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hisgrace090:
If moses could not uphold the Abraham's pattern but rather instructed them to give to levit, why not stick to that?

After all a command is a command and paying of tithe a law.

felixomor:
Some weeks back, OAP Freeze was on Linda Ikeji Tv for an interview on Tithes.
As a matter of fact, Levi (a son of Israel) was not even yet born, when the culture of Tithes started.
Moses wasnt even existing yet.

So Freeze was wrong when he said only Levites collected tithes in the bible.

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I pray the Lord continues to Help us understand His Word.
Amen.

Rainmaker69:
My brother, I think you didn't understand the point you intend to respond to. I think you took his statement out of context. The Levites-Tithe connection was made as per the commandment under the law which is the background for Malachi 3.

Spylord48:
Every time tithe tithe tithe. habaaaaa. Why are Nigerians churches so interested in tithing?
Every Sunday, there must be a discussion concerning tithing here.Do citizens of South Korea,Dubai, Qatar,China,Japan etc pay tithes? Yet these countries are 201% more developed,discipline, caring, loving that we Nigerians to sleep in churches daily and pay to the. Tithing isn't by force abeg .I Will blame our pastors so much because they have abused this tithe of a thing so much that why people are having doubts and arguing about this issue of tithes.

superhumanist:
Tithe again? The way these tithe peddlers lie for tithes is quite annoying.

OP, Abram did not tithe. Abram gave a tenth of the spoils of war to Melchizedek.

Other bible versions (Living bible, international standard version) state that it was a tenth of the loot/everything.

It is only King James version that uses "tithe". That tithe was not a typical tithe offering but a tribute of spoils of war.



Tithe hustlers will not kill me.

superhumanist:
Tithe again? The way these tithe peddlers lie for tithes is quite annoying.

OP, Abram did not tithe. Abram gave a tenth of the spoils of war to Melchizedek.

Other bible versions (Living bible, international standard version) state that it was a tenth of the loot/everything.

It is only King James version that uses "tithe". That tithe was not a typical tithe offering but a tribute of spoils of war.



Tithe hustlers will not kill me.

felixomor:
Tithe simply means tenth
There is nothing special about the word

Goshen360:
We know these tithe peddlers like the OP and have dealt with such people over the years. I just have little strength for argument like his.

SPOILS OF WAR DOESN'T QUALIFY AS TITHES under the law so we know it's not tithe but tenth. However we or some or most use the word interchangeably.

felixomor:
Just think a little
We know u dont know bible
Let me just inform you again.
Abraham was not under the law.

Goshen360:
I know that dummy so that why I kept telling you or the audience....HOW DOES ABRAHAM TITHE TRANSLATE INTO A MONTHLY LAW THAT CHRISTIANS DO EVERY MONTH. Why is that hard for you to understand?

felixomor:
What is hard for you to understand that Abraham wasnt like people of today, who had monthly flow of income?
By the way, help lecture the other fellow about Abraham not being under the law.
You seem to be comfortable with their ignorance.

Goshen360:
And so also YOUR MONTHLY INCOME DOESN'T QUALIFY AS TITHES because it's what your worked for BUT tithable items under the law or before the law, are what God made you to increase in or whatever God produce for you so you can't boast your hands or energy produced it.

Money or monthly income DOES NOT quality as tithe items. Because money exist in those days but God never asked them to tithe money.

Why is this so hard for you to understand?

felixomor:
Oh so, its not God that made our salaries possible?
Its by our power alone abi?
Wow

Stop forcing yourself on these things bro.

Goshen360:
Study your bible and stop adding sentiments. Romans 4 verse 4 is your answer.

Goshen360:
We know these tithe peddlers like the OP and have dealt with such people over the years. I just have little strength for argument like his.

SPOILS OF WAR DOESN'T QUALIFY AS TITHES under the law so we know it's not tithe but tenth. However we or some or most use the word interchangeably.

superhumanist:
Very true talk. Don't mind these tithe hustlers. They tell any lie to hustle for tithes

felixomor:
I didnt add sentiments
You are the one who said salary is your effort and its not God's increase.

