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aribisala0:
You are either missing the point or deliberately chooosing to be stupid.



This thread is not about proof, or right or wrong.
The fact is that some people BELIEVE Jesus is God. Many others including ME do not.

If a believer of ONE religion reserves the right to assert that the beliefs in another religion are wrong then they must accept the right of others to say that their own beliefs are wrong. ALL THEIR BELIEFS

So stop talking about books

An atheist does not believe in God. So Muhammad's claim that God gave him the Quran must be false to an atheist.
Than means to an atheist Muhammad is a liar or he is deluded with a mental affliction. Now I think it would be provocative for an atheist to say that publicly not because of right or wrong considerations but out of respect.
The same should apply to Muslims calling Ogun or Sango idols or Jesus a prophet.

The absolute reality is neither Christians or Muslims can prove that their books are not fiction.
So let us stop referring to books and focus on the issue of this thread which is :

whether or not you think a people in another religion are wrong you have to be respectful if you want them to respect your belief.


Do you know that
The Christian belief is that Muhammad is a false prophet
It would be disrespectful for them to say so publicly
The moment you call Jesus a prophet you give up any right to demand respect for your own belief .This applies equally the moment you call any deities idols. You should restrict that to your mosque or Musli only audiences

Stupid? I am not raised to address people that way.

Bye!

RapportNaija:
Stop beating around the bush.

You were taught Christianity, and it is expected that whatever you are taught, you should apply wisdom.

First you didn't want to "ascertain" if Jesus is truly "Son of God", and yet you fixated on it that without it, Christianity has no base.

Your belief is yours, and I respect it.

The same way you were taught the only way to God is via Jesus, is the same way the Quran says all other religions apart from Islam are untrue and not pure.

There were Jews before Christ came, and Moses was clearly the Prophet who laid down the doctrine Jewish use.

And the Bible didn't claim that Jesus came to wipe off Jewish people, and in fact, Christianity was created and followed after the death of Jesus.

Unlike Islam where Mohammed (SAW) had the Qur'an delivered himself, and Moses had the 10 commandments delivered himself, the Bible was assembled by different set of people long after the death of Jesus.

Muslim accord the same respect to all Prophets, from Adam to Mohammed (SAW).

To believe in your Son Of God mantra, you need to define what it means. The Qur'an stated that God has no wife nor child. He created humanity. All the prophets were human first before becoming "men of God".

Hold on to your belief, and care less about what others think about it.

May God continue to increase your knowledge

aribisala0:
So biblical killings were justified?

Yes, if you know why they were ordered to be killed.

bahaushe1:
Stupid? I am not raised to address people that way.

Bye!

You were raised to behead them?

enilove:
Why cursing ?

Don't you know the word of God regarding cursing ?
Psalm 109:17-18 KJV
As he loved cursing, so let it come unto him: as he delighted not in blessing, so let it be far from him. [18] As he clothed himself with cursing like as with his garment, so let it come into his bowels like water, and like oil into his bones.

Surely , that curse is not for me , in Jesus name.

Amen. So let him who dug the pit fall into his own pit.

enilove:
During the life time of Muhammed he called called a liar.
Allah SWT says:

وَإِذَا بَدَّلْنَآ ءَايَةً مَّكَانَ ءَايَةٍ ۙ وَاللَّهُ أَعْلَمُ بِمَا يُنَزِّلُ قَالُوٓا إِنَّمَآ أَنْتَ مُفْتَرٍ ۚ بَلْ أَكْثَرُهُمْ لَا يَعْلَمُونَ
"And when We substitute a verse in place of a verse - and Allah is most knowing of what He sends down - they say, "You, [O Muhammad], are but an inventor [of lies]." But most of them do not know."
(QS. An-Nahl: Verse 101)

He was called a liar because he kept changing one verse for another. Even the mode of worship like below :
Volume 1, Book 8, Number 394:


Bukhari
Narrated 'Abdullah:

The Prophet prayed (and the subnarrator Ibrahim said, "I do not know whether he prayed more or less than usual", and when he had finished the prayers he was asked, "O Allah's Apostle! Has there been any change in the prayers?" He said, "What is it?' The people said, "You have prayed so much and so much." So the Prophet bent his legs, faced the Qibla and performed two prostrations (of Sahu) and finished his prayers with Tasiim (by turning his face to right and left saying: 'As-Salamu'Alaikum-Warahmat-ullah'). When he turned his face to us he said, "If there had been anything changed in the prayer, surely I would have informed you but I am a human being like you and liable to forget like you. So if I forget remind me and if anyone of you is doubtful about his prayer, he should follow what he thinks to be correct and complete his prayer accordingly and finish it and do two prostrations (of Sahu)."

Allah permitted some things at a time and whenever He wishes he may change his law as He likes!

The Second part of your question shows us how to make up prayers if we forget by adding/deducting!

mujahid777:
You're a confirm LUNATIC,for trying to justify the atrocities of your murdered god ;


