Igyeseh:

You judge him to quick please. Allow him to come and clear the air himself.
I have had some dealings with him and I can confidently and publicly say that he is not fake.
He knows what he is doing, so condemning him online won't be acceptable by me.
If there are fake babalows out there, I won't deny, but this particular one we are discussing here isn't a fake, a scam or a fraud because I have interacted with him physically.
Am speaking out of experience.

Babalawos:
Thank you for your compliment and testimony. I so much appreciate it, the Irunmoles appreciates it. Most people do not like to affiliate themselves with Babalawos publicly because of the stigma that goes with it but for you do so?

When you call, ten will answer even your enemies will answer.

Wisdom is better than wealth and riches, better than silver and gold. May Orunmila give you wisdom, knowledge and understanding whenever you cry to Orunmila.

It is a taboo for a child of Ogun to die by accident, cutlass or knife. May Ogun protect you from accident, cutlass and knife whenever you cry to Ogun.

When a child cries, the mother answers. May Aiyalala protect you from all injustice and avenge you whenever you cry to Her. Anyone that curse you will receive the curse x100.

The sea never run dry of wealth and riches. May you never run dry of wealth and riches whenever you cry to Olokun.

Ase

Sarassin:
Babalawos, this is the most appalling post I have ever had directed against my person on Nairaland. Let me be clear I am neither Zenlife nor Iditaboy,
I have no other monikers on Nairaland and on the evidence of the nonsense of these pages, I will soon have none

Sarassin:
I have never had any issues with you to my knowledge,
I posted a comment on a thread of yours a couple of days ago where I asked for a method on something or the other to do with dreams, you replied me and I left the thread,
I addressed you courteously as I try to do with all fellow posters on these pages,
other posters asked me to elucidate on the topic, out of respect for you, I declined.
That has been the extent of my interaction with you on NL

Sarassin:
I logged on this site today to find a most malicious tirade directed against my person by yourself totally unprovoked and unjustified, I take these extremely seriously.
You maintain that I, using an alternate moniker have stalked you,
what is the basis of such an egregious claim?
you claim that I asked you for a divinatory consultation and could not afford the paltry fee you charge.
I am not sure which of these accusations is the more ludicrous,
whether it is that I, a classically trained sorcerer will seek out a traditionalist
or whether it was that of your fees, of which the lowest value coins lolling about on my desk here will pay several times over!

Sarassin:
Look sir, I am not in competition with you,
I do not know you,
we do not share the same sphere,
we do not even reside on the same continent,
your tirade towards me betrays a deep seated issue,
how is it that you can arbitrarily and peremptorily decide to launch such an assault against me without foundation?
what exactly is your problem with me?

Sarassin:
You should face your accusers and leave me out of your tawdry affairs.
You ought to have carried out a divination to ascertain matters before deciding to poke me in the eyes.

Sarassin:
you have made a grave error.
You are a practitioner, you know the rules, an apology is in order,
I have right of way, and I shall not ask thrice

Babalawos:
Accept my apologies,
I was very angry by false accusations of Zenlife. You are a practitioner,
you of all people should know anger doesnt allow the spirits to get through for divination.
So, I couldnt divine before posting because I was angry.
I dont take false accusations lightly

Babalawos:
I have offered my free spiritual services like free divination, free dream interpretations, free occult teachings... etc to members of this forum.

I never asked anyone for money on Sex Magick Thread.
Then, why is Zenlife falsly accusing me of fraud on Sex Magick Thread when he was never my client in the first place,
he could not afford my divination fee of 2,500 naira?

I have offered several IFA and other forms of divination privately for free for those that have manners but certaining not for Zenlife;
he lacks manners and yet he cant afford 2,500 naira but pours his frustrations, anger, hatred... etc on my threads.
Am I the one that made him poor? Or am I the cause of his frustrations in life?

Dont forget, you attacked me on my thread some couple of days ago
h t tp://www.nairaland.com/4084293/reincarnation-proof-how-remember-past

And this new attack coming up here again on Sex Magick Thread.
It is human to think you have alternate accounts

Babalawos:
I will leave you alone and face Zenlife, Iditaboy and others.
Thanks for your time

Babalawos:
I will not use most of IFA terms to reply you so that non-initiate can fully understand what I am saying.

