Quite often you hear Muslims say they respect Jesus.
They repeatedly use the phrase Son of Mary and they refer to him as a "prophet"

Clearly they do not believe he is the Son of God.

This thread is not about whether he is the son of God or not. Rather it is about how much of your own beliefs you should air publicly when they conflict with Another.
A few examples

Christians believe that no one goesto heaven unless THROUGH Jesus therefore Muslims will not go to heaven .There is no negotiating that .That is a core belief not jut about Mslis but anyone.

Is it acceptable to keep saying that in public.


Traditionalists believe in many deities and so any relgion that says there is only one deity CANNOT be true shoud they come out publicly to denounce Islam as a false teaching

The belief that Jesus is not the son of God undermines EVERYTHING about Christianity calling into doubt it fundamental foundation. If Jesusis not the son of Godthen what is the point of Christianity. This is a legitimate belief to have and one that is aired publicly ven in so called Christian countries

ISit provocative for Muslims to say "Jesun son of Mary is a prophet" and not the son of God and is it acceptable for Christians in like vain to say PUBLICLY what Christianity teaches about prophets like Muhammed who d noot acknowledge Jesus as son of God?

Stop beating around the bush.

You were taught Christianity, and it is expected that whatever you are taught, you should apply wisdom.

First you didn't want to "ascertain" if Jesus is truly "Son of God", and yet you fixated on it that without it, Christianity has no base.

Your belief is yours, and I respect it.

The same way you were taught the only way to God is via Jesus, is the same way the Quran says all other religions apart from Islam are untrue and not pure.

There were Jews before Christ came, and Moses was clearly the Prophet who laid down the doctrine Jewish use.

And the Bible didn't claim that Jesus came to wipe off Jewish people, and in fact, Christianity was created and followed after the death of Jesus.

Unlike Islam where Mohammed (SAW) had the Qur'an delivered himself, and Moses had the 10 commandments delivered himself, the Bible was assembled by different set of people long after the death of Jesus.

Muslim accord the same respect to all Prophets, from Adam to Mohammed (SAW).

To believe in your Son Of God mantra, you need to define what it means. The Qur'an stated that God has no wife nor child. He created humanity. All the prophets were human first before becoming "men of God".

Hold on to your belief, and care less about what others think about it.

There is nothing provocative about it as it only shows the extent of their revelation about Jesus.


JESUS WAS AN APOSTLE! "Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus" (Heb. 3:1).


JESUS WAS A PROPHET! "This is Jesus the prophet of Nazareth of Galilee" (Mt. 21:11). This is where the muslims got their revelation from.



JESUS WAS AN EVANGELIST! "For the Son of Man is come to seek and save that which was lost" (Lk. 19:10).



JESUS WAS A PASTOR! "I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth His life for the sheep" (Jn. 10:11).


JESUS WAS A TEACHER! "The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto Him, Rabbi, we know that Thou art a teacher come from God" (Jn. 3:2).

RapportNaija:
Stop beating around the bush.

You were taught Christianity, and it is expected that whatever you are taught, you should apply wisdom.

First you didn't want to "ascertain" if Jesus is truly "Son of God", and yet you fixated on it that without it, Christianity has no base.

Your belief is yours, and I respect it.

The same way you were taught the only way to God is via Jesus, is the same way the Quran says all other religions apart from Islam are untrue and not pure.

There were Jews before Christ came, and Moses was clearly the Prophet who laid down the doctrine Jewish use.

And the Bible didn't claim that Jesus came to wipe off Jewish people, and in fact, Christianity was created and followed after the death of Jesus.

Unlike Islam where Mohammed (SAW) had the Qur'an delivered himself, and Moses had the 10 commandments delivered himself, the Bible was assembled by different set of people long after the death of Jesus.

Muslim accord the same respect to all Prophets, from Adam to Mohammed (SAW).

To believe in your Son Of God mantra, you need to define what it means. The Qur'an stated that God has no wife nor child. He created humanity. All the prophets were human first before becoming "men of God".

Hold on to your belief, and care less about what others think about it.

God is God . He is a Creator. He does not need a wife to have a son. If God Almighty says " this is my Son " , who are we to say it is not so. For example God created earthworm to be hamaphrodite , ie with male and female organs. A worm does not need a partner to reproduce. God designed it that way .
Even Quran says God can have a Son without a wife :
Allah SWT says:

لَّوْ أَرَادَ اللَّهُ أَنْ يَتَّخِذَ وَلَدًا لَّاصْطَفٰى مِمَّا يَخْلُقُ مَا يَشَآءُ ۚ سُبْحٰنَهُ ۥ ۖ هُوَ اللَّهُ الْوٰحِدُ الْقَهَّارُ
"If Allah had intended to take a son, He could have chosen from what He creates whatever He willed. Exalted is He; He is Allah, the One, the Prevailing."
(QS. Az-Zumar: Verse 4)

Jesus also told the Pharisees :

Matthew 3:9 KJV
And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

If God can raise children unto Abraham through stones , why do we think he has not created a Son for Himself.

It is strange though , but who are we to doubt when all the evidences are there.

God is a Creator and giver of life. Biblically Jesus did that.

This very issue was why Jesus was killed as well as his disciples.

Back to the point of the op , he was simply saying that every religion should respect other religion and not impose its religion on others because it is provocative. Respect other people's​ belief .

PROPHETmichael:
There is nothing provocative about it as it only shows the extent of their revelation about Jesus.


JESUS WAS AN APOSTLE! "Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus" (Heb. 3:1).


JESUS WAS A PROPHET! "This is Jesus the prophet of Nazareth of Galilee" (Mt. 21:11). This is where the muslims got their revelation from.



JESUS WAS AN EVANGELIST! "For the Son of Man is come to seek and save that which was lost" (Lk. 19:10).



JESUS WAS A PASTOR! "I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth His life for the sheep" (Jn. 10:11).


JESUS WAS A TEACHER! "The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto Him, Rabbi, we know that Thou art a teacher come from God" (Jn. 3:2).

This thread is not about whether Jesus is the son of God or not so your long thesis is irrelevant and illiterate.

I will TRY AGAIN

If I believe that the tree in my backyard is God naturally Muslims willl not accept that . The point of this thread is does a Muslim havve the right to come in public and call my tree an idol?

Now do I equally have the right to call Muhammed a liar?

That is the point of this thread that shoul be clear to any person who is literate.


Every person has a belief that seems trueto him but if it contrdicts my own can I say it in public even if it offends others?

Muslims dont believe Jesus is God Christians do
Christians don't believe anyone sent Muhammed Muslims do
Atheists don't believe any of those doctrines

The point then is can everyone have freedom to refute any belief they don't agree with in public?

aribisala0:


This thread is not about whether Jesus is the son of God or not so your long thesis is irrelevant and illiterate.

I will TRY AGAIN

If I believe that the tree in my backyard is God naturally Muslims willl not accept that . The point of this thread is does a Muslim havve the right to come in public and call my tree an idol?

Now do I equally have the right to call Muhammed a liar?

That is the point of this thread that shoul be clear to any person who is literate.


Every person has a belief that seems trueto him but if it contrdicts my own can I say it in public even if it offends others?

Muslims dont believe Jesus is God Christians do
Christians don't believe anyone sent Muhammed Muslims do
Atheists don't believe any of those doctrines

The point then is can everyone have freedom to refute any belief they don't agree with in public?

Do 70% of the earth believe Jesus to be some divine being?
No they don't.
Does that make it right to publicly call him a liar or a lunatic?
No it doesn't?
Now,there are a myriad of ways they putt it,such as by calling him a teacher or a messiah claimant or the christian God.
I myself take no offence if they call Muhammad(SAW) a Prophethood claimant or make use of similar terms.
It all boils down to avoiding a plainly negative connotation
Publicly calling Muhammad(SAW) a liar is,in fact,the height of idiocity.

enilove:



God is God . He is a Creator. He does not need a wife to have a son. If God Almighty says " this is my Son " , who are we to say it is not so. For example God created earthworm to be hamaphrodite , ie with male and female organs. A worm does not need a partner to reproduce. God designed it that way .
Even Quran says God can have a Son without a wife :
Allah SWT says:

لَّوْ أَرَادَ اللَّهُ أَنْ يَتَّخِذَ وَلَدًا لَّاصْطَفٰى مِمَّا يَخْلُقُ مَا يَشَآءُ ۚ سُبْحٰنَهُ ۥ ۖ هُوَ اللَّهُ الْوٰحِدُ الْقَهَّارُ
"If Allah had intended to take a son, He could have chosen from what He creates whatever He willed. Exalted is He; He is Allah, the One, the Prevailing."
(QS. Az-Zumar: Verse 4)

Jesus also told the Pharisees :

Matthew 3:9 KJV
And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

If God can raise children unto Abraham through stones , why do we think he has not created a Son for Himself.

It is strange though , but who are we to doubt when all the evidences are there.

God is a Creator and giver of life. Biblically Jesus did that.

This very issue was why Jesus was killed as well as his disciples.

Back to the point of the op , he was simply saying that every religion should respect other religion and not impose its religion on others because it is provocative. Respect other people's​ belief .

May Allaah guide us to His true religion. Indeed Allaah is capable of all things. He created the earth, the heavens, and all that is within them.

It is not beffiting the Majesty of Allaah to take a son, Exalted He is, far and above what you are ascribing to Him.

The Quranic verse you qouted clearly show that it is not beffiting the Majesty of Allaah to take a son.

Jesus (pbuh) is a prophet and messenger of Allaah. You are against a noble prophet of Allaah and he will certainly deny what you people are ascribing to him on the day of resurrection.

As for what op ask, you do not know what relevance Muslims attach to prophethood that is why you consider it a provocation to call Jesus (pbuh) a prophet of Allaah.

Prophethood is a highest position any human being attained. Prophets are people chosen by Allaah, protected from committing sins, taught guidance, and send to mankind as mercy to the world.

By calling Jesus (pbuh) a prophet of Allaah we are elevating him to same status to that of our prophet (Muhammad pbuh). If that is provocation to the Christians then it should be to the Muslims too.

