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I don't even understand the fuss about this tithing shii. If you like pay your tithe, if you like don't pay it. No pastor is forcing anyone to pay tithe na.

“Most of the richest pastors in the world are from Nigeria, yet our people are getting poorer. If many of us had not attended mission schools built by the Catholics and the Anglicans… school and hospitals but what are we building now? What are our churches giving us? They are promising to build churches in every street. All the warehouses in Apapa built by Awolowo have all become churches and business centers."

asuustrike2009:
He didn't say I will bless whom I will bless instead I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy

Some folks be talking Christian issues without the minutest understanding of the book.

cuedish:
Only if you know what it means when God have mercy on you.

Mercy in Bible context is CLEARLY different from financial blessing.

shegxyy:
I don't even understand the fuss about this tithing shii. If you like pay your tithe, if you like don't pay it. No pastor is forcing anyone to pay tithe na.

Since you don't understand, keep mute and learn.

rhektor:
Really? You mean those who comes to my house with brown envelopes? Issokai

lol

onadana:
Did Jesus come in the 21st century.Didn't Jesus ride on a donkey,didn't the soldiers cast lots on his clothes,who cast lots on rags?Didn't Martha splash expensive perfume on his feet and wiped it with her hair...where ever he went didn't he pull crowds.'Those who are led by the Spirit are called sons of God'......the problem is some are called...others go on their own..those that go on their own are the ones that blasphem.Anyway who made daddy freeze a judge over the sons of God?

bro I don't even support xtianity in the first place because it's a fraud scheme. Now if Jesus did all these things you mentioned then even his tactics need to be questioned. All these are a lies and means used to swindle people off their sweat.. now how are we sure the people who wrote the Bible are even led by this god they claim? Who was there to exertain their characters to really see how holy they were Imo, religiom is a fraud scheme which needs to be scrapped if Africa is to move forward. I know it may take a while but it will surely be. These Yahoomen knew this time will surely come and that's why they gave it a bad name "end time" which useless endtime... In science we deal with facts, if you saying something back it up with facts..

They say the Earth was created in 7days, now I ask, what click was used then to measure time? They say that Adam and even were from dust, then why do we all look somehow like we evolved from something, more like primate theory is actually true. Now they saw heaven is up and hell fire is down but the Earth rotates and there comes a time where the up becimes the down, how about that or does the hell fire also rotates?
Mtcheew make una still dey follow blindly, una go regret am later coz education is staring right in ur face but u have refused to be educated

ehissi:
False. Even Oyedepo's ministry tithes to Adeboye's ministry.

Not only do Pastors tithe but ministries also tithe to other ministries.

Get rid of this your vain imaginations, lest the devil be using you to fight pastors without your knowledge.

why won't they thite each other when the money isn't coming from their own pocket. Worse of all ,after oyedepo collects oops money, he won't mention them as the sole providers of the tither he sends to his partner in glorified crime rather his name is inscripted there.. #freeTheSheeple

yeyerolling:
winners chapel paid over 2b as tithe to redeem last yr

what as the 2bn used for ?? Was it used to take care of ophans or to feed the poor? Or rather for a rolls Royce?? I know you won't answer rather you will fund a daft means to deflect, yeye

FarahAideed:
I hope these pics settle this ..Pic one is his daughters posing with same car at his home

Pic two is the car when he first brought it to church after his birthday .

Lol. Guy you are a great resource to our nation. This is good journalism.

ogologoamu:
I was poor and my pastor gave me money to start business, today I am an importer........ Bro Smith's testimony

You don't know the commitments of these pastors and how they have helped their poor members to stand. Stop been judgemental here.

since your pastor has already made you an importer who have you helped?