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EX 17:13 With the Lord's approval, Joshua mows
down Amalek and his people.
EX 21:20-21 With the Lord's approval, a slave
may be beaten to death with no punishment for
the perpetrator as long as the slave doesn't die
too quickly.
EX 32:27 "Put every man his sword by his side,
and go in and out from gate to gate throughout
the camp, and slay every man his brother, and
every man his companion, and every man his
neighbor.
EX 32:27-29 With the Lord's approval, the
Israelites slay 3000 men.
LE 26:7-8 The Lord promises the Israelites that, if
they are obedient, their enemies will "fall before
your sword."
LE 26:22 "I will also send wild beasts among you,
which shall rob you of your children."
LE 26:29 , DT 28:53 , JE 19:9 , EZ 5:8-10 As a
punishment, the Lord will cause people to eat the
flesh of their own sons and daughters and fathers
and friends.
LE 27:29 Human sacrifice is condoned. (Note: An
example is given in JG 11:30-39 )
NU 11:33 The Lord smites the people with a great
plague.
NU 12:1-10 God makes Miriam a leper for seven
days because she and Aaron had spoken against
Moses.
NU 15:32-36 A Sabbath breaker (who had
gathered sticks for a fire) is stoned to death at
the Lord's command.
NU 16:27-33 The Lord causes the earth to open
and swallow up the men and their households
(including wives and children) because the men
had been rebellious.
NU 16:35 A fire from the Lord consumes 250
men.
NU 16:49 A plague from the Lord kills 14,700
people.
NU 21:3 The Israelites utterly destroy the
Canaanites.
NU 21:6 Fiery serpents, sent by the Lord, kill
many Israelites.
NU 21:35 With the Lord's approval, the Israelites
slay Og "... and his sons and all his people, until
there was not one survivor left ...."
NU 25:4 (KJV) "And the Lord said unto Moses,
take all the heads of the people, and hang them
up before the Lord against the sun ...."
NU 25:8 "He went after the man of Israel into the
tent, and thrust both of them through, the man of
Israel, and the woman through her belly."
NU 25:9 24,000 people die in a plague from the
Lord.
NU 31:9 The Israelites capture Midianite women
and children.
NU 31:17-18 Moses, following the Lord's
command, orders the Israelites to kill all the
Midianite male children and "... every woman who
has known man ...." (Note: How would it be
determined which women had known men? One
can only speculate.)
NU 31:31-40 32,000 virgins are taken by the
Israelites as booty. Thirty-two are set aside (to
be sacrificed?) as a tribute for the Lord.
DT 2:33-34 The Israelites utterly destroy the men,
women, and children of Sihon.
DT 3:6 The Israelites utterly destroy the men,
women, and children of Og.
DT 7:2 The Lord commands the Israelites to
"utterly destroy" and show "no mercy" to those
whom he gives them for defeat.
DT 20:13-14 "When the Lord delivers it into your
hand, put to the sword all the males .... As for
the women, the children, the livestock and
everything else in the city, you may take these as
plunder for yourselves."
DT 20:16 "In the cities of the nations the Lord is
giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive
anything that breathes."
DT 21:10-13 With the Lord's approval, the
Israelites are allowed to take "beautiful women"
from the enemy camp to be their captive wives.
If, after sexual relations, the husband has "no
delight" in his wife, he can simply let her go.
DT 28:53 "You will eat the fruit of the womb, the
flesh of the sons and daughters the Lord your
God has given you."
JS 1:1-9 , 18 Joshua receives the Lord's blessing
for all the bloody endeavors to follow.
JS 6:21-27 With the Lord's approval, Joshua
destroys the city of Jericho--men, women, and
children--with the edge of the sword.
JS 7:19-26 Achan, his children and his cattle are
stoned to death because Achan had taken a
taboo thing.
JS 8:22-25 With the Lord's approval, Joshua
utterly smites the people of Ai, killing 12,000 men
and women, so that there were none who
escaped.
JS 10:10-27 With the help of the Lord, Joshua
utterly destroys the Gibeonites.
JS 10:28 With the Lord's approval, Joshua utterly
destroys the people of Makkedah.
JS 10:30 With the Lord's approval, Joshua utterly
destroys the Libnahites.
JS 10:32-33 With the Lord's approval, Joshua
utterly destroys the people of Lachish.
JS 10:34-35 With the Lord's approval, Joshua
utterly destroys the Eglonites.
JS 10:36-37 With the Lord's approval, Joshua
utterly destroys the Hebronites.
JS 10:38-39 With the Lord's approval, Joshua
utterly destroys the Debirites.
JS 10:40 (A summary statement.) "So Joshua
defeated the whole land ...; he left none
remaining, but destroyed all that breathed, as the
Lord God of Israel commanded."
JS 11:6 The Lord orders horses to be hamstrung.
(Exceedingly cruel.)
JS 11:8-15 "And the lord gave them into the hand
of Israel, ...utterly destroying them; there was
none left that breathed ...."
JS 11:20 "For it was the Lord's doing to harden
their hearts that they should come against Israel
in battle, in order that they should be utterly
destroyed, and should receive no mercy but be
exterminated, as the Lord commanded Moses."
JS 11:21-23 Joshua utterly destroys the Anakim.
JG 1:4 With the Lord's support, Judah defeats
10,000 Canaanites at Bezek.
JG 1:6 With the Lord's approval, Judah pursues
Adoni-bezek, catches him, and cuts off his
thumbs and big toes.
JG 1:8 With the Lord's approval, Judah smites
Jerusalem.
JG 1:17 With the Lord's approval, Judah and
Simeon utterly destroy the Canaanites who
inhabited Zephath.
JG 3:29 The Israelites kill about 10,000 Moabites.
JG 3:31 (A restatement.) Shamgar killed 600
Philistines with an oxgoad.
JG 4:21 Jael takes a tent stake and hammers it
through the head of Sisera, fastening it to the
ground.
JG 7:19-25 The Gideons defeat the Midianites,
slay their princes, cut off their heads, and bring
the heads back to Gideon.
JG 8:15-21 The Gideons slaughter the men of
Penuel.
JG 9:5 Abimalech murders his brothers.
JG 9:45 Abimalech and his men kill all the people
in the city.
JG 9:53-54 "A woman dropped a stone on his
head and cracked his skull. Hurriedly he called to
his armor-bearer, 'Draw your sword and kill me,
so that they can't say a woman killed me.' So his
servant ran him through, and he died."
JG 11:29-39 Jepthah sacrifices his beloved
daughter, his only child, according to a vow he
has made with the Lord.
JG 14:19 The Spirit of the Lord comes upon a
man and causes him to slay thirty men.
JG 15:15 Samson slays 1000 men with the
jawbone of an ass.
JG 16:21 The Philistines gouge out Samson's
eyes.
JG 16:27-30 Samson, with the help of the Lord,
pulls down the pillars of the Philistine house and
causes his own death and that of 3000 other men
and women.
JG 18:27 The Danites slay the quiet and
unsuspecting people of Laish.
JG 19:22-29 A group of sexual depraved men
beat on the door of an old man's house
demanding that he turn over to them a male
house guest. Instead, the old man offers his
virgin daughter and his guest's concubine (or
wife): "Behold, here are my virgin daughter and
his concubine; let me bring them out now. Ravish
them and do with them what seems good to you;
but against this man do not do so vile a thing."
The man's concubine is ravished and dies. The
man then cuts her body into twelve pieces and
sends one piece to each of the twelve tribes of
Israel.
JG 20:43-48 The Israelites smite 25,000+ "men of
valor" from amongst the Benjamites, "men and
beasts and all that they found," and set their
towns on fire.
JG 21:10-12 "... Go and smite the inhabitants of
Jabesh-gilead with the edge of the sword and;
also the women and little ones.... every male and
every woman that has lain with a male you shall
utterly destroy." They do so and find four hundred
young virgins whom they bring back for their own
use.
1SA 4:10 The Philistines slay 30,000 Israelite foot
soldiers.
1SA 5:6-9 The Lord afflicts the Philistines with
tumors in their "secret parts," presumably for
having stolen the Ark.
1SA 6:19 God kills seventy men (or so) for
