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KingEbukasBlog:
Of course there are religions that are non-theistic who have no God figure as their reason or source of morality but this does not change the fact morality has been from a religious standpoint not a philosophical one since the beginning of human existence .

In fact , morality from a non-theistic religious standpoint stemmed from an already existing theistic religious standpoint as we can see in non-theistic religions like Buddhism , Confucianism etc .

You have made no reason , not even just an empty claim that man being a moral agent is a philosophical one

butterflyl1on:
Kingebukasblog do you see it?

The guy is a submissive perve. He derives some insane pleasure through humiliation.

KingEbukasBlog:
Damn , Ive been there Thank God Im out . Lol. Jokes aside , I wish you the best in your exams man

Nice one

Dalam0n:
Moral agency is a philosophical classification and NOT a religious one. A moral agent is simply a person
a being who is capable of acting with reference to right and wrong according to wikipedia.

The classification that man is a moral agent is a philosophical classification.

The claim that morality stems from religion or that morality points to any God isn't universally accepted. So what exactly are you on about?

KingEbukasBlog:
He even corrected you . Chai . It proves that he is not really seeking truth from his threads , its just a way of satisfying his perverse pleasures of being humiliated and made inferior .

hopefulLandlord:
I'm a building technologist

and I have no idea how you mean by your first question, are you saying any atheist that doesn't accept evolution is not really an atheist or what?

ifenes:
Building technologist, can you go in details if you can. I suppose you must think those buildings you build are real.

If you don't agree with Evolution, you ain't really an Athiest, are you ?

KingEbukasBlog:
Your argument is apparently circular : Man being a moral agent is a philosophical claim because man as a moral agent is a philosophical classification .

And by the way I gave numerous reasons why man being a moral agent is a religious truth that is universally accepted while you have been moving in circles .

KingEbukasBlog:
Just admit you were wrong about telling me that I was wrong because clearly the 'discovery' was in quote .

JackBizzle:
How far? I think we should be doing more threads like this. Seriously. I thoroughly enjoyed this thread, especially page one where you were chewed for trying to lie about the definition of "indoctrination".


What other topic should we debate on?

hopefulLandlord:
interesting read

butterflyl1on:
Kindly stop disrupting.
To understand any word. Go to its source.
View the attached and stop disrupting
This is from Merriam Webster dictionary

wirinet:
What i summarized is just a tip of the ice berg, my life story would make a Hollywood blockbuster. It is similar to Mowgli of Jungle Book. Not that i was raised by wolves, but i got introduced to civilization a bit late.

Let me make you laugh a bit;

When i was eventually brought to our family house in Lagos as a puny 6 year old in the 70s, i had enough lice in my head to shame a small termite colony. The next day my Aunt (my father's senior sister) held me down and use insecticide to flit my head. The lice all fell out but the pain was out of this world.

KingEbukasBlog:
When I was reading through your post and I saw this what came to my mind was our mirror neurons which allow us to mimic or learn by mimicking just anything from behavior to life style . That's why they say surround yourself with the right people because they intend to subtly influence us . Our mirror neurons allow for subtle influence from the outside world . And the mirror neurons in the brains of children are very active , mimicking the behavior of the parents , internalizing their beliefs , ideologies etc subtly .

So this means that one does not necessarily need to be direct about indoctrinating his child , the mirror neurons are there for the subtle or indirect way of doing that .

KingEbukasBlog:
Just admit you were wrong about telling me that I was wrong because clearly the 'discovery' was in quote .

budaatum:
KingEbukasBlog had previously mentioned Empedocles pre-dating Darwin on evolution. He also mentioned some others who equally pre-date Darwin. Darwin just 'followed others', as he correctly stated. Darwin renewed the idea for modern consumption.

KingEbukasBlog:
Dont't you know about Ancient Egypt and civilization ? Ancient Egyptians had the myriads of gods they worshiped and they were more advanced in knowledge and civilization than any other nation . What about the Greeks and their pantheon of gods ? The Hellenic polytheists - Aristotle , Pythagoras - all worshiped these gods and are still doyens in philosophy and mathematics - respected even in this modern era . Pythagoras even believed in mysticism and founded a religious cult - Pythagoreanism .

There are so many great minds that had different religious beliefs and what they believed did not inhibit their intellectual development .

But wait, atheists have just a handful of great minds throughout history of mankind . I think are up 10 great minds who are atheists.

Also note that Christianity , deism , theism and Hellenic polytheism own most of the great minds .

