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Did Jesus Tithe? Did those in Israel that did not make their living off of the land, ( the butcher , the baker , the candle stick maker and Omar the tent maker ) Tithe? No, they did not. They paid the Temple Tax. We like to twist actual scriptures out of context and make them relevant for today and use them as a tool/club to control people. The only verse applicable to modern day Christianity is 1st Corinthians 9:7. ( Cheerful Giver ) not cheerful Tither…. The Church went for the Tithe in the 3rd Century when Constantine made Christianity the official Religion of the Day, and introduced Santa Clause, The Christmas Tree, and the Easter Bunny to Christianity. The Church became an institution, Cathedrals are expensive, and Malachi 3:10 became the weapon of choice out of the Old Testament to build big Church buildings. The modern day church spends the majority of its funds on buildings, thus neglecting its main responsibility: WIdows and Orphans. That is why the Government takes care of Widows and Orphans, because the Church is too busy making mortgage payments. How many church buildings did Jesus build? Go ye therefore and build buildings? NOT! How many Church buildings were constructed during the Book of Acts? They met in facilities already built. Churchs could rent a vacant building, everyone bring their own lawn chair, have a small leased office space, etc……Low overhead means more funds for ministry.

let it be unto you according to your faith.

Just one question for you,
Did Jesus speak against tithing or ask his disciples not to pay tithe? The answer is no. What's the fuss about tithing when Jesus didn't condemned it?

asuustrike2009:
Just one question for you,
Did Jesus speak against tithing or ask his disciples not to pay tithe? The answer is no. What's the fuss about tithing when Jesus didn't condemned it?

Did Jesus or any of his disciples receive or pay tithe?

Deprofessional:
Did Jesus or any of his disciples receive or pay tithe?

No but the Jews?
Did Jesus change the laws?

asuustrike2009:
[b ]No but the Jews [/b]?
Did Jesus change the laws?

Are you a jew?

Do the Jews still pay tithes today? ( I am talking of original Jews and not fake jews)

If Jesus did not change the laws, why not adhere to all the laws of the old testament, why single out tithe out of the hundreds of old testament laws?

wirinet:
Are you a jew?

Do the Jews still pay tithes today? ( I am talking of original Jews and not fake jews)

If Jesus did not change the laws, why not adhere to all the laws of the old testament, why single out tithe out of the hundreds of old testament laws?

Simple question? Did Jesus change the law? Yes or no?
Did Jesus say we shouldn't pay tithe? Yes or no

asuustrike2009:
Simple question? Did Jesus change the law? Yes or no? Did Jesus say we shouldn't pay tithe? Yes or no

Read Hebrew 7 vs 5 and vs 12.
Come back and ask whether Jesus abolished tithe

Deprofessional:
Read Hebrew 7 vs 5 and vs 12.

Come back and ask whether Jesus abolished tithe

Hahaaaaa! You're funny. Where was it stated from those verses that Jesus abolished tithe? .

asuustrike2009:
Simple question? Did Jesus change the law? Yes or no?
Did Jesus say we shouldn't pay tithe? Yes or no

You are the one avoiding the question;

If Jesus did not change the laws, why not adhere to all the laws of the old testament, why single out tithe out of the hundreds of old testament laws?

Now tell me, did Jesus say we shouldn't keep slaves?
Read exodus 21:1 -10 to see some slave laws Jesus did not change.

Why are you and your church not buying and keeping slaves according to the law?

asuustrike2009:
Hahaaaaa! You're funny. Where was it stated from those verses that Jesus abolished tithe? .

If you believe the bible is the word of God and that Jesus is God, then you will understand the following:

that the Levites were allowed to collect tithe under the law. Now the priesthood having been changed, it is also made of necessity a change also of the law.

If I tithed under the law, and subsequently the law was changed.
Should I continue to tithe?

Please answer.

Deprofessional:
If you believe the bible is the word of God and that Jesus is God, then you will understand the following:

that the Levites were allowed to collect tithe under the law. Now the priesthood having been changed, it is also made of necessity a change also of the law.

If I tithed under the law, and subsequently the law was changed.
Should I continue to tithe?

Please answer.

Don't mind the collectors, they are ready say anything in order to continue to scam the gullible.

Levites ko, Benjaminites ni. Do these gullible people even know what a levites is and how they came about?
It seems that the tribe of levi disappeared in Israel and reincarnated in Nigeria, as it is only Nigerian pastors that are claiming descendant of levi today, as an excuse to be collecting tithes

Miradamian:
Did Jesus Tithe? Did those in Israel that did not make their living off of the land, ( the butcher , the baker , the candle stick maker and Omar the tent maker ) Tithe?

