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umarshek6:
can u answer dis in one or two sentence den we r done here

CRUCIFIXION OR CRUCI-FICTION: None of Jesus disciples witnessed his death..they all forsook him and fled (MARK 14:50)...

So, I see you are a disciple of Ahmed Deedat.
Jesus fainted on the cross...continue your lies
None of His disciples were present ?
John 19:25
Near the cross of Jesus stood his mother, his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene.

John16:26
When Jesus saw his mother there, and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to her, "Woman, here is your son,"

Can you see that you lie too much?
Jesus mother couldn't recognise that it was a fake Jesus on the cross? Allah must have deceived her too!

umarshek6:
JESUS came to preach oneness of God not TRINITY or die for sins (MARK 1:38. AND JOHN 17:4).....The question is: If none of the disciples witnessed his death... How did they know about the full story??.... Moreover JESUS was unwilling to die ..(Check John10:39..Luke 22:36..Luke 4:43..Matthew 26:22 ..Matt 26: 36-39and so on)...Also After JESUS found out he was going to be killed, the bible says he dint walk among the jews anymore.

Jesus came to preach the GoodNews!
That God so loved us and has paid the price for your redemption.

John3:14-15
And as Moses lifted up the bronze snake on a pole in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up,that everyone who believes in Him may have eternal life.

Since Jesus didn't want to die, please read

Matthew 16:21-23
Jesus Predicts His Death
From that time on Jesus began to explain to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.

Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him. “Never, Lord!” he said. “This shall never happen to you!”
Jesus turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns.

Luke22:42
saying, “Father, if you are willing, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, not my will, but yours, be done.”

umarshek6:
Then he told his disciples to buy swords for fighting to save his life (LUKE 22:38) THE QUESTION IS IF HE KNEW HE WAS GOING TO DIE FOR HUMANS SINS...WHY DIDNT HE LET HIMSELF BE CAPTURED.??..WHY DID HE ORDER HIS DISCIPLES TO BUY SWORDS ?

How many days will u b needing to. Present d answers?

Jesus had many disciples and 12 Apostles. Now, since e Jesus wanted them to fight for Him, He requested for 2 million swords.

Luke 22:33-38

34 Jesus answered, “I tell you, Peter, before the rooster crows today, you will deny three times that you know me.” 35 Then Jesus asked them, “When I sent you without purse, bag or sandals, did you lack anything?”“Nothing,” they answered. 36
He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. 37 It is written: ‘And he was numbered with the transgressors’; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment.” 38 The disciples said, “See, Lord, here are two swords.” “That’s enough!” he replied.

Yes indeed. Two swords to be shared by 11 disciples.

[

b]John 18:10-13 [/b]
Then Simon Peter, who had a sword, drew it and struck the high priest’s servant, cutting off his right ear. (The servant’s name was Malchus.)
Jesus commanded Peter, “Put your sword away! Shall I not drink the cup the Father has given me?”
Then the detachment of soldiers with its commander and the Jewish officials arrested Jesus. They bound him and brought him first to Annas, who was the father-in-law of Caiaphas, the high priest that year.

For someone who planned to have His disciples defend Him with two swords!

I marvel at your deliberate ignorance!

Please answer my own questions too!

umarshek6:
can u answer dis in one or two sentence den we r done here

CRUCIFIXION OR CRUCI-FICTION: None of Jesus disciples witnessed his death..they all forsook him and fled (MARK 14:50)...

So, I see you are a disciple of Ahmed Deedat.
Jesus fainted on the cross...continue your lies
None of His disciples were present ?
John 19:25
Near the cross of Jesus stood his mother, his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene.

John16:26
When Jesus saw his mother there, and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to her, "Woman, here is your son,"

Can you see that you lie too much?
Jesus mother couldn't recognise that it was a fake Jesus on the cross? Allah must have deceived her too!

umarshek6:
JESUS came to preach oneness of God not TRINITY or die for sins (MARK 1:38. AND JOHN 17:4).....The question is: If none of the disciples witnessed his death... How did they know about the full story??.... Moreover JESUS was unwilling to die ..(Check John10:39..Luke 22:36..Luke 4:43..Matthew 26:22 ..Matt 26: 36-39and so on)...Also After JESUS found out he was going to be killed, the bible says he dint walk among the jews anymore.

Jesus came to preach the GoodNews!
That God so loved us and has paid the price for your redemption.

John3:14-15
And as Moses lifted up the bronze snake on a pole in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up,that everyone who believes in Him may have eternal life.

Since Jesus didn't want to die, please read

Matthew 16:21-23
Jesus Predicts His Death
From that time on Jesus began to explain to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.

Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him. “Never, Lord!” he said. “This shall never happen to you!”
Jesus turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns.

Luke22:42
saying, “Father, if you are willing, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, not my will, but yours, be done.”

umarshek6:
Then he told his disciples to buy swords for fighting to save his life (LUKE 22:38) THE QUESTION IS IF HE KNEW HE WAS GOING TO DIE FOR HUMANS SINS...WHY DIDNT HE LET HIMSELF BE CAPTURED.??..WHY DID HE ORDER HIS DISCIPLES TO BUY SWORDS ?

How many days will u b needing to. Present d answers?

Jesus had many disciples and 12 Apostles. Now, since e Jesus wanted them to fight for Him, He requested for 2 million swords.

Luke 22:33-38

34 Jesus answered, “I tell you, Peter, before the rooster crows today, you will deny three times that you know me.” 35 Then Jesus asked them, “When I sent you without purse, bag or sandals, did you lack anything?”“Nothing,” they answered. 36
He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. 37 It is written: ‘And he was numbered with the transgressors’; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment.” 38 The disciples said, “See, Lord, here are two swords.” “That’s enough!” he replied.

Yes indeed. Two swords to be shared by 11 disciples.

[

b]John 18:10-13 [/b]
Then Simon Peter, who had a sword, drew it and struck the high priest’s servant, cutting off his right ear. (The servant’s name was Malchus.)
Jesus commanded Peter, “Put your sword away! Shall I not drink the cup the Father has given me?”
Then the detachment of soldiers with its commander and the Jewish officials arrested Jesus. They bound him and brought him first to Annas, who was the father-in-law of Caiaphas, the high priest that year.

For someone who planned to have His disciples defend Him with two swords!

I marvel at your deliberate ignorance!

Please answer my own questions too!
Boo

Since your deliberate misinformation has been exposed, its only fair if you answer my own questions which you have repeatedly ignored.
Since you are not seeing the questions for the first time, you must have had a long time to prepare.

umarshek6:
can u answer dis in one or two sentence den we r done here

How many days will u b needing to. Present d answers?

Questions for you please.
1. Would you say Allah deceived the Jews and the Romans? If Yes, why do you think Allah also deceived Mary, the Disciples and all Christians?
2. Historically, someone was crucified as Jesus Christ. The Bible says that the Person was Jesus but Islam says it was someone else. Can you please tell us the identity of the person?
3. This person on the cross spoke to Mary (His Mother) and John (His Disciple). He actually called Mary "Mother" and handed Mary over to John. If it wasn't Jesus, who was he?
4. The disciples of Jesus saw Jesus after the resurrection and because of that, they were not Afraid any more. Who did they see after resurrection (or did Allah complete their deception by showing them another Jesus?
5. The disciples numbering up to 500 saw Jesus being taken up to heaven in their presence. Islam agree he was taken to heaven but can you please tell us one witness of this assertion?
6. All the disciples except John died violent deaths (eg. Peter was crucified up side down). Why do you think the disciples were willing to die gruesome deaths over what doesn't exist.
7. And Jesus didn't tell any of His disciples that someone else who looked like Him would be crucified in His stead: Why?
8. Why would the disciples lie about Jesus crucification? What do they stand to gain (forget about the drawings you see, a person is crucified stark Unclad in the public square)
9. Jesus told his disciples about his death and resurrection well before hand. Why would someone now replace Him and He didn't even tell any of His disciples.
10. A better story for Christians should have been: "Shame on You Jews and Romans. You wanted to kill Jesus, but God took Him away...you crucified a dummy". Why didn't Christians go through that escape route.
11. Why did it take almost 600 years after the event that Allah now have to correct an error he himself produced and proper gated?
12. Could it be that Mary and John were part of the conspiracy with Allah? Did they come to the cross to witness " the salvation of allah"?
13. What was the sin of the man who replaced Jesus on the cross? Or was he an innocent bystander?
14. For one to up-turn an earlier history, don't you think that your evidence should be overwhelming? In this case, which of the two evidences are overwhelming?

shadeyinka:
Since your deliberate misinformation has been exposed, its only fair if you answer my own questions which you have repeatedly ignored.
Since you are not seeing the questions for the first time, you must have had a long time to prepare.


Questions for you please.
1. Would you say Allah deceived the Jews and the Romans? If Yes, why do you think Allah also deceived Mary, the Disciples and all Christians?