looking into the Ark (at him?). (Note: The early
Israelites apparently thought the Ark to be God's
abode.)
1SA 7:7-11 Samuel and his men smite the
Philistines.
1SA 11:11 With the Lord's blessing, Saul and his
men cut down the Ammonites.
1SA 14:31 Jonathan and his men strike down the
Philistines.
1SA 14:48 Saul smites the Amalekites.
1SA 15:3 , 7-8 "This is what the Lord says: Now
go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that
they have; do not spare them, but kill both man
and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep,
camel and ass ....' And Saul ... utterly destroyed
all the people with the edge of the sword."
1SA 15:33 "Samuel hewed Agag in pieces before
the Lord ...."
1SA 18:7 The women sing as they make merry:
"Saul has slain his thousands and David his ten
thousands."
1SA 27:8-11 "David left neither man nor woman
alive ....". (Note: This implies that children and
infants were included in the slaughter.)
1SA 30:17 David smites the Amalekites.
2SA 2:23 Abner kills Asahel.
2SA 3:30 Joab and Abishai kill Abner.
2SA 4:7-8 Rechan and Baanah kill Ish-bosheth,
behead him, and take his head to David.
2SA 4:12 David has Rechan and Baanah killed,
their hands and feet cut off, and their bodies
hanged by the pool at Hebron.
2SA 5:25 "And David did as the Lord commanded
him, and smote the Philistines ...."
2SA 6:2-23 Because she rebuked him for having
exposed himself, Michal (David's wife) was barren
throughout her life.
2SA 8:1-18 (A listing of some of David's
murderous conquests.)
2SA 8:4 David hamstrung all but a few of the
horses.
2SA 8:5 David slew 22,000 Syrians.
2SA 8:6 , 14 "The Lord gave victory to David
wherever he went."
2SA 8:13 David slew 18,000 Edomites in the
valley of salt and made the rest slaves.
2SA 10:18 David slew 47,000+ Syrians.
2SA 11:14-27 David has Uriah killed so that he
can marry Uriah's wife, Bathsheba.
2SA 12:1 , 19 The Lord strikes David's child dead
for the sin that David has committed.
2SA 13:1-15 Amnon loves his sister Tamar, rapes
her, then hates her.
2SA 13:28-29 Absalom has Amnon murdered.
2SA 18:6 -7 20,000 men are slaughtered at the
battle in the forest of Ephraim.
2SA 18:15 Joab's men murder Absalom.
2SA 20:10-12 Joab's men murder Amasa and
leave him "... wallowing in his own blood in the
highway. And anyone who came by, seeing him,
stopped."
2SA 24:15 The Lord sends a pestilence on Israel
that kills 70,000 men.
1KI 2:24-25 Solomon has Adonijah murdered.
1KI 2:29-34 Solomon has Joab murdered.
1KI 2:46 Solomon has Shime-i murdered.
1KI 13:15-24 A man is killed by a lion for eating
bread and drinking water in a place where the
Lord had previously told him not to. This is in
spite of the fact that the man had subsequently
been lied to by a prophet who told the man that
an angel of the Lord said that it would be alright
to eat and drink there.
1KI 20:29-30 The Israelites smite 100,000 Syrian
soldiers in one day. A wall falls on 27,000
remaining Syrians.
2KI 1:10-12 Fire from heaven comes down and
consumes fifty men.
2KI 2:23-24 Forty-two children are mauled and
killed, presumably according to the will of God,
for having jeered at a man of God.
2KI 5:27 Elisha curses Gehazi and his
descendants forever with leprosy.
2KI 6:18-19 The Lord answers Elisha's prayer and
strikes the Syrians with blindness. Elisha tricks
the blind Syrians and leads them to Samaria.
2KI 6:29 "So we cooked my son and ate him. The
next day I said to her, 'Give up your son so we
may eat him,' but she had hidden him."
2KI 9:24 Jehu tricks and murders Joram.
2KI 9:27 Jehu has Ahaziah killed.
2KI 9:30-37 Jehu has Jezebel killed. Her body is
trampled by horses. Dogs eat her flesh so that
only her skull, feet, and the palms of her hands
remain.
2KI 10:7 Jehu has Ahab's seventy sons beheaded,
then sends the heads to their father.
2KI 10:14 Jehu has forty-two of Ahab's kin killed.
2KI 10:17 "And when he came to Samaria, he
slew all that remained to Ahab in Samaria, till he
had wiped them out, according to the word of the
Lord ...."
2KI 10:19-27 Jehu uses trickery to massacre the
Baal worshippers.
2KI 11:1 Athaliah destroys all the royal family.
2KI 14:5 , 7 Amaziah kills his servants and then
10,000 Edomites.
2KI 15:3-5 Even though he did what was right in
the eyes of the Lord, the Lord smites Azariah with
leprosy for not having removed the "high places."
2KI 15:16 Menahem ripped open all the women
who were pregnant.
2KI 19:35 An angel of the Lord kills 185,000 men.
1CH 20:3 (KJV) "And he brought out the people
that were in it, and cut them with saws, and with
harrows of iron, and with axes."
2CH 13:17 500,000 Israelites are slaughtered.
2CH 21:4 Jehoram slays all his brothers.
PS 137:9 Happy will be the man who dashes your
little ones against the stones.
PS 144:1 God is praised as the one who trains
hands for war and fingers for battle.
IS 13:15 "Everyone who is captured will be thrust
through; all who are caught will fall by the
sword. Their infants will be dashed to pieces
before their eyes; their ... wives will be ravished."
IS 13:18 "Their bows also shall dash the young
men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the
fruit of the womb; their eye shall not spare
children."
IS 14:21-22 "Prepare slaughter for his children for
the iniquity of their fathers."
IS 49:26 The Lord will cause the oppressors of
the Israelite's to eat their own flesh and to
become drunk on their own blood as with wine.
JE 16:4 "They shall die grievous deaths; they
shall not be lamented; neither shall they be
buried; but they shall be as dung upon the face
of the earth: and they shall be consumed by the
sword, and by famine; and their carcasses shall
be meat for the fowls of heaven, and for the
beasts of the earth."
LA 4:9-10 "Those slain by the sword are better off
than those who die of famine; racked with
hunger, they waste away for lack of food. ...
pitiful women have cooked their own children,
who became their food ..."
EZ 6:12-13 The Lord says: "... they will fall by the
sword, famine and plague. He that is far away
will die of the plague, and he that is near will fall
by the sword, and he that survives and is spared
will die of famine. So will I spend my wrath upon
them. And they will know I am the Lord, when the
people lie slain among their idols around their
altars, on every high hill and on all the
mountaintops, under every spreading tree and
every leafy oak ...."
EZ 9:4-6 The Lord commands: "... slay old men
outright, young men and maidens, little children
and women ...."
EZ 20:26 In order that he might horrify them, the
Lord allowed the Israelites to defile themselves
through, amongst other things, the sacrifice of
their first-born children.
EZ 21:3-4 The Lord says that he will cut off both
the righteous and the wicked that his sword shall
go against all flesh.
EZ 23:25 , 47 God is going to slay the sons and
daughters of those who were whores.
EZ 23:34 "You shall ... pluck out your hair, and
tear your breasts."
HO 13:16 "They shall fall by the sword: their
infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their
women with child shall be ripped up."
MI 3:2-3 "... who pluck off their skin ..., and their
flesh from off their bones; Who also eat the flesh
of my people, and flay their skin from off them;
and they break their bones, and chop them in
pieces, as for the pot, and as flesh within the
caldron."
MT 3:12 , 8:12 , 10:21 , 13:30 , 42, 22:13 , 24:51 ,
25:30 , LK 13:28 , JN 5:24 Some will spend eternity
burning in Hell. There will be weeping, wailing and
gnashing of teeth.
MT 10:21 "... the brother shall deliver up his
brother to death, and the father his child, ...
children shall rise up against their parents, and
cause them to be put to death."
MT 10:35-36 "For I have come to turn a man
against his father, a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law a
man's enemies will be the members of his own
family."
MT 11:21-24 Jesus curses [the inhabitants of]
three cities who were not sufficiently impressed
with his great works.
AC 13:11 Paul purposefully blinds a man (though
not permanently).