Yes every one tithed . People tithe of their gain or what they own

Luke 18:12 (MSG)
12 I fast twice a week and tithe on all my income.'

No, they did not. They paid the Temple Tax

Temple tax was only for every male . I didn’t take the place of their tithe

We like to twist actual scriptures out of context and make them relevant for today and use them as a tool/club to control people. The only verse applicable to modern day Christianity is 1st Corinthians 9:7. ( Cheerful Giver ) not cheerful Tither….

Tithe is for the work of God and welfare of full time workers in God’s house .

1 Corinthians 9:13-14 (KJV)
13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? 14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

wirinet:
You are the one avoiding the question;


Now tell me, did Jesus say we shouldn't keep slaves?
Read exodus 21:1 -10 to see some slave laws Jesus did not change.

Why are you and your church not buying and keeping slaves according to the law?

You didn't answer the the questions I raised? Did Jesus change the law yes or no? Did he spoke against tithing yes or no? Provide answers to these questions raised before I give you answers because am not running from it

Deprofessional:
If you believe the bible is the word of God and that Jesus is God, then you will understand the following:

that the Levites were allowed to collect tithe under the law. Now the priesthood having been changed, it is also made of necessity a change also of the law.

If I tithed under the law, and subsequently the law was changed.
Should I continue to tithe?

Please answer.

You're still beating around the bush.point out from the scriptures were it was stated precisely that we shouldn't pay tithe not assumption or using question to ask question.

petra1:
Yes every one tithed . People tithe of their gain or what they own

Luke 18:12 (MSG)
12 I fast twice a week and tithe on all my income.'



Temple tax was only for every male . I didn’t take the place of their tithe



Tithe is for the work of God and welfare of full time workers in God’s house .

1 Corinthians 9:13-14 (KJV)
13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? 14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

Sorry to say but I you talk like a hardened scammer. You take a quote completely out of context, then use that to justify your tithe scam.

Why not quote the whole passage surrounding luke 18:13-14;
This is the passage;

Luke 18:9 And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:

Luke 18:10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.

18:11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.

18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

18:13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

18:14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

This is a parable of Jesus in which condemned a Pharisee who feels justified because he fasts and pay tithe and exalted a publican who felt he was a sinner because he does not observe these religious rites.

You just nailed your coffin; Jesus does not care about tithing and fasting. You guys are very similar to the pharisees Jesus was always condemning, you feel holier than everyone else and justified because you fast and tithe.

wirinet:
This is a parable of Jesus in which he condemned a Pharisee who feels justified because he fasts and pay tithe and exalted a publican who felt he was a sinner because he does not observe these religious rites.

Jesus illustrated based on the structure they had .

You just nailed your coffin

My coffin was nailed at the cross

Jesus does not care about tithing and fasting. .

Says only you . Tithing is a principle , fasting is a principle they are eternal

COMMON SENSE MYSTERIES

1- When you go to church today and feel the AC blowing through your wig into your skull, know that you are eating out of your tithe.…

2- when the bass guitarists, the keyboardist and other guys on the drums are delivering some good music during praise and you’re dancing everywhere and removing your coat, uncle, auntie, they pay those guys working for God, know that you are eating out of your tithe.

3- Most Sundays you don’t go to church because you depend on nepa to iron your clothes, it is the same thing in the house of God, we don’t depend on NEPA to power the church, we pay for fuel and diesel, so when you go to church today and enjoy uninterrupted worship, know that you are eating out of your tithe.…

4- If you go to church to charge your phones and you grudge about tithe, well, your case is different & serious . …

5- When we invite Pst Nathaniel Bassey to lead you in worship to our God, it is not his trumpet he will eat when he goes back home after ushering the Holy Ghost into your life with his ministration, it is not halleluyah challenge his landlord will eat, we give them minister’s gifts to support the work God is also doing through them, it is the meat that you have stored in God’s house that we use to feed them.

6-So when Travis Greene comes from the UK to raise the roof in praise and worship, dance very well because it is your tithe. "

7- Who deserves to live in lekki? The pastor that feeds you daily with God’s word or Timaya that adds nothing to your Christian faith? Who deserves to drive the best cars?

8- Your pastor glorifying God or Iyanya winding waist with Unclad women glorifying mammon? One witch somewhere will just be vexing for nothing that we are giving to advance the kingdom,

9- you grudge when asked to donate to a church project, you grudge when asked to pay tithe, you think it’s your squeezed 50naira that makes you comfortable in worship at church?

10- Witches campaigning for people not to pay tithe to God when they cheerfully pay Millions for a table for 5 at AY shows.