I don't knw y. I'm not God

2. Historically, someone was crucified as Jesus Christ. The Bible says that the Person was Jesus but Islam says it was someone else. Can you please tell us the identity of the person?

I'm not sure but I think it shuld b judas iscariot u can Google it

3. This person on the cross spoke to Mary (His Mother) and John (His Disciple). He actually called Mary "Mother" and handed Mary over to John. If it wasn't Jesus, who was he?

Judas iscariot

4. The disciples of Jesus saw Jesus after the resurrection and because of that, they were not Afraid any more. Who did they see after resurrection (or did Allah complete their deception by showing them another Jesus?

Jesus

5. The disciples numbering up to 500 saw Jesus being taken up to heaven in their presence. Islam agree he was taken to heaven but can you please tell us one witness of this assertion?

ALLAH and the Quran

6. All the disciples except John died violent deaths (eg. Peter was crucified up side down). Why do you think the disciples were willing to die gruesome deaths over what doesn't exist.

did I say jesus didn't exist?

7. And Jesus didn't tell any of His disciples that someone else who looked like Him would be crucified in His stead: Why?

Prehaps he didn't bcoz he isn't d omini knowest

8. Why would the disciples lie about Jesus crucification? What do they stand to gain (forget about the drawings you see, a person is crucified stark Unclad in the public square)

Becoz dey didn't knw it wasn't him

9. Jesus told his disciples about his death and resurrection well before hand. Why would someone now replace Him and He didn't even tell any of His disciples.

dat I can't answer



To be continued battery low

3slleeq:
"CHRIST" NOT A NAME
Over a thousand million Christians today blindly accept that Jesus of Nazareth is the Christ. They produce "a thousand and one" prophecies from the Jewish Bible (the Old Testament) to prove their claim that Jesus was the Messiah promised to the Jews. Let us hold the "thousand" prophecies in abeyance for a moment and examine the only unequivocal claim made by Jesus in the Gospels and examine whether he fulfilled his promise to the Jews. We must admit that the word CHRIST is not a name. It is a title. It is a translation of the Hebrew word Messiah, meaning "anointed." The Greek word for "anointed" is Christos from which we get the word Christ. Priests and kings were "anointed" when being consecrated to their office. The Holy Bible confers this title even on a heathen king CYRUS (Isaiah 45:1). We are reminded in the Gospel of St. Luke that "WHEN EIGHT DAYS WERE ACCOMPLISHED FOR THE CIRCUMCISING OF THE CHILD, HIS NAME WAS CALLED JESUS, WHICH WAS SO NAMED OF THE ANGEL BEFORE HE WAS CONCEIVED IN THE WOMB." (Luke 2:21). The name that was given to Mary for her yet unborn son was JESUS and NOT Christ. It was only after his baptism at the hands of John the Baptist that he, Jesus, claimed to be the Christ. The Jews were not the ones to accept his claim on its face value. They wanted proof!

MIRACLE AS PROOF
Matthew records that the learned men among the Jews - the Scribes and Pharisees - came to Jesus and asked, "MASTER, WE WOULD SEE A SIGN FROM THEE". (Matthew 12:38). What they really wanted was some "magic trick," some "sleight of hand" like producing a rabbit out of a hat or walking on the water or flying in the air or trodding on burning coal. This is the type of "sign" or MIRACLE they were looking for. The Jews mistook him for a sorcerer, a wizard, a charlatan.

NO "SIGN" BUT ONE
With righteous indignation Jesus replies: "AN EVIL AND ADULTEROUS GENERATION SEEKETH AFTER A SIGN; AND THERE SHALL NO SIGN (no miracle) BE GIVEN TO IT, BUT THE SIGN (miracle) OF THE PROPHET JONAS: FOR AS JONAS WAS THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS IN THE WHALE'S BELLY; SO SHALL THE SON OF MAN BE THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS IN THE HEART OF THE
EARTH." (Matthew 12:39-40). Jesus says, "NO SIGN." He does not refer the Jews to blind Bartimeus whose sight he had restored. He does not speak about the "woman with issues" who was healed by merely touching him; or about the 2000 pigs he had destroyed to heal "a man possessed;" or the 5000 and the 3000 people he had fed and satiated with a few pieces of fish and a few pieces of bread. 'No sign," says Jesus, BUT ONE! - "THE SIGN OF THE PROPHET JONAH" He is putting all his "eggs" in one basket. His claim to being the Messiah (Christ) stands or falls by the ONLY "sign" he was prepared to give.

Did Jesus fulfil the only sign he gave? Christendom answers with a unanimous Y-E-S! without heeding the Biblical advice - 'not to take things for granted.' –but "PROVE ALL THINGS!" (1 Thessalonians 5:21)

JONAH FLEES HIS CALL
What was the "sign" (miracle) of Jonah? We have to go to the "Book of Jonah" in the Old Testament to find out. God commanded Jonah to go to Nineveh and warn the Ninevites to repent from their "evil ways, and from the violence that is in their hands." (Jonah 3: But Jonah was loath to go as a warner unto the Ninevites, so he goes to Joppa instead of Nineveh, and takes a boat to run away from the Lord's command. While at sea, there was a terrible tempest. According to the superstition of the mariners, a person fleeing from his Master's command creates such a turmoil at sea. They began to enquire among themselves and said, "COME, AND LET US CAST LOTS, (like the tossing of a coin, "head" or "tail" THAT WE MAY KNOW FOR WHOSE CAUSE THIS EVIL IS UPON US. SO THEY CAST LOTS, AND THE LOT FELL UPON JONAH." (Jonah 1:7) Though there was a temporary lapse on the part of Jonah in fulfilling his mission, he manfully and most courageously volunteers: "AND HE SAID UNTO THEM TAKE ME UP, AND CAST ME FORTH INTO THE SEA; SO SHALL THE SEA BE CALM UNTO YOU: FOR I KNOW THAT FOR MY SAKE THIS GREAT TEMPEST IS UPON YOU." (Jonah 1:12)

DEAD OR ALIVE?
Since Jonah was selflessly offering himself as a "vicarious" sacrifice there was no need for strangling him before throwing him into the sea, no need to spear him or break his arm or limb. In his own words: "TAKE ME UP AND CAST ME FORTH." The question now arises, that when the shipmaster and the crew threw him overboard, was Jonah dead or[b] alive[/b]? Any Christian child who has attended Sunday School will give an immediate reply: "ALIVE!" The storm subsides. Was this perhaps a coincidence? A fish swallows Jonah. Was he dead or alive when swallowed? The answer again is "ALIVE." Was he dead or[b] alive [/b]when "JONAH PRAYED UNTO THE LORD HIS GOD OUT OF THE FISH'S BELLY?" (Jonah 2:1) Surely dead men don't cry and don't pray! The answer again is "ALIVE." For three days and three nights the fish takes him around the ocean: dead or alive? "ALIVE!" is the answer. On the third day it vomits him on the seashore: dead or alive? A-L-I-V-E, of course! What had Jesus prophesied about himself? He said: "AS JONAH WAS ..... SO SHALL THE SON OF MAN BE" "soos Jonah" - "njenga Jonah" – LIKE JONAH. And how was Jonah? Was he dead or alive [/b]for three days and three nights? [b]Alive! ALIVE! ALIVE! is the unanimous answer from the Jew, the Christian and the Muslim!

UNLIKE JONAH
If Jonah was alive for three days and three nights, then Jesus also ought to have been alive in the tomb as he himself had foretold! But Christianity hangs on the flimsy thread of the "death" of Jesus for its salvation. So it has to answer that Jesus was DEAD for three days and three nights. The contradiction between his utterance and its fulfilment is obvious. Jonah ALIVE, Jesus DEAD! Very UNLIKE Jonah! Jesus had said "LIKE Jonah" not UNLIKE Jonah. If this is true then according to his own test Jesus is not the TRUE Messiah of the Jews. If the Gospel record is genuine then how can we blame the Jews for rejecting "CHRIST."

THREE AND THREE = 72 HOURS?
The Doctor of Divinity and the Professor of Theology replies that in Matthew 12:40 under discussion, the emphasis is on the TIME factor - "as Jonas was THREE days and THREE nights in the belly of the whale, so shall the son of man be THREE days and THREE nights in the heart of the earth." "Please note," says the learned theologian, "that the word "THREE" is repeated F-O-U-R [/b]times in this verse to prove that Jesus was going to fulfil the prophecy as regards the length of time he was going to remain in the tomb, and NOT [b]'As Jonas was' in relation to his being alive or dead.

If it is the time factor that Jesus was stressing then let us ask whether he fulfilled that aspect of his promise to the Jews as well. The Christian dogmatist answers: "OFCOURSE!"