....his followers continue his work,making daddy proud murdering millions in his name throughout the course of history

You want to kill them bro!

Jesus in the Bible is too peaceful o! Probably he was not aware of those killings.

or maybe he repented!

bahaushe1:
This one of your problems, you qouted a hadith without reflecting over it is meaning. The hadith you qouted depicts events of the day of resurrection. On that day believers will see Allaah and seeing Him is more pleasing than entering paradise.

But who are the believers that will make paradise? Believers are people who believe in oneness of Allaah, His Lordship, and worship none but Him. Thay also believe in His angels, the books He revealed to His messengers, His prophets and messengers, the day of resurrection, and divine decree.
Allaah created mankind in order to test him. He who pass that test will be rewarded with paradise in the hereafter while he who fail the test will punished in hellfire. Allaah is just and has forbidden injustice for Himself and among His servants. Therefore, to ensure justice, Allaah choose the best among each nation and send him as prophet or messenger of Allaah to his people calling them to believe in oneness of Allaah and isolate Him in their worship. He also serve as a warner of the severe punishment for wrongdoers and Allaah's mercy for the righteous.

The first of Allaah's prophets on earth was Prophet Adam (pbuh) and the last of them was Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). Inbetween, there were hundreds of prophets the stories of some were narrated to us by Allaah in His books while keeping the stories of others to Himself. All the prophets called to one thing: believe in oneness, and worshipping of, Allaah alone. The laws governing the day to day affairs of the people differ based on the circumstance of the people, for example, it is allow for a brother to marry his sister among the people of Prophet Adam (pbuh) but forbidden among the people of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

This arrangement continued up to the time of Jesus (pbuh). Jesus (pbuh) was send to the children of Israel at a time when there was so much corruption among them. They have altered the book send to them by Allah through Moses (pbuh), they encouraged usury among themsleves, they stone and kills prophets of Allaah. It was at this difficult time that Allaah choose and send Prophet Jesus (pbuh) to them with a new book: Gospel. Gospel confirmed what was in the Torah, relaxes some of the restrictions in the Torah, and described the characteristics of the prophet that will succeed Jesus (pbuh). Once Jesus (pbuh) appeared it is expected that all those that believed in what Moses (pbuh) brought in the Torah should now believe in the new messenger (Jesus-pbuh) and use the Gospel to judge among people. Whoever among the children of Israel and others that lived at the time he preached and the 600 years that followed his ascend to heaven and just before Muhammad (pbuh) was called to prophethood belongs to the people of Jesus (pbuh). For one to be a believer during that people he must believe in Allaah, believe in prophethood and messengership of Jesus (pbuh), believe in the Gospel that was brought and used by Jesus (pbuh), believe in angels of Allaah, believe in the books that preceeded Gospel and the prophets that brought them. Anyone that lived during that period who rejected the calling of Jesus (pbuh) having seen or heard the messege in it is pure form is a disbeliver and is currently being punished for his disbelieve.

Period of the prophethood and messengership of Jesus (pbuh) ended with the beginning of messengership of Muhammad (pbuh). Whoever lives in the period from the day Muhammad recieved his first revealation to the beginning of the hour belongs to the people of Muhammad. For one to be a believer during this period he must believe in oneness of Allaah, believe in the messengership of Muhammad (pbuh), believe in angels, believe in Allaah's books, in believe in the prophethood of all of Allaah's prophets (those known and those unknown) from Adam (pbuh) to Jesus (pbuh), believe in day of resurrection, and believe in devine decree. Whoever see or hear the call of Muhammad in it is pure, correct, and undiluted form and rejected it is a disbeliever and if he dies on that path will never make paradise. Whoever live in this period but did not see or hear about the call of Muhammad (pbuh) in it is pure, correct, and undiluted form ( this is the case of many people in europe, americas, and hinterlands all over the world) will not be punished by Allaah for his disbelieve but will be tested on the day of judgement.

It is generally believed that whoever die while believing and worshipping Allaah alone and affirming that Muhammad (pbuh) is His servant and messenger will eventually make paradise. Some people will be punished according to the gravity of their sins before being admitted to paradise as long as they did not die worshipping others besides Allaah. Those are people referred to in that hadith.

As for the issue of violence to alluded to, that is your imagination and it portray who you really are. I said we will not allow to continue spreading falsehood "unchallenged" but you dicided to skip that part. Well, this is part of that challenge I referred to, presenting you with evidences from your own book, our own book, and from rational point ofn view until truth becomes obvious to you.

It is only people with poor historical accounts that associates Islam with violence. No dounbt, Jihad is prescribed for this nation by Allaah and we are ever ready to partake in it. However, it is known historical fact that it was the Pagans of Arabia that persecuted Muslims the same way early followers of Jesus (pbuh) were persecuted. Some Muslims were forced to migrate to Abysinia (Ethiopia) and later the disbelievers plot to kill the prophet just like they did to Jesus (pbuh). This forced the Muslims to leave their hometown of Makkah and migrate to Madinah. Then Jihad was prescribed and they took revenge and overpowered the disbelivers.

Over the years, disbelievers have become notorious in chasing innocent prophets of Allaah out of their hometowns ( read the stories of prophets Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad -pbuh). They mocked and stones prophets and in some instances killed them. Prophet Muhammad's (pbuh) is to last to the end of the world hence the need for Muslims to keep the transgression of the disbelievers in check.

And finally, Islam is a religion of Allaah, if anyone could destroy it those before you would certainly have done so. You can not be more powerful than the people of Noah (pbuh) but Allaah destroyed them with water. You can not be more powerful than the Phaor but Allaah destroyed him and gave victory to His servant and messenger Moses (pbuh) and his people. You can not be more powerful than the Qurysh pagans, the Roman empire or the Persian empire but Allaah destroyed them and gave victory to His servant and messenger Muhammad (pbuh).

Here are my questions

1. If Allah sent Jesus with the Gospel how comes he allowed it to be corrupted, why didn't he protect it like the quran?..in other words there wouldn't have been need to send someone else from Arabia after 600 years.

2. If you believed in the Gospel, what was the message and how can we find that original gospel that has not been corrupted?

3. What is the meaning of the word "Gospel" And what does I entails?

4. If Jesus was the messenger of your Allah, what is the meaning of his name "Jesus" to you muslims...i believed there is just one Jesus and he was a Jew from Israel.?

5. What is the name of your Allah, Allah is a title not a name?. Of what significance is the last prophet?

Lastly, can you stop heaving (Pbuh) on Jesus because the bible made us know that he is the "Prince of Peace" He does not need your peace. He rather gives you peace not as the world gives you

Rashduct4luv:
You want to kill them bro!

Jesus in the Bible is too peaceful o! Probably he was not aware of those killings.

or maybe he repented!

Kill who? Far from it. He wasn't looking for answer that was why he posted all that. If he wanted to know he would have picked few and asked why .

One thing is certain . The Jews and we Christians are serving a living God which was why Muhammed tried to a align Islam with the God of the Jews and the Christians.. Even allah acknowledge this by telling Muhammed to get knowledge from the Christians if he is in doubt.

Allah SWT says:

فَإِنْ كُنْتَ فِى شَكٍّ مِّمَّآ أَنْزَلْنَآ إِلَيْكَ فَسْئَلِ الَّذِينَ يَقْرَءُونَ الْكِتٰبَ مِنْ قَبْلِكَ ۚ لَقَدْ جَآءَكَ الْحَقُّ مِنْ رَّبِّكَ فَلَا تَكُونَنَّ مِنَ الْمُمْتَرِينَ
"So if you are in doubt, [O Muhammad], about that which We have revealed to you, then ask those who have been reading the Scripture before you. The truth has certainly come to you from your Lord, so never be among the doubters."
(QS. Yunus: Verse 94)

The above confirms that we Christians and the Jews are serving a living God which was known to the Arabs as at then b4 Muhammed came and said he was another kind of Prophet like the Prophets of the Bible.

So ,that mujahid777 that posted those Jargons should have read his Quran , at least Muhammed and Allah know better than him.

Jesus knows about everything and you can see that the Jews and the Christians are peace loving people , despite any killings you read in the Bible. We are not instructed to continue to kill like the people of the old testament. And Christians and the Jews are not expected to have any other religion diff from Christianity , the religion of peace.

But what can you say about the Muslims presently ? They are murderers and terrorists .

A good fruit cannot bear a bad fruit and vice versa.

The main thing is that we Christians know that the Muslims are not worshipping the right God. But Muhammed and Allah acknowledge we are serving the true God.

