₦airaland Forum

gidgiddy:
There are no founding fathers in Nigeria. The British founded and created Nigeria. I also do not know any time the Igbo nation was in support of of a united Nigeria, Zik is just one man. In anu union, if one party feels that they are not hapoy with the union, they can walk out.

Even if all Igbos were to return home, it is not what will bring Biafra.

Catalans and Scottish people did not have to return home to get referendum.

Igbos should be given referendum

raumdeuter:
The founding fathers of Nigeria were those who negotiated independence for us. Azikwe Awolow Bello etc. Ibos were in support of a united Nigeria anytime they were in power e.g Under Azikwe and Ironsi and lately under Jonathan. There is a video wher Nnamdi Kanu was warning people about causing violence and breaking up Nigeria. That was just 4yrs ago

WHy dont you return home first?

Is it Spanish govt who organised referendum. You too do likewise, Go back home and organise referendum for yourself or is it Lagos Kano Minna and Port Harcourt you want to have referendum?

gidgiddy:
All this historical narrative is no longer important. What important is this.

Scotland has been part of the UK for over 300 years, they got referendum in 2014

Catalonia has been part of Spain for over 500 years, they had referendum 10 days ago

Igbos have been part of Nigeria since 1914 when it was created, there is no reason why Nigeria cannot grant them a referendum.

ojlifa:
And indeed you are right.the only problem is when those countries went after indepence they didnt do it by killing people,they didnt do it by coup,they didnt do it by insulting people nor did they do it by war.if the igbo want to leave there leaders know how to go about it but they wouldnt because they know what they stand to loss.I challage you hear and now to write the deputy senate president he is an igbo man,demand that he sponsor a bill for referendum on the floor of the senate.then come back and tell me what he told you.You do not need to fight it is very easy ask your igbo legislators to do there work and stop blaming others for the greed of your leaders

gidgiddy:
This is not about what a few Igbo elite want, this is about the majority want. Nobody is going to write to the deputy Senate President or elect legislators to move a motion on referendum, it is waste of time. A motion on referendum raised in the national assembly will never be passed as Igbo as other zones are definitely not going to vote for it and Igbos do not have enough legislators to get a majority against the other 4 or 5 zones.

The only way to get a referendum is agitation and demonstration until Nigeria, its government and national assembly collectively decide it is time to give Igbos a referendum.

Anybody moving motion on referendum in the national assembly is wasting time, just the North have enough legislators to throw such bill out.

ojlifa:
Stop looking for who to blame,let your leader do there job and if you know your leaders wouldnt do there job,then common sense should tell you that your problem is your leaders not other tribes.the deputy senate president has to present the bill first before anything if you havent presented a bill then you are dishonest about wanting to leave secondly,each of the eastern state houses can debate the bill on its floor just like was done in spain.pass the bill in the state house then forward it to the federal for rectification but again am quite sure that wouldnt be done because they do not want to leave rather it is greed that is the mission,since 1960 power at all cost so we can share money.

gidgiddy:
Nice. Remind us of where Lugard moved the bill on the creation of Nigeria and where it was debated passed?

If Nigeria was not legally created, then no one should ask for it to legally dissolved.

So please tell us the national assembly where Lugard moved the motion to include Igbo land into Nigeria?

emmydadave:
1. The first coupist claimed they carried out the coup as patriot of the country to clear Nigeria of currupt officers, althought there is no proof that tafawa balewa and others are corrupt, and i cant say Kaduna Nzeogu is a tribalist cus he practically grew up in the north, and i learnt that an alhaji in the North gave him recommendation b4 he was accepted in to the army. Now with these, can we not say that Kaduna was a patriot, though am not supporting the killings, but do we not think that the logic behind the killing of saudana and ahmodu bello is that those men are the most powerful in the country and without them going down, the coup and the reason behind carrying out the coup will be for nothing? Sometimes in order to achieve a result, the hard decision had to be mad and with proof of the current rate of curruption that as gone deep into the blood of an average Nigerian, what if this is what Nzeogu was trying to stop?