PUBLIC HOLIDAY
The question arises: when was Christ crucified? The whole Christian world answers: "FRIDAY!" Is this the reason we celebrate "Good Friday" - "Gooi-Vrydag" – as a Public Holiday in the Republic of South Africa? And every Christian nation from America to Zambia, from Abyssinia to Zaire have a Public Holiday on the "FRIDAY" [/b]at Easter. What makes [b]"Good Friday" so good? "It is the death of Christ on the Cross on this day to wash off our sins," says the Christians. So he was killed on the cross on a Friday, 1950 years ago? "YES!" says the Christians. From the Gospel records we gather that the Jews were in a hurry to eliminate Jesus. Hence the midnight trial, and then despatching him off to Pilate in the morning; from Pilate to Herod and then back again to Pilate. The vested interests were afraid of the general public. Jesus was their hero. He had been their benefactor. His enemies had to do away with him quickly, and succeeded in doing so. However, as much as they were in a hurry to hang him on the cross, they were in equal hurry to bring him down from the cross before sunset on Friday because of the Sabbath. The Sabbath starts at about 6 p.m. on Friday and the Jews were warned in Deuteronomy 21:23 that the victim of crucifixion was an "accursed of God" and was not to be permitted to remain hanging on the Sabbath day, "that thy land be not defiled which the Lord thy God giveth thee for an inheritance." To satisfy the religious scruples of the Scribes and Pharisees the "secret disciples" of Jesus took down the body from the cross. They gave the body the Jewish burial-bath, plastered it with "one hundred pounds weight of aloes and myrrh" (John 19:39), then placed the shrouded body into the sepulchre before night-fall.

WHY "SUPPOSED"?
There are numerous differences between the various sects and denominations of Christianity, but on the above they are unanimous. Jesus is SUPPOSED to be in the tomb on the night of Friday. He is still SUPPOSED to be in the tomb on the day of Saturday. He is still SUPPOSED to be in the tomb on the night of Saturday. Christians agree whole-heartedly with this. It will be noted that I have repeated the word 'SUPPOSED' three times. The reason is that the Gospels are silent as to when exactly Jesus came out of the tomb. He could have been taken away on Friday night by his "secret disciples" [/b]to a more congenial and restful place, but I have no right to assume about what the Gospel writers are silent. I have, therefore, repeated the word [b]'SUPPOSED' three times.

In the final analysis, let us see whether Jesus was THREE days and THREE niqhts in the tomb:

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You will no doubt note that the GRAND TOTAL is ONE day and TWO nights, and NOT three [/b]days and [b]three nights. According to the Christian Scriptures Jesus had failed a SECOND time. FIRST he was unlike Jonah, who was ALIVE in the belly of the fish, which is the exact opposite of what the Christians claim had happened to their master Jesus, who was DEAD [/b]for the same period of time as Jonah was - [b]ALIVE.

SECONDLY, we discover that he also failed to fulfil the TIME FACTOR as well. The greatest mathematician in Christendom will fail to obtain the desired result – THREE days and THREE nights. We must not forget that the Gospels are explicit in telling us that it was "before sunrise" on Sunday morning (the FIRST day of the week), that Mary Magdalene went to the tomb of Jesus and found it empty.

The question arises, who deceived the millions of Christians for the past TWO THOUSAND years. If this is the belief of the trend-setters of the Christian Faith in the world today, may we not then ask: is this not the mightiest hoax in history?

Even though you addressed this to no one in particular, I wish to make an observation.
It seems to me that you are a good Muslim and as such, you must speak the truth in as much as it doesn't contradict the Qur'an. If this is true, the I can proceed.

I see two main issue you brought out
1. Jesus did not die but was buried alive
2. Jesus did not spend 62 hours in the grave (it was 1 day and 2 nights).

1. Jesus did not die but was buried alive
I see that you don't mind going against the plain words of the Qur'an as long as it puts down your arch enemies Jews and Christians

Qur'an 4:157
And their saying: Surely we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the apostle of Allah, and they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him, but the matter was made dubious to them, and most surely those who differ therein are only in a doubt about it: they have no knowledge respecting it, but only follow a conjecture, and they know it not for sure. Nay: Allah exalted him in His presence, and Allah is Mighty, Wise.

If the Almighty Allah says Jesus did not die, you have a great support for your theory
Unfortunately
Allah says Jesus was NOT crucified

If He was not crucified, then he has no business in the grave. Since it was made to look like Jesus was crucified (by Allah) it must have been that someone was buried instead of Jesus.

The question that you must answer still is,
i. When did Allah take Jesus to heaven? (Was it before, during or after the crucifixion?)

Any theory must not only disprove, it must solve a problem.
2. Jesus did not spend 62 hours in the grave
Of course Jesus could not have spent 62 hours in the grave by the narration of the events.

But also, Jesus could not have spent four days else the same you will come out with an argument that its supposed to be three days and Not four. So, clearly the clock isn't the judge of the number of days.

There are two ways of reckoning days
i. It could be by hour which will involve us counting 62 hours BUT even in the contemporary world with clocks we don't ever reckon time like that.
ii. It could be by the count of the suns or mornings.
Like even if it is 5pm it is still the DAY and the third day could even be 2 pm of the day.
I am sure no amount of argument will satisfy you on this so, I leave the rest to you.

However, you are still willing to negate the Quran by contesting the Prophethood of Jesus. If the only sign of Jesus failed, how could we trust that he prophesied the coming of Mohammed?

In other words, its a lie that you claim Jesus predicted the coming of Mohammed. Is it?


If your theory is correct as you will want us to believe
1. Who was the resurrected person seen by the disciples?
2. The disciples ALL died very violent deaths preaching the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus Christ if this wasn't true, at least the 11 disciples must know.
3. Jesus ascended to heaven in the presence of over 500 disciples, was this a fake? Most of them at this time were alive when "this rumor" was peddled Abi?
4. If Allah confused the Apostles, can we not say that Allah caused the ultimate failure of Jesus ministry?

Salam

For clarity please elucidate the correct history of the disappearance of Jesus from the scene.
It will clear all the confusion and we can ask you questions

umarshek6:
I don't knw y. I'm not God

I'm not sure but I think it shuld b judas iscariot u can Google it

Judas iscariot

Jesus


ALLAH and the Quran

did I say jesus didn't exist?


Prehaps he didn't bcoz he isn't d omini knowest

Becoz dey didn't knw it wasn't him

dat I can't answer



To be continued battery low

Questions for you please.
1. Would you say Allah deceived the Jews and the Romans? If Yes, why do you think Allah also deceived Mary, the Disciples and all Christians?
I don't knw y. I'm not God
Evasive answer: the Qur'an says it was made to look like Jesus was crucified (by no other person than Allah). Maybe it was shaitan? It certainly wasn't the Jews, the Romans ,nor the Christians

2. Historically, someone was crucified as Jesus Christ. The Bible says that the Person was Jesus but Islam says it was someone else. Can you please tell us the identity of the person?

I'm not sure but I think it shuld b judas iscariot u can Google it

Google for an answer to the question that the almighty Quran cannot answer?

3. This person on the cross spoke to Mary (His Mother) and John (His Disciple). He actually called Mary "Mother" and handed Mary over to John. If it wasn't Jesus, who was he?
Judas iscariot

Suddenly, Google gave you the answer as Judas.
We know how Judas died!
He hung himself and his stomach bust when they cut him down. The disciples replaced Judas with Matthias.

And Judas the betrayer had the business of telling John to take care of Jesus mother? Where was Jesus?

Allah must have completely deceived both Mary and John

4. The disciples of Jesus saw Jesus after the resurrection and because of that, they were not Afraid any more. Who did they see after resurrection (or did Allah complete their deception by showing them another Jesus?
Jesus
Oh, they saw Jesus after the episode of the crucification and still went ahead to inform everybody that Jesus was crucified naked on the cross. Oh, I see, they were hiding Jesus from a second crucification and instead they died violent deaths for a message of christ crucification and resurrection?


5. The disciples numbering up to 500 saw Jesus being taken up to heaven in their presence. Islam agree he was taken to heaven but can you please tell us one witness of this assertion?
ALLAH and the Quran
See your lies.
Say you don't know.
What an answer! Write that in your exam and see what you will score

What is 21+12=?
Answer=ALLAH and the Quran knows


6. All the disciples except John died violent deaths (eg. Peter was crucified up side down). Why do you think the disciples were willing to die gruesome deaths over what doesn't exist.
did I say jesus didn't exist?
Over a story that doesn't exist? Why would they choose to die over lies and fabrications?

7. And Jesus didn't tell any of His disciples that someone else who looked like Him would be crucified in His stead: Why?
Prehaps he didn't bcoz he isn't d omini knowest
And Allah didn't know that this will cause confusion amongst Jesus Disciples?



8. Why would the disciples lie about Jesus crucification? What do they stand to gain (forget about the drawings you see, a person is crucified stark Unclad in the public square)
Becoz dey didn't knw it wasn't him
-And they couldn't recognize Judas when they see him
-And Mary couldnt recognize her son
-And John couldn't recognize his Master Jesus
-And when they later saw Jesus, Jesus still pretended that He was the one crucified
-And Jesus had on Himself the marks of crucification (Thomas had to put his fingers in those holes made by nails)



9. Jesus told his disciples about his death and resurrection well before hand. Why would someone now replace Him and He didn't even tell any of His disciples.
dat I can't answer
So Jesus was joking?

