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EmpressT:
Hmm... Those that have ears and eyes will be free from the ignorance of someone like you. You call the God who takes and giveth a terrorist? It is your wish my dear. I pray it wouldn't be too late for you to understand that the Almighty exists.

what about Allah?

Lolz! I am a christian. So, I don't know who Allah is ok. Well, some people say christians and muslims serve the same creator. Christian doctrines are totally different from the islamists just like other religions across the world. But one thing I know for sure is that Jesus Christ is the salvation of the world and without him nobody not even I can make heaven.

segunojo866:
what about Allah?

EmpressT:
Lolz! I am a christian. So, I don't know who Allah is ok. Well, some people say christians and muslims serve the same creator. Christian doctrines are totally different from the islamists just like other religions across the world. But one thing I know for sure is that Jesus Christ is the salvation of the world and without him nobody not even I can make heaven.

you are sounding like a child that thinks his father is the strongest man in the whole world.

My dear, you have your mouth to blab and I don't give a damn. So, whatever you think about God is your choice. I am a child in Christ and I love it. So, you expect meto be or think like an atheist as you claimed? Guy, whtaever you say na your ish ok. So, keep insulting...

segunojo866:
you are sounding like a child that thinks his father is the strongest man in the whole world.

EmpressT:
My dear, you have your mouth to blab and I don't give a damn. So, whatever you think about God is your choice. I am a child in Christ and I love it. So, you expect meto be or think like an atheist as you claimed? Guy, whtaever you say na your ish ok. So, keep insulting...

Christians!!!! when did i insult you? and stop calling me an atheist because am not or maybe not yet. Am an agnostic guy

sorry o. Segun, it is slightly the same. The reason God doesn't exists is best known to you. So, I don't know what you want me to say more man.

segunojo866:
Christians!!!! when did i insult you? and stop calling me an atheist because am not or maybe not yet. Am an agnostic guy

Goshen360:
Again, brother, you should tread softly and overload of undigested knowledge is nothing but like when you run your life with half truth and trying to justify with all kinds. Is everything okay with your soul? Im just curious to know since you started questioning (btw nothing wrong in questioning) the very tenants of faith rather than develop an inquisitive mind to learn or know and be willing to accept explanations. I hope I can help out!

Uncle Goshen.

EmpressT:
sorry o. Segun, it is slightly the same. The reason God doesn't exists is best known to you. So, I don't know what you want me to say more man.

it's not the same. Check the meaning of agnostic online

I know. I said almost the same.

segunojo866:
it's not the same. Check the meaning of agnostic online

sonofluc1fer:
Uncle Goshen.

How are you brother!

frosbel2:
The forged and fabricated ending of Mark which was not in the original manuscripts ;

"Now when he rose early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, from whom he had cast out seven demons. She went and told those who had been with him, as they mourned and wept. But when they heard that he was alive and had been seen by her, they would not believe it. After these things he appeared in another form to two of them, as they were walking into the country. And they went back and told the rest, but they did not believe them. Afterward he appeared to the eleven themselves as they were reclining at table, and he rebuked them for their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they had not believed those who saw him after he had risen. And he said to them, “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. And these signs will accompany those who believe: in my name they will cast out demons; they will speak in new tongues; they will pick up serpents with their hands; and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not hurt them; they will lay their hands on the sick, and they will recover. So then the Lord Jesus, after he had spoken to them, was taken up into heaven and sat down at the right hand of God. And they went out and preached everywhere, while the Lord worked with them and confirmed the message by accompanying signs - Mark 16:9-19 "

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Rationally, the above is how an argument should be made, with verifiable evidence for and against and not just based on emotions like the below.

when you assumed you always have all the facts and whatever you say on the issues is final, such leads to the below post.

You acted in this manner as the below on another thread postulating that the OT in no place mentioned nor prophesy about the coming of the Messiah to die for man. I belief the proof was shown to you, but you forgot to come back and concede to the contrary.

The Post below should be presented as a question and evidences for the motion properly presented and all the scriptures posted for all to see.