This is the most ignorant post I have ever read from someone claiming to be Babalawo. You skillfully avoided my Odu IFA interpretation question on my IFA Oracle video. You know IFA interpretation shows how skillful a babalawo is.

You literally lack history of Africa and you should go for history lesson. Tribes in Africa are deeply connected than you think. Stop monopolizing IFA to a single group in Nigeria. Visit this link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benin_Empire

The colonial masters brought alot of separation among Africans, we are still suffering from it effect to this very day. The ealier you get over this single group mentality, the better for you.

IFA is far beyond a single group. Before you comment wrongly, kindly read the several and different origin of IFA here and tell me which one is more accurate: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ifa

So for you to claim African Tradition Religion to a single ethnic group in Africa is blaspheming.

The above information are public information, visit the above link before you read my personal information.

You claim only Aboru Aboye Abosise is the only true words used in the Yoruba land right?

Is Ondo state not a Yorubaland? Because when I was initiated as Aiyelala Priest at the major shrine of Aiyelala were Aiyelala was originally founded in Ondo State after I finished my Aiyelala rigorous training. Aiyelala Iboru Iboya, Iboru Iboya, Iboru Iboya were chanted repeatedly during the cause of my Aiyelala priest initiation and not Aboru Aboye Abosise.

These were renowned Babalawos who were priests of Aiyelala that conducted my Aiyelala Priest initiation. Some of these Babalawos are above 60 years old and they have been practicing IFA more than 30 years. Are you now saying you are more wiser and clever than these Babalawos?

Are you now saying you know more than these Babalawos? No matter how wise or intelligent a young Babalawo is, he must pay homage to elderly Babalawos. You of all people should know that.

African Tradition Religion is going into extinction, quote anywhere. How many African traditional kings and queens are Christians? Christian African Traditional rulers are increasing everyday and you are here telling me ATR is not going into extinction. I visited a reputable traditional palace in western part of Nigeria and I was shocked to see them do morning Christian devotion in the morning at the palace. I was totally disappointed.

Do you know how many Babalawos children and wives goes to churches? Just be honest for once. Have you watched some Pastor Chris crusade and other popular Christian clergies crusades? Do you see those crowds or you dont have television in your house? How many ATR crusades have you seen with such crowds? Christianity has taken over!

Our brothers and sisters were sold from Africa as slaves against their will to countries like USA, Brazil... etc and they took their religion with them and their religion had been passed down to them from words of mouth from one generation to the other. Although their original religion just like every other religion got corrupted along it way down but that is not the reason for you to completely write them off. You must be very greedy to do so and Orunmila preaches against greed!

You lied when you said there are situations, otura / odi.. etc are pronounced that way trying to make your answer right. Can you post these situations were they were pronounced differently?

Let me burst you open here; some IFA priesthood only pronounce Idi while others pronounce it as Odi, same with Otura / Etura or Ika / Eka or Ofun / Orogun or Ọlọgbọn / Oturupọn / Eturukpon... etc. Yoruba readers, abeg are these names pronounced the same way in Yoruba? Lets be honest to ourselves here. How does Ofun sound like Orogon in the mouth? The IFA priest pronounced it the way he was taught by his IFA priest and his IFA priest teaches him the way he was taught by his predecessors. That is how the chain goes. Although the IFA priest knows of the alternate names to these Odus but he was taught that those alternate Odu names are not the best way to pronounce those Odus just like what you saying here about Aboru Aboye Abosise.

You owe Orunmila and the Irunmoles apologies for making other religion like Christians, Muslims... etc laugh their traditions.

MuttleyLaff:
All are interested to read your responses to the "Obatala' and Ifa" photo query, IditaBoy says was taken in their compound.

Babalawos:
Zenlife was never my client and his information I posted here on Sex Magick Thread were already an available public information on nairaland that can be accessible by anyone from anywhere. My client confidentiality was never posted here. I will never break the laws of silence over an acquirement.

Babalawos:
Accept my apologies, I was very angry by false accusations of Zenlife. You are a practitioner, you of all people should know anger doesnt allow the spirits to get through for divination. So, I couldnt divine before posting because I was angry. I dont take false accusations lightly.