If you deny a truth, you must be ready to give the correct version of the story without holes.

Waiting for your battery to come up for the second part of your answer. I am sure you know that your attempts are extremely lame!

shadeyinka:
Questions for you please.
1. Would you say Allah deceived the Jews and the Romans? If Yes, why do you think Allah also deceived Mary, the Disciples and all Christians?
I don't knw y. I'm not God
Evasive answer: the Qur'an says it was made to look like Jesus was crucified (by no other person than Allah). Maybe it was shaitan? It certainly wasn't the Jews, the Romans ,nor the Christians

2. Historically, someone was crucified as Jesus Christ. The Bible says that the Person was Jesus but Islam says it was someone else. Can you please tell us the identity of the person?

I'm not sure but I think it shuld b judas iscariot u can Google it

Google for an answer to the question that the almighty Quran cannot answer?

3. This person on the cross spoke to Mary (His Mother) and John (His Disciple). He actually called Mary "Mother" and handed Mary over to John. If it wasn't Jesus, who was he?
Judas iscariot

Suddenly, Google gave you the answer as Judas.
We know how Judas died!
He hung himself and his stomach bust when they cut him down. The disciples replaced Judas with Matthias.

And Judas the betrayer had the business of telling John to take care of Jesus mother? Where was Jesus?

Allah must have completely deceived both Mary and John

4. The disciples of Jesus saw Jesus after the resurrection and because of that, they were not Afraid any more. Who did they see after resurrection (or did Allah complete their deception by showing them another Jesus?
Jesus
Oh, they saw Jesus after the episode of the crucification and still went ahead to inform everybody that Jesus was crucified naked on the cross. Oh, I see, they were hiding Jesus from a second crucification and instead they died violent deaths for a message of christ crucification and resurrection?


5. The disciples numbering up to 500 saw Jesus being taken up to heaven in their presence. Islam agree he was taken to heaven but can you please tell us one witness of this assertion?
ALLAH and the Quran
See your lies.
Say you don't know.
What an answer! Write that in your exam and see what you will score

What is 21+12=?
Answer=ALLAH and the Quran knows


6. All the disciples except John died violent deaths (eg. Peter was crucified up side down). Why do you think the disciples were willing to die gruesome deaths over what doesn't exist.
did I say jesus didn't exist?
Over a story that doesn't exist? Why would they choose to die over lies and fabrications?

7. And Jesus didn't tell any of His disciples that someone else who looked like Him would be crucified in His stead: Why?
Prehaps he didn't bcoz he isn't d omini knowest
And Allah didn't know that this will cause confusion amongst Jesus Disciples?



8. Why would the disciples lie about Jesus crucification? What do they stand to gain (forget about the drawings you see, a person is crucified stark Unclad in the public square)
Becoz dey didn't knw it wasn't him
-And they couldn't recognize Judas when they see him
-And Mary couldnt recognize her son
-And John couldn't recognize his Master Jesus
-And when they later saw Jesus, Jesus still pretended that He was the one crucified
-And Jesus had on Himself the marks of crucification (Thomas had to put his fingers in those holes made by nails)



9. Jesus told his disciples about his death and resurrection well before hand. Why would someone now replace Him and He didn't even tell any of His disciples.
dat I can't answer
So Jesus was joking?

If you deny a truth, you must be ready to give the correct version of the story without holes.

Waiting for your battery to come up for the second part of your answer. I am sure you know that your attempts are extremely lame!

I answer what I have knowledge about
I don't lie jst to answer what I don't know
If d answers are not ok for then so be it





And for ur information the coming of prophet. Muhammad (SAW)was.prophesied in d bible? Yes or No

umarshek6:
I answer what I have knowledge about
I don't lie jst to answer what I don't know
If d answers are not ok for then so be it





And for ur information the coming of prophet. Muhammad (SAW)was.prophesied in d bible? Yes or No

Capital No!
Except as an Antichrist if we microscopically look at it.

But please answer the rest of my questions then we can discuss this if you want from the scriptures

shadeyinka:
Capital No!
Except as an Antichrist if we microscopically look at it.

But please answer the rest of my questions then we can discuss this if you want from the scriptures

I don't have. The answers
Nd nepa is f**king up

I will show d particular verse dat jesus himself prophesied it if u are curious

umarshek6:
I don't knw y. I'm not God
I'm not sure but I think it shuld b judas iscariot u can Google it
Judas iscariot
Jesus

ALLAH and the Quran
did I say jesus didn't exist?

Prehaps he didn't bcoz he isn't d omini knowest
Becoz dey didn't knw it wasn't him
dat I can't answer


To be continued battery low

How old are you?

analice107:
How old are you?

18yrs old

umarshek6:
18yrs old

Now i get it. Pls read your books and graduate from the Uni first before you think of engaging adults in discussions.

umarshek6:
I don't have. The answers
Nd nepa is f**king up

I understand.
Unfortunately, no Muslim can provide satisfactory answers because any answer you give raises objections to the validity of the Qur'an's statements.

Now for your insinuation about Prophecies about Mohammed in the Bible, I will like to see it.

Thanks

analice107:
Now i get it. Pls read your books and graduate from the Uni first before you think of engaging adults in discussions.

Hi,
I believe that he is learning. There are lots of lies Islamic clerics have pumped down innocent Muslims gullet and they actually believe the lies without questioning them.

umarshek6 seems sincere so, I am willing to be patient with him. I believe that he is seeing that some of what they've been taught as true are not iron clad.

A moslem becomes free on the day he begins to ask questions about what he is taught. I advocate that Christians too ask questions about their faith, not accepting everything line hook and sinker.

Shalom my sister. I am waiting for him to show me how Jesus prophesied the coming of Mohammed

shadeyinka:
Hi,
I believe that he is learning. There are lots of lies Islamic clerics have pumped down innocent Muslims gullet and they actually believe the lies without questioning them.

umarshek6 seems sincere so, I am willing to be patient with him. I believe that he is seeing that some of what they've been taught as true are not iron clad.

A moslem becomes free on the day he begins to ask questions about what he is taught. I advocate that Christians too ask questions about their faith, not accepting everything line hook and sinker.

Shalom my sister. I am waiting for him to show me how Jesus prophesied the coming of Mohammed

Thank God for you my brother. I hope he asks those questions and takes the answers seriously.

But, Islam lie o.

John 16:7 i will post d remaning verses wen i search for my bible either b4 or after i come back frm skul 2mrrw

shadeyinka:
I understand.
Unfortunately, no Muslim can provide satisfactory answers because any answer you give raises objections to the validity of the Qur'an's statements.

Now for your insinuation about Prophecies about Mohammed in the Bible, I will like to see it.

Thanks

Nepa jst brought light and I jst found it



"And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Paraclete, that he may abide with you into the age (to come)." 
John 14:16



"But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Paraclete shall not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you." John 16:7


"When the Paraclete comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, that is the Spirit of Truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness of me." John 15:26



"But the Paraclete, the Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you." John 14:26


Cc shadeyinka analice107

I also have d explanation if u still desire me to further it break down


Goodnight

analice107:
Thank God for you my brother. I hope he asks those questions and takes the answers seriously.

But, Islam lie o.

Seriously..anti salvation movement

umarshek6:
Nepa jst brought light and I jst found it



"And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Paraclete, that he may abide with you into the age (to come)." 
John 14:16


"But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Paraclete shall not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you." John 16:7

"When the Paraclete comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, that is the Spirit of Truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness of me." John 15:26


"But the Paraclete, the Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you." John 14:26


Cc shadeyinka analice107

I also have d explanation if u still desire me to further it break down


Goodnight

The Greek word Παράκλητον(pronounced as Parakleton).
In general the word signifies:
(1) a legal advocate, or counsel for defense,
(2) an intercessor,
(3) a helper, generally.
Pls open this link to confirm:
http://biblehub.com/interlinear/john/14.htm or type Παράκλητον in google.

So, let's look at the scriptures one by one and tell me if it refers to Mohammed.

John 14:15-18
15 “If you love me, keep my commands. 16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever —
17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him . But you know him , for he lives with you and will be[c] in you.
18 I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.

Characteristics of the Παράκλητον
1. He will be with Jesus disciples forever.
Mohammed is dead, so he doesn't qualify
2.The Παράκλητον is also called the Spirit of truth
Mohammed is NOT a Spirit is he?
3. The world (unbelievers) cannot see Him nor know Him
Mohammed fought unbelievers. They know him when he was alive
4. This Παράκλητον was already known by the disciples at the time Jesus was speaking to them.
Mohammed was born almost 600 years after so, he cannot qualify
5.This Παράκλητον lives INSIDE the Disciples
Does Mohammed live inside people?