And lastly, we will not allow you to practice what you term 'religion' unchallenged until you stop lying against a noble prophet of Allaah; until you stop spreading falsehood on earth; until you worship Allaah alone as did Jesus (pbuh).

bahaushe1:


May Allaah guide us to His true religion. Indeed Allaah is capable of all things. He created the earth, the heavens, and all that is within them.

It is not beffiting the Majesty of Allaah to take a son, Exalted He is, far and above what you are ascribing to Him.

The Quranic verse you qouted clearly show that it is not beffiting the Majesty of Allaah to take a son.

Jesus (pbuh) is a prophet and messenger of Allaah. You are against a noble prophet of Allaah and he will certainly deny what you people are ascribing to him on the day of resurrection.

As for what op ask, you do not know what relevance Muslims attach to prophethood that is why you consider it a provocation to call Jesus (pbuh) a prophet of Allaah.

Prophethood is a highest position any human being attained. Prophets are people chosen by Allaah, protected from committing sins, taught guidance, and send to mankind as mercy to the world.

By calling Jesus (pbuh) a prophet of Allaah we are elevating him to same status to that of our prophet (Muhammad pbuh). If that is provocation to the Christians then it should be to the Muslims too.

And lastly, we will not allow you to practice what you term 'religion' unchallenged until you stop lying against a noble prophet of Allaah; until you stop spreading falsehood on earth; until you worship Allaah alone as did Jesus (pbuh).

That is the Islamic belief. We already know what you believe.No one asked you
Whatever relevance you place to prophethod is irrelevant to a people who believe HE IS GOD>
You are in effect refuting their entire religion. My issue is not that you should change your belief but do you understand.

Do you understand that when you say it to their face it offends them. So is your position to that

That is too bad they are wrong and we don't care?

What we are asking is it it provocative to come out in public to air beliefs if they are offensiveto other religions?

Surely you understand simple English

Is it OK for Muslims to come out in public and tell people that their deities are idols because the Quran or Islam says so or should the keep this to themselves

Similarly is it acceptable for those who share equal and opposite beliefs about Muhammad or Islam to do so in public?

That is the nub of this thread so can we deal with the issues and not what you believe or do not believe

If I believe that Muhammad is a liar who fabricated the Quran can I speak my beliefs freely?

bahaushe1:


May Allaah guide us to His true religion. Indeed Allaah is capable of all things. He created the earth, the heavens, and all that is within them.

It is not beffiting the Majesty of Allaah to take a son, Exalted He is, far and above what you are ascribing to Him.

The Quranic verse you qouted clearly show that it is not beffiting the Majesty of Allaah to take a son.

Jesus (pbuh) is a prophet and messenger of Allaah. You are against a noble prophet of Allaah and he will certainly deny what you people are ascribing to him on the day of resurrection.

As for what op ask, you do not know what relevance Muslims attach to prophethood that is why you consider it a provocation to call Jesus (pbuh) a prophet of Allaah.

Prophethood is a highest position any human being attained. Prophets are people chosen by Allaah, protected from committing sins, taught guidance, and send to mankind as mercy to the world.

By calling Jesus (pbuh) a prophet of Allaah we are elevating him to same status to that of our prophet (Muhammad pbuh). If that is provocation to the Christians then it should be to the Muslims too.

And lastly, we will not allow you to practice what you term 'religion' unchallenged until you stop lying against a noble prophet of Allaah; until you stop spreading falsehood on earth; until you worship Allaah alone as did Jesus (pbuh).

I will respond to your last paragraph that says "we will not allow you to practice what you term religion...."

How do Muslims intend to do that? By violence and murdering , is that not so?

Let me tell you , any direct attack on Christians again will spell doom for your religion. We Christians are ready to destroy the Muslims wherever they are living if that is what your useless religion teaches you and want. The time has come to attack or kill anyone that kills the Christians . Just wait and see.

I know that when you get your people destroyed , your type will be first to find fault and pass blame.

Islam is a satanic religion and Allah is not God Almighty.
Muhammed was not a prophet to we the Christians .

If all religion had been forcing people to accept their religions b4 Islam came , would there be any one called a Muslim.

Know this fact that a fake product is always coming after the original product has been in the market.
Islam is false. That was why it could not convince anyone to freely accept it but by force.
Islam will soon have the taste of what it started. Very very soon. I know that for Islam to learn and desist from violence, it the hard way the only way for them.

The devil, allah, husband of allat , promised you hell after your death.

Volume 1, Book 12, Number 770:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

The people said, "O Allah's Apostle! Shall we see our Lord on the Day of Resurrection?" He replied, "Do you have any doubt in seeing the full moon on a clear (not cloudy) night?" They replied, "No, O Allah's Apostle!" He said, "Do you have any doubt in seeing the sun when there are no clouds?" They replied in the negative. He said, "You will see Allah (your Lord) in the same way. On the Day of Resurrection, people will be gathered and He will order the people to follow what they used to worship. So some of them will follow the sun, some will follow the moon, and some will follow other deities; and only this nation (Muslims) will be left with its hypocrites. Allah will come to them and say, 'I am Your Lord.' They will say, 'We shall stay in this place till our Lord comes to us and when our Lord will come, we will recognize Him. Then Allah will come to them again and say, 'I am your Lord.' They will say, 'You are our Lord.' Allah will call them, and As-Sirat (a bridge) will be laid across Hell and I (Muhammad) shall be the first amongst the Apostles to cross it with my followers. Nobody except the Apostles will then be able to speak and they will be saying then, 'O Allah! Save us. O Allah Save us.'

There will be hooks like the thorns of Sa'dan in Hell. Have you seen the thorns of Sa'dan?" The people said, "Yes." He said, "These hooks will be like the thorns of Sa'dan but nobody except Allah knows their greatness in size and these will entangle the people according to their deeds; some of them will fall and stay in Hell forever; others will receive punishment (torn into small pieces) and will get out of Hell, till when Allah intends mercy on whomever He likes amongst the people of Hell, He will order the angels to take out of Hell those who worshipped none but Him alone. The angels will take them out by recognizing them from the traces of prostrations, for Allah has forbidden the (Hell) fire to eat away those traces. So they will come out of the Fire, it will eat away from the whole of the human body except the marks of the prostrations. At that time they will come out of the Fire as mere skeletons........

enilove:



I will respond to your last paragraph that says "we will not allow you to practice what you term religion...."

How do Muslims intend to do that? By violence and murdering , is that not so?

Let me tell you , any direct attack on Christians again will spell doom for your religion. We Christians are ready to destroy the Muslims wherever they are living if that is what your useless religion teaches you and want. The time has come to attack or kill anyone that kills the Christians . Just wait and see.

I know that when you get your people destroyed , your type will be first to find fault and pass blame.

Islam is a satanic religion and Allah is not God Almighty.
Muhammed was not a prophet to we the Christians .

If all religion had been forcing people to accept their religions b4 Islam came , would there be any one called a Muslim.

Know this fact that a fake product is always coming after the original product has been in the market.
Islam is false. That was why it could not convince anyone to freely accept it but by force.
Islam will soon have the taste of what it started. Very very soon. I know that for Islam to learn and desist from violence, it the hard way the only way for them.

The devil, allah, husband of allat , promised you hell after your death.

Volume 1, Book 12, Number 770:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

The people said, "O Allah's Apostle! Shall we see our Lord on the Day of Resurrection?" He replied, "Do you have any doubt in seeing the full moon on a clear (not cloudy) night?" They replied, "No, O Allah's Apostle!" He said, "Do you have any doubt in seeing the sun when there are no clouds?" They replied in the negative. He said, "You will see Allah (your Lord) in the same way. On the Day of Resurrection, people will be gathered and He will order the people to follow what they used to worship. So some of them will follow the sun, some will follow the moon, and some will follow other deities; and only this nation (Muslims) will be left with its hypocrites. Allah will come to them and say, 'I am Your Lord.' They will say, 'We shall stay in this place till our Lord comes to us and when our Lord will come, we will recognize Him. Then Allah will come to them again and say, 'I am your Lord.' They will say, 'You are our Lord.' Allah will call them, and As-Sirat (a bridge) will be laid across Hell and I (Muhammad) shall be the first amongst the Apostles to cross it with my followers. Nobody except the Apostles will then be able to speak and they will be saying then, 'O Allah! Save us. O Allah Save us.'

There will be hooks like the thorns of Sa'dan in Hell. Have you seen the thorns of Sa'dan?" The people said, "Yes." He said, "These hooks will be like the thorns of Sa'dan but nobody except Allah knows their greatness in size and these will entangle the people according to their deeds; some of them will fall and stay in Hell forever; others will receive punishment (torn into small pieces) and will get out of Hell, till when Allah intends mercy on whomever He likes amongst the people of Hell, He will order the angels to take out of Hell those who worshipped none but Him alone. The angels will take them out by recognizing them from the traces of prostrations, for Allah has forbidden the (Hell) fire to eat away those traces. So they will come out of the Fire, it will eat away from the whole of the human body except the marks of the prostrations. At that time they will come out of the Fire as mere skeletons........

Can this your theory be applied to all the killings approved by God to idol worshippers in the old testament?

enilove:



I will respond to your last paragraph that says "we will not allow you to practice what you term religion...."

How do Muslims intend to do that? By violence and murdering , is that not so?

Let me tell you , any direct attack on Christians again will spell doom for your religion. We Christians are ready to destroy the Muslims wherever they are living if that is what your useless religion teaches you and want. The time has come to attack or kill anyone that kills the Christians . Just wait and see.

I know that when you get your people destroyed , your type will be first to find fault and pass blame.

Islam is a satanic religion and Allah is not God Almighty.
Muhammed was not a prophet to we the Christians .

If all religion had been forcing people to accept their religions b4 Islam came , would there be any one called a Muslim.

Know this fact that a fake product is always coming after the original product has been in the market.
Islam is false. That was why it could not convince anyone to freely accept it but by force.
Islam will soon have the taste of what it started. Very very soon. I know that for Islam to learn and desist from violence, it the hard way the only way for them.

The devil, allah, husband of allat , promised you hell after your death.