emmydadave:
2.After the 2nd coup that had Gowon into power, there ws the popular word "wetty" whch means to soak in fuel and burn, and this excercise had southeasten propertise in the northern part of Nigeria worth millions of Naira go up in flames, and not just propertise but lives were lost. Now while these excersice was going on, gowon had the power to quench this thirst for revenge on innocent southeasten civilians but history did not mention that he took any action. Calling for a state of emergency, in the affected part ws a necessity but it was not done, protecting those innocent civilians was his duty to Nigeria but he didnt do it. He allowed the life of hundreds of thousands to be wasted. what if he had taken an action, what if he had done something the curb the darkness that ws about overtaking the country then, don't u think the civil war might have been averted?

emmydadave:
3. Southeasterners sensing that they were no longer safe in the North had to find a way their way back to southeast, a place they are sure of being safe, a place they know they will be protected for babarism that ws going on in other region of nigeria ( southwest and north against south east). Now back home, southeasterners felt like the one Nigeria that zik worked for can not favour them amidst the hate that other regions have for them due to the first coup beckoned Late Dim chukwuemeka Ojukwu the then governor general of the then southeast that since the federal govt can not protect them anymore, that they should form a seperate government for them, and that they wanna hv a government of their own. These was created tension in the country that led to the meeting at Aburi popularly known as aburi accord. And in the meeting, some conclusion and agreement was agreed upon after some days meeting. Back at home, ojukwu sensed that Gowon was not ready to act on the agreement they had at aburi, and sensing that the war can not be averted, he went further to announce the creation of Biafra state whch led to the breakout of the civil war in Nigeria. Now, those agreement that ws to be implemented, had gowon impemented it would there hav been war in the country? Was ojukwu too hasty in declaring the Republic of Biafra? Or was their selfish Ego the centre point of the war that cost the life of millions of Nigerians.

emmydadave:
4. Until recently i hav not learnt of power being no where than with the presidents. But now i know that they are some powerful Nigerians lurking in the dark that no one knows of. Now these powerful Nigerians they could hv been the ones to offset the balance in order to create another balance that will suit them more, and maybe the pepetrators of the coup are just puppets in their hands, maybe Gowon or ojukwu is not to be blamed.

gidgiddy:
This is not about what a few Igbo elite want, this is about the majority want. Nobody is going to write to the deputy Senate President or elect legislators to move a motion on referendum, it is waste of time. A motion on referendum raised in the national assembly will never be passed as Igbo as other zones are definitely not going to vote for it and Igbos do not have enough legislators to get a majority against the other 4 or 5 zones.

The only way to get a referendum is agitation and demonstration until Nigeria, its government and national assembly collectively decide it is time to give Igbos a referendum.

Anybody moving motion on referendum in the national assembly is wasting time, just the North have enough legislators to throw such bill out.

gidgiddy:
Almost every country in West Africa went through military coups in the 60' and 70's, however, almost none of them went through a civil war because of coup.

The war was not as a result of Nzeogwu's coup, at least not directly.

The North assumed that Nzeogwu's coup was a plot by the Igbos to take over Nigeria and staged a counter coup 6 months later. But the aim of the Nothern coup was for revenge against Igbo and to secede from Nigeria. They had already arranged Aircrafts to fly the military officers and their family to Kaduna where they would declare the North a separate country.

What changed their minds was when the North were told by the British that they would not be viable without the South especially with the huge deposits of Oil and gas in what was then Eastern Nigeria.

That is when they changed tune from "Araba" (separate) to "One Nigeria"

The direct cause of the war was the North not willing to comply with the Aburi agreement.

To make matters worse, Gowon acted the Northern script by dissolving the 4 Regions and creating 12 states and this forced Ojukwu to declare Biafra.

The North was not about to let that Oil money go and they went to war for it, supported by Britain and Russia.