While some people did have similar questions in the past, they rather "kept on asking and knocking". At least, that was what i did.

frosbel2:
The Gospel of Matthew is full of outright Lies , a lot of it's content is shamelessly fabricated.

Examples :

Virgin birth - all made up and prophetic reference to Isaiah 7:14 has nothing to do with Jesus. This was fulfilled in Isaiah 8 and had nothing to do with a virgin birth, besides the original word in Hebrew for the concocted new testament virgin is young woman and not virgin.

Genealogy of Jesus - all made up, God promised in the old testament that the Messiah will not come through Jehoiachin whose family was cursed, yet he was mentioned in Matthew

Resurrection of saints - Matthew 27:53 - Nonsense, this never happened. For such a major event there is no contemporary historic source to validate this myth

More to come..........

Am not here to say that evil men never tampered with the bible nor am i saying that copyist never made mistakes while carrying out their job, rather, I am saying, where we have such, it is there for all to see and certain ancient manuscripts have resurfaced to help restore and correct the manipulations and errors.

Show more patience in researching and praying, it sure does help.

Peace.

MrPresident1:
Easy on the pedal bro, if you are willing we can come to agreement on these things. forgive my choice of words but your major challenge is that you are unable to make the critical transition to the figurative understanding of the Holy Scriptures. You are still battling with literal interpretations.

If you are willing, I can point the way for you...

Yes, the understanding of the scriptures needs help, but we human are material/Literal/Physical persons and the Bible is a physical book that can be understood with proper study and inquisitiveness.

Don't go all spiritual Here.

Especially, the questions he posted are literal question that demand patience and consistency in researching the relationship.

If you say that God gave his word to man and did not make it literal/physical, you are excusing those that have never been diligent and patient in researching the scriptures for them to say it was never there for them to see.

There is no way a sinner can be all spiritual before they can read the Bible be for they can understand.

Peace

Lemme respond to this guy.

Prophecies about Jesus Christ.

1. By their father Jacob. Gen 49 vs 10
Thousands of before christ.He was blessings Judah his son.

"The symbol of Authority shall not depart from Judah (Judah his son) Until Shiloh shall come. And unto him shall the GATHERING OF THE PEOPLE BE.

People, Nations and tribe gathered unto Christ. He is from Judah.

Shall be of the Descendant of David.

Isaiah 11 vs 1


A rod shall come forth out of Jesse. And a branch from his root. The spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him. He shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth


Jesus is from Judah. Prophecy 1

Jesus is from David .. prophecy 2.

Jesus is from a Virgin.. Prophecy 3.

All these three points to Jesus.

Micah 5 vs 2

Jesus is from Bethlehem. Prophecy 4.


Jesus shall ride upon a Colt... prophecy 5.

Shall be sold for 30 pieces of silver. Prophecy 6.

1,2,3,4,5, and 6.

Fulfilled by Jesus

I'm Christan and I believe so much in the teaching of Jesus Christ, since he lived a life of decency and calmness according to the bible.

But one thing I'm sure about is Christianity (most especially in Nigeria) is fake and full of lies. It's full of gullibility, hypocrisy and an average Nigerian Christan is less intelligent than those overseas.

All these prophecies fulfilled and others.

Isaiah 9..vs 6


"Behold the Lord shall give you a sign"

What's the sign?

A virgin shall conceive.



No Virgin has ever given birth without sexual intercourse.

You have been given a sign.....plus prophecies.

Plus the fact that there are Jewish Christians.



There is no Excuse for you or anyone else.

Originakalokalo:
All these prophecies fulfilled and others.

Isaiah 9..vs 6


"Behold the lamb Lord shall give you a sign"

What's the sign?

A virgin shall conceive.



No Virgin has ever given birth without sexual intercourse.

You have been given a sign.....plus prophecies.

Plus the fact that there are Jewish Christians.



There is no Excuse for you or anyone else.

if we are to be constructive here, no one tested Mary to confirm her virginity, we only believe it because the Bible said it. The bible didn't record any confirmation on that, we only believe the bible because it carrys a mentality but if you go beyond those mentality, you will know that these things are actually unrealistic and unconformable.