Lest I forget , I want to let you know that evolution isn't a modern scientific idea , very archaic in fact . The idea of Evolution started with the Mayan culture around 600 BC . Then came the Thales of Miletus (640–546 BC) who first came up with the idea that life came from water and there was the Greek philosopher Empedocles (493–435 BC) who is described as the father of evolutionary naturalism . Even the Hindus believed in evolution but in a more spiritual sense .

KingEbukasBlog:
Can I rest now ?

butterflyl1on:
You can say that again

When I began calling him Jumbo Dumbo he so loved it and even said he prefers I call him JUMBO JACK and he said it with such gusto.

KingEbukasBlog:
Very true

abduljabbar4:
Bro you are twisting things here. Indoctrination means brainwashing.

winner01:
I think the major issue is that most atheists here think atheism is the default state, they think atheism is immune from the indoctrination process.

butterflyl1on:
Where and when did I say it was the other way round?

This is what happens when somebody does not think a thread through and just opens a Christianity Vs atheism thread.

So let me break it down for you

Indoctrination simply means TO TEACH!

In no place did I say religion is not indoctrination (belief through teaching) what I said was that atheism is ALSO caused by indoctrination.

A major causal factor of atheism is the "secular indoctrination of a generation". A generation being found in each individual. For example, a man becomes an atheist and from him a future generation would spring forth so this man who is the first atheist represents a generation. He in turn would begin TO TEACH (indoctrinate) about what and how he arrived at being an atheist.

In 2013, a study found that academia was less likely to hire evangelical Christians due to discriminatory attitudes which in turn aided the indoctrination of atheism in schools.


https://townhall.com/columnists/rachelalexander/2013/06/10/suspicions-confirmed-academia-shutting-out-conservative-professors-n1616406/page/full

Some of this indoctrination was carried out through force as declared here by the university of cambridge


From the immediate past to today, Atheists have focused considerable efforts on the public schools in order to indoctrinate young people into atheistic beliefs.

The new atheists Richard Dawkins and Lawrence Krauss claim that children need state protection from religion/religion of children's parents.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/richard-dawkins-the-government-needs-to-protect-children-from-religion-and

Here is an extract from the website



In a nutshell what Dawkins said is that we need to teach (indoctrinate) our children with science over the Bible despite his first saying THERE SHOULD BE A BALANCE.

We have seen atheists even here on nairaland who hold firmly to evolutionalism over creationism simply because THEY HAVE BEEN INDOCTRINATED INTO DARWINISM.

Indoctrination is not a religious thing but indoctrination is found in ALL AREAS OF life including atheism. Just as I started off saying, indoctrination simply means TO TEACH and when one is not allowed to be taught a certain thing he or she would be thought something else as a replacement and in this case, atheism speaks of science, philosophy, etc and some are self indoctrinated while some are third party indoctrinated.

To further buttress my point, right here on nairaland a thread was opened talking about an atheist convention. Here is the thread


https://www.nairaland.com/4099120/official-announcement-board-atheist-society

In that convention a certain bill flavell (a white man) has been specially invited to help TEACH (INDOCTRINATE) Those who would attend and I believe that the reason a white man was specifically invited is because the host believes he knows something they do not know or he is more enlightened so needs to come and pass on the knowledge aka TEACH aka INDOCTRINATE about ROAD TO REASON.

so anyone who claims atheism is not indoctrination is simply deceiving his or herself

chemystery:
This is pointing out the insincerity and skewing of the true meaning of indoctrination by butterflyl1on with the motive of placing atheism in the same umbrella with Christianity.

Indoctrination simply means to teach (a person or group) to accept a set of beliefs with no room for criticism or consideration of whether what is being taught is right or wrong.

Teaching someone how to THINK deep, rationally or CRITICALLY cannot be defined as indoctrination since it gives room for logical reasoning, EVALUATION of data and facts before arriving at a conclusion.

CAPSLOCKED:

ALL MY LIFE,
I'VE NEVER KNOWN A MAN MORE ADDICTED TO LOSING LIKE YOU.
YOU'RE MORE THAN ADDICTED, LOSING IS IN YOUR DNA.
YOU SAY EVERYTHING WRONGLY AND DON'T EVER GET ANYTHING RIGHT.
YOUR ARGUMENTS ARE THE MOST FLAWED, AND I THINK YOU'RE THE DUMBEST IN THE LAND.
I USED TO THINK YOU'RE THE JOKER TYPE BUT I GOT TO LATER FIND OUT, THAT THIS IS THE REAL YOU.

YOUR SLAVE ANCESTORS ARE UNIMPRESSED.