OtemSapien:
Funny. If we find out now, he's a pastor who's scared of losing thousands of naira through Daddy Freeze's perpetual campaign against tithing. I'm sure that simple inscription on his number plate will psychologically go a long way to keep the sheeple who is already contemplating on not paying tithe in the fold. For example, Soji was walking on the street, thinking whether he shouldn't pay tithe anymore, then the pastor's car passed beside him and he saw the number plate having 'I TITHE'. Soji will take that as a message from his god and he will keep paying his tithe. That's psychology for you, works well on the sheeple to keep them in the fold.

exactly my thought

he tithe, what ever the hell that means, Good for him! so what? It's his problems. i don't tithe, will never tithe! i don't even know what the hell tithe means

sue me!

Abudu2000:
what as the 2bn used for ?? Was it used to take care of ophans or to feed the poor? Or rather for a rolls Royce?? I know you won't answer rather you will fund a daft means to deflect, yeye

did i tell u i pay tithe or in support of it . Dont even attend church or mosque. D churches are all about money

[quote author=on point

The wahala Wey tithe go cause ehn

soloehis:
show where it's written in the bible that church should tithe to church instead of the needy?some people needs to be delivered from brain damage

absolutely. That's just their money Laundering process, transfering the looted funds to the other looter till it gets to the permanent site

ogologoamu:
I was poor and my pastor gave me money to start business, today I am an importer........ Bro Smith's testimony

You don't know the commitments of these pastors and how they have helped their poor members to stand. Stop been judgemental here.

these crooked pastors will do anything, i mean, anything! to keep gullible folks like you and bro smith believing . is it the job of a pastor to provide people with money to start business? i thought church is about heaven.
And banks are for providing loans to start business.
so pastor gives one poor guy money to start business what about the other 100000 poor guys? will he give them money too?

Abudu2000:
absolutely. That's just their money Laundering process, transfering the looted funds to the other looter till it gets to the permanent site

true talk!

gypsey:
these crooked pastors will do anything, i mean, anything! to keep gullible folks like you and bro smith believing . is it the job of a pastor to provide people with money to start business? i thought church is about heaven.
And banks are for providing loans to start business.
so pastor gives one poor guy money to start business what about the other 100000 poor guys? will he give them money too?

Just listen to yourself, what collateral does a poor man has to collect loan from the bank?.


If a church establishes someone, the same person will also be of help to other brethren in the church in the time of need. That's why we have welfares in the church.

I remember how poor I was coming to my church years back, wearing a borrowed slippers and was squatting with someone in face ME I face you house. The church through the Pastor and by the grace of God helped me to be established today. A brother in that church took me inn and taught me business, after two years, another brother and a sister gave me #700k to establish my own business, today I am doing well in my business.

My dear, I can't stop paying my tithes.


cc, Abudu2000

Abudu2000:
since your pastor has already made you an importer who have you helped?

Will you agree if I tell you?

I thank God I am a Muslim... Hate me or abuse me. Please learn about Islam...have u ever wondered if u were on the wrong path?... I know u love God dearly...so pray to him sincerely... And he shall show u the way...FALSEHOOD IS BOUND TO PERISH

kinibigdeal:
As culled online, a motorist at lekki this morning replaced the number on is carplate with the inscriptiion of "I TITHE"

This must definitely be connected to the recent attack from daddyfreeze

Tithers n none tithers make their money.

It simply shows that hard work pays, not paying money into the bank account of some other unemployed people... For. FLEXING.

Na one of the pastors

damosky12:
Some folks be talking Christian issues without the minutest understanding of the book.

Reading the verse very well from the Bible don't misquote it. That's the bone of contention.