The next verse you quoted is lengthy for you to get the information but here it is

John16:1-15
“All this I have told you so that you will not fall away. 2 They will put you out of the synagogue; in fact, the time is coming when anyone who kills you will think they are offering a service to God. 3 They will do such things because they have not known the Father or me. 4 I have told you this, so that when their time comes you will remember that I warned you about them. I did not tell you this from the beginning because I was with you, 5 but now I am going to him who sent me. None of you asks me, ‘Where are you going?’ 6 Rather, you are filled with grief because I have said these things. 7 But very truly I tell you, it is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. 8 When he comes, he will prove the world to be in the wrong about sin and righteousness and judgment: 9 about sin, because people do not believe in me; 10 about righteousness, because I am going to the Father, where you can see me no longer; 11 and about judgment, because the prince of this world now stands condemned.

12 “I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. 13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. 14 He will glorify me because it is from me that he will receive what he will make known to you . 15 All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will receive from me what he will make known to you.”

Wiyh out repeating the earlier points
1. Jesus is the one sending the Παράκλητον to the disciples.
If Jesus sends Mohammed, are you agreeing that Jesus is greater than Mohammed?
2. The Παράκλητον will bring messages of Jesus to people.

Example: Love your enemies, do good to those who cheat you amongst others. I hate divorce!
Tell me if Mohammed preached the messages of Jesus (I know you will start saying oneness of Allah as if the Jews worshipped several gods)

Finally

John15:26-27
26 “When the Advocate comes, whom I will send to you from the Father—the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father—he will testify about me. 27 And you also must testify, for you have been with me from the beginning.

1. Jesus sends the Παράκλητον to His disciples
You agree that Jesus sends Mohammed?
2.The Παράκλητον is from the Father
How come Mohammed does not know the Father if he is from the Father?
Does He?
3. The Παράκλητον is a Spirit
Mohammed is flesh and blood
4. The Παράκλητον is a Spirit who goes out from the Father
Show me a human being who is called or referred to as a spirit?
If Mohammed goes out of the Father, he must surely know the Father AND not deny the Sonship of Christ.

How can God be a Father is the claim of Mohammed: as far as he is concerned God must have a wife to be a Father.


So, you can see that you have been misled by those who quote half scriptures to you.

If Mohammed fulfills 70% of these characteristics (in the scripture), we may take him seriously but failing almost 100%?!
Mind you, I have only used the scriptures you gave me.

shadeyinka:
The Greek word Παράκλητον(pronounced as Parakleton).
In general the word signifies:
(1) a legal advocate, or counsel for defense,
(2) an intercessor,
(3) a helper, generally.
Pls open this link to confirm:
http://biblehub.com/interlinear/john/14.htm or type Παράκλητον in google.

So, let's look at the scriptures one by one and tell me if it refers to Mohammed.

Characteristics of the Παράκλητον
1. He will be with Jesus disciples forever.
Mohammed is dead, so he doesn't qualify
2.The Παράκλητον is also called the Spirit of truth
Mohammed is NOT a Spirit is he?
3. The world (unbelievers) cannot see Him nor know Him
Mohammed fought unbelievers. They know him when he was alive
4. This Παράκλητον was already known by the disciples at the time Jesus was speaking to them.
Mohammed was born almost 600 years after so, he cannot qualify
5.This Παράκλητον lives INSIDE the Disciples
Does Mohammed live inside people?

The next verse you quoted is lengthy for you to get the information but here it is

Wiyh out repeating the earlier points
1. Jesus is the one sending the Παράκλητον to the disciples.
If Jesus sends Mohammed, are you agreeing that Jesus is greater than Mohammed?
2. The Παράκλητον will bring messages of Jesus to people.

Example: Love your enemies, do good to those who cheat you amongst others. I hate divorce!
Tell me if Mohammed preached the messages of Jesus (I know you will start saying oneness of Allah as if the Jews worshipped several gods)

Finally


1. Jesus sends the Παράκλητον to His disciples
You agree that Jesus sends Mohammed?
2.The Παράκλητον is from the Father
How come Mohammed does not know the Father if he is from the Father?
Does He?
3. The Παράκλητον is a Spirit
Mohammed is flesh and blood
4. The Παράκλητον is a Spirit who goes out from the Father
Show me a human being who is called or referred to as a spirit?
If Mohammed goes out of the Father, he must surely know the Father AND not deny the Sonship of Christ.

How can God be a Father is the claim of Mohammed: as far as he is concerned God must have a wife to be a Father.


So, you can see that you have been misled by those who quote half scriptures to you

Good job bro. So patient in pointing out these errors to him. But, will he see them?

shadeyinka:
Seriously..anti salvation movement

Islam spends more time talking about Christianity in a wrong way more than it does their own religion.

When they someone who can point out their errors they run off or resort to insults and threats.

analice107:
Good job bro. So patient in pointing out these errors to him. But, will he see them?

analice107:
Islam spends more time talking about Christianity in a wrong way more than it does their own religion.

When they someone who can point out their errors they run off or resort to insults and threats.

My problem with them has to do with an attempt to rewrite history and terms to suit Islam at the expense of the truth.

Even though they know it as a fact that Christians do not claim they worship three gods but they have been brainwashed into accepting their own version of story still insinuating polytheism to Christians.

Quran started it though by redefining Trinity as God, Jesus and Mary instead of Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit was redefined as Angel Gabriel as if other angels are "unholy".

You will observe that they rarely insinuate that Christians worship angel Gabriel because they know that they do not have enough evidence cooked up to class Jubril as " the Holy Spirit".

Islam agrees usually with everything in the Bible that has nothing to do with Salvation and Gods plan for salvation but opposes everything that has to do with salvation.

shadeyinka:
The Greek word Παράκλητον(pronounced as Parakleton).
In general the word signifies:
(1) a legal advocate, or counsel for defense,
(2) an intercessor,
(3) a helper, generally.
Pls open this link to confirm:
http://biblehub.com/interlinear/john/14.htm or type Παράκλητον in google.

So, let's look at the scriptures one by one and tell me if it refers to Mohammed.

Characteristics of the Παράκλητον
1. He will be with Jesus disciples forever.
Mohammed is dead, so he doesn't qualify
2.The Παράκλητον is also called the Spirit of truth
Mohammed is NOT a Spirit is he?
3. The world (unbelievers) cannot see Him nor know Him
Mohammed fought unbelievers. They know him when he was alive
4. This Παράκλητον was already known by the disciples at the time Jesus was speaking to them.
Mohammed was born almost 600 years after so, he cannot qualify
5.This Παράκλητον lives INSIDE the Disciples
Does Mohammed live inside people?

The next verse you quoted is lengthy for you to get the information but here it is

Wiyh out repeating the earlier points
1. Jesus is the one sending the Παράκλητον to the disciples.
If Jesus sends Mohammed, are you agreeing that Jesus is greater than Mohammed?
2. The Παράκλητον will bring messages of Jesus to people.

Example: Love your enemies, do good to those who cheat you amongst others. I hate divorce!
Tell me if Mohammed preached the messages of Jesus (I know you will start saying oneness of Allah as if the Jews worshipped several gods)

Finally


1. Jesus sends the Παράκλητον to His disciples
You agree that Jesus sends Mohammed?
2.The Παράκλητον is from the Father
How come Mohammed does not know the Father if he is from the Father?
Does He?
3. The Παράκλητον is a Spirit
Mohammed is flesh and blood
4. The Παράκλητον is a Spirit who goes out from the Father
Show me a human being who is called or referred to as a spirit?
If Mohammed goes out of the Father, he must surely know the Father AND not deny the Sonship of Christ.

How can God be a Father is the claim of Mohammed: as far as he is concerned God must have a wife to be a Father.


So, you can see that you have been misled by those who quote half scriptures to you.

If Mohammed fulfills 70% of these characteristics (in the scripture), we may take him seriously but failing almost 100%?!
Mind you, I have only used the scriptures you gave me.

READ THIS WITH OPEN MIND SIR




    To understand the prophecies made by Jesus on the subject, one has to begin with the First Epistle of John, Chapter 2, Verse 1. Here, Jesus Christ is called a "Paraclete" (Parakletos, Advocate, Comforter, Helper) by apostle John. The same term "Paraclete" is used by the apostle in his Gospel, in connection with a portentous prophecy made by Jesus Christ, before the end of his ministry upon this earth, for the coming of "another Paraclete". Prophet Moses also made a similar prophecy, before the end of his ministry, for the coming of his successor. Jesus Christ declared;

"And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Paraclete, that he may abide with you into the age (to come)." 
John 14:16

Note: We often read the verse ending as; "with you for ever". However; "into the age" is the literal translation of the Greek phrase; `eis ton aiona', used by John.