Oil is the bases of Nigerias unity, it is the only reason a Northerner will say "one Nigeria"

Had this Oil been domiciled in the North, there would have never have been any war and there would be no Nigeria today

ojlifa:
I do not have time to do all the research all over again but you can read some on this site.also go to the.nigerian national achieve,equally check nigerian army achieve.it was almost three years work plus account of officers who served in the army at the time and took part in events.


https://www.google.gy/amp/s/maxsiollun./2009/04/17/igbo-soldiers-plotted-coup-from-independence-day-ejoor/amp/

emmydadave:
Good day everyone its emmydadave on the beat or rather its emmydadave behind the keyboard(winks)...

Well, our topic of discussion is the Nigeria civil war, locally known as the Biafran war. Reading history, i learnt that after the indepence in 1960, barely 6yrs later preciely in 1966, the first military coup took place whch ws spearheaded by kaduna Nzeogu as the leader of the coup. The coupist had the then saudana tafawa balewa and ahmodu bello killed, and many top officials and in their announcement on the radia it ws claimed that the coup was carried out to eradicate corruption that was trying to infest the nation. The coup ws squashed by general Aguiyi ironsi an igbo man from south east., and the pepetrators of the coup were jailed. In a time not upto a year, another coup brokeout again in the country whch had general aguiyi ironsi killed and power was handed over to major general Yakubu Gowon a northerner. And it seems like with a Northerner in power the rest of the north were not satisfied with what has happened and most of them were clamouring for revenge on the south easterners for the death of their saudana.

Now our argument is gonna be based on these following points.
1. The first coupist claimed they carried out the coup as patriot of the country to clear Nigeria of currupt officers, althought there is no proof that tafawa balewa and others are corrupt, and i cant say Kaduna Nzeogu is a tribalist cus he practically grew up in the north, and i learnt that an alhaji in the North gave him recommendation b4 he was accepted in to the army. Now with these, can we not say that Kaduna was a patriot, though am not supporting the killings, but do we not think that the logic behind the killing of saudana and ahmodu bello is that those men are the most powerful in the country and without them going down, the coup and the reason behind carrying out the coup will be for nothing? Sometimes in order to achieve a result, the hard decision had to be mad and with proof of the current rate of curruption that as gone deep into the blood of an average Nigerian, what if this is what Nzeogu was trying to stop?

2.After the 2nd coup that had Gowon into power, there ws the popular word "wetty" whch means to soak in fuel and burn, and this excercise had southeasten propertise in the northern part of Nigeria worth millions of Naira go up in flames, and not just propertise but lives were lost. Now while these excersice was going on, gowon had the power to quench this thirst for revenge on innocent southeasten civilians but history did not mention that he took any action. Calling for a state of emergency, in the affected part ws a necessity but it was not done, protecting those innocent civilians was his duty to Nigeria but he didnt do it. He allowed the life of hundreds of thousands to be wasted. what if he had taken an action, what if he had done something the curb the darkness that ws about overtaking the country then, don't u think the civil war might have been averted?


3. Southeasterners sensing that they were no longer safe in the North had to find a way their way back to southeast, a place they are sure of being safe, a place they know they will be protected for babarism that ws going on in other region of nigeria ( southwest and north against south east). Now back home, southeasterners felt like the one Nigeria that zik worked for can not favour them amidst the hate that other regions have for them due to the first coup beckoned Late Dim chukwuemeka Ojukwu the then governor general of the then southeast that since the federal govt can not protect them anymore, that they should form a seperate government for them, and that they wanna hv a government of their own. These was created tension in the country that led to the meeting at Aburi popularly known as aburi accord. And in the meeting, some conclusion and agreement was agreed upon after some days meeting. Back at home, ojukwu sensed that Gowon was not ready to act on the agreement they had at aburi, and sensing that the war can not be averted, he went further to announce the creation of Biafra state whch led to the breakout of the civil war in Nigeria. Now, those agreement that ws to be implemented, had gowon impemented it would there hav been war in the country? Was ojukwu too hasty in declaring the Republic of Biafra? Or was their selfish Ego the centre point of the war that cost the life of millions of Nigerians.