Oluwapresley:
WHAT TRIGGERED THE MARTIN LUTHER REFORMATION?
Here is the story, and why I think the Church is back to where it was before the Martin Luther Reformation exactly 500 years ago.
1. Before 1517, everyone belonged to the Roman Catholic Church which was the official religion, with the Pope as the head. The Pope had the final say on all issues concerning religion.
2. Pope Leo X wanted to build a fanciful Church building called St. Peters Basilica in Rome. The building was going to cost him so much. Hence, he decided to raise money from the sale of indulgences from purgatory.
3. Purgatory was invented by the Catholic Pope during the Crusades in order to get more men into the army. The pope claimed he could buy souls back from hell. His soldiers believed him and the practice continued.
4.The manipulation of the people through the sale of indulgences from purgatory(Offering God money in order to get God's favor) infuriated Martin Luther. The same idea of indulgences and purgatory was why MANDATORY TITHES and offerings got established in the early Church. 'God gets excited at the sound of coins in the offering plate'.
5. On Oct. 31st, 1517, a Roman Catholic Monk named Martin Luther posted 95 Theses on the door of the Church claiming salvation was by faith alone, among others. He claimed the Pope had no power to forgive sins or collect indulgences from purgatory.
His 5 pillars were, 1) sola fide( faith alone), 2) sola scriptura (by scriptures alone), 3) solus Christus (through Christ alone), 4)sola gratia (by grace alone), 5)soli deo gloria (for God's glory alone)
6. The posting of the theses happened at the early beginnings of the invention of the print media, just like today's internet. Within weeks, Luther's theses was widespread all over Germany, and all over Europe within months.
7. Before that, nobody had challenged the authority of the Church or Pope and lived. The Church had killed all scientists, historians or anyone who had a contrary view to the Pope. Often burning them publicly or beheading them.
8. Hence, the posting of the Theses was like Martin Luther posting his own death notice.
Ever heard the story of David and Goliath? The Pope was Goliath, Martin Luther was not even a David, he was a worm. The Pope could crush him easily. Somehow, the Pope was not able to. He referred to Luther as a wild boar. Luther often referred to the Pope as a 'lustful dog'.
9. Martin Luther was summoned by the council of Church and State to recant his writings. He declared he wouldn't as he was prepared to die for what his conscience believed.
10. Meanwhile, he remained in the Roman Catholic Church as starting another form of Christianity was not his goal. Luther's mission was to reform the Roman Catholic Church.
11. The Pope declared Luther a non-grata, meaning whoever killed him was doing God a favor. His life was put at risk.
12. Martin Luther was then kidnapped by close friends and hidden in a castle. His physical form was disguised for fear that he would be killed. He had already become so popular in Europe through his writings.
13. While hidden away and in Isolation, he translated the entire Bible for the first time into German from Latin, giving everyone access to the Bible for the first time. From German, it was then translated into other languages. This officially put an end to the dark age, the age of gross illiteracy.
14. Before Luther's Bible, the Bible had only existed in Greek and Latin which only Priests had access to. You could be killed if found with a copy of the Bible. This gave the Priests so much power, similar to today's Priests and Pastors.
15. As more people read the Bible for themselves, revolts broke out all over Europe as people saw how the Church had taken advantage of them over many years. The Pope lost so much power and the Roman Catholic Church became irrelevant. Luther called out the Popes, Bishops, and princes without mincing words, often challenging them to public debates.
16. Because everyone now had the Bible, different sections began to break out of the Catholic Church every man claiming his own revelation. There were the Lutherans, Calvinists, Puritans, Unitarians, Anglicans, and many more. The differences between them were so slight and insignificant, and denominationalism was born. This revolt led to the killing of so many of the revolters by the Catholic Church.
17. Each of these denominations grew so much in power, became capitalists and began to practice in new forms and with new languages, exactly what the Catholic Church was doing that led to the break out of the reformation in the first place.
18. Denominationalism then became Capitalism. Churches became more about big and beautiful buildings, how much profit you can get from the people, selling cajoles to people in exchange for money in order to fund the lavish lifestyles.
19. 500 years after, we are back to where it all began. We are practicing that old form of Catholicism. The church now is about money and buildings, tithes and offerings.
20. Who shall write for us another 95 theses?
500 years of the Reformation. We are still bleeding...
Success O. Fakolade, MD
Oct. 2017
Pray for the Church!!!


And you know the worst part of everything?
When people pay their tithe, the pastor calls them out and prays for them with a specific tone; "God bless these ones that have given to you." The others that don't have to give, they are left to say amen to the prayers for others. And you say you are giving willingly? Nope, you are not!! You are giving to avoid being cursed cox the pastor makes you feel that not giving when others are giving carries a curse already... and he tries to buttress his point by praying for them specially.