These two verses by John clearly demonstrate that Jesus Christ, while speaking of "another Paraclete", was speaking of the coming of "another male figure" like himself, some time in the future, after his departure. The passage quoted below also confirms that the original concept among the noted Christian scholars and populace, for the "Paraclete" was for the coming of a "male figure", but that concept was later confused with the "Holy Spirit". Here is an extract from the world renowned and distinguished Anchor Bible Volume 29A:


"The word parakletos is peculiar in the NT to the Johnannine literature. In 1John ii1 Jesus is a parakletos (not a title), serving as a heavenly intercessor with the Father. ...Christian tradition has identified this figure (Paraclete) as the Holy Spirit, but scholars like Spitta, Delafosse, Windisch, Sasse, Butlmann and Betz have doubted whether this identification is true to the original picture and have suggested that the Paraclete was once an independent salvific figure, later confused with the Holy Spirit." (page 1135).


The Bible tells us that Jesus Christ, besides being a "Messiah" was also a prophet like Moses, by his own admission. Please see John 5:46 and 9:17. Hence to say that the coming of "another Paraclete" was similar to the coming of "another Prophet" like Jesus and Moses, would not be inaccurate. OTOH, the concept of "Holy Spirit" is unequivocally negated by the following verse:

"But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Paraclete shall not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you." [/b]John 16:7


This verse clearly tells us that the coming of the Paraclete was subject to the departure of Jesus. Whereas, the "Holy Spirit" was already present. It was in existence since the day of the Creation and was hovering upon the surface of the earth (Genesis 1:2). It was also present with the prophets of the Old Testament. The "Holy Spirit" happened to be present at River Jordan when Jesus Christ was being Baptised by John the Baptist, in the early part of his ministry. So, how could Jesus say; [b]"but if I go, I will send Holy Spirit"?



"When the Paraclete comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, that is the Spirit of Truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness of me." John 15:26


This above verse clears the confusion. The Paraclete is called the "Spirit of Truth" and not the "Holy Spirit". These are two separate terms and two independent entities. The first takes the pronoun "he" being a male figure, whereas, the second one takes the pronoun "it".

"But the Paraclete, the Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you." John 14:26


Note: 
1. In the older MSS, Codex Syriacus discovered in 1812 on Mount Sinai by Mrs.Agnes S. Lewis (and Mrs. Bensley), the text of 14:26 reads; "Paraclete, the Spirit"; and not "Paraclete, the Holy Spirit". "The Spirit" is a reference to "the Spirit of Truth" as in 15:26.

2. The word spirit, Greek. `pneu'ma', is of neutral gender and takes pronoun "it". Whereas, in almost all the verses referring to Paraclete quoted above and below, the pronoun used is "he".

3. In 1 John 4:6, the terms "the spirit of truth" and "the spirit of error" are used for the human beings.

4. History records that prophet Muhammad was known for his Truth and Honesty, long before he received the Revelations.

Jesus Christ did indicate what the Paraclete to come will do in his time. Did prophet Muhammad do those things? Let's examine;

1. "But when he, the Spirit of Truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth; for he will not speak on his own initiative, but whatever he hears, he will speak..." Jn.16:13

Note: The Quran is a compilation of the "Divine Revelations" that were received by prophet Muhammad, over a period of 23 years, through the arch angel Gabriel. The prophet used to recite whatever he used to hear. Prophet's companions used to write down whatever was recited. The Quran does not contain the writings or teachings of or by Muhammad, as often mentioned by some misinformed authors.

2. "He shall glorify me." John 16:14

Note: The Quran glorifies the birth of Jesus through Virgin Mary. The Quran also confirms, Jesus was a Messiah; a Messenger of God; the Spirit from God; the Word of God and the Righteous Prophet.

3. "He shall take mine and shall disclose it to you." Jn.16:14

Note: Muhammad did declare himself a Messenger of God like Abraham, Moses and Jesus.

4. "He will teach you all things." John 14:26

Note: The Quran teaches a way of life. It guides mankind, how to live a pious life socially, politically and spiritually.

5. "He will bring to your remembrance all that I said to you." Jn.14:26

Note: The Quran speaks about the teaching of the righteous Jesus and even quotes him.

6. "He will bear witness of me" John 15:26

Note: The Quran attests the miracles performed by Jesus the Messiah. It also mentions one astonishing miracle performed by Jesus that the Gospel writers have not recorded. The Quran acknowledges that these miracles and signs were performed with the leave of Allah, by His righteous Servant and Messiah Jesus. The same is also attested in the Book of Acts 2:22; 3:13 (NASB).

Prophet Isaiah is considered to be one of the major prophets of the Old Testament. In the Book of Isaiah there are several prophecies about the coming of the Messiah. In chapter 42, Isaiah begins with a prophecy for the coming of prophet Jesus. After verse number nine, God declares through Isaiah, the "new things" that are to "spring forth" in the Land of Kedar.

In the Bible there is only one personality called Kedar. He was the grandson of prophet Abraham, through his son Ishmael (see Gen.25:13). Kedar's descendants had settled in Paran (Syno-Arabian dessert). In the Rabbinic literature Arabia is called the "Land of Kedar". Prophet Muhammad was a descendant of Kedar.

God declares through Isaiah;

"Behold, the former things are come to pass, and the new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them. `Sing unto the Lord a new song, and his praise from the end of the earth'. Let the wilderness and the cities thereof lift up their voices, the villages that Kedar doth inhabit: let the inhabitants of the rock sing, let them shout from the top of the mountains. Let them give glory unto the Lord, and declare His praise in the inlands." Chapter 42, Verses 9-12.

God did reveal in the Land of Kedar, through prophet Muhammad - a direct descendant of Kedar, a "New Song" - The Qur'an (Koran). This happens to be the only Scripture to be revealed in the language of the Kedarites. The verses of the Qur'an are recited like a poem. Nearly 1.2 billion Muslims, residing all over the world, recite this "new song" and Glorify Allah, in their daily prayers, five times in a day. The initial Revelation came to prophet Muhammad in a cave of Mount Hira near the city of Mecca. There are several mountains near Mecca. During the annual Islamic Pilgrimage called "Hajj", Muslims from all over the world, assemble in Mecca and shout Glory to the Lord from the top of Mount Arafat. The pilgrims continuously give Glory to Allah on their ways, to and from Mecca.

"The Lord shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies." Verse 13.

In the Old Testament the God often speaks "I" will do this, or "I" have done this; whereas, He has chosen human beings like us, to do these jobs. (see 2 Samuel 12:7-12). Muhammad did go forth as a mighty prophet of Allah, did stir up jealousy among the most influential and dominating tribe of the pagan Arabs in Arabia. Finally with a war cry and roar, Muhammad did prevail upon the enemies of Lord - the idolaters, fulfilling the above prophecy.

"I have long time holden my peace; I have been still, and refrained myself, now will I cry like a travailing woman; I will destroy and devour at once." Verse 14.

The prophets that came before Muhammad had all tried with peaceful missions. But, the concept of sharing God's Glory continued to surface again and again, in one way or other. It was with the war cry, through the descendants of Kedar (Arabs), these sinful practices were destroyed and devoured, inside and outside of Arabia. The spread of Islam was swift, wide spread and at once.

"And I will bring the blind by a way they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known; I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. These things I will do unto them, and not forsake them." Verse 16.

It is an undeniable fact that before the advent of Islam, the pagan Arabs were like the blinds. Their religious and social concepts were crooked. The revelation of this "new song" brought them out of that darkness. Earlier, God had not sent any prophet to these people. By sending Muhammad, God fulfilled His above promise and also the following promise to Abraham;

"And also of the son of the bondwoman I will make a nation, because he is thy seed." Genesis 21:13.

Please note the word "also" in above promise. The nations of Judaism and Christianity came out from the descendants of Abraham and Sarah. The nation of Islam came out from the descendants of Abraham and Hagar. Judaism, Christianity and Islam are three children of Abraham by God's Covenants with Abraham.

This also fulfils the following prophecy by Jesus;

"Howbeit when he, the Spirit of Truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth; for he shall not speak of himself; but what soever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you thing to come." John 16:13

For further details about "the Paraclete" and "the Spirit of Truth" please see Section 1 of this article.

"They shall be turned back, they shall be greatly ashamed, that trust in graven images; they say to the molten images, `Ye are our gods.'" Isaiah 42 Verse 17.

History records that Prophet Muhammad did put the pagan idolaters to great shame when he demolished before them, their 365 idols that were installed in Ka'bah (Mecca), the most respected place of pilgrimage in the whole of Arabia. Today, Ka'bah is the Grand Mosque of Islam. Muslims from all over the world face towards Ka'bah while reciting their daily ritual prayers.‎

[quote author=shadeyinka post=61524651][/quote]I will answer ur queries when I close today frm poly the strike has been suspended

umarshek6:
I will answer ur queries when I close today frm poly the strike has been suspended

Congrats and no problem.
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umarshek6:
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am back have u read and digested d information?

pls kindly observe and ask your questions sir

I will certainly read with an open mind while pointing out issues I see. I could also see that you really didn't read my post as you had this prepared as in copy and paste from disciples of Ahmed Deedat or Dr Naik.