It doesnt take long for those who dont believe in God to manifest themselves

Goshen360:
I have given you scriptures....dispute it! Romans 4vs4

sonofthunder:
on a serious note, are you really saying that the salary is your effort?

felixomor:
I didnt add sentiments
You are the one who said salary is your effort and its not God's increase.

It doesnt take long for those who dont believe in God to manifest themselves

Goshen360:
Isn't it a reward for my time and efforts I put in?

sonofthunder:
so the people in bible days who paid tithes didn't put in time and efforts abi? the things they tithed fell from the sky.

luckyCO:
Sorry let me ask small question need clarification;
If a salary man receive salary will he pay 10% out of the net or gross?
We know salary earner enter transport to goto work while others spend some sort of money to be able work and be paid monthly salary.
1)
Now business men at same hand trade will he paid tithe from the net or gross?

2) Are law of tithe different from from salary earner to traders?
My sincere question.

Goshen360:
I have given you scriptures....dispute it! Romans 4vs4

felixomor:
Even satan gives scriptures. No big deal.
I already showed where tithes started before law.
Nothing more

Topgainer:
You have not tackled the questions raised in the other threads, you ran here to cry about Freeze exposing your kind. I am sure you told your followers and church members today that Tithe is a Law and a command using Malachi as reference.
Another question, the Tithe that started before the Law was it the same with 10% of peoples' wages and salary submitted regularly to a Gentile Papa Bishop?

felixomor:
Tithe is a word which means tenth or ten percent
Simple.
Tithe is tithe

plainbibletruth:
Tithe was of things from the land – agricultural produce.

Tithes were for the LEVITES ONLY.

Money – cash – EXISTED at the time when God instituted tithing for Israel YET God DID NOT require it as tithe.

Tithes were to be EXCHANGED for MONEY (Deuteronomy 14:24) and RECONVERTED to “titheable” items to present as tithes.

Tithe may mean TENTH, but tenth of what did God institute as HIS tithe? Tenth of ANYTHING or tenth of SPECIFIC things?

Does man have a right to ALTER what God has specified?

Did the Apostles give us less than the whole counsel of God about giving by not EVER mentioning and EMPHASIZING it either to their Jewish or Gentile congregations?

What EXACTLY does the NEW COVENANT mean; a combination or POTPOURRI of the law, “eternal principles”, etc or SPECIFIC DOCTRINES delivered to the CHURCH by the foundation leaders of the church – Apostles?

JUST THINK ON THESE!
I SAID THINK, NOT REPLY ME QUICKLY. SO YOU NEED NOT REPLY ME.

TO TITHE OR NOT TO TITHE: WHAT THE BIBLE TEACHES.

Tithe: A tenth of the produce of the earth consecrated and set apart for special purposes.

MALACHI 3:10 (New International Version):
"Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this," says the LORD Almighty, "and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that there will not be room enough to store it".

Many Christians struggle with the issue of tithing.
In some churches tithing is over-emphasized at the expense of giving to the needy.
Tithing is an Old Testament concept. The tithe was a requirement of the Law in which the Israelites were to give 10 percent of the crops they grew and the livestock they raised to the tabernacle/temple
- see Leviticus 27:30; Numbers 18:26; Deuteronomy 14:24; 2 Chronicles 31:5.
In fact, the Old Testament Law required multiple tithes—one for the Levites, one for the use of the temple and the feasts, and one for the poor of the land—which would have pushed the total to around 23.3 percent.
Some understand the Old Testament tithe as a method of taxation to provide for the needs of the priests and Levites in the sacrificial system.


NOTE: Tithes were awarded to the Levites for their priestly service because they would not receive land in Canaan see: Num 18:19-21.
They, too, gave a tenth of what they received (v. 26).