The Bible pages were written by humans like us, not by spirits

betterABIAstate:
if we are to be constructive here, no one tested Mary to confirm her virginity, we only believe it because the Bible said it. The bible didn't record any confirmation on that, we only believe the bible because it carrys a mentality but if you go beyond those mentality, you will know that these things are actually unrealistic and unconformable.

The Bible pages were written by humans like us, not by spirits

Ok.

frosbel2:
The Gospel of Matthew is full of outright Lies , a lot of it's content is shamelessly fabricated.

Examples :

Virgin birth - all made up and prophetic reference to Isaiah 7:14 has nothing to do with Jesus. This was fulfilled in Isaiah 8 and had nothing to do with a virgin birth, besides the original word in Hebrew for the concocted new testament virgin is young woman and not virgin.

This is a mistranslation in the Septuagint. The Greek text for the NT uses the Greek text for the OT as reference where inference is drawn from the OT

Genealogy of Jesus - all made up, God promised in the old testament that the Messiah will not come through Jehoiachin whose family was cursed, yet he was mentioned in Matthew

Could you point out the OT verse?

Resurrection of saints - Matthew 27:53 - Nonsense, this never happened. For such a major event there is no contemporary historic source to validate this myth

More to come..........

This was a later addition to the text

Gombs, frosbel has finally discovered oyel.

frosbel2:
Hi Goshen , yes indeed - everything is okay with my soul, I am still studying to show my self approved unto God

Better!

frosbel2:
I am coming to the conclusion that a large part of the gospels is made up fiction based on mistranslated prophecies, fabricated interpolations and outright manipulation of the Jewish scripture.

The Virgin birth is a lie, the Trinity is a lie, Jesus as God is one huge lie , Hell fire is a lie and going to heaven is also a lie. What is the truth.

I am still struggling with the truth but the default position I have taken is that there is one God period. Everything else I believed has been called into question and sadly most of my earlier positions were based on myth , fables and man made doctrines.

Over the next few days I will state many of my findings which call into question the Integrity of the Gospels.

See who's talking about integrity, one who himself lacks it.

SalC:
Gombs, frosbel has finally discovered oyel.

how did i miss this thread oooo?

Image123:
See who's talking about integrity, one who himself lacks it.

no mind am

Gombs:
How did i miss this thread oooo?

Thats what getting engaged and pulling that Onitsha Mall stunt does,
you not only miss threads like that, you also turn into MIA that you've now become

frosbel2:
I am coming to the conclusion that a large part of the gospels is made up fiction based on mistranslated prophecies, fabricated interpolations and outright manipulation of the Jewish scripture.

The Virgin birth is a lie, the Trinity is a lie, Jesus as God is one huge lie , Hell fire is a lie and going to heaven is also a lie. What is the truth.

I am still struggling with the truth but the default position I have taken is that there is one God period. Everything else I believed has been called into question and sadly most of my earlier positions were based on myth , fables and man made doctrines.

The affirmed infallibility of the Gospels will be the bane of Christianity, it does not help that apologists will go to great lengths to reconcile the irreconcilable as opposed to confronting the issues head on and resolving them.

There are many passages that have been shown to be later insertions into the gospels, in the case of the virgin birth it is clear that the author of Mark, being the earliest gospel writer and therefore the most reliable had no knowledge of such a birth, we then have to consider the curious scenario that in the intervening 30 or so odd years between the appearance of the Gospel of Mark and the arrival of the Gospel of Mathew, the very earliest Jewish Christians would have had no idea that Jesus was of virgin birth or if you prefer, the Son of God.

There are others too, we know that the miracle of the story of the Coin in the Mouth of the Fish that appears in the Gospel of Mathew could not have taken place during the lifetime of Jesus, the setting of that story is placed during the reign of the Roman Emperor Domitian, born 51CE, died 96CE. The story was entirely a political insertion.

The story of the Woman taken in Adultery was initially placed in the Gospel of Luke before it was relocated to its present spot in the Book of John, clearly the story is an afterthought and not an original happenstance.