The high sounding theological language and volume has actually made you believe that whoever wrote it is an authority in the field.

umarshek6:
READ THIS WITH OPEN MIND SIR

    To understand the prophecies made by Jesus on the subject, one has to begin with the First Epistle of John, Chapter 2, Verse 1. Here, Jesus Christ is called a "Paraclete" (Parakletos, Advocate, Comforter, Helper) by apostle John. The same term "Paraclete" is used by the apostle in his Gospel, in connection with a portentous prophecy made by Jesus Christ, before the end of his ministry upon this earth, for the coming of "another Paraclete".

Jesus was not called Paraklete in John2:
Please check
http://biblehub.com/interlinear/john/2.htm
The author knew that you will not check this.

umarshek6:
Prophet Moses also made a similar prophecy, before the end of his ministry, for the coming of his successor. Jesus Christ declared;

Moses made such prophecy and do you know what the Bible says about the prophecy?

Jesus said in
John 5:46, "For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me." This is another reference to Deuteronomy 18:15-22.

John 1:45, "Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom[b] Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth,[/b] the son of Joseph

In summary, from the scriptures and not peoples conjectures we see that the One Moses spoke about is actually Jesus Christ Himself

umarshek6:
"And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Paraclete, that he may abide with you into the age (to come)." 
John 14:16

Note: We often read the verse ending as; "with you for ever". However; "into the age" is the literal translation of the Greek phrase; `eis ton aiona', used by John.

What really do you think the age to come mean?
Are we already in this age to come?

The age to come is speaking about the days after resurrection (that's where the term forever come from)

umarshek6:
These two verses by John clearly demonstrate that Jesus Christ, while speaking of "another Paraclete", was speaking of the coming of "another male figure" like himself, some time in the future, after his departure. The passage quoted below also confirms that the original concept among the noted Christian scholars and populace, for the "Paraclete" was for the coming of a "male figure", but that concept was later confused with the "Holy Spirit". Here is an extract from the world renowned and distinguished Anchor Bible Volume 29A:

Male figure!?
Do we use Masculine or Feminine for God?
And yet God is not a Man!
Would Christ have used the word " it" or "she" for the Holy Spirit?

But Jesus said that His disciple ALREADY knew this Paraclete (600 years before Mohammed ). How do you reconcile this?

umarshek6:
"The word parakletos is peculiar in the NT to the Johnannine literature. In 1John ii1 Jesus is a parakletos (not a title), serving as a heavenly intercessor with the Father. ...Christian tradition has identified this figure (Paraclete) as the Holy Spirit, but scholars like Spitta, Delafosse, Windisch, Sasse, Butlmann and Betz have doubted whether this identification is true to the original picture and have suggested that the Paraclete was once an independent salvific figure, later confused with the Holy Spirit." (page 1135).

Can I quorlte Shekau as an example of eminent Muslim scholar?

You know that scholars don't mean a thing because one can find muslim scholars who promote and justify homosexuality and terrorism. Apart from that, I have never heard of them if the even exist.

The original Greek is available, let who ever write use it and not what some obscure people wrote.

Also, the question remains that who is the Holy Spirit?
Islam says its Jubril
Christian say hebis God

Our definitions are certainly different.

umarshek6:
The Bible tells us that Jesus Christ, besides being a "Messiah" was also a prophet like Moses, by his own admission. Please see John 5:46 and 9:17. Hence to say that the coming of "another Paraclete" was similar to the coming of "another Prophet" like Jesus and Moses, would not be inaccurate. OTOH, the concept of "Holy Spirit" is unequivocally negated by the following verse:

Jesus Christ was many things and Christians do not dispute that
Jesus is the Word of God
Jesus is the Son of God
Jesus is the Son of Man
Jesus is the Beginning and the End
Jesus is a suffering Servant
Jesus is a Prophet
Jesus is the Way, the Truth and Life
Etc

umarshek6:
"But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Paraclete shall not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you." John 16:7

This verse clearly tells us that the coming of the Paraclete was subject to the departure of Jesus. Whereas, the "Holy Spirit" was already present. It was in existence since the day of the Creation and was hovering upon the surface of the earth (Genesis 1:2). It was also present with the prophets of the Old Testament. The "Holy Spirit" happened to be present at River Jordan when Jesus Christ was being Baptised by John the Baptist, in the early part of his ministry. So, how could Jesus say; "but if I go, I will send Holy Spirit"?

The fact that the Paraclete will live in the Disciples negate your argument above.
The fact that the Disciples ALREADY knew the Paraclete support that the Paraclete is the Holy Spirit while also negating the assertion that it is Mohammed.

umarshek6:
"When the Paraclete comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, that is the Spirit of Truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness of me." John 15:26


This above verse clears the confusion. The Paraclete is called the "Spirit of Truth" and not the "Holy Spirit". These are two separate terms and two independent entities. The first takes the pronoun "he" being a male figure, whereas, the second one takes the pronoun "it".

"But the Paraclete, the Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you." John 14:26

Do Muslims agree that Jesus was the one who send down Mohammed?
The Holy Spirit has many names such as
-the Spirit of God
-the Holy Spirit
-the Comforter
-the Spirit of Truth
Etc

Apart from that, we know when the Holy Spirit came down INTO/INSIDE the Disciples
Acts2:1-4
When the day of Pentecost came, they were all together in one place. 2 Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3 They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them. 4 All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues[a] as the Spirit enabled them.
So, there was no way it could have been Mohammed.

umarshek6:
Note: 
1. In the older MSS, Codex Syriacus discovered in 1812 on Mount Sinai by Mrs.Agnes S. Lewis (and Mrs. Bensley), the text of 14:26 reads; "Paraclete, the Spirit"; and not "Paraclete, the Holy Spirit". "The Spirit" is a reference to "the Spirit of Truth" as in 15:26.

I don't know where you got this!

umarshek6:
2. The word spirit, Greek. `pneu'ma', is of neutral gender and takes pronoun "it". Whereas, in almost all the verses referring to Paraclete quoted above and below, the pronoun used is "he".

God is a Spirit: we call Him HE (masculine)
Angels are Spirits we use HE for them
Demons are Spirits we use HE for them

Wrong argument!

umarshek6:
3. In 1 John 4:6, the terms "the spirit of truth" and "the spirit of error" are used for the human beings.

The term spirit of truth is never used for Hunan beings
The spirit of error refers to SATAN.
Are human beings called spirits?

umarshek6:
4. History records that prophet Muhammad was known for his Truth and Honesty, long before he received the Revelations.

So, the fact that he is trustworthy has made Mohammed a spirit?

umarshek6:
Jesus Christ did indicate what the Paraclete to come will do in his time. Did prophet Muhammad do those things? Let's examine;

1. "But when he, the Spirit of Truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth; for he will not speak on his own initiative, but whatever he hears, he will speak..." Jn.16:13

Let me give you 2 scriptures to show the deliberate lies of your people.

Lk24:48
And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but wait in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.

Acts1:4
Once when he was eating with them, he commanded them, "Do not leave Jerusalem until the Father sends you the gift he promised, as I told you before.


Was Jesus asking the disciples to wait for 600 years in Jerusalem?

So you see the conjecture of lies

umarshek6:
Note: The Quran is a compilation of the "Divine Revelations" that were received by prophet Muhammad, over a period of 23 years, through the[b] arch angel Gabriel. [/b]The prophet used to recite whatever he used to hear. Prophet's companions used to write down whatever was recited. The Quran does not contain the writings or teachings of or by Muhammad, as often mentioned by some misinformed authors.

Did Mohammed recite the Qur'an? Yes!
Was it by Angel Gabriel? I don't think so! Why?

The spirit who strangled Mohammed when he was commanded to read/recite did not introduce himself. Did he? It took the combination of Waraqa and Kajidja to convince Mohammed that it was Jubril.

Abi? Did the spirit identify itself to Mohammed?

umarshek6:
2. "He shall glorify me." John 16:14

Note: The Quran glorifies the birth of Jesus through Virgin Mary. The Quran also confirms, Jesus was a Messiah; a Messenger of God; the Spirit from God; the Word of God and the Righteous Prophet.

Glorify Me! Not glorify the works and attributes

Maybe another thing is do can a person glorify a Man?
Do you really think Mohammed glorified a Man Jesus?

Is their any prophet you know that is worthy to be glorified when he is not God?

umarshek6:
3. "He shall take mine and shall disclose it to you." Jn.16:14

Note: Muhammad did declare himself a Messenger of God like Abraham, Moses and Jesus.

I have already shown you a few of the differences between the teachings of Jesus and Mohammed.

Jesus said love your enemies: Mohammed says kill enemies of Islam

umarshek6:
4. "He will teach you all things." John 14:26

Note: The Quran teaches a way of life. It guides mankind, how to live a pious life socially, politically and spiritually.

Since Mohammed is not God he cannot teach us ALL things only God can do that

umarshek6:
5. "He will bring to your remembrance all that I said to you." Jn.14:26

Note: The Quran speaks about the teaching of the righteous Jesus and even quotes him.