I have offered my free spiritual services like free divination, free dream interpretations, free occult teachings... etc to members of this forum.

I never asked anyone for money on Sex Magick Thread. Then, why is Zenlife falsly accusing me of fraud on Sex Magick Thread when he was never my client in the first place, he could not afford my divination fee of 2,500 naira?

I have offered several IFA and other forms of divination privately for free for those that have manners but certaining not for Zenlife; he lacks manners and yet he cant afford 2,500 naira but pours his frustrations, anger, hatred... etc on my threads. Am I the one that made him poor? Or am I the cause of his frustrations in life?

Dont forget, you attacked me on my thread some couple of days ago https://www.nairaland.com/4084293/reincarnation-proof-how-remember-past

And this new attack coming up here again on Sex Magick Thread. It is human to think you have alternate accounts.

I will leave you alone and face Zenlife, Iditaboy and others.

Thanks for your time

Babalawos:
Accept my apologies, I was very angry by false accusations of Zenlife. You are a practitioner, you of all people should know anger doesnt allow the spirits to get through for divination. So, I couldnt divine before posting because I was angry. I dont take false accusations lightly.

I have offered my free spiritual services like free divination, free dream interpretations, free occult teachings... etc to members of this forum.

I never asked anyone for money on Sex Magick Thread. Then, why is Zenlife falsly accusing me of fraud on Sex Magick Thread when he was never my client in the first place, he could not afford my divination fee of 2,500 naira?

I have offered several IFA and other forms of divination privately for free for those that have manners but certaining not for Zenlife; he lacks manners and yet he cant afford 2,500 naira but pours his frustrations, anger, hatred... etc on my threads. Am I the one that made him poor? Or am I the cause of his frustrations in life?

Dont forget, you attacked me on my thread some couple of days ago https://www.nairaland.com/4084293/reincarnation-proof-how-remember-past

And this new attack coming up here again on Sex Magick Thread. It is human to think you have alternate accounts.

I will leave you alone and face Zenlife, Iditaboy and others.

Thanks for your time

Chubhie:
zenlife, if you are still alive and well, kindly confirm if the haggling took place publicly.

MuttleyLaff:
You must be joking
Dont you even try it, dont even attempt try any nonsense of soon deactivating your monker, mba, mba.
Kill the thought, my dear friend

Ishilove:
Anyone who calls Babalawos a scammer or fraudster should do well to post incontrovertible proof or otherwise forever shut their yak up. It is very easy to sit in your house and type rubbish because of easy internet access.

I am not a practitioner of ATR, and I will never be but we should have respect for people's beliefs. This man has always been courteous, and doesn't hide where his shrine is, and if his 2,500 divination fee is too much for your lean pockets then go to church and receive deliverance from the spirit of poverty of your father's house.

Arrant nonsense.

Chubhie:

Sarassin:


Thank you my friend, I just found it a little disconcerting that somebody having a bad hair day will get up before the crack of dawn to pass ill-thought out comments about me as well as implicit threats. The gentleman has apologised and the matter is forgotten. Thanks

Chubhie:
zenlife, if you are still alive and well, kindly confirm if the haggling took place publicly.

MuttleyLaff:
I dont think zenlife needs to bother
because it wasnt haggling at all, it was a wind-up and good-natured teasing

Babalawos:


For you to say sex magick originated from satanism shows you know nothing about occultism. You are still a neophyte!

The origin of sex magick is not satanism. Sex magick has been in existence long before the existence of Christianity.

Alex Crowley the founder of satanism only change the name of sex magic to sex magick so that neophytes like you can easily distinguish it from magic tricks.

Alex Crowley the founder of satanism studied sex magick from various esoteric sources like ancient Hindu scripts, Buddhist scripts, Egyptian holy scripts and Kaballa.

Sex magick goes far beyond Kaballa which mostly uses it to empower sigils or seals or talismans or amulets.

In Hindu Occultism, sex magick is mostly used to raise the kundalini (life force).

Sex magick can be found in different religion and occults fraternities.

You have alot to learn in Occultism.

In ATR, sex magick is used along side with herbs which I stated how to use it clearly on this thread with Osanyin leaves and Osanyin incantation.