Volume 1, Book 12, Number 770:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

The people said, "O Allah's Apostle! Shall we see our Lord on the Day of Resurrection?" He replied, "Do you have any doubt in seeing the full moon on a clear (not cloudy) night?" They replied, "No, O Allah's Apostle!" He said, "Do you have any doubt in seeing the sun when there are no clouds?" They replied in the negative. He said, "You will see Allah (your Lord) in the same way. On the Day of Resurrection, people will be gathered and He will order the people to follow what they used to worship. So some of them will follow the sun, some will follow the moon, and some will follow other deities; and only this nation (Muslims) will be left with its hypocrites. Allah will come to them and say, 'I am Your Lord.' They will say, 'We shall stay in this place till our Lord comes to us and when our Lord will come, we will recognize Him. Then Allah will come to them again and say, 'I am your Lord.' They will say, 'You are our Lord.' Allah will call them, and As-Sirat (a bridge) will be laid across Hell and I (Muhammad) shall be the first amongst the Apostles to cross it with my followers. Nobody except the Apostles will then be able to speak and they will be saying then, 'O Allah! Save us. O Allah Save us.'

There will be hooks like the thorns of Sa'dan in Hell. Have you seen the thorns of Sa'dan?" The people said, "Yes." He said, "These hooks will be like the thorns of Sa'dan but nobody except Allah knows their greatness in size and these will entangle the people according to their deeds; some of them will fall and stay in Hell forever; others will receive punishment (torn into small pieces) and will get out of Hell, till when Allah intends mercy on whomever He likes amongst the people of Hell, He will order the angels to take out of Hell those who worshipped none but Him alone. The angels will take them out by recognizing them from the traces of prostrations, for Allah has forbidden the (Hell) fire to eat away those traces. So they will come out of the Fire, it will eat away from the whole of the human body except the marks of the prostrations. At that time they will come out of the Fire as mere skeletons........

Who's stopping you from defending yourselve.Stupid cowards!

aribisala0:

[s]
That is the Islamic belief. We already know what you believe.No one asked you
Whatever relevance you place to prophethod is irrelevant to a people who believe HE IS GOD>
You are in effect refuting their entire religion. My issue is not that you should change your belief but do you understand.

Do you understand that when you say it to their face it offends them. So is your position to that

That is too bad they are wrong and we don't care?

What we are asking is it it provocative to come out in public to air beliefs if they are offensiveto other religions?

Surely you understand simple English

Is it OK for Muslims to come out in public and tell people that their deities are idols because the Quran or Islam says so or should the keep this to themselves

Similarly is it acceptable for those who share equal and opposite beliefs about Muhammad or Islam to do so in public?

That is the nub of this thread so can we deal with the issues and not what you believe or do not believe

If I believe that Muhammad is a liar who fabricated the Quran can I speak my beliefs freely?[/s]

Do 70% of the earth believe Jesus to be some divine being?
No they don't.
Does that make it right to publicly call him a liar or a lunatic?
No it doesn't?
Now,there are a myriad of ways they putt it,such as by calling him a teacher or a messiah claimant or the christian God.
I myself take no offence if they call Muhammad(SAW) a Prophethood claimant or make use of similar terms.
It all boils down to avoiding a plainly negative connotation
Publicly calling Muhammad(SAW) a liar is,in fact,the height of idiocity.

Rashduct4luv:


Can this your theory be applied to all the killings approved by God to idol worshippers in the old testament?

The killings in the Bible were not an open-ended type.

It was not meant to force people to accept any religion.
It was meant to give the Israelites a land where they would be separated from the pollution of idolaters to give the world an opportunity to be reconciled back to God through the seed of Abraham .

That was why God told Abraham to leave :
Genesis 12:1-3 KJV
Now the Lord had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee: [2] And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: [3] And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

Deuteronomy 9:5 KJV
Not for thy righteousness, or for the uprightness of thine heart, dost thou go to possess their land: but for the wickedness of these nations the Lord thy God doth drive them out from before thee, and that he may perform the word which the Lord sware unto thy fathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

After possessing the land that God promised them , they kept their mode of worship within their land and did not force their religion on any nation. They were waiting for the Messiah to come. And the Messiah is Jesus Christ.

When Jesus came he also preached peace and love.

But for Islam whose religion and seed is not from Isaac , it has been violence and killing without boundary and justification.

enilove:


The killings in the Bible were not an open-ended type.

It was not meant to force people to accept any religion.
It was meant to give the Israelites a land where they would be separated from the pollution of idolaters to give the world an opportunity to be reconciled back to God through the seed of Abraham .

That was why God told Abraham to leave :
Genesis 12:1-3 KJV
Now the Lord had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee: [2] And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: [3] And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

Deuteronomy 9:5 KJV
Not for thy righteousness, or for the uprightness of thine heart, dost thou go to possess their land: but for the wickedness of these nations the Lord thy God doth drive them out from before thee, and that he may perform the word which the Lord sware unto thy fathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

After possessing the land that God promised them , they kept their mode of worship within their land and did not force their religion on any nation. They were waiting for the Messiah to come. And the Messiah is Jesus Christ.

When Jesus came he also preached peace and love.

But for Islam whose religion and seed is not from Isaac , it has been violence and killing without boundary and justification.

So biblical killings were justified?

enilove:


The killings in the Bible were not an open-ended type.

It was not meant to force people to accept any religion.
It was meant to give the Israelites a land where they would be separated from the pollution of idolaters to give the world an opportunity to be reconciled back to God through the seed of Abraham .

That was why God told Abraham to leave :
Genesis 12:1-3 KJV
Now the Lord had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee: [2] And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: [3] And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

Deuteronomy 9:5 KJV
Not for thy righteousness, or for the uprightness of thine heart, dost thou go to possess their land: but for the wickedness of these nations the Lord thy God doth drive them out from before thee, and that he may perform the word which the Lord sware unto thy fathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

After possessing the land that God promised them , they kept their mode of worship within their land and did not force their religion on any nation. They were waiting for the Messiah to come. And the Messiah is Jesus Christ.

When Jesus came he also preached peace and love.

But for Islam whose religion and seed is not from Isaac , it has been violence and killing without boundary and justification.

How many killings do we have from Jesus in the new testament? 0

What of the old testament? In hundreds or thousands!

well, Jesus is the same today, yesterday and tomorrow!

mujahid777:


Do 70% of the earth believe Jesus to be some divine being?
No they don't.
Does that make it right to publicly call him a liar or a lunatic?
No it doesn't?
Now,there are a myriad of ways they putt it,such as by calling him a teacher or a messiah claimant or the christian God.
I myself take no offence if they call Muhammad(SAW) a Prophethood claimant or make use of similar terms.
It all boils down to avoiding a plainly negative connotation
Publicly calling Muhammad(SAW) a liar is,in fact,the height of idiocity.

During the life time of Muhammed he called called a liar.
Allah SWT says:

وَإِذَا بَدَّلْنَآ ءَايَةً مَّكَانَ ءَايَةٍ ۙ وَاللَّهُ أَعْلَمُ بِمَا يُنَزِّلُ قَالُوٓا إِنَّمَآ أَنْتَ مُفْتَرٍ ۚ بَلْ أَكْثَرُهُمْ لَا يَعْلَمُونَ
"And when We substitute a verse in place of a verse - and Allah is most knowing of what He sends down - they say, "You, [O Muhammad], are but an inventor [of lies]." But most of them do not know."
(QS. An-Nahl: Verse 101)

He was called a liar because he kept changing one verse for another. Even the mode of worship like below :
Volume 1, Book 8, Number 394:
Bukhari
Narrated 'Abdullah:

The Prophet prayed (and the subnarrator Ibrahim said, "I do not know whether he prayed more or less than usual", and when he had finished the prayers he was asked, "O Allah's Apostle! Has there been any change in the prayers?" He said, "What is it?' The people said, "You have prayed so much and so much." So the Prophet bent his legs, faced the Qibla and performed two prostrations (of Sahu) and finished his prayers with Tasiim (by turning his face to right and left saying: 'As-Salamu'Alaikum-Warahmat-ullah'). When he turned his face to us he said, "If there had been anything changed in the prayer, surely I would have informed you but I am a human being like you and liable to forget like you. So if I forget remind me and if anyone of you is doubtful about his prayer, he should follow what he thinks to be correct and complete his prayer accordingly and finish it and do two prostrations (of Sahu)."