4. Until recently i hav not learnt of power being no where than with the presidents. But now i know that they are some powerful Nigerians lurking in the dark that no one knows of. Now these powerful Nigerians they could hv been the ones to offset the balance in order to create another balance that will suit them more, and maybe the pepetrators of the coup are just puppets in their hands, maybe Gowon or ojukwu is not to be blamed.



So lets discuss.


Ps... Forgive my loopholed history on the civil war. Its not my fault, no one taught me in skul. And also forgive my errors if there is any.

emmydadave:
His story has many loopholes bro. He wanted going out so that the biafran soldiers will kill him then save his family his subordinate but someone held on to him so he won't leave and he was their from morning till evening but was never found? is he a needle in a hay sack? I dnt believe this. This is propaganda of the highest other worst of all from a suppose respectable man

ojlifa:
Hahahahh.bro you have a problem,you are not ok with the account of those who were actors in the event but you are ok with nnamdi kanus account ,somebody who was born more than ten years after the event.listen to yourself.

Bear In mind major general ejoor is not from the north,he is from the south south.so you wouldnt say it is northern propaganda,also bear he mind he refuse to play any part on poltics till date .so he is not a politicain .nnamdi azikiwa himself had he famous saying which would tell you all you need to know in 1961 he said igbo people are a superior race hence they should be the one to lead nigerian not a northern .that was a public statement not private.so anyhow you want to twist is igbo people have always and would always suffer from there too much sence,there leaders play them for fools while pointing the fingers at others,once they do not get what they want,the go back to there people and instigate them.one would think by now the igbo would have become wise an attack there leaders once they want to start there game but it appears that isnt the case

ojlifa:
You just gave the propaganda version. let me help you better.the igbo thought they were wise.in 1956 they attempt to push for indepence with the sole purpose of getting power to the south,the north got wind of it and then decided they were not coming on board,northern leaders were stoned by southerners after that meeting,the northern leaders immediately made this plan known to the british. after alot of horse trading it was agreed that the political system Nigeria would use would give power to all regions based on this agreement all regions agreed to push on for independence.the presidency was then handed over to Nnamdi an igbo man,while prime minister was the saudwna ,each region was given its primer but based on that system saduna was like the NNPC GMD while nnamdi was like the minister of state for petroleum.although he was his boss he had no power all the powers was with the saudana so,he and his igbo brothers began to plot how the igbo would take over power,it must be noted that this plan was backed by ojukwu senior.they new they couldnt win in an election due to the larger population in the north so they decided that the most senior officer in the military was an igbo man and thus if a coup was to occur he would take over power.the rumors of an igbo coup began in 1964 but the saduna refuse to believe it.if he had the coup would never had taken place,in 1965 he was warned again and this time he decided that he was going to retire irosi so the issue of coup could be put to rest.shortly when word began to spread of the prime minister decision the coup took place,killing all northern leaders and southern leaders who where loyal to the saduna,the igbo of cause who planned the coup ask nnamdi to leave the country during that period even though they told all the soilders it was design to clear corruption.the yoruba been wise people after hearing nnamdi had left the country,immedately ran to awolowo and ask him to leave the country or he would be killed.kaduna was enlisted by the sudana himself and that was why he could get close enough to kill him,although it is believed that kaduna did not know he was a puppet in a well planned game.as for the lies been told that irosi countered the coup that is a lie.they were sworn testimony that irosi new about the coup before it happened,just recently major general david ejor just came out to confirm that indeed irosi was the brain behind the coup.the issue of the civil war was about greed.1million people lost there life due to the greed of some men inculding ojukwu senior .so do better research and learn the truth not the propaganda sold to the ignorant

Dedetwo:
I guess you were the person who did not only give the propaganda version but spread a falsehood. During the 1950 conference in Ibadan, the east sought confederation but some characters rejected it and even threaten secession. The first call for independence in 1953 came from a member of the AG representing western region(west) not eastern (east) as you would want us to believe.

emmydadave:
Lolsss i read books too. And ave never even listened to Nnamdi kanu speak. Although i am a Biafran still i dnt follow up in all he says. My knowledge of the civil war is all i grabed in books. Am a good critic and so i know when someone is lieing and when they are saying the truth.