Mohammed spoke what he thought about Jesus.
If Mohammed cannot repeat the basics of Jesus preaching, how can it be said that he brings to remembrance ALL that Jesus taught.

The Most Basic of Jesus teaching was the Gospel (good news). So,
What is the gospel (good news ) that Mohammed taught

umarshek6:
6. "He will bear witness of me" John 15:26

Note: The Quran attests the miracles performed by Jesus the Messiah. It also mentions one astonishing miracle performed by Jesus that the Gospel writers have not recorded. The Quran acknowledges that these miracles and signs were performed with the leave of Allah, by His righteous Servant and Messiah Jesus. The same is also attested in the Book of Acts 2:22; 3:13 (NASB).

As if Mohammed discovered the miracles by himself. Was it not in the Injeel?

To bear witness that Jesus was the Messiah?
I guess you don't know that the Messiah means Anointed Saviour!

umarshek6:
Prophet Isaiah is considered to be one of the major prophets of the Old Testament. In the Book of Isaiah there are several prophecies about the coming of the Messiah. In chapter 42, Isaiah begins with a prophecy for the coming of prophet Jesus. After verse number nine, God declares through Isaiah, the "new things" that are to "spring forth" in the Land of Kedar.

In the Bible there is only one personality called Kedar. He was the grandson of prophet Abraham, through his son Ishmael (see Gen.25:13). Kedar's descendants had settled in Paran (Syno-Arabian dessert). In the Rabbinic literature Arabia is called the "Land of Kedar". Prophet Muhammad was a descendant of Kedar.

God declares through Isaiah;

"Behold, the former things are come to pass, and the new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them. `Sing unto the Lord a new song, and his praise from the end of the earth'. Let the wilderness and the cities thereof lift up their voices, the villages that Kedar doth inhabit: let the inhabitants of the rock sing, let them shout from the top of the mountains. Let them give glory unto the Lord, and declare His praise in the inlands." Chapter 42, Verses 9-12.

God did reveal in the Land of Kedar, through prophet Muhammad - a direct descendant of Kedar, a "New Song" - The Qur'an (Koran). This happens to be the only Scripture to be revealed in the language of the Kedarites. The verses of the Qur'an are recited like a poem. Nearly 1.2 billion Muslims, residing all over the world, recite this "new song" and Glorify Allah, in their daily prayers, five times in a day. The initial Revelation came to prophet Muhammad in a cave of Mount Hira near the city of Mecca. There are several mountains near Mecca. During the annual Islamic Pilgrimage called "Hajj", Muslims from all over the world, assemble in Mecca and shout Glory to the Lord from the top of Mount Arafat. The pilgrims continuously give Glory to Allah on their ways, to and from Mecca.

"The Lord shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies." Verse 13.

In the Old Testament the God often speaks "I" will do this, or "I" have done this; whereas, He has chosen human beings like us, to do these jobs. (see 2 Samuel 12:7-12). Muhammad did go forth as a mighty prophet of Allah, did stir up jealousy among the most influential and dominating tribe of the pagan Arabs in Arabia. Finally with a war cry and roar, Muhammad did prevail upon the enemies of Lord - the idolaters, fulfilling the above prophecy.

"I have long time holden my peace; I have been still, and refrained myself, now will I cry like a travailing woman; I will destroy and devour at once." Verse 14.

The prophets that came before Muhammad had all tried with peaceful missions. But, the concept of sharing God's Glory continued to surface again and again, in one way or other. It was with the war cry, through the descendants of Kedar (Arabs), these sinful practices were destroyed and devoured, inside and outside of Arabia. The spread of Islam was swift, wide spread and at once.

"And I will bring the blind by a way they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known; I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. These things I will do unto them, and not forsake them." Verse 16.

It is an undeniable fact that before the advent of Islam, the pagan Arabs were like the blinds. Their religious and social concepts were crooked. The revelation of this "new song" brought them out of that darkness. Earlier, God had not sent any prophet to these people. By sending Muhammad, God fulfilled His above promise and also the following promise to Abraham;

"And also of the son of the bondwoman I will make a nation, because he is thy seed." Genesis 21:13.

Please note the word "also" in above promise. The nations of Judaism and Christianity came out from the descendants of Abraham and Sarah. The nation of Islam came out from the descendants of Abraham and Hagar. Judaism, Christianity and Islam are three children of Abraham by God's Covenants with Abraham.

This also fulfils the following prophecy by Jesus;

"Howbeit when he, the Spirit of Truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth; for he shall not speak of himself; but what soever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you thing to come." John 16:13

For further details about "the Paraclete" and "the Spirit of Truth" please see Section 1 of this article.

"They shall be turned back, they shall be greatly ashamed, that trust in graven images; they say to the molten images, `Ye are our gods.'" Isaiah 42 Verse 17.

History records that Prophet Muhammad did put the pagan idolaters to great shame when he demolished before them, their 365 idols that were installed in Ka'bah (Mecca), the most respected place of pilgrimage in the whole of Arabia. Today, Ka'bah is the Grand Mosque of Islam. Muslims from all over the world face towards Ka'bah while reciting their daily ritual prayers.‎

I guess if you allude this amount of scriptures supporting Mohammed, then you lie by saying the Bible has been altered. If the same bible preaches about Mohammed and you reject the message, because it contradicts the Quran.

Have you ever considered it that the God of the Jews and their prophets is different from Allah?
That is the reason why Allah hates the Jews so much.

I expect you to do justice to the questions I posted in the previous post.

[quote author=shadeyinka post=61521441]Characteristics of the Παράκλητον
1. He will be with Jesus disciples forever.
Mohammed is dead, so he doesn't qualify
Ans: he teachings still lives in heart of men



2.The Παράκλητον is also called the Spirit of truth
Mohammed is NOT a Spirit is he?


Ans:spirit don't exist without a vessel or host

3. The world (unbelievers) cannot see Him nor know Him
Mohammed fought unbelievers. They know him when he was alive

Ans: he didn't reveal him self as prophet until Allah asked him to

4. This Παράκλητον was already known by the disciples at the time Jesus was speaking to them.

Ans: that's a big fat lie

Mohammed was born almost 600 years after so, he cannot qualify

Ans:did jesus come imediatly after moses prophesied

5.This Παράκλητον lives INSIDE the Disciples
Does Mohammed live inside people?

Ans:yes his teachings,physic

The next verse you quoted is lengthy for you to get the information but here it is

Wiyh out repeating the earlier points
1. Jesus is the one sending the Παράκλητον to the disciples.

Ans: no, it was God
He said he. Will pray to his father

If Jesus sends Mohammed, are you agreeing that Jesus is greater than Mohammed?

Ans: no

2. The Παράκλητον will bring messages of Jesus to people.

Example: Love your enemies, do good to those who cheat you amongst others. I hate divorce!

Ans:yes he did that

Tell me if Mohammed preached the messages of Jesus (I know you will start saying oneness of Allah as if the Jews worshipped several gods)

Finally


1. Jesus sends the Παράκλητον to His disciples
You agree that Jesus sends Mohammed?

Ans: no, it was God
He said he. Will pray to his father



2.The Παράκλητον is from the Father
How come Mohammed does not know the Father if he is from the Father?
Does He?

Ans:he glorifies him

Everything Allah created gives glory to him including you but I will tell how becoz I knw u wuld ask me how


3. The Παράκλητον is a Spirit
Mohammed is flesh and blood

Ans:spirit do not exist without host


4. The Παράκλητον is a Spirit who goes out from the Father
Show me a human being who is called or referred to as a spirit?
Ans:becoz dey in line


If Mohammed fulfills 70% of these characteristics (in the scripture), we may take him seriously but failing almost 100%?!
Ans: he fullfiled all d prophecy

Why did u jump d. Last part of d info i posted,and your questions are sentimental

You worshipping GOD is not going to benefits me it's for own Good but it's your right upon me to let you know


I just wanted to let you that sir b4 we continue sir

WaAllahua'allam

shadeyinka:
My problem with them has to do with an attempt to rewrite history and terms to suit Islam at the expense of the truth.

Even though they know it as a fact that Christians do not claim they worship three gods but they have been brainwashed into accepting their own version of story still insinuating polytheism to Christians.

Quran started it though by redefining Trinity as God, Jesus and Mary instead of Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit was redefined as Angel Gabriel as if other angels are "unholy".

You will observe that they rarely insinuate that Christians worship angel Gabriel because they know that they do not have enough evidence cooked up to class Jubril as " the Holy Spirit".

Islam agrees usually with everything in the Bible that has nothing to do with Salvation and Gods plan for salvation but opposes everything that has to do with salvation.

They oppose salvation for that will make Muslims seek out to be saved. Satan doesntt want people escaping from him, so he has put modalities in place to keep them back.

If Muslims believe in salvation, Muhammed wouldn't have one single follower.