Continue lying...that's what you people are trained to do


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EX 17:13 With the Lord's approval, Joshua mows
down Amalek and his people.
EX 21:20-21 With the Lord's approval, a slave
may be beaten to death with no punishment for
the perpetrator as long as the slave doesn't die
too quickly.
EX 32:27 "Put every man his sword by his side,
and go in and out from gate to gate throughout
the camp, and slay every man his brother, and
every man his companion, and every man his
neighbor.
EX 32:27-29 With the Lord's approval, the
Israelites slay 3000 men.
LE 26:7-8 The Lord promises the Israelites that, if
they are obedient, their enemies will "fall before
your sword."
LE 26:22 "I will also send wild beasts among you,
which shall rob you of your children."
LE 26:29 , DT 28:53 , JE 19:9 , EZ 5:8-10 As a
punishment, the Lord will cause people to eat the
flesh of their own sons and daughters and fathers
and friends.
LE 27:29 Human sacrifice is condoned. (Note: An
example is given in JG 11:30-39 )
NU 11:33 The Lord smites the people with a great
plague.
NU 12:1-10 God makes Miriam a leper for seven
days because she and Aaron had spoken against
Moses.
NU 15:32-36 A Sabbath breaker (who had
gathered sticks for a fire) is stoned to death at
the Lord's command.
NU 16:27-33 The Lord causes the earth to open
and swallow up the men and their households
(including wives and children) because the men
had been rebellious.
NU 16:35 A fire from the Lord consumes 250
men.
NU 16:49 A plague from the Lord kills 14,700
people.
NU 21:3 The Israelites utterly destroy the
Canaanites.
NU 21:6 Fiery serpents, sent by the Lord, kill
many Israelites.
NU 21:35 With the Lord's approval, the Israelites
slay Og "... and his sons and all his people, until
there was not one survivor left ...."
NU 25:4 (KJV) "And the Lord said unto Moses,
take all the heads of the people, and hang them
up before the Lord against the sun ...."
NU 25:8 "He went after the man of Israel into the
tent, and thrust both of them through, the man of
Israel, and the woman through her belly."
NU 25:9 24,000 people die in a plague from the
Lord.
NU 31:9 The Israelites capture Midianite women
and children.
NU 31:17-18 Moses, following the Lord's
command, orders the Israelites to kill all the
Midianite male children and "... every woman who
has known man ...." (Note: How would it be
determined which women had known men? One
can only speculate.)
NU 31:31-40 32,000 virgins are taken by the
Israelites as booty. Thirty-two are set aside (to
be sacrificed?) as a tribute for the Lord.
DT 2:33-34 The Israelites utterly destroy the men,
women, and children of Sihon.
DT 3:6 The Israelites utterly destroy the men,
women, and children of Og.
DT 7:2 The Lord commands the Israelites to
"utterly destroy" and show "no mercy" to those
whom he gives them for defeat.
DT 20:13-14 "When the Lord delivers it into your
hand, put to the sword all the males .... As for
the women, the children, the livestock and
everything else in the city, you may take these as
plunder for yourselves."
DT 20:16 "In the cities of the nations the Lord is
giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive
anything that breathes."
DT 21:10-13 With the Lord's approval, the
Israelites are allowed to take "beautiful women"
from the enemy camp to be their captive wives.
If, after sexual relations, the husband has "no
delight" in his wife, he can simply let her go.
DT 28:53 "You will eat the fruit of the womb, the
flesh of the sons and daughters the Lord your
God has given you."
JS 1:1-9 , 18 Joshua receives the Lord's blessing
for all the bloody endeavors to follow.
JS 6:21-27 With the Lord's approval, Joshua
destroys the city of Jericho--men, women, and
children--with the edge of the sword.
JS 7:19-26 Achan, his children and his cattle are
stoned to death because Achan had taken a
taboo thing.
JS 8:22-25 With the Lord's approval, Joshua
utterly smites the people of Ai, killing 12,000 men
and women, so that there were none who
escaped.
JS 10:10-27 With the help of the Lord, Joshua
utterly destroys the Gibeonites.
JS 10:28 With the Lord's approval, Joshua utterly
destroys the people of Makkedah.
JS 10:30 With the Lord's approval, Joshua utterly
destroys the Libnahites.
JS 10:32-33 With the Lord's approval, Joshua
utterly destroys the people of Lachish.
JS 10:34-35 With the Lord's approval, Joshua
utterly destroys the Eglonites.
JS 10:36-37 With the Lord's approval, Joshua
utterly destroys the Hebronites.
JS 10:38-39 With the Lord's approval, Joshua
utterly destroys the Debirites.
JS 10:40 (A summary statement.) "So Joshua
defeated the whole land ...; he left none
remaining, but destroyed all that breathed, as the
Lord God of Israel commanded."
JS 11:6 The Lord orders horses to be hamstrung.
(Exceedingly cruel.)
JS 11:8-15 "And the lord gave them into the hand
of Israel, ...utterly destroying them; there was
none left that breathed ...."
JS 11:20 "For it was the Lord's doing to harden
their hearts that they should come against Israel
in battle, in order that they should be utterly
destroyed, and should receive no mercy but be
exterminated, as the Lord commanded Moses."
JS 11:21-23 Joshua utterly destroys the Anakim.
JG 1:4 With the Lord's support, Judah defeats
10,000 Canaanites at Bezek.
JG 1:6 With the Lord's approval, Judah pursues
Adoni-bezek, catches him, and cuts off his
thumbs and big toes.
JG 1:8 With the Lord's approval, Judah smites
Jerusalem.
JG 1:17 With the Lord's approval, Judah and
Simeon utterly destroy the Canaanites who
inhabited Zephath.
JG 3:29 The Israelites kill about 10,000 Moabites.
JG 3:31 (A restatement.) Shamgar killed 600
Philistines with an oxgoad.
JG 4:21 Jael takes a tent stake and hammers it
through the head of Sisera, fastening it to the
ground.
JG 7:19-25 The Gideons defeat the Midianites,
slay their princes, cut off their heads, and bring
the heads back to Gideon.
JG 8:15-21 The Gideons slaughter the men of
Penuel.
JG 9:5 Abimalech murders his brothers.
JG 9:45 Abimalech and his men kill all the people
in the city.
JG 9:53-54 "A woman dropped a stone on his
head and cracked his skull. Hurriedly he called to
his armor-bearer, 'Draw your sword and kill me,
so that they can't say a woman killed me.' So his
servant ran him through, and he died."
JG 11:29-39 Jepthah sacrifices his beloved
daughter, his only child, according to a vow he
has made with the Lord.
JG 14:19 The Spirit of the Lord comes upon a
man and causes him to slay thirty men.
JG 15:15 Samson slays 1000 men with the
jawbone of an ass.
JG 16:21 The Philistines gouge out Samson's
eyes.
JG 16:27-30 Samson, with the help of the Lord,
pulls down the pillars of the Philistine house and
causes his own death and that of 3000 other men
and women.
JG 18:27 The Danites slay the quiet and
unsuspecting people of Laish.
JG 19:22-29 A group of sexual depraved men
beat on the door of an old man's house
demanding that he turn over to them a male
house guest. Instead, the old man offers his
virgin daughter and his guest's concubine (or
wife): "Behold, here are my virgin daughter and
his concubine; let me bring them out now. Ravish
them and do with them what seems good to you;
but against this man do not do so vile a thing."
The man's concubine is ravished and dies. The
man then cuts her body into twelve pieces and
sends one piece to each of the twelve tribes of
Israel.
JG 20:43-48 The Israelites smite 25,000+ "men of
valor" from amongst the Benjamites, "men and
beasts and all that they found," and set their
towns on fire.
JG 21:10-12 "... Go and smite the inhabitants of
Jabesh-gilead with the edge of the sword and;
also the women and little ones.... every male and
every woman that has lain with a male you shall
utterly destroy." They do so and find four hundred
young virgins whom they bring back for their own
use.
1SA 4:10 The Philistines slay 30,000 Israelite foot
soldiers.
1SA 5:6-9 The Lord afflicts the Philistines with
tumors in their "secret parts," presumably for
having stolen the Ark.
1SA 6:19 God kills seventy men (or so) for
looking into the Ark (at him?). (Note: The early
Israelites apparently thought the Ark to be God's
abode.)
1SA 7:7-11 Samuel and his men smite the
Philistines.
1SA 11:11 With the Lord's blessing, Saul and his
men cut down the Ammonites.
1SA 14:31 Jonathan and his men strike down the
Philistines.
1SA 14:48 Saul smites the Amalekites.
1SA 15:3 , 7-8 "This is what the Lord says: Now
go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that
they have; do not spare them, but kill both man
and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep,
camel and ass ....' And Saul ... utterly destroyed
all the people with the edge of the sword."
1SA 15:33 "Samuel hewed Agag in pieces before
the Lord ...."
1SA 18:7 The women sing as they make merry:
"Saul has slain his thousands and David his ten
thousands."
1SA 27:8-11 "David left neither man nor woman
alive ....". (Note: This implies that children and
infants were included in the slaughter.)
1SA 30:17 David smites the Amalekites.
2SA 2:23 Abner kills Asahel.
2SA 3:30 Joab and Abishai kill Abner.
2SA 4:7-8 Rechan and Baanah kill Ish-bosheth,
behead him, and take his head to David.
2SA 4:12 David has Rechan and Baanah killed,
their hands and feet cut off, and their bodies
hanged by the pool at Hebron.
2SA 5:25 "And David did as the Lord commanded
him, and smote the Philistines ...."
2SA 6:2-23 Because she rebuked him for having
exposed himself, Michal (David's wife) was barren
throughout her life.
2SA 8:1-18 (A listing of some of David's
murderous conquests.)
2SA 8:4 David hamstrung all but a few of the
horses.
2SA 8:5 David slew 22,000 Syrians.
2SA 8:6 , 14 "The Lord gave victory to David
wherever he went."
2SA 8:13 David slew 18,000 Edomites in the
valley of salt and made the rest slaves.
2SA 10:18 David slew 47,000+ Syrians.
2SA 11:14-27 David has Uriah killed so that he
can marry Uriah's wife, Bathsheba.
2SA 12:1 , 19 The Lord strikes David's child dead
for the sin that David has committed.
2SA 13:1-15 Amnon loves his sister Tamar, rapes
her, then hates her.
2SA 13:28-29 Absalom has Amnon murdered.
2SA 18:6 -7 20,000 men are slaughtered at the
battle in the forest of Ephraim.
2SA 18:15 Joab's men murder Absalom.
2SA 20:10-12 Joab's men murder Amasa and
leave him "... wallowing in his own blood in the
highway. And anyone who came by, seeing him,
stopped."
2SA 24:15 The Lord sends a pestilence on Israel
that kills 70,000 men.
1KI 2:24-25 Solomon has Adonijah murdered.
1KI 2:29-34 Solomon has Joab murdered.
1KI 2:46 Solomon has Shime-i murdered.
1KI 13:15-24 A man is killed by a lion for eating
bread and drinking water in a place where the
Lord had previously told him not to. This is in
spite of the fact that the man had subsequently
been lied to by a prophet who told the man that
an angel of the Lord said that it would be alright
to eat and drink there.
1KI 20:29-30 The Israelites smite 100,000 Syrian
soldiers in one day. A wall falls on 27,000
remaining Syrians.
2KI 1:10-12 Fire from heaven comes down and
consumes fifty men.
2KI 2:23-24 Forty-two children are mauled and
killed, presumably according to the will of God,
for having jeered at a man of God.
2KI 5:27 Elisha curses Gehazi and his
descendants forever with leprosy.
2KI 6:18-19 The Lord answers Elisha's prayer and
strikes the Syrians with blindness. Elisha tricks
the blind Syrians and leads them to Samaria.
2KI 6:29 "So we cooked my son and ate him. The
next day I said to her, 'Give up your son so we
may eat him,' but she had hidden him."
2KI 9:24 Jehu tricks and murders Joram.
2KI 9:27 Jehu has Ahaziah killed.
2KI 9:30-37 Jehu has Jezebel killed. Her body is
trampled by horses. Dogs eat her flesh so that
only her skull, feet, and the palms of her hands
remain.
2KI 10:7 Jehu has Ahab's seventy sons beheaded,
then sends the heads to their father.
2KI 10:14 Jehu has forty-two of Ahab's kin killed.
2KI 10:17 "And when he came to Samaria, he
slew all that remained to Ahab in Samaria, till he
had wiped them out, according to the word of the
Lord ...."
2KI 10:19-27 Jehu uses trickery to massacre the
Baal worshippers.
2KI 11:1 Athaliah destroys all the royal family.
2KI 14:5 , 7 Amaziah kills his servants and then
10,000 Edomites.
2KI 15:3-5 Even though he did what was right in
the eyes of the Lord, the Lord smites Azariah with
leprosy for not having removed the "high places."
2KI 15:16 Menahem ripped open all the women
who were pregnant.
2KI 19:35 An angel of the Lord kills 185,000 men.
1CH 20:3 (KJV) "And he brought out the people
that were in it, and cut them with saws, and with
harrows of iron, and with axes."
2CH 13:17 500,000 Israelites are slaughtered.
2CH 21:4 Jehoram slays all his brothers.
PS 137:9 Happy will be the man who dashes your
little ones against the stones.
PS 144:1 God is praised as the one who trains
hands for war and fingers for battle.
IS 13:15 "Everyone who is captured will be thrust
through; all who are caught will fall by the
sword. Their infants will be dashed to pieces
before their eyes; their ... wives will be ravished."
IS 13:18 "Their bows also shall dash the young
men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the
fruit of the womb; their eye shall not spare
children."
IS 14:21-22 "Prepare slaughter for his children for
the iniquity of their fathers."
IS 49:26 The Lord will cause the oppressors of
the Israelite's to eat their own flesh and to
become drunk on their own blood as with wine.
JE 16:4 "They shall die grievous deaths; they
shall not be lamented; neither shall they be
buried; but they shall be as dung upon the face
of the earth: and they shall be consumed by the
sword, and by famine; and their carcasses shall
be meat for the fowls of heaven, and for the
beasts of the earth."
LA 4:9-10 "Those slain by the sword are better off
than those who die of famine; racked with
hunger, they waste away for lack of food. ...
pitiful women have cooked their own children,
who became their food ..."
EZ 6:12-13 The Lord says: "... they will fall by the
sword, famine and plague. He that is far away
will die of the plague, and he that is near will fall
by the sword, and he that survives and is spared
will die of famine. So will I spend my wrath upon
them. And they will know I am the Lord, when the
people lie slain among their idols around their
altars, on every high hill and on all the
mountaintops, under every spreading tree and
every leafy oak ...."
EZ 9:4-6 The Lord commands: "... slay old men
outright, young men and maidens, little children
and women ...."
EZ 20:26 In order that he might horrify them, the
Lord allowed the Israelites to defile themselves
through, amongst other things, the sacrifice of
their first-born children.
EZ 21:3-4 The Lord says that he will cut off both
the righteous and the wicked that his sword shall
go against all flesh.
EZ 23:25 , 47 God is going to slay the sons and
daughters of those who were whores.
EZ 23:34 "You shall ... pluck out your hair, and
tear your breasts."
HO 13:16 "They shall fall by the sword: their
infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their
women with child shall be ripped up."
MI 3:2-3 "... who pluck off their skin ..., and their
flesh from off their bones; Who also eat the flesh
of my people, and flay their skin from off them;
and they break their bones, and chop them in
pieces, as for the pot, and as flesh within the
caldron."
MT 3:12 , 8:12 , 10:21 , 13:30 , 42, 22:13 , 24:51 ,
25:30 , LK 13:28 , JN 5:24 Some will spend eternity
burning in Hell. There will be weeping, wailing and
gnashing of teeth.
MT 10:21 "... the brother shall deliver up his
brother to death, and the father his child, ...
children shall rise up against their parents, and
cause them to be put to death."
MT 10:35-36 "For I have come to turn a man
against his father, a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law a
man's enemies will be the members of his own
family."
MT 11:21-24 Jesus curses [the inhabitants of]
three cities who were not sufficiently impressed
with his great works.
AC 13:11 Paul purposefully blinds a man (though
not permanently).