The aspect of my teaching of sex magick with candle and the human mind is simply candle magick.

We all have used candle magick consciously or unconsciously either by birthday wishes on candle.

Or candle cross over night held in various churches worldwide where candles are ignited by 12:00 mid night on 31st December in the church and your new year prayers are said on the candle. That's candle magick.

Those Christians that said their new year prayers on their candle with strong convictions (faith) will have their prayers answered (manifest) that new year while others that said theirs with doubts (unbelieve) will have theirs unanswered (unmanifested) that year.

Thank you for reading, leave your comments

Babalawos

Babalawos:
Thank you for your compliment and testimony. I so much appreciate it, the Irunmoles appreciates it. Most people do not like to affiliate themselves with Babalawos publicly because of the stigma that goes with it but for you do so?

When you call, ten will answer even your enemies will answer.

Wisdom is better than wealth and riches, better than silver and gold. May Orunmila give you wisdom, knowledge and understanding whenever you cry to Orunmila.

It is a taboo for a child of Ogun to die by accident, cutlass or knife. May Ogun protect you from accident, cutlass and knife whenever you cry to Ogun.

When a child cries, the mother answers. May Aiyalala protect you from all injustice and avenge you whenever you cry to Her. Anyone that curse you will receive the curse x100.

The sea never run dry of wealth and riches. May you never run dry of wealth and riches whenever you cry to Olokun.

Ase

IditaBoy:


I am not interested in being dragged into the drama going on but that man has me very curious about his originality.

1. His thread on Eji Ogbe is very vague, lacks depth, generic and quite misleading.

2. Claiming to be a Babalawo and scraping a picture of Obatala kings/chiefs off the internet left me confused. What purpose was that supposed to serve? Graphic effects? For someone who put an Obatala kings' picture taken as far back as 2011/12 at my family compound but claims to be a Babalawo; how do we know the other videos and graphic stuff he has been bandying haven't been copied off of other places?

I had to call him out for mixing my compound stuff with practises of another compound - Obatala is far to Ifa, they're in no way the same.

ausproxi:

Aboru boye baba.
Baba please help me, exams has started already and I am yet to pay up. Edakun Eshaanu mi

Demigods666:



Roflmao, see babalawo the lecture satanist.

Dude, I became a satanist first before going into African traditional religion.

You cannot match with me. All you are doing here is Google copy and paste.

You have not done any practical, all this is just out of mere curiosity.

bitrhyme:


My brother demitouts666 sorry demigods666 is just a common thief and i have proofs here on nairaland, he does not worth your attention, he is just looking for cheap popularity so he can hide under your posts, then single out one victim and scam him or her that is if he has not done that already, announce it here on your thread o, demigods666 is a thief, a scammer, he has no address, no regular phone number, no legit contact, not even his face on whatsapp or anywhere yet he comes here to spit trash on your thread, please dont give him that chance he is something lesser than a fool, not even up to the level of a thief, he is just a tout, ignore him. Thank you.

Babalawos:
The picture I attached to the prayer I gave Ishilove was used merely for aesthetic pleasure and I wasn't necessarily claiming any association with the picture nor with anything or anyone featured in it.

Babalawos:
Please post your proofs of demigods666 here and let him defend himself

Babalawos:
How do you want me to help you?

Babalawos:
demigod666

Am I competing with you?

Why all these hate from you?

Your negative comments on my thread is uncalled for.

What exactly is your problem with me?

Don't you think it's high time you face bitrhyme and clear your name of being a scammer.

Ishilove:

Demigod666 is a notorious troll whose stock-in-trade is writing nonsense about different religions. He is well known in this section.

You will do well to pay him no mind.

Babalawos:
The picture I attached to the prayer I gave Ishilove was used merely for aesthetic pleasure and I wasn't necessarily claiming any association with the picture nor with anything or anyone featured in it.

Babalawos:
Please post your proofs of demigods666 here and let him defend himself

Babalawos:
How do you want me to help you?

Demigods666:



Roflmao, see babalawo the lecture satanist.

Dude, I became a satanist first before going into African traditional religion.

You cannot match with me. All you are doing here is Google copy and paste.

You have not done any practical, all this is just out of mere curiosity.