Donation of a tenth portion, or tithe, was common apparently because most peoples counted in tens, based on ten fingers.

Tithing first appeared in the Bible when Abraham gave one-tenth of the spoils of war to Melchizedek, the priest-king of Salem see: Gen 14:18-20.
The writer of Hebrews presumed that tithes were paid to a higher authority and inferred that there was a greater priesthood than Aaron's see: Hebrews 7:4 Hebrews 7:9.

GENESIS 14:8-12:
The kings of Sodom and Gomorrah (Plus their allies) fought a battle against king Chedorlaomer king of Elam (plus his allies). Chedorlaomer king of Elam and his allies won the battle and took all the food supply and other goods from Sodom. They also took Lot, Abram's nephew, and his possessions and departed, for he (Lot) was living in Sodom.


GENESIS 14:9-17:
The incident was reported to Abram and he took 318 of his trained servants and defeated Chedorlaomer king of Elam. Abram brought back all the goods, and also brought back his relative, Lot, with his possessions, and also the women, and the people.


GENESIS 14:18-20:
After his return from the defeat of Chedorlaomer, Abram was met by Melchizedek king of Salem and a Canaanite priest of God Most High, refreshing them with bread and wine and he blessed Abram. The blessing was given to Abram, a very important fact to remember. In response, Abram gave one-tenth (10%) of all the goods of Sodom that were stolen by Chedorlaomer to Melchizedek. Abram DID NOT tithe from his own possessions, an essential fact to refute tithing practices in the new covenant.


GENESIS 14:21-24:
The king of Sodom offered to give Abram all the goods of Sodom that were recovered for himself, but Abram refused, taking not one single item, to give honor to Yahweh, lest people say this pagan king of Sodom made him rich. This is a very important point, because Abram took NO INCOME and the tithe he gave to Melchizedek did not come from his goods, but those of the Sodomites and 1/10 of Lot’s recovered goods.


CONCLUSION:
If Abram’s aforementioned encounter is used by clergy men to justify the practice of tithing from one’s gross income, then they are justifying Christians paying 10% of goods and money they do not own!
Even worse, paying tithes this way means they have to find someone who has been robbed and recover the stolen goods.
For example, if jewelry was stolen in a burglary, the tithing Christian must first return the stolen goods to the rightful owner, who must not be a Christian, (in keeping true to the symbolism of Abram and Melchizedek) and then use 10% of the recovered goods as a tithe to the church.
This is an outlandishly absurd example and it ought to be ample proof for rejecting this false doctrine of church tithing.

The modern practice of church tithing is not supported by the teachings of scripture.
Church tithing began in the late nineteenth century when a Wesleyan Church in Cincinnati hosted multiple fund-raising events to erase its enormous debt.Fledgling on the brink of bankruptcy and devoid of options, a layman came up with the idea of, “storehouse tithing.”
It was an instant success and soon the news spread like wildfire throughout Christendom and the practice of storehouse tithing caught on.
At the time, it seemed the answer to the debts and financial woes of churches whose church members gave indiscriminately.

Today storehouse tithing is a deep-rooted tradition that is promoted on a regular basis by clergy men that misuse the context of Malachi 3:8-11.
Pastors insist that every church member is obliged (as a matter of righteousness) to pay 10% of his or her gross income.
In addition to the tithe that church members give, most churches teach that a, “freewill offering,” over and above the 10% tithe should be given to again to the church or any charitable cause, with the stipulation that his or her “local church” is always to receive the “tithe.”

The New Testament nowhere commands, or even recommends, that Christians submit to a legalistic tithe system. The New Testament nowhere designates a percentage of income a person should set aside, but only says gifts should be “in keeping with income” -see 1 Corinthians 16:2. Some in the Christian church have taken the 10 percent figure from the Old Testament tithe and applied it as a “recommended minimum” for Christians in their giving.