....his followers continue his work,making daddy proud murdering millions in his name throughout the course of history

enilove:

[s]
During the life time of Muhammed he called called a liar.
Allah SWT says:

وَإِذَا بَدَّلْنَآ ءَايَةً مَّكَانَ ءَايَةٍ ۙ وَاللَّهُ أَعْلَمُ بِمَا يُنَزِّلُ قَالُوٓا إِنَّمَآ أَنْتَ مُفْتَرٍ ۚ بَلْ أَكْثَرُهُمْ لَا يَعْلَمُونَ
"And when We substitute a verse in place of a verse - and Allah is most knowing of what He sends down - they say, "You, [O Muhammad], are but an inventor [of lies]." But most of them do not know."
(QS. An-Nahl: Verse 101)

He was called a liar because he kept changing one verse for another. Even the mode of worship like below :
Volume 1, Book 8, Number 394:
Bukhari
Narrated 'Abdullah:

The Prophet prayed (and the subnarrator Ibrahim said, "I do not know whether he prayed more or less than usual", and when he had finished the prayers he was asked, "O Allah's Apostle! Has there been any change in the prayers?" He said, "What is it?' The people said, "You have prayed so much and so much." So the Prophet bent his legs, faced the Qibla and performed two prostrations (of Sahu) and finished his prayers with Tasiim (by turning his face to right and left saying: 'As-Salamu'Alaikum-Warahmat-ullah'). When he turned his face to us he said, "If there had been anything changed in the prayer, surely I would have informed you but I am a human being like you and liable to forget like you. So if I forget remind me and if anyone of you is doubtful about his prayer, he should follow what he thinks to be correct and complete his prayer accordingly and finish it and do two prostrations (of Sahu)."[/s]

Lol...
You guys keep shooting yourself at your own foot.What He(SAW) performed was simply the prostration of forgetfulness-something encountered by all Muslims.

mujahid777:

Who's stopping you from defending yourselve.Stupid cowards!

Muslims are the cowards. Why should you go about attacking people unawares if they are not cowards and so stupid to believe a lie that 72 virgins are waiting for them when they or are being killed.

enilove:



God is God . He is a Creator. He does not need a wife to have a son. If God Almighty says " this is my Son " , who are we to say it is not so. For example God created earthworm to be hamaphrodite , ie with male and female organs. A worm does not need a partner to reproduce. God designed it that way .
Even Quran says God can have a Son without a wife :
Allah SWT says:

لَّوْ أَرَادَ اللَّهُ أَنْ يَتَّخِذَ وَلَدًا لَّاصْطَفٰى مِمَّا يَخْلُقُ مَا يَشَآءُ ۚ سُبْحٰنَهُ ۥ ۖ هُوَ اللَّهُ الْوٰحِدُ الْقَهَّارُ
"If Allah had intended to take a son, He could have chosen from what He creates whatever He willed. Exalted is He; He is Allah, the One, the Prevailing."
(QS. Az-Zumar: Verse 4)

Jesus also told the Pharisees :

Matthew 3:9 KJV
And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

If God can raise children unto Abraham through stones , why do we think he has not created a Son for Himself.

It is strange though , but who are we to doubt when all the evidences are there.

God is a Creator and giver of life. Biblically Jesus did that.

This very issue was why Jesus was killed as well as his disciples.

Back to the point of the op , he was simply saying that every religion should respect other religion and not impose its religion on others because it is provocative. Respect other people's​ belief .

In summary,Jesus was created;this isn't mainstream xtianit.This is in fact heretical.

enilove:


Muslims are the cowards. Why should you go about attacking people unawares if they are not cowards and so stupid to believe a lie that 72 virgins are waiting for them when they or are being killed.

Be specific,which Muslims are you referring to

mujahid777:

Be specific,which Muslims are you referring to

If you are a Muslim , you are a coward

This ur write up reminds me of one popular guy/girl on Here. Cant really remember d moniker. Parisbookaddict or so. I know the person don change name tire for here. Im thinking u re dat person..

enilove:



I will respond to your last paragraph that says "we will not allow you to practice what you term religion...."

How do Muslims intend to do that? By violence and murdering , is that not so?

Let me tell you , any direct attack on Christians again will spell doom for your religion. We Christians are ready to destroy the Muslims wherever they are living if that is what your useless religion teaches you and want. The time has come to attack or kill anyone that kills the Christians . Just wait and see.

I know that when you get your people destroyed , your type will be first to find fault and pass blame.

Islam is a satanic religion and Allah is not God Almighty.
Muhammed was not a prophet to we the Christians .

If all religion had been forcing people to accept their religions b4 Islam came , would there be any one called a Muslim.

Know this fact that a fake product is always coming after the original product has been in the market.
Islam is false. That was why it could not convince anyone to freely accept it but by force.
Islam will soon have the taste of what it started. Very very soon. I know that for Islam to learn and desist from violence, it the hard way the only way for them.

The devil, allah, husband of allat , promised you hell after your death.

Volume 1, Book 12, Number 770:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

The people said, "O Allah's Apostle! Shall we see our Lord on the Day of Resurrection?" He replied, "Do you have any doubt in seeing the full moon on a clear (not cloudy) night?" They replied, "No, O Allah's Apostle!" He said, "Do you have any doubt in seeing the sun when there are no clouds?" They replied in the negative. He said, "You will see Allah (your Lord) in the same way. On the Day of Resurrection, people will be gathered and He will order the people to follow what they used to worship. So some of them will follow the sun, some will follow the moon, and some will follow other deities; and only this nation (Muslims) will be left with its hypocrites. Allah will come to them and say, 'I am Your Lord.' They will say, 'We shall stay in this place till our Lord comes to us and when our Lord will come, we will recognize Him. Then Allah will come to them again and say, 'I am your Lord.' They will say, 'You are our Lord.' Allah will call them, and As-Sirat (a bridge) will be laid across Hell and I (Muhammad) shall be the first amongst the Apostles to cross it with my followers. Nobody except the Apostles will then be able to speak and they will be saying then, 'O Allah! Save us. O Allah Save us.'