How can a good man , not even a prophet , marry the wife of his adopted son ? A Prophet that used to sleep with Eleven women everyday . It is also written that he allowed Muslims to go into TEMPORARY MARRIAGE WITH WOMEN. If this results into pregnancy the children will be temporary children, right? I can't take such a man as a friend not to talk of listening to him. Okey ! That was why he had to use force because people were not listening to him. He was a known terrorists because he confirmed it himself.
Also, think of Kabaah , why facing it when praying? Why kissing the black stone? Things done by idol worshippers b4 Islam.

The reasons why I respond to most of the threads relating to Islam is to educate the Muslims , nothing else , because if you die believing a lie , you will go to hell , though he promised all Muslims hell fire ,but Pls , don't go to hell.
Pray to God who knows everything to direct you in the right way.

As a son I am not equal to a slave. I know better.

Maamin:
Here are my questions

1. If Allah sent Jesus with the Gospel how comes he allowed it to be corrupted, why didn't he protect it like the quran?..in other words there wouldn't have been need to send someone else from Arabia after 600 years.

2. If you believed in the Gospel, what was the message and how can we find that original gospel that has not been corrupted?

3. What is the meaning of the word "Gospel" And what does I entails?

4. If Jesus was the messenger of your Allah, what is the meaning of his name "Jesus" to you muslims...i believed there is just one Jesus and he was a Jew from Israel.?

5. What is the name of your Allah, Allah is a title not a name?. Of what significance is the last prophet?

Lastly, can you stop heaving (Pbuh) on Jesus because the bible made us know that he is the "Prince of Peace" He does not need your peace. He rather gives you peace not as the world gives you

1. Allaah left the protection of Torah and Gospel to the Rabbis and Priests who failed in their part to protect it. This is a test from Allaah which they failed. Secondly, Allaah has decreed that Quran will be His last book to mankind. So, protecting Torah and Gospel from distortion would have been inconsequential because rulings of the original Torah and Gospel would have been abrogated by Quran all the same. Thirdly, distorted Torah and Gospel are being used by Allaah to test His servants who claimed to have believed in Allaah and in the Prophets that brought the books.

2. Anybody born after Muhammad (pbuh) was called to prophethood belongs to the nation of Muhammad (pbuh). He is expected to use Quran as his divine guidance. There is no need for any Muslim to look for original Gospel or Torah because their laws doesn't apply to the nation of Muhammad (pbuh).

3. Meaning of Gospel? I do not know. What I am required is to believe that Allaah send Jesus (pbuh) with Gospel and I believed.

4. Masih (Messiah) means someone who touches ill people and get them healed by Allaah's leave. Allaah granted Jesus (pbuh) miracles just like He granted Moses (pbuh) and Muhammad (pbuh) miracles. These are signs from Allaah granted to His messengers with which people of sound mind can see the divinity of their calling.

5. Allaah's name is Allaah, The Mighty, The Creator of the earth, heavens, and all that is within them. To Him belongs the most beautiful names and the attributes of completeness and perfection. There is no deity worthy of worship then Him.

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bahaushe1:
1. Allaah left the protection of Torah and Gospel to the Rabbis and Priests who failed in their part to protect it. This is a test from Allaah which they failed. Secondly, Allaah has decreed that Quran will be His last book to mankind. So, protecting Torah and Gospel from distortion would have been inconsequential because rulings of the original Torah and Gospel would have been abrogated by Quran all the same. Thirdly, distorted Torah and Gospel are being used by Allaah to test His servants who claimed to have believed in Allaah and in the Prophets that brought the books.

2. Anybody born after Muhammad (pbuh) was called to prophethood belongs to the nation of Muhammad (pbuh). He is expected to use Quran as his divine guidance. There is no need for any Muslim to look for original Gospel or Torah because their laws doesn't apply to the nation of Muhammad (pbuh).

3. Meaning of Gospel? I do not know. What I am required is to believe that Allaah send Jesus (pbuh) with Gospel and I believed.

4. Masih (Messiah) means someone who touches ill people and get them healed by Allaah's leave. Allaah granted Jesus (pbuh) miracles just like He granted Moses (pbuh) and Muhammad (pbuh) miracles. These are signs from Allaah granted to His messengers with which people of sound mind can see the divinity of their calling.

5. Allaah's name is Allaah, The Mighty, The Creator of the earth, heavens, and all that is within them. To Him belongs the most beautiful names and the attributes of completeness and perfection. There is no deity worthy of worship then Him.

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Stop derailing the thread please .No one asked you abouut your fucking Allah

enilove:
Kill who? Far from it. He wasn't looking for answer that was why he posted all that. If he wanted to know he would have picked few and asked why .

One thing is certain . The Jews and we Christians are serving a living God which was why Muhammed tried to a align Islam with the God of the Jews and the Christians.. Even allah acknowledge this by telling Muhammed to get knowledge from the Christians if he is in doubt.

Allah SWT says:

فَإِنْ كُنْتَ فِى شَكٍّ مِّمَّآ أَنْزَلْنَآ إِلَيْكَ فَسْئَلِ الَّذِينَ يَقْرَءُونَ الْكِتٰبَ مِنْ قَبْلِكَ ۚ لَقَدْ جَآءَكَ الْحَقُّ مِنْ رَّبِّكَ فَلَا تَكُونَنَّ مِنَ الْمُمْتَرِينَ
"So if you are in doubt, [O Muhammad], about that which We have revealed to you, then ask those who have been reading the Scripture before you. The truth has certainly come to you from your Lord, so never be among the doubters."
(QS. Yunus: Verse 94)

The above confirms that we Christians and the Jews are serving a living God which was known to the Arabs as at then b4 Muhammed came and said he was another kind of Prophet like the Prophets of the Bible.

So ,that mujahid777 that posted those Jargons should have read his Quran , at least Muhammed and Allah know better than him.

Jesus knows about everything and you can see that the Jews and the Christians are peace loving people , despite any killings you read in the Bible. We are not instructed to continue to kill like the people of the old testament. And Christians and the Jews are not expected to have any other religion diff from Christianity , the religion of peace.

But what can you say about the Muslims presently ? They are murderers and terrorists .

A good fruit cannot bear a bad fruit and vice versa.

The main thing is that we Christians know that the Muslims are not worshipping the right God. But Muhammed and Allah acknowledge we are serving the true God.

How can a good man , not even a prophet , marry the wife of his adopted son ? A Prophet that used to sleep with Eleven women everyday . It is also written that he allowed Muslims to go into TEMPORARY MARRIAGE WITH WOMEN. If this results into pregnancy the children will be temporary children, right? I can't take such a man as a friend not to talk of listening to him. Okey ! That was why he had to use force because people were not listening to him. He was a known terrorists because he confirmed it himself.
Also, think of Kabaah , why facing it when praying? Why kissing the black stone? Things done by idol worshippers b4 Islam.

The reasons why I respond to most of the threads relating to Islam is to educate the Muslims , nothing else , because if you die believing a lie , you will go to hell , though he promised all Muslims hell fire ,but Pls , don't go to hell.
Pray to God who knows everything to direct you in the right way.

As a son I am not equal to a slave. I know better.

This is where i will start with you! Your three Gods permitted father to sleep with son's wife and blessed them with a kid in Gen. 38 but he killed the son who spilled the seed. Your three gods commanded killings and improper marriages in the old testament.

Numbers 31:17 -18 English Standard Version (ESV)

17 Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him.

18 But all the young girls who have not known man (virgin) by lying with him keep alive for yourselves.(i wonder what they will do to them).

This is Boko haram Principle. Killing and sex!

or what do you thing will happen to those young virgin ladies above? They will be... !

You call yourself a son of God right, just like Jesus is the son of God?

No wonder the sons of God came to sleep with humans in Genesis! Probably you and Jesus were among them!