11- Witches!!!”
"The right perception to tithing"
(Please pause and read this)
I have tried so hard to avoid this tithing or no tithing debate, but It will be so ungrateful of me to keep quiet and watch some folk misunderstand a principle that gives me great peace.

12- I'm not going to quote a single scripture to defend this, if the Bible is too deep for us to understand, then maybe it is time we try common sense.

13- We don't tithe because we want to receive from God, we don't tithe to buy God's blessings, it is not a give and take something, it is not a trade by batter principle.

14- God's blessings and favours comes upon us in a million amazing ways without giving a penny, most times the blessings we hardly take notice, He just loves us, unconditionally, whether we are giving to Him or not.

15-He gave us Jesus without our consent, He sent His son at a time when we least deserved it, that's how much He has been giving to us without asking anything back in return.

16- I don't care about being under law, under grace or under mercy, I just love the Lord with all my heart, and with all that is within me.

17- I give back a tenth of all that He gives to me not in an attempt to provoke Him to do more, but to maintain my local assembly

18- I tithe to ensure that there is meat in His house. I understand that it is His duty to maintain the spiritual needs of His house, but since He has given me the capacity to contribute to the physical and material needs of His house, I WILL.

19- It will be an insult to go to church one day and learn that pastor couldn't come because he went to work so he can pay his children's school fees.

20- I tithe to make sure that my pastor's sermons are not influenced by hunger and lack.
It gives me great joy to know that my tithe contributes to the salaries of the staff working night and day in God's house.

21- I tithe to ensure that God's properties are protected while I sleep very well in my house. I don't want to come back next service day to learn that thieves have stolen the church microphones and generator because we cannot hire security guards to keep watch.

22- If driving a good car helps my pastor spread the gospel across many towns and cities, I will tithe for him to buy a private jet so that he can fly everywhere and spread the gospel faster.

23- I tithe to maintain His house.
I tithe to finance the gospel.
I refuse to allow the under law and under grace debate make God look complicated to me.

24- The Levite priests did not have electricity problem in their time, bad roads and traffic was not a problem to spreading the gospel, yet God's people were still giving to maintain God's house.

25- It's still the same today, different scenarios.
If living in Lekki will make my pastor beat traffic and come early for service I will tithe for him to buy a house there. If living in banana island will make him accessible to God's people I will tithe to make it happen.

26- I tithe so that the generator will never lack diesel. I tithe because it will be uncomfortable for me to worship God in the hot heat with someone who has body odour, I tithe for God's house to have a good AC.

27- I tithe to enjoy the same quality of music people enjoy in the clubs and bars. I tithe for the church to have a good sound system. I tithe for the church to afford professional instrumentalists and sound engineers to make my worship experience more exciting.

28- I tithe for the church to continue giving bobo and popcorn to our kids in the children's church.
If my tithe is helping the outreach department take care of the poor and needy I will keep tithing.

29- If my tithe contributes to the logistics that will fly Bishop TD Jakes down here to give me a different dimension of the Word, I will keep tithing.

30- If my tithe makes the gospel concerts and word conferences FREE, I will keep tithing.
I tithe not as a batter to receive, it is not a means of exchange, how much can i really pay? I tithe to keep His house running so that I can always run there to refill and recharge.

32- So whether it is old testament, new testament or future testament, it is our duty to maintain our local assembly, and this is why I tithe cheerfully.

33- The best news is that you cannot take care of God's house and live in lack. It all comes back to us in different ways, pressed down, shaken together, and rolling over.

It's just common sense guys, just common sense!

FASTING IS A LAW FROM THE OLD TESTAMENT . Why should we fast .

petra1:
Jesus illustrated based on the structure they had .

Which structure? Oh I forgot, the Pharisee structure. The problem is Jesus condemned the Pharisee structure.

Says only you . Tithing is a principle , fasting is a principle they are eternal

Says Jesus, his desciples and the church for more than 1800 years. The tithing scam is very recent.

Tithing and fasting principle is principle the founder of Christianity does not see as a cardinal principle of Christianity.

iamleumas:
COMMON SENSE MYSTERIES

1- When you go to church today and feel the AC blowing through your wig into your skull, know that you are eating out of your tithe.…

2- when the bass guitarists, the keyboardist and other guys on the drums are delivering some good music during praise and you’re dancing everywhere and removing your coat, uncle, auntie, they pay those guys working for God, know that you are eating out of your tithe.

3- Most Sundays you don’t go to church because you depend on nepa to iron your clothes, it is the same thing in the house of God, we don’t depend on NEPA to power the church, we pay for fuel and diesel, so when you go to church today and enjoy uninterrupted worship, know that you are eating out of your tithe.…

4- If you go to church to charge your phones and you grudge about tithe, well, your case is different & serious . …

5- When we invite Pst Nathaniel Bassey to lead you in worship to our God, it is not his trumpet he will eat when he goes back home after ushering the Holy Ghost into your life with his ministration, it is not halleluyah challenge his landlord will eat, we give them minister’s gifts to support the work God is also doing through them, it is the meat that you have stored in God’s house that we use to feed them.