There will be hooks like the thorns of Sa'dan in Hell. Have you seen the thorns of Sa'dan?" The people said, "Yes." He said, "These hooks will be like the thorns of Sa'dan but nobody except Allah knows their greatness in size and these will entangle the people according to their deeds; some of them will fall and stay in Hell forever; others will receive punishment (torn into small pieces) and will get out of Hell, till when Allah intends mercy on whomever He likes amongst the people of Hell, He will order the angels to take out of Hell those who worshipped none but Him alone. The angels will take them out by recognizing them from the traces of prostrations, for Allah has forbidden the (Hell) fire to eat away those traces. So they will come out of the Fire, it will eat away from the whole of the human body except the marks of the prostrations. At that time they will come out of the Fire as mere skeletons........

mujahid777:


You're a confirm LUNATIC,for trying to justify the atrocities of your murdered god ;


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EX 17:13 With the Lord's approval, Joshua mows
down Amalek and his people.
EX 21:20-21 With the Lord's approval, a slave
may be beaten to death with no punishment for
the perpetrator as long as the slave doesn't die
too quickly.
EX 32:27 "Put every man his sword by his side,
and go in and out from gate to gate throughout
the camp, and slay every man his brother, and
every man his companion, and every man his
neighbor.
EX 32:27-29 With the Lord's approval, the
Israelites slay 3000 men.
LE 26:7-8 The Lord promises the Israelites that, if
they are obedient, their enemies will "fall before
your sword."
LE 26:22 "I will also send wild beasts among you,
which shall rob you of your children."
LE 26:29 , DT 28:53 , JE 19:9 , EZ 5:8-10 As a
punishment, the Lord will cause people to eat the
flesh of their own sons and daughters and fathers
and friends.
LE 27:29 Human sacrifice is condoned. (Note: An
example is given in JG 11:30-39 )
NU 11:33 The Lord smites the people with a great
plague.
NU 12:1-10 God makes Miriam a leper for seven
days because she and Aaron had spoken against
Moses.
NU 15:32-36 A Sabbath breaker (who had
gathered sticks for a fire) is stoned to death at
the Lord's command.
NU 16:27-33 The Lord causes the earth to open
and swallow up the men and their households
(including wives and children) because the men
had been rebellious.
NU 16:35 A fire from the Lord consumes 250
men.
NU 16:49 A plague from the Lord kills 14,700
people.
NU 21:3 The Israelites utterly destroy the
Canaanites.
NU 21:6 Fiery serpents, sent by the Lord, kill
many Israelites.
NU 21:35 With the Lord's approval, the Israelites
slay Og "... and his sons and all his people, until
there was not one survivor left ...."
NU 25:4 (KJV) "And the Lord said unto Moses,
take all the heads of the people, and hang them
up before the Lord against the sun ...."
NU 25:8 "He went after the man of Israel into the
tent, and thrust both of them through, the man of
Israel, and the woman through her belly."
NU 25:9 24,000 people die in a plague from the
Lord.
NU 31:9 The Israelites capture Midianite women
and children.
NU 31:17-18 Moses, following the Lord's
command, orders the Israelites to kill all the
Midianite male children and "... every woman who
has known man ...." (Note: How would it be
determined which women had known men? One
can only speculate.)
NU 31:31-40 32,000 virgins are taken by the
Israelites as booty. Thirty-two are set aside (to
be sacrificed?) as a tribute for the Lord.
DT 2:33-34 The Israelites utterly destroy the men,
women, and children of Sihon.
DT 3:6 The Israelites utterly destroy the men,
women, and children of Og.
DT 7:2 The Lord commands the Israelites to
"utterly destroy" and show "no mercy" to those
whom he gives them for defeat.
DT 20:13-14 "When the Lord delivers it into your
hand, put to the sword all the males .... As for
the women, the children, the livestock and
everything else in the city, you may take these as
plunder for yourselves."
DT 20:16 "In the cities of the nations the Lord is
giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive
anything that breathes."
DT 21:10-13 With the Lord's approval, the
Israelites are allowed to take "beautiful women"
from the enemy camp to be their captive wives.
If, after sexual relations, the husband has "no
delight" in his wife, he can simply let her go.
DT 28:53 "You will eat the fruit of the womb, the
flesh of the sons and daughters the Lord your
God has given you."
JS 1:1-9 , 18 Joshua receives the Lord's blessing
for all the bloody endeavors to follow.
JS 6:21-27 With the Lord's approval, Joshua
destroys the city of Jericho--men, women, and
children--with the edge of the sword.
JS 7:19-26 Achan, his children and his cattle are
stoned to death because Achan had taken a
taboo thing.
JS 8:22-25 With the Lord's approval, Joshua
utterly smites the people of Ai, killing 12,000 men
and women, so that there were none who
escaped.
JS 10:10-27 With the help of the Lord, Joshua
utterly destroys the Gibeonites.
JS 10:28 With the Lord's approval, Joshua utterly
destroys the people of Makkedah.
JS 10:30 With the Lord's approval, Joshua utterly
destroys the Libnahites.
JS 10:32-33 With the Lord's approval, Joshua
utterly destroys the people of Lachish.
JS 10:34-35 With the Lord's approval, Joshua
utterly destroys the Eglonites.
JS 10:36-37 With the Lord's approval, Joshua
utterly destroys the Hebronites.
JS 10:38-39 With the Lord's approval, Joshua
utterly destroys the Debirites.
JS 10:40 (A summary statement.) "So Joshua
defeated the whole land ...; he left none
remaining, but destroyed all that breathed, as the
Lord God of Israel commanded."
JS 11:6 The Lord orders horses to be hamstrung.
(Exceedingly cruel.)
JS 11:8-15 "And the lord gave them into the hand
of Israel, ...utterly destroying them; there was
none left that breathed ...."
JS 11:20 "For it was the Lord's doing to harden
their hearts that they should come against Israel
in battle, in order that they should be utterly
destroyed, and should receive no mercy but be
exterminated, as the Lord commanded Moses."
JS 11:21-23 Joshua utterly destroys the Anakim.
JG 1:4 With the Lord's support, Judah defeats
10,000 Canaanites at Bezek.
JG 1:6 With the Lord's approval, Judah pursues
Adoni-bezek, catches him, and cuts off his
thumbs and big toes.
JG 1:8 With the Lord's approval, Judah smites
Jerusalem.
JG 1:17 With the Lord's approval, Judah and
Simeon utterly destroy the Canaanites who
inhabited Zephath.
JG 3:29 The Israelites kill about 10,000 Moabites.
JG 3:31 (A restatement.) Shamgar killed 600
Philistines with an oxgoad.
JG 4:21 Jael takes a tent stake and hammers it
through the head of Sisera, fastening it to the
ground.
JG 7:19-25 The Gideons defeat the Midianites,
slay their princes, cut off their heads, and bring
the heads back to Gideon.
JG 8:15-21 The Gideons slaughter the men of
Penuel.
JG 9:5 Abimalech murders his brothers.
JG 9:45 Abimalech and his men kill all the people
in the city.
JG 9:53-54 "A woman dropped a stone on his
head and cracked his skull. Hurriedly he called to
his armor-bearer, 'Draw your sword and kill me,
so that they can't say a woman killed me.' So his
servant ran him through, and he died."
JG 11:29-39 Jepthah sacrifices his beloved
daughter, his only child, according to a vow he
has made with the Lord.
JG 14:19 The Spirit of the Lord comes upon a
man and causes him to slay thirty men.
JG 15:15 Samson slays 1000 men with the
jawbone of an ass.
JG 16:21 The Philistines gouge out Samson's
eyes.
JG 16:27-30 Samson, with the help of the Lord,
pulls down the pillars of the Philistine house and
causes his own death and that of 3000 other men
and women.
JG 18:27 The Danites slay the quiet and
unsuspecting people of Laish.
JG 19:22-29 A group of sexual depraved men
beat on the door of an old man's house
demanding that he turn over to them a male
house guest. Instead, the old man offers his
virgin daughter and his guest's concubine (or
wife): "Behold, here are my virgin daughter and
his concubine; let me bring them out now. Ravish
them and do with them what seems good to you;
but against this man do not do so vile a thing."
The man's concubine is ravished and dies. The
man then cuts her body into twelve pieces and
sends one piece to each of the twelve tribes of
Israel.
JG 20:43-48 The Israelites smite 25,000+ "men of
valor" from amongst the Benjamites, "men and
beasts and all that they found," and set their
towns on fire.
JG 21:10-12 "... Go and smite the inhabitants of
Jabesh-gilead with the edge of the sword and;
also the women and little ones.... every male and
every woman that has lain with a male you shall
utterly destroy." They do so and find four hundred
young virgins whom they bring back for their own
use.
1SA 4:10 The Philistines slay 30,000 Israelite foot
soldiers.
1SA 5:6-9 The Lord afflicts the Philistines with
tumors in their "secret parts," presumably for
having stolen the Ark.
1SA 6:19 God kills seventy men (or so) for
looking into the Ark (at him?). (Note: The early
Israelites apparently thought the Ark to be God's
abode.)
1SA 7:7-11 Samuel and his men smite the
Philistines.
1SA 11:11 With the Lord's blessing, Saul and his
men cut down the Ammonites.
1SA 14:31 Jonathan and his men strike down the
Philistines.
1SA 14:48 Saul smites the Amalekites.
1SA 15:3 , 7-8 "This is what the Lord says: Now
go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that
they have; do not spare them, but kill both man
and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep,
camel and ass ....' And Saul ... utterly destroyed
all the people with the edge of the sword."
1SA 15:33 "Samuel hewed Agag in pieces before
the Lord ...."
1SA 18:7 The women sing as they make merry:
"Saul has slain his thousands and David his ten
thousands."
1SA 27:8-11 "David left neither man nor woman
alive ....". (Note: This implies that children and
infants were included in the slaughter.)
1SA 30:17 David smites the Amalekites.
2SA 2:23 Abner kills Asahel.
2SA 3:30 Joab and Abishai kill Abner.
2SA 4:7-8 Rechan and Baanah kill Ish-bosheth,
behead him, and take his head to David.
2SA 4:12 David has Rechan and Baanah killed,
their hands and feet cut off, and their bodies
hanged by the pool at Hebron.
2SA 5:25 "And David did as the Lord commanded
him, and smote the Philistines ...."
2SA 6:2-23 Because she rebuked him for having
exposed himself, Michal (David's wife) was barren
throughout her life.
2SA 8:1-18 (A listing of some of David's
murderous conquests.)
2SA 8:4 David hamstrung all but a few of the
horses.
2SA 8:5 David slew 22,000 Syrians.
2SA 8:6 , 14 "The Lord gave victory to David
wherever he went."
2SA 8:13 David slew 18,000 Edomites in the
valley of salt and made the rest slaves.
2SA 10:18 David slew 47,000+ Syrians.
2SA 11:14-27 David has Uriah killed so that he
can marry Uriah's wife, Bathsheba.
2SA 12:1 , 19 The Lord strikes David's child dead
for the sin that David has committed.
2SA 13:1-15 Amnon loves his sister Tamar, rapes
her, then hates her.
2SA 13:28-29 Absalom has Amnon murdered.
2SA 18:6 -7 20,000 men are slaughtered at the
battle in the forest of Ephraim.
2SA 18:15 Joab's men murder Absalom.
2SA 20:10-12 Joab's men murder Amasa and
leave him "... wallowing in his own blood in the
highway. And anyone who came by, seeing him,
stopped."
2SA 24:15 The Lord sends a pestilence on Israel
that kills 70,000 men.
1KI 2:24-25 Solomon has Adonijah murdered.
1KI 2:29-34 Solomon has Joab murdered.
1KI 2:46 Solomon has Shime-i murdered.
1KI 13:15-24 A man is killed by a lion for eating
bread and drinking water in a place where the
Lord had previously told him not to. This is in
spite of the fact that the man had subsequently
been lied to by a prophet who told the man that
an angel of the Lord said that it would be alright
to eat and drink there.
1KI 20:29-30 The Israelites smite 100,000 Syrian
soldiers in one day. A wall falls on 27,000
remaining Syrians.
2KI 1:10-12 Fire from heaven comes down and
consumes fifty men.
2KI 2:23-24 Forty-two children are mauled and
killed, presumably according to the will of God,
for having jeered at a man of God.
2KI 5:27 Elisha curses Gehazi and his
descendants forever with leprosy.
2KI 6:18-19 The Lord answers Elisha's prayer and
strikes the Syrians with blindness. Elisha tricks
the blind Syrians and leads them to Samaria.
2KI 6:29 "So we cooked my son and ate him. The
next day I said to her, 'Give up your son so we
may eat him,' but she had hidden him."
2KI 9:24 Jehu tricks and murders Joram.
2KI 9:27 Jehu has Ahaziah killed.
2KI 9:30-37 Jehu has Jezebel killed. Her body is
trampled by horses. Dogs eat her flesh so that
only her skull, feet, and the palms of her hands
remain.
2KI 10:7 Jehu has Ahab's seventy sons beheaded,
then sends the heads to their father.
2KI 10:14 Jehu has forty-two of Ahab's kin killed.
2KI 10:17 "And when he came to Samaria, he
slew all that remained to Ahab in Samaria, till he
had wiped them out, according to the word of the
Lord ...."
2KI 10:19-27 Jehu uses trickery to massacre the
Baal worshippers.
2KI 11:1 Athaliah destroys all the royal family.
2KI 14:5 , 7 Amaziah kills his servants and then
10,000 Edomites.
2KI 15:3-5 Even though he did what was right in
the eyes of the Lord, the Lord smites Azariah with
leprosy for not having removed the "high places."
2KI 15:16 Menahem ripped open all the women
who were pregnant.
2KI 19:35 An angel of the Lord kills 185,000 men.
1CH 20:3 (KJV) "And he brought out the people
that were in it, and cut them with saws, and with
harrows of iron, and with axes."
2CH 13:17 500,000 Israelites are slaughtered.
2CH 21:4 Jehoram slays all his brothers.
PS 137:9 Happy will be the man who dashes your
little ones against the stones.
PS 144:1 God is praised as the one who trains
hands for war and fingers for battle.
IS 13:15 "Everyone who is captured will be thrust
through; all who are caught will fall by the
sword. Their infants will be dashed to pieces
before their eyes; their ... wives will be ravished."
IS 13:18 "Their bows also shall dash the young
men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the
fruit of the womb; their eye shall not spare
children."
IS 14:21-22 "Prepare slaughter for his children for
the iniquity of their fathers."
IS 49:26 The Lord will cause the oppressors of
the Israelite's to eat their own flesh and to
become drunk on their own blood as with wine.
JE 16:4 "They shall die grievous deaths; they
shall not be lamented; neither shall they be
buried; but they shall be as dung upon the face
of the earth: and they shall be consumed by the
sword, and by famine; and their carcasses shall
be meat for the fowls of heaven, and for the
beasts of the earth."
LA 4:9-10 "Those slain by the sword are better off
than those who die of famine; racked with
hunger, they waste away for lack of food. ...
pitiful women have cooked their own children,
who became their food ..."
EZ 6:12-13 The Lord says: "... they will fall by the
sword, famine and plague. He that is far away
will die of the plague, and he that is near will fall
by the sword, and he that survives and is spared
will die of famine. So will I spend my wrath upon
them. And they will know I am the Lord, when the
people lie slain among their idols around their
altars, on every high hill and on all the
mountaintops, under every spreading tree and
every leafy oak ...."
EZ 9:4-6 The Lord commands: "... slay old men
outright, young men and maidens, little children
and women ...."
EZ 20:26 In order that he might horrify them, the
Lord allowed the Israelites to defile themselves
through, amongst other things, the sacrifice of
their first-born children.
EZ 21:3-4 The Lord says that he will cut off both
the righteous and the wicked that his sword shall
go against all flesh.
EZ 23:25 , 47 God is going to slay the sons and
daughters of those who were whores.
EZ 23:34 "You shall ... pluck out your hair, and
tear your breasts."
HO 13:16 "They shall fall by the sword: their
infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their
women with child shall be ripped up."
MI 3:2-3 "... who pluck off their skin ..., and their
flesh from off their bones; Who also eat the flesh
of my people, and flay their skin from off them;
and they break their bones, and chop them in
pieces, as for the pot, and as flesh within the
caldron."
MT 3:12 , 8:12 , 10:21 , 13:30 , 42, 22:13 , 24:51 ,
25:30 , LK 13:28 , JN 5:24 Some will spend eternity
burning in Hell. There will be weeping, wailing and
gnashing of teeth.
MT 10:21 "... the brother shall deliver up his
brother to death, and the father his child, ...
children shall rise up against their parents, and
cause them to be put to death."
MT 10:35-36 "For I have come to turn a man
against his father, a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law a
man's enemies will be the members of his own
family."
MT 11:21-24 Jesus curses [the inhabitants of]
three cities who were not sufficiently impressed
with his great works.
AC 13:11 Paul purposefully blinds a man (though
not permanently).