Rashduct4luv:
This is where i will start with you! Your three Gods permitted father to sleep with son's wife and blessed them with a kid in Gen. 38 but he killed the son who spilled the seed. Your three gods commanded killings and improper marriages in the old testament.

Numbers 31:17 -18 English Standard Version (ESV)

17 Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him.

18 But all the young girls who have not known man (virgin) by lying with him keep alive for yourselves.(i wonder what they will do to them).

This is Boko haram Principle. Killing and sex!

or what do you thing will happen to those young virgin ladies above? They will be... !

You call yourself a son of God right, just like Jesus is the son of God?

No wonder the sons of God came to sleep with humans in Genesis! Probably you and Jesus were among them!

God is a God of justice. He says in :
Ezekiel 18:3-9 KJV
[4] Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die. [5] But if a man be just, and do that which is lawful and right, [6] And hath not eaten upon the mountains, neither hath lifted up his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel, neither hath defiled his neighbour's wife, .....
[7] And hath not oppressed any, but hath restored to the debtor his pledge, hath spoiled none by violence, hath given his bread to the hungry, and hath covered the naked with a garment; .......
[9] Hath walked in my statutes, and hath kept my judgments, to deal truly; he is just, he shall surely live, saith the Lord God .
The case of father sleeping with his daughter in-law is not permitted by God contrary to your claim:

Leviticus 20:7-16 KJV
Sanctify yourselves therefore, and be ye holy:....
[9] For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him........
[12] And if a man lie with his daughter in law, both of them shall surely be put to death: they have wrought confusion; their blood shall be upon them.
[13] If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
.....
[15] And if a man lie with a beast, he shall surely be put to death: and ye shall slay the beast.
[16] And if a woman approach unto any beast, and lie down thereto, thou shalt kill the woman, and the beast: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

These are God's law because God is Holy.
Boko Haram are themselves guilty of idolatety , they do not have the moral right to do what they are doing. Jungle Justice is not allowed.

Nigeria can kill offenders or murderers but it is criminal for anyone to kill a murderer . Likewise God can kill but it is a case of murder when you kill when God did not instruct you to do so.
The God that divided the Red Sea is the Creator of the Sea , the fishes and the earth , this is the God the Christians and the Jews worship.
Which God is the Boko Haram worshipping?
Can this be the same God of the Bible ?

Volume 9, Book 93, Number 579:

Sahih Bukhari
Narrated Abu Dharr:
The Prophet said, Gabriel came to me and gave me the glad tidings that anyone who died without worshipping anything besides Allah, would enter Paradise. I asked (Gabriel), 'Even if he committed theft, and even if he committed illegal sexual intercourse?' He said, '(Yes), even if he committed theft, and even if he Committed illegal sexual intercourse."

Is the above the Gabriel of the Bible or an imaginary Gabriel of Satan.
The God of the Bible does not permit sin. He told Abaham to be holy :
Genesis 17:1 KJV
And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the Lord appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.

enilove:
God is a God of justice. He says in :
Ezekiel 18:3-9 KJV
[4] Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die. [5] But if a man be just, and do that which is lawful and right, [6] And hath not eaten upon the mountains, neither hath lifted up his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel, neither hath defiled his neighbour's wife, .....
[7] And hath not oppressed any, but hath restored to the debtor his pledge, hath spoiled none by violence, hath given his bread to the hungry, and hath covered the naked with a garment; .......
[9] Hath walked in my statutes, and hath kept my judgments, to deal truly; he is just, he shall surely live, saith the Lord God .
The case of father sleeping with his daughter in-law is not permitted by God contrary to your claim:

Leviticus 20:7-16 KJV
Sanctify yourselves therefore, and be ye holy:....
[9] For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him........
[12] And if a man lie with his daughter in law, both of them shall surely be put to death: they have wrought confusion; their blood shall be upon them.
[13] If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
.....
[15] And if a man lie with a beast, he shall surely be put to death: and ye shall slay the beast.
[16] And if a woman approach unto any beast, and lie down thereto, thou shalt kill the woman, and the beast: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

These are God's law because God is Holy.
Boko Haram are themselves guilty of idolatety , they do not have the moral right to do what they are doing. Jungle Justice is not allowed.

Nigeria can kill offenders or murderers but it is criminal for anyone to kill a murderer . Likewise God can kill but it is a case of murder when you kill when God did not instructed you to do so.
The God that divided the Red Sea is the Creator of the Sea , the fishes and the earth , this is the God the Christians and the Jews worship.
Which God is the Boko Haram worshipping?
Can this be the same God of the Bible ?

Volume 9, Book 93, Number 579:

Sahih Bukhari
Narrated Abu Dharr:
The Prophet said, Gabriel came to me and gave me the glad tidings that anyone who died without worshipping anything besides Allah, would enter Paradise. I asked (Gabriel), 'Even if he committed theft, and even if he committed illegal sexual intercourse?' He said, '(Yes), even if he committed theft, and even if he Committed illegal sexual intercourse."

Is the above the Gabriel of the Bible or an imaginary Gabriel of Satan.
The God of the Bible does not permit sin. He told Abaham to be holy :
Genesis 17:1 KJV
And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the Lord appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.

ok, now look here.

You quoted this hadith!

Sahih Bukhari
Narrated Abu Dharr:
The Prophet said, Gabriel came to me and gave me the glad tidings that anyone who died without worshipping anything besides Allah, would enter Paradise. I asked (Gabriel), 'Even if he committed theft, and even if he committed illegal sexual intercourse?' He said, '(Yes), even if he committed theft, and even if he Committed illegal sexual intercourse."

But you did not know that some sinners will enter hell to be first punished for their sins before entering paradise.

It was narrated from Abu Sa’eed al-Khudri (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “When the people of Paradise enter Paradise and the people of Hell enter Hell, Allaah will say: ‘Whoever had a mustard-seed’s weight of faith in his heart, bring him out.’ So they will bring him out, and they will come out like burned skeletons, and they will turn into charcoal. They will be thrown into the River of Life, then they will grow like seeds growing in the silt left by a flood.”

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Do you not see how they emerge yellow and curved?”

Narrated by al-Bukhaari (6192) and Muslim (184).

You just wish to bring out issues out of nothing!

Jesus ate with sinners and prevented an adulterer from being stoned.

Why didn't Jesus allow the sinful lady to be stoned if the wages of sin is death?


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@Rashduct4luv , Jesus did not allow the adulterous woman to be stoned to death because God is love. He wants sinners to repent. He does not get joy from the death of sinners.
That was why Jesus told her after being saved from stoning that she sin no more. Sin kills.

John 8:11 KJV
She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

God gave her opportunity to be saved.
Romans 6:23 KJV
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
John 3:16 KJV
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

God is love. God does not hate sinners but hates the sin in them.
Jesus ate with sinners because he did not hate them but wanted them to be saved. Being far from them doesn't show love and it hinders them from being saved.

Mark 2:17 KJV
When Jesus heard it , he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

There is not coming out of hell once in hell. Don't allow yourself to be deceived.
When did Muhammed said the sinners will come out? On judgement day. Those that died during and few years after Muhammed will still be suffering in hell till now. zWho can endure fire for 5 minutes , talkless of centuries.

Mark 9:45-48 KJV
And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
46] Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. [47] And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:
[48] Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

It is possible to live in this world without a sin after being born again in Christ Jesus.

enilove:
@Rashduct4luv , Jesus did not allow the adulterous woman to be stoned to death because God is love. He wants sinners to repent. He does not get joy from the death of sinners.
That was why Jesus told her after being saved from stoning that she sin no more. Sin kills.