The New Testament talks about the importance and benefits of giving.
We are to give as we are able. Sometimes that means giving more than 10 percent; sometimes that may mean giving less. It all depends on the ability of the Christian and the needs of the church. Every Christian should diligently pray and seek God’s wisdom in the matter of participating in tithing and/or how much to give -see James 1:5. Above all, all tithes and offerings should be given with pure motives and an attitude of worship to God and service to the body of Christ.
“Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver”- see 2 Corinthians 9:7.

Nowhere does the New Testament require Christians to tithe in the sense of giving 10 percent, but it does reiterate many things associated with tithing:
those who minister are entitled to receive support - see 1 Cor 9:14;
the poor and needy should be cared for- see 1 Cor 16:1; Gal 2:10;
those who give can trust God, as the source of all that is given- see 2 Cor 9:10,
to supply their needs -see 2 Cor 9:8; Php 4:19;
and giving should be done joyously- see 2 Cor 9:7.

Paul's vocabulary and teaching suggest that giving is voluntary and that there is no set percentage. Following the example of Christ, who gave even his life ( 2 Cor 8:9), we should cheerfully give as much as we have decided ( 2 Cor 9:7) based on how much the Lord has prospered us ( 1 Cor 16:2), knowing that we reap in proportion to what we sow ( 2 Cor 9:6) and that we will ultimately give account for our deeds ( Rom 14:12).

The New Testament directs that taxes be paid to the state- see Rom 13:6-7, which replaced Israel's theocracy.
In the days of Abraham and his contemporaries, there was no tax system. Society was largely theocratic. Tithes therefore, were next to modern day taxes. Jesus is seen in Matthew 17:24-27 asking Peter to pay their taxes.
Matthew 17:24:
When Jesus and the others arrived in Capernaum, the collectors for the temple tax came to Peter and asked, “Does your teacher pay the temple tax?”

25 “Yes, he does,” Peter answered.
After they had returned home, Jesus went up to Peter and asked him, “Simon, what do you think? Do the kings of this earth collect taxes and fees from their own people or from foreigners?”

26 Peter answered, “From foreigners.”
Jesus replied, “Then their own people don’t have to pay.
27 But we don’t want to cause trouble. So go cast a line into the lake and pull out the first fish you hook. Open its mouth, and you will find a coin. Use it to, pay your taxes and mine.”
Nowhere did we find Jesus speaking about tithe. This is because the essence of tithing, which is anchored in the law, is giving from one's abundance. Jesus came to fulfill the law. He therefore gave, not from His abundance, but His all - His life.
Christians today are called to look beyond ordinary tithing, submitting their lifes to God!
That is the perfect tithe.

WHY DON'T WE READ ABOUT THE TITHE IN THE NEW TESTAMENT?

Jesus actually called his followers to a standard of giving that went far beyond the tithe. He called us to give up everything and follow Him. The early Christians were able to do this. However, as the Church expanded throughout the world, its followers needed to be reminded that generous giving is a hallmark of the Judeo-Christian tradition. The Church Council of Macon in 585 A.D. ordered payment of tithes. In the 8th century, Charlemagne made tithing to the Church a civil law. The Council of Trent (1545-1563) also reiterated the call to tithe.

“Tell the rich in the present age not to be proud and not to rely on so uncertain a thing as wealth but rather on God, who richly provides us with all things for our enjoyment. Tell them to do good, to be rich in good works, to be generous, ready to share, thus accumulating as treasure a good foundation for the future, so as to win the life that is true life.” -1 Timothy 6:17-19
A New Testament teaching on giving which may be helpful to you is found in 1 Corinthians 16:2:
“On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with his income.” This passage brings out four points: we should give individually, regularly, methodically, and proportionately.
The matter of your giving is between you and God, and He always takes into account our circumstances. He knows when they are beyond our power to direct and control. The important thing is that we see giving (not just to the church, nay a pastor) as a privilege and not a burden. It should not be out of a sense of duty, rather out of love for the Lord and a desire to see His kingdom advanced.

- O.S. EMEJULU Esq.