....his followers continue his work,making daddy proud murdering millions in his name throughout the course of history

Why cursing ?

Don't you know the word of God regarding cursing ?
Psalm 109:17-18 KJV
As he loved cursing, so let it come unto him: as he delighted not in blessing, so let it be far from him. [18] As he clothed himself with cursing like as with his garment, so let it come into his bowels like water, and like oil into his bones.

Surely , that curse is not for me , in Jesus name.

enilove:


Why cursing ?

Don't you know the word of God regarding cursing ?
Psalm 109:17-18 KJV
As he loved cursing, so let it come unto him: as he delighted not in blessing, so let it be far from him. [18] As he clothed himself with cursing like as with his garment, so let it come into his bowels like water, and like oil into his bones.

Surely , that curse is not for me , in Jesus name.

I didn't curse anybody.I only called someone who thinks genocide and mass rape justifiable a lunatic.

Look at Afrucans debating over white men religions.nawa o.
BTW,Traditionalists believe in many deities through which they connect with GOD..
Traditionalists believe in God,their belief in deities is no different from your belief in Jesus or Mohammed..
You pray through Jesus/Mohammed,they pray through Obatala et al...Nodifference

HarkymTheOracle:
Look at Afrucans debating over white men religions.nawa o.
BTW,Traditionalists believe in many deities through which they connect with GOD..
Traditionalists believe in God,their belief in deities is no different from your belief in Jesus or Mohammed..
You pray through Jesus/Mohammed,they pray through Obatala et al...Nodifference

Your perspective is interesting but a bit tngential.

Muslims believe that Obatala and such like are idols.

Do they have the right to say that in public?

It is not provocative at all, since it doesn't change who he is. If it were, He would have fought for himself.

enilove:



I will respond to your last paragraph that says "we will not allow you to practice what you term religion...."

How do Muslims intend to do that? By violence and murdering , is that not so?

Let me tell you , any direct attack on Christians again will spell doom for your religion. We Christians are ready to destroy the Muslims wherever they are living if that is what your useless religion teaches you and want. The time has come to attack or kill anyone that kills the Christians . Just wait and see.

I know that when you get your people destroyed , your type will be first to find fault and pass blame.

Islam is a satanic religion and Allah is not God Almighty.
Muhammed was not a prophet to we the Christians .

If all religion had been forcing people to accept their religions b4 Islam came , would there be any one called a Muslim.

Know this fact that a fake product is always coming after the original product has been in the market.
Islam is false. That was why it could not convince anyone to freely accept it but by force.
Islam will soon have the taste of what it started. Very very soon. I know that for Islam to learn and desist from violence, it the hard way the only way for them.

The devil, allah, husband of allat , promised you hell after your death.