John 8:11 KJV
She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

God gave her opportunity to be saved.
Romans 6:23 KJV
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
John 3:16 KJV
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

God is love. God does not hate sinners but hates the sin in them.
Jesus ate with sinners because he did not hate them but wanted them to be saved. Being far from them doesn't show love and it hinders them from being saved.

Mark 2:17 KJV
When Jesus heard it , he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

There is not coming out of hell once in hell. Don't allow yourself to be deceived.
When did Muhammed said the sinners will come out? On judgement day. Those that died during and few years after Muhammed will still be suffering in hell till now. zWho can endure fire for 5 minutes , talkless of centuries.

Mark 9:45-48 KJV
And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
46] Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. [47] And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:
[48] Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

It is possible to live in this world without a sin after being born again in Christ Jesus.

Normally I do not complain to mods like Mynd44 and lalasticlala but I will now because it involves the protected Mooslims.

Rule 1 says do not derail by posting off topic.
This thread is about whether or not it is provocative to call Jesus a prophet and not for lessons in Islam

enilove:
@Rashduct4luv , Jesus did not allow the adulterous woman to be stoned to death because God is love. He wants sinners to repent. He does not get joy from the death of sinners.
That was why Jesus told her after being saved from stoning that she sin no more. Sin kills.

John 8:11 KJV
She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

God gave her opportunity to be saved.
Romans 6:23 KJV
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
John 3:16 KJV
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

God is love. God does not hate sinners but hates the sin in them.
Jesus ate with sinners because he did not hate them but wanted them to be saved. Being far from them doesn't show love and it hinders them from being saved.

Mark 2:17 KJV
When Jesus heard it , he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

There is not coming out of hell once in hell. Don't allow yourself to be deceived.
When did Muhammed said the sinners will come out? On judgement day. Those that died during and few years after Muhammed will still be suffering in hell till now. zWho can endure fire for 5 minutes , talkless of centuries.

Mark 9:45-48 KJV
And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
46] Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. [47] And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:
[48] Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

It is possible to live in this world without a sin after being born again in Christ Jesus.

She was a sinner and she was saved. Why quote hadith that says sinners can be saved? It's like you are blinded by share prejudice?

Muslim, do you realize the implications of what you just wrote here? Okay, lets pick the points out.

bahaushe1:
Allaah left the protection of Torah and Gospel to the Rabbis and Priests who failed in their part to protect it. This is a test from Allaah which they failed.

You mean allah left his Holy Books to mere men to protect? Which divine Power did he bestow on them to enable them do that?

In Christianity and Judaism, we know that the Word of God is "Spirit and Life", you couldn't destroy it even if you wanted to.

bahaushe1:
Secondly, Allaah has decreed that Quran will be His last book to mankind

Decrees are made before what is decreed happens, hence; if allah made this decree he would have made it long before muhammed the writer of the koran was born.

So, When, where and to who did allah made this decree? (Pls this is important, so answer me).

How do we know that this allah won't change his mind again and make another decree, since he had written two books in the past and left to men for protection?
Can allah be trusted, because it appears allah is a serial loser who blames his inability to protect his Laws on men.

You have to be an imbecil.e to trust a god with this kind of temperament and inconsistencies.

bahaushe1:
3. Protecting Torah and Gospel from distortion would have been inconsequential because rulings of the original Torah and Gospel would have been abrogated by Quran all the same.

[quote author=bahaushe1 post=62565678]So, protecting Torah and Gospel from distortion would have been inconsequential because rulings of the original Torah and Gospel would have been abrogated by Quran all the same.

In other words, allah NEVER intended for the Torah and Gospel to survive right?

So, allah craftily lied by deceiving the Jews and Christians and giving them books that he was not interested it?

Wonderful!!!!!!. It's allah fault that the Jews and Christians have believed in these books and suffered and died believing what the books told them?

He went to the Jews, gave them a book, left them on their own, Came to the Christians gave them another Book, left them on their own, now he is working with Arabs with another book. Wow, what an allah.

How can this allah be trusted?

bahaushe1:
Thirdly, distorted Torah and Gospel are being used by Allaah to test His servants who claimed to have believed in Allaah and in the Prophets that brought the books.

Pls can you explain more? How is he using this distorted books to test you people?

And, where are the original versions of these distortions? allah must have them somewhere.

Rashduct4luv:
She was a sinner and she was saved. Why quote hadith that says sinners can be saved? It's like you are blinded by share prejudice?

She was saved here b4 death. If she had died and gone to hell , that is the end , that is where she would have remained.

That of the Hadith I quoted is saying when the Muslims die they will go to hell and remain there till the judgement day.

It is here on earth you can make restitution not after death.
It is b4 death you can get forgiveness not after death.

enilove:
She was saved here b4 death. If she had died and gone to hell , that is the end , that is where she would have remained.

That of the Hadith I quoted is saying when the Muslims die they will go to hell and remain there till the judgement day.

It is here on earth you can make restitution not after death.
It is b4 death you can get forgiveness not after death.

This is our belief! Our beliefs about salvation differs.

We believe some Muslims will be punished in hell for their sins before they enter Paradise if they have even a little faith!

So, to you is your religion and to me is mine!

Rashduct4luv:
This is our belief! Our beliefs about salvation differs.

We believe some Muslims will be punished in hell for their sins before they enter Paradise if they have even a little faith!

So, to you is your religion and to me is mine!

Many people believe Muhammed is a false prophet who concocted the Quran. Is is provocative for such people to speak their beliefs in public

Many people believe Muhammed is a false prophet who concocted the Quran. Is is provocative for such people to speak their beliefs in public
Many people believe Muhammed is a false prophet who concocted the Quran. Is is provocative for such people to speak their beliefs in public
Many people believe Muhammed is a false prophet who concocted the Quran. Is is provocative for such people to speak their beliefs in public
Many people believe Muhammed is a false prophet who concocted the Quran. Is is provocative for such people to speak their beliefs in public
Many people believe Muhammed is a false prophet who concocted the Quran. Is is provocative for such people to speak their beliefs in public
Many people believe Muhammed is a false prophet who concocted the Quran. Is is provocative for such people to speak their beliefs in public

analize701:
Muslim, do you realize the implications of what you just wrote here? Okay, lets pick the points out.


You mean allah left his Holy Books to mere men to protect? Which divine Power did he bestow on them to enable them do that?

In Christianity and Judaism, we know that the Word of God is "Spirit and Life", you couldn't destroy it even if you wanted to.


Decrees are made before what is decreed happens, hence; if allah made this decree he would have made it long before muhammed the writer of the koran was born.

So, When, where and to who did allah made this decree? (Pls this is important, so answer me).

How do we know that this allah won't change his mind again and make another decree, since he had written two books in the past and left to men for protection?
Can allah be trusted, because it appears allah is a serial loser who blames his inability to protect his Laws on men.

You have to be an imbecil.e to trust a god with this kind of temperament and inconsistencies.

1. Thank you for stopping by and of course for the courteous words.

2. The Torah and the Gospel were entrusted to the Rabbis and the Priests. They were expected to judge among the people using them but they watched while evil people tempered with them.
Allaah said concerning that:

It was We who revealed the law (to Moses): therein was guidance and light. By its standard have been judged the Jews, by the prophets who bowed (as in Islam) to Allah's will, by the rabbis and the doctors of law: for to them was entrusted the protection of Allah's book, and they were witnesses thereto: therefore fear not men, but fear me, and sell not my signs for a miserable price. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) Unbelievers. (Quran 5:44).