6-So when Travis Greene comes from the UK to raise the roof in praise and worship, dance very well because it is your tithe. "

7- Who deserves to live in lekki? The pastor that feeds you daily with God’s word or Timaya that adds nothing to your Christian faith? Who deserves to drive the best cars?

8- Your pastor glorifying God or Iyanya winding waist with Unclad women glorifying mammon? One witch somewhere will just be vexing for nothing that we are giving to advance the kingdom,

9- you grudge when asked to donate to a church project, you grudge when asked to pay tithe, you think it’s your squeezed 50naira that makes you comfortable in worship at church?

10- Witches campaigning for people not to pay tithe to God when they cheerfully pay Millions for a table for 5 at AY shows.

11- Witches!!!”
"The right perception to tithing"
(Please pause and read this)
I have tried so hard to avoid this tithing or no tithing debate, but It will be so ungrateful of me to keep quiet and watch some folk misunderstand a principle that gives me great peace.

12- I'm not going to quote a single scripture to defend this, if the Bible is too deep for us to understand, then maybe it is time we try common sense.

13- We don't tithe because we want to receive from God, we don't tithe to buy God's blessings, it is not a give and take something, it is not a trade by batter principle.

14- God's blessings and favours comes upon us in a million amazing ways without giving a penny, most times the blessings we hardly take notice, He just loves us, unconditionally, whether we are giving to Him or not.

15-He gave us Jesus without our consent, He sent His son at a time when we least deserved it, that's how much He has been giving to us without asking anything back in return.

16- I don't care about being under law, under grace or under mercy, I just love the Lord with all my heart, and with all that is within me.

17- I give back a tenth of all that He gives to me not in an attempt to provoke Him to do more, but to maintain my local assembly

18- I tithe to ensure that there is meat in His house. I understand that it is His duty to maintain the spiritual needs of His house, but since He has given me the capacity to contribute to the physical and material needs of His house, I WILL.

19- It will be an insult to go to church one day and learn that pastor couldn't come because he went to work so he can pay his children's school fees.

20- I tithe to make sure that my pastor's sermons are not influenced by hunger and lack.
It gives me great joy to know that my tithe contributes to the salaries of the staff working night and day in God's house.

21- I tithe to ensure that God's properties are protected while I sleep very well in my house. I don't want to come back next service day to learn that thieves have stolen the church microphones and generator because we cannot hire security guards to keep watch.

22- If driving a good car helps my pastor spread the gospel across many towns and cities, I will tithe for him to buy a private jet so that he can fly everywhere and spread the gospel faster.

23- I tithe to maintain His house.
I tithe to finance the gospel.
I refuse to allow the under law and under grace debate make God look complicated to me.

24- The Levite priests did not have electricity problem in their time, bad roads and traffic was not a problem to spreading the gospel, yet God's people were still giving to maintain God's house.

25- It's still the same today, different scenarios.
If living in Lekki will make my pastor beat traffic and come early for service I will tithe for him to buy a house there. If living in banana island will make him accessible to God's people I will tithe to make it happen.

26- I tithe so that the generator will never lack diesel. I tithe because it will be uncomfortable for me to worship God in the hot heat with someone who has body odour, I tithe for God's house to have a good AC.

27- I tithe to enjoy the same quality of music people enjoy in the clubs and bars. I tithe for the church to have a good sound system. I tithe for the church to afford professional instrumentalists and sound engineers to make my worship experience more exciting.

28- I tithe for the church to continue giving bobo and popcorn to our kids in the children's church.
If my tithe is helping the outreach department take care of the poor and needy I will keep tithing.

29- If my tithe contributes to the logistics that will fly Bishop TD Jakes down here to give me a different dimension of the Word, I will keep tithing.

30- If my tithe makes the gospel concerts and word conferences FREE, I will keep tithing.
I tithe not as a batter to receive, it is not a means of exchange, how much can i really pay? I tithe to keep His house running so that I can always run there to refill and recharge.

32- So whether it is old testament, new testament or future testament, it is our duty to maintain our local assembly, and this is why I tithe cheerfully.

33- The best news is that you cannot take care of God's house and live in lack. It all comes back to us in different ways, pressed down, shaken together, and rolling over.

It's just common sense guys, just common sense!

. The bible said give from your heart and as your heart desire for God loves a cheerful giver. It didn't say force the christians to pay tight and when they fail cause them