Volume 1, Book 12, Number 770:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

The people said, "O Allah's Apostle! Shall we see our Lord on the Day of Resurrection?" He replied, "Do you have any doubt in seeing the full moon on a clear (not cloudy) night?" They replied, "No, O Allah's Apostle!" He said, "Do you have any doubt in seeing the sun when there are no clouds?" They replied in the negative. He said, "You will see Allah (your Lord) in the same way. On the Day of Resurrection, people will be gathered and He will order the people to follow what they used to worship. So some of them will follow the sun, some will follow the moon, and some will follow other deities; and only this nation (Muslims) will be left with its hypocrites. Allah will come to them and say, 'I am Your Lord.' They will say, 'We shall stay in this place till our Lord comes to us and when our Lord will come, we will recognize Him. Then Allah will come to them again and say, 'I am your Lord.' They will say, 'You are our Lord.' Allah will call them, and As-Sirat (a bridge) will be laid across Hell and I (Muhammad) shall be the first amongst the Apostles to cross it with my followers. Nobody except the Apostles will then be able to speak and they will be saying then, 'O Allah! Save us. O Allah Save us.'

There will be hooks like the thorns of Sa'dan in Hell. Have you seen the thorns of Sa'dan?" The people said, "Yes." He said, "These hooks will be like the thorns of Sa'dan but nobody except Allah knows their greatness in size and these will entangle the people according to their deeds; some of them will fall and stay in Hell forever; others will receive punishment (torn into small pieces) and will get out of Hell, till when Allah intends mercy on whomever He likes amongst the people of Hell, He will order the angels to take out of Hell those who worshipped none but Him alone. The angels will take them out by recognizing them from the traces of prostrations, for Allah has forbidden the (Hell) fire to eat away those traces. So they will come out of the Fire, it will eat away from the whole of the human body except the marks of the prostrations. At that time they will come out of the Fire as mere skeletons........

This one of your problems, you qouted a hadith without reflecting over it is meaning. The hadith you qouted depicts events of the day of resurrection. On that day believers will see Allaah and seeing Him is more pleasing than entering paradise.

But who are the believers that will make paradise? Believers are people who believe in oneness of Allaah, His Lordship, and worship none but Him. Thay also believe in His angels, the books He revealed to His messengers, His prophets and messengers, the day of resurrection, and divine decree.
Allaah created mankind in order to test him. He who pass that test will be rewarded with paradise in the hereafter while he who fail the test will punished in hellfire. Allaah is just and has forbidden injustice for Himself and among His servants. Therefore, to ensure justice, Allaah choose the best among each nation and send him as prophet or messenger of Allaah to his people calling them to believe in oneness of Allaah and isolate Him in their worship. He also serve as a warner of the severe punishment for wrongdoers and Allaah's mercy for the righteous.

The first of Allaah's prophets on earth was Prophet Adam (pbuh) and the last of them was Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). Inbetween, there were hundreds of prophets the stories of some were narrated to us by Allaah in His books while keeping the stories of others to Himself. All the prophets called to one thing: believe in oneness, and worshipping of, Allaah alone. The laws governing the day to day affairs of the people differ based on the circumstance of the people, for example, it is allow for a brother to marry his sister among the people of Prophet Adam (pbuh) but forbidden among the people of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

This arrangement continued up to the time of Jesus (pbuh). Jesus (pbuh) was send to the children of Israel at a time when there was so much corruption among them. They have altered the book send to them by Allah through Moses (pbuh), they encouraged usury among themsleves, they stone and kills prophets of Allaah. It was at this difficult time that Allaah choose and send Prophet Jesus (pbuh) to them with a new book: Gospel. Gospel confirmed what was in the Torah, relaxes some of the restrictions in the Torah, and described the characteristics of the prophet that will succeed Jesus (pbuh). Once Jesus (pbuh) appeared it is expected that all those that believed in what Moses (pbuh) brought in the Torah should now believe in the new messenger (Jesus-pbuh) and use the Gospel to judge among people. Whoever among the children of Israel and others that lived at the time he preached and the 600 years that followed his ascend to heaven and just before Muhammad (pbuh) was called to prophethood belongs to the people of Jesus (pbuh). For one to be a believer during that people he must believe in Allaah, believe in prophethood and messengership of Jesus (pbuh), believe in the Gospel that was brought and used by Jesus (pbuh), believe in angels of Allaah, believe in the books that preceeded Gospel and the prophets that brought them. Anyone that lived during that period who rejected the calling of Jesus (pbuh) having seen or heard the messege in it is pure form is a disbeliver and is currently being punished for his disbelieve.

Period of the prophethood and messengership of Jesus (pbuh) ended with the beginning of messengership of Muhammad (pbuh). Whoever lives in the period from the day Muhammad recieved his first revealation to the beginning of the hour belongs to the people of Muhammad. For one to be a believer during this period he must believe in oneness of Allaah, believe in the messengership of Muhammad (pbuh), believe in angels, believe in Allaah's books, in believe in the prophethood of all of Allaah's prophets (those known and those unknown) from Adam (pbuh) to Jesus (pbuh), believe in day of resurrection, and believe in devine decree. Whoever see or hear the call of Muhammad in it is pure, correct, and undiluted form and rejected it is a disbeliever and if he dies on that path will never make paradise. Whoever live in this period but did not see or hear about the call of Muhammad (pbuh) in it is pure, correct, and undiluted form ( this is the case of many people in europe, americas, and hinterlands all over the world) will not be punished by Allaah for his disbelieve but will be tested on the day of judgement.

It is generally believed that whoever die while believing and worshipping Allaah alone and affirming that Muhammad (pbuh) is His servant and messenger will eventually make paradise. Some people will be punished according to the gravity of their sins before being admitted to paradise as long as they did not die worshipping others besides Allaah. Those are people referred to in that hadith.

As for the issue of violence to alluded to, that is your imagination and it portray who you really are. I said we will not allow to continue spreading falsehood "unchallenged" but you dicided to skip that part. Well, this is part of that challenge I referred to, presenting you with evidences from your own book, our own book, and from rational point ofn view until truth becomes obvious to you.

It is only people with poor historical accounts that associates Islam with violence. No dounbt, Jihad is prescribed for this nation by Allaah and we are ever ready to partake in it. However, it is known historical fact that it was the Pagans of Arabia that persecuted Muslims the same way early followers of Jesus (pbuh) were persecuted. Some Muslims were forced to migrate to Abysinia (Ethiopia) and later the disbelievers plot to kill the prophet just like they did to Jesus (pbuh). This forced the Muslims to leave their hometown of Makkah and migrate to Madinah. Then Jihad was prescribed and they took revenge and overpowered the disbelivers.

Over the years, disbelievers have become notorious in chasing innocent prophets of Allaah out of their hometowns ( read the stories of prophets Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad -pbuh). They mocked and stones prophets and in some instances killed them. Prophet Muhammad's (pbuh) is to last to the end of the world hence the need for Muslims to keep the transgression of the disbelievers in check.

And finally, Islam is a religion of Allaah, if anyone could destroy it those before you would certainly have done so. You can not be more powerful than the people of Noah (pbuh) but Allaah destroyed them with water. You can not be more powerful than the Phaor but Allaah destroyed him and gave victory to His servant and messenger Moses (pbuh) and his people. You can not be more powerful than the Qurysh pagans, the Roman empire or the Persian empire but Allaah destroyed them and gave victory to His servant and messenger Muhammad (pbuh).

aribisala0:

Your perspective is interesting but a bit tngential.

Muslims believe that Obatala and such like are idols.

Do they have the right to say that in public?

They dont have the right,but they do it anyways cos they think they are superior..

aribisala0:


That is the Islamic belief. We already know what you believe.No one asked you
Whatever relevance you place to prophethod is irrelevant to a people who believe HE IS GOD>
You are in effect refuting their entire religion. My issue is not that you should change your belief but do you understand.

Do you understand that when you say it to their face it offends them. So is your position to that

That is too bad they are wrong and we don't care?

What we are asking is it it provocative to come out in public to air beliefs if they are offensiveto other religions?

Surely you understand simple English

Is it OK for Muslims to come out in public and tell people that their deities are idols because the Quran or Islam says so or should the keep this to themselves

Similarly is it acceptable for those who share equal and opposite beliefs about Muhammad or Islam to do so in public?

That is the nub of this thread so can we deal with the issues and not what you believe or do not believe

If I believe that Muhammad is a liar who fabricated the Quran can I speak my beliefs freely?

You missed the point. We also feel offended any time they refer to Jesus (pbuh) as son of god or god just like they feel offended if we refer to him as a noble prophet and messenger of Allaah.

And lastly to your question. Yes you can refer to him as such if you provide proof from our books where he said he fabricated the Quran. Whenever we say Jesus (pbuh) is not God neither is he son of God we quote verses from their book where Jesus (pbuh) said so. We are just echoing what they use to hide.

bahaushe1:


You missed the point. We also feel offended any time they refer to Jesus (pbuh) as son of god or god just like they feel offended if we refer to him as a noble prophet and messenger of Allaah.

And lastly to your question. Yes you can refer to him as such if you provide proof from our books where he said he fabricated the Quran. Whenever we say Jesus (pbuh) is not God neither is he son of God we quote verses from their book where Jesus (pbuh) said so. We are just echoing what they use to hide.

You are either missing the point or deliberately chooosing to be stupid.



This thread is not about proof, or right or wrong.
The fact is that some people BELIEVE Jesus is God. Many others including ME do not.

If a believer of ONE religion reserves the right to assert that the beliefs in another religion are wrong then they must accept the right of others to say that their own beliefs are wrong. ALL THEIR BELIEFS

So stop talking about books

An atheist does not believe in God. So Muhammad's claim that God gave him the Quran must be false to an atheist.
Than means to an atheist Muhammad is a liar or he is deluded with a mental affliction. Now I think it would be provocative for an atheist to say that publicly not because of right or wrong considerations but out of respect.
The same should apply to Muslims calling Ogun or Sango idols or Jesus a prophet.

The absolute reality is neither Christians or Muslims can prove that their books are not fiction.
So let us stop referring to books and focus on the issue of this thread which is :

whether or not you think a people in another religion are wrong you have to be respectful if you want them to respect your belief.


Do you know that
The Christian belief is that Muhammad is a false prophet
It would be disrespectful for them to say so publicly
The moment you call Jesus a prophet you give up any right to demand respect for your own belief .This applies equally the moment you call any deities idols. You should restrict that to your mosque or Musli only audiences