In John 21, the gospel tells the gorgeous story of seven disciples in a boat, fishing all night. Jesus, calls to them from the shore and asks if they have caught anything. When the disciples replied that all the efforts of that night had brought them nothing, Jesus tells them to try casting their net on the right side of the boat. They do, and their net bulges with 153 large fish. The story is false, the precise figure of the fish caught gives the game away. That figure 153 is a sacred number to the cult of the Pythagoreans. The author of John merely inserted the Pythagorean narrative as a means of proclaiming the divinity of Jesus. Pythagoras had done the exact same thing five hundred years earlier.

First century Christians did not even have an apostolic tradition of any sort, we know this from the depictions of early Christian art at the Domitilla catacombs.

There are very many other such narratives in the gospels that are equally suspect but notwithstanding, I find that the Gospels are greater than the sum of their parts, the overall gospel redemptive message of hope, forgiveness and compassion transcends the vagaries of its composition and for me any Christian whose sole adherence to the religion is reliant on the precise wording of the Gospels alone is simply not worthy of the name.

Sarassin:
In John 21, the gospel tells the gorgeous story of seven disciples in a boat, fishing all night. Jesus, calls to them from the shore and asks if they have caught anything. When the disciples replied that all the efforts of that night had brought them nothing, Jesus tells them to try casting their net on the right side of the boat. They do, and their net bulges with 153 large fish. The story is false, the precise figure of the fish caught gives the game away. That figure 153 is a sacred number to the cult of the Pythagoreans. The author of John merely inserted the Pythagorean narrative as a means of proclaiming the divinity of Jesus. Pythagoras had done the exact same thing five hundred years earlier.

First century Christians did not even have an apostolic tradition of any sort, we know this from the depictions of early Christian art at the Domitilla catacombs.

There are very many other such narratives in the gospels that are equally suspect but notwithstanding, I find that the Gospels are greater than the sum of their parts, the overall gospel redemptive message of hope, forgiveness and compassion transcends the vagaries of its composition and for me any Christian whose sole adherence to the religion is reliant on the precise wording of the Gospels alone is simply not worthy of the name.

Mr sarassin, where did you gather all these knowledge from? Can you please recommend some of your books

Sarassin:
The affirmed infallibility of the Gospels will be the bane of Christianity, it does not help that apologists will go to great lengths to reconcile the irreconcilable as opposed to confronting the issues head on and resolving them.

There are many passages that have been shown to be later insertions into the gospels, in the case of the virgin birth it is clear that the author of Mark, being the earliest gospel writer and therefore the most reliable had no knowledge of such a birth, we then have to consider the curious scenario that in the intervening 30 or so odd years between the appearance of the Gospel of Mark and the arrival of the Gospel of Mathew, the very earliest Jewish Christians would have had no idea that Jesus was of virgin birth or if you prefer, the Son of God.

There are others too, we know that the miracle of the story of the Coin in the Mouth of the Fish that appears in the Gospel of Mathew could not have taken place during the lifetime of Jesus, the setting of that story is placed during the reign of the Roman Emperor Domitian, born 51CE, died 96CE. The story was entirely a political insertion.

The story of the Woman taken in Adultery was initially placed in the Gospel of Luke before it was relocated to its present spot in the Book of John, clearly the story is an afterthought and not an original happenstance.

Very well said. Unfortunately religious people are programmed to ignore logic and accept myth and fable. Only an independent mind which is not subject to the bullying, suppression and conniving of so called men of God can truly come to a knowledge of the truth. Many are literally wasting their precious years chasing after a non-existent faith.

The issue here is this, if a book contains some fabrications mixed with truth , how can we be sure that the rest of the book is not a fabrication ? Surely a liar also speaks some truth but he is still a liar. God in the book of proverbs hates a lying tongue and we are admonished throughout the bible to be people of integrity. If so, why is the new testament saturated with error, fabrication, contradiction and manipulation;Is this what the Christian truth stands on as the infallible word of God ?? smh

Goshen360:
Oh Lord....here he comes again!

Yeah, he shall get religion mixed with New Age.