AlBaqir:

* GROUP/PARTY

Are groups like MSSN, TMC, TABLIGH, NASFAT, ANSARUDEEN etc also "SECT" in the definition of Aqeedah and Fiqh?

Quran 3:104 reads:

"And from among you there should be a PARTY who invite to good and enjoin what is right and forbid the wrong, and these it is that shall be successful."

The above Ayah talks about emergence of various "sects/groups" with a DEFINED RESPONSIBILITY of calling to "Good, and enjoin what is right and forbid the wrong". This is where the above-mentioned groups fall and at the end each one of them is surely belong to either Sunni, Salafi, Shia etc based on their Aqeedah (+fiqh).

shahydbinaliyu:
This is exactly the same thing that ASRAU BILAL, ISA AKINDELE QUOTE TO DEFEND THEIR KUFRU (HIZBIYUN, FIROQ, SECT, ISLAMIC GROUP, EGBE) . . . . .wAlai if you die bel0nging to an islamic affiliated sect, walai you wil stay forever in hell

shahydbinaliyu:
This is exactly the same thing that ASRAU BILAL, ISA AKINDELE QUOTE TO DEFEND THEIR KUFRU (HIZBIYUN, FIROQ, SECT, ISLAMIC GROUP, EGBE) . . . . .wAlai if you die bel0nging to an islamic affiliated sect, walai you wil stay forever in hell

Abdullah2892:

brother, calm down
this is not a recommended way of dawah by d profet
u don't say pple will stay in hell, are u d 1 in charge?
Fear Allah, his fataawas might be wrong which I know but some things are still true der.
At least, he mention followung quran wa sunnah.
We know dat sects is not d best fin in Islam mostly d way dey re nowadays but den even if ure sect, wat is expected of any muslim is to follow d quran and sunnah as understood by d faithful predecessors, ur name, ur grp is nt d problem
but ur aqeedah and mnahaj

and Brother, pls don't do takfeer for pple just like dat for Allah sake
Allah might change him later even if he ia shia, and u knw dat hadith dat if u call sm1 member of hell and he was later pardoned by Allah, ull b d member of hell
Allahu Mustaan

DaBillionnaire:


please, i will like you to define the activities of this groups
and compare them to the correct ways of practicing the
deen and let's see if they go against or not.

Temilayhor:
Allah Knows Best.

AlBaqir:


NB: This thread is NOT interested in examine the
correctness or wrongness of their activities as some might
want to submit, rather it only wish to state clearly the
definition of SECT/FACTION as different from a mere
GROUP/PARTY.

# SECT OR FACTIONS like AhluSunnah, Shia, Salafi etc preached Aqeedah (beliefs) and Fiqh (jurisprudence) different from each other. All of them are definitely among the 73 sects that the Prophet says his Ummah will be divided into.

# GROUP/PARTY like Nasfat, Ansarudeen, MSSN etc primarily belong in their Aqeedah and Fiqh, to one of the abovementioned SECTS/FACTIONS (i.e Sunni, Shia, Salafi etc) therefore are NOT "SECT" but "GROUP, PARTY OR ASSOCIATION" with a defined activities. We have established this fact with Quran 3: 104.

AGAIN, whether they are right or wrong, is not the scope of this thread.

budosky:


قولك هذا هو قولٌ مبني على الكذب، والظلم، وقلة العلم الصحيحة، وافتراء على الله سبحانه

AlBaqir:


# If you think the definition is based on lies, and lack of proper understanding, then, you are free to present yours. Simple as that.

budosky:


أن لن أحاور الشيعي ام الرافضي مثلك أبداً… حتى تؤمن بالّله وحده وأن محمد عبده ورسوله... فإذا فعلت ذالك، سوف يصح الجلسة والحوار معك
!…

Abdullah2892:

brother, calm down
this is not a recommended way of dawah by d profet
u don't say pple will stay in hell, are u d 1 in charge?
Fear Allah, his fataawas might be wrong which I know but some things are still true der.
At least, he mention followung quran wa sunnah.
We know dat sects is not d best fin in Islam mostly d way dey re nowadays but den even if ure sect, wat is expected of any muslim is to follow d quran and sunnah as understood by d faithful predecessors, ur name, ur grp is nt d problem
but ur aqeedah and mnahaj

and Brother, pls don't do takfeer for pple just like dat for Allah sake
Allah might change him later even if he ia shia, and u knw dat hadith dat if u call sm1 member of hell and he was later pardoned by Allah, ull b d member of hell
Allahu Mustaan

AlBaqir:


* Shi'a and Rawafidha are obviously your eternal problem. Unfortunately, we are not discussing Shiism here so its of no use replying you on that.

It's funny though It's like you are just learning Arabic. This is an English thread/forum faah. Let people see your thoughts on the subject matter.

budosky:


يا هذا، هل عرفت انّ التكفير من وقع فى الكفر، وتبديع من وقع فى البدع، والتفسيق من وقع فى الفسقِ بعد شروطهم واردة فى فى الإسلام؟

shahydbinaliyu:
This is exactly the same thing that ASRAU BILAL, ISA AKINDELE QUOTE TO DEFEND THEIR KUFRU (HIZBIYUN, FIROQ, SECT, ISLAMIC GROUP, EGBE) . . . . .wAlai if you die bel0nging to an islamic affiliated sect, walai you wil stay forever in hell

budosky:

ههههههههههه

Raintaker:
Ogbeni, the way you type shows you are immature.
This is a strictly English Forum.