I always ask; do you know how many people have lost loved ones because they had to choose between paying their tithe or paying their loved one's medical bills? Do you know how many marriages have been broken and how many people have become homeless cox they decided to choose between paying tithe and doing the needful? My God won't want that kind of dealings. He wants you to be happy; Not broken as a result of the loss of your loved ones, not homeless, not a divorcé. He wants a cheerful giver, not a giver under compulsion!!! But pastors have made you give under compulsion because they make you feel you are robbing God and as a result you would be cursed! Very wrong!!! Very Very Wrong!!! "No one taketh My life, I lay It down." So if you can't take God's life, how do you think you can rob God? Hahaha..

Tithe does not stop anyone from helping their families or poor people. They are millions of people who do not pay tithe and are financially irresponsible.

FarahAideed:
The owner of that car is actually Pastor Okwonkwo of David Christian Centre so the guy u quoted is right

PLS do u have the registration particulars of that car?

D

fumiswtpusytwo:
Only fools pay their tithe.they often deceive their members by saying pay your tight so that things will not be tight for you and yet these pastors use the money to Bleep different women,buy private jet and build mansions and invest for themselves.
Anyway I am proud to be a yoruba muslim and truly I am enoying the religion of piss.

Did u really say piss. Or was it a typological error? Or u aren't?./ pls commend.

Abudu2000:
bro I don't even support xtianity in the first place because it's a fraud scheme. Now if Jesus did all these things you mentioned then even his tactics need to be questioned. All these are a lies and means used to swindle people off their sweat.. now how are we sure the people who wrote the Bible are even led by this god they claim? Who was there to exertain their characters to really see how holy they were Imo, religiom is a fraud scheme which needs to be scrapped if Africa is to move forward. I know it may take a while but it will surely be. These Yahoomen knew this time will surely come and that's why they gave it a bad name "end time" which useless endtime... In science we deal with facts, if you saying something back it up with facts..

They say the Earth was created in 7days, now I ask, what click was used then to measure time? They say that Adam and even were from dust, then why do we all look somehow like we evolved from something, more like primate theory is actually true. Now they saw heaven is up and hell fire is down but the Earth rotates and there comes a time where the up becimes the down, how about that or does the hell fire also rotates?
Mtcheew make una still dey follow blindly, una go regret am later coz education is staring right in ur face but u have refused to be educated

have u witnessed healing miracles? since u r an academician research on it,( Kenneth hagin, Apostle wigglesmorth ,Reinhard Bonnke etc), nd u will be enlightened.

rhemitee:
I thank God I am a Muslim... Hate me or abuse me. Please learn about Islam...have u ever wondered if u were on the wrong path?... I know u love God dearly...so pray to him sincerely... And he shall show u the way...FALSEHOOD IS BOUND TO PERISH

Lolz.. u deserve a medal. Anyway, he's d truth, the way, and the life.

the car has been long in existence before the tithing issue... seen it late last year around Ikeja

kinibigdeal:
As culled online, a motorist at lekki this morning replaced the number on is carplate with the inscriptiion of "I TITHE"

This must definitely be connected to the recent attack from daddyfreeze

ajibolag:
have u witnessed healing miracles? since u r an academician research on it,( Kenneth hagin, Apostle wigglesmorth ,Reinhard Bonnke etc), nd u will be enlightened.

I did withness those planned ones in nigeria, eg apostle suleman, the Joshua, even the one in South Africa by a Nigerian pastor and I must say it was really enlightening...not to mention the rituals and sex scandals which no of them were proven innocent of. I did watch a confession on YouTube where a follower of pastor chris naratted how they give people wheel chairs and direct them on how to act as cripples. That was enlightening too.... Don't you have YouTube on ur phone or good hasn't blessed u with one yet? Bru una go hear am this time, the whole world will see all these swindling tactics ,unless you guys better come up with something better