And;

Why do not the rabbis and the doctors of Law forbid them from their (habit of) uttering sinful words and eating things forbidden? Evil indeed are their works. (Quran 5:63).

3. Whatever will happen on this life has been written down and it's knowledge is with Allaah. And Allaah doesn't fail in His promises.

With Him are the keys of the unseen, the treasures that none knoweth but He. He knoweth whatever there is on the earth and in the sea. Not a leaf doth fall but with His knowledge: there is not a grain in the darkness (or depths) of the earth, nor anything fresh or dry (green or withered), but is (inscribed) in a record clear (to those who can read. (Quran 6:59).


4. For your information, Allaah never revealed any book to Christians . Jesus (pbuh) was a Jew and he did not tell anybody that the name of his religion is Christianity .

5. Muhammad (pbuh) did not authored the Quran. It was revealed to him by Allaah .

It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong. Quran 3:3.

bahaushe1:
1. Thank you for stopping by and of course for the courteous words.

2. The Torah and the Gospel were entrusted to the Rabbis and the Priests. They were expected to judge among the people using them but they watched while evil people tempered with them.
Allaah said concerning that:

It was We who revealed the law (to Moses): therein was guidance and light. By its standard have been judged the Jews, by the prophets who bowed (as in Islam) to Allah's will, by the rabbis and the doctors of law: for to them was entrusted the protection of Allah's book, and they were witnesses thereto: therefore fear not men, but fear me, and sell not my signs for a miserable price. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) Unbelievers. (Quran 5:44).

And;

Why do not the rabbis and the doctors of Law forbid them from their (habit of) uttering sinful words and eating things forbidden? Evil indeed are their works. (Quran 5:63).

3. Whatever will happen on this life has been written down and it's knowledge is with Allaah. And Allaah doesn't fail in His promises.

With Him are the keys of the unseen, the treasures that none knoweth but He. He knoweth whatever there is on the earth and in the sea. Not a leaf doth fall but with His knowledge: there is not a grain in the darkness (or depths) of the earth, nor anything fresh or dry (green or withered), but is (inscribed) in a record clear (to those who can read. (Quran 6:59).


4. For your information, Allaah never revealed any book to Christians . Jesus (pbuh) was a Jew and he did not tell anybody that the name of his religion is Christianity .

5. Muhammad (pbuh) did not authored the Quran. It was revealed to him by Allaah .

It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong. Quran 3:3.

Many people believe Muhammed is a false prophet who concocted the Quran. Is is provocative for such people to speak their beliefs in public
Many people believe Muhammed is a false prophet who concocted the Quran. Is is provocative for such people to speak their beliefs in public
Many people believe Muhammed is a false prophet who concocted the Quran. Is is provocative for such people to speak their beliefs in public
Many people believe Muhammed is a false prophet who concocted the Quran. Is is provocative for such people to speak their beliefs in public
Many people believe Muhammed is a false prophet who concocted the Quran. Is is provocative for such people to speak their beliefs in public
Many people believe Muhammed is a false prophet who concocted the Quran. Is is provocative for such people to speak their beliefs in public

In other words, you just indicted allah for knowing that the books he gave to the Jews will be tampered with, yet he still left them for them to protect? And, you even still called it Allas book?

bahaushe1:
The Torah and the Gospel were entrusted to the Rabbis and the Priests. They were expected to judge among the people using them but they watched while evil people tempered with them.
Allaah said concerning that:

Oh the Torah and the Gospel were entrusted to the Rabbis and Priest? I thought allah said he gave the Gospel to Jesus?

Okay, these Torah and Gospel were given to the Jews not to Arabs yeah? Right! But as at when allah gave these books to the Jews, were there Arabs living on earth then? What were they using as guidance to judge themselves?

Now, pls courteously tell me who these evil men were who tampered with Allah's book under his watch. Who were they?

bahaushe1:
It was We who revealed the law (to Moses): therein was guidance and light. By its standard have been judged the Jews, by the prophets who bowed (as in Islam) to Allah's will, by the rabbis and the doctors of law: for to them was entrusted the protection of Allah's book, and they were witnesses thereto: therefore fear not men, but fear me, and sell not my signs for a miserable price. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) Unbelievers. (Quran 5:44).

Who are the 'We?', i thought is one?

bahaushe1:
Why do not the rabbis and the doctors of Law forbid them from their (habit of) uttering sinful words and eating things forbidden? Evil indeed are their works. (Quran 5:63).

So almighty allah sat down and watched evil men destroyed his laws? the very laws he gave to guide the Jews to the truth? He left the Jews vulnerable in the hands of evil men and it took allah 600 yrears to propound another law, now for the Arabs leaving the Jews without any Law?
Isn't this ridiculous?

bahaushe1:
Whatever will happen on this life has been written down and it's knowledge is with Allaah. And Allaah doesn't fail in His promises.

In Other Words, allah had determined long ago to give the Jews the Torah and the Gospel which will be corrupt and allah will make them believe in them even when it's corrupt while he waits for 600 yrs to reveal another set of laws to the Arabs?

AGAIN, WHERE WERE THE ARABS WHEN ALLAH GAVE THESE LAWS TO THE JEWS? Biko, help me.

bahaushe1:
For your information, Allaah never revealed any book to Christians . Jesus (pbuh) was a Jew and he did not tell anybody that the name of his religion is Christianity

Lolzzzzzzz, so Jesus has a religion? So far, we have been cool headed, let's keep it like that.

Now, listen carefully. Jesus never put any ink to paper, never. He never wrote a book, not even the Jesus of the koran.

The Christians didn't give themselves that name. Haters like the Muslims used it as a disparaging and derogatory term to refer to the followers of Christ to stigmatize them, but they wore it proudly and the name stuck. Just like the Cross which was a symbol of shame was turned to a symbol of glory for us.

We joy in our tribulation dear.

And, for your information, Jesus never gave us a religion, He gave us a Kingdom (Sorry this will fly over your head). Just leave it at that.

quote author=bahaushe1 post=62622163]

Muhammad (pbuh) did not authored the Quran. It was revealed to him by Allaah[/quote]How could you tell that the revelations he got was from allah(i'm not in doubt that allah is satan tho). Moharmard was under a curse. A Sorcerer by name Labid bin Al A'sam, had cast a spell using enchantments against Moharmard, which caused him to see things which were not there.

How can you trust a man like that to tell the truth?

Moharmard was demons possessed and acted like a lunatic, how can his report be accepted as valid?

Besides, your claim is ridiculous. Moharmard never admitted to speaking directly with allah like the old prophets you guys claim are muslims did.

The prophets in the Torah allah claimed he gave to the Jews, God spoke directly to his prophets, except in very few occasions he sent an Angel, but with muharmard, Jibril (Jinn) delivered all the messages.

quote author=bahaushe1 post=62622163
It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong. Quran 3:3.[/quote]See, this is Allah's ridiculous claims which even him can not stand to validate.
What did allah confirm before sending the laws to Moses?

Is allah so dumb not to know that Jesus never wrote a book? Did Isa admitted to writing any book? Where is it?

Allah has to be very eratic just like his apostle.

He sent something forth which he confirmed before sending the laws to Moses, AT THAT TIME, HE TOTALLY FORGOT THE ARABS, then later he sent the Gospel to Jesus, which disappeared without a trace but lives inside the koran and in the heads of Muslims, then after 600yrs, HE TURNED AWAY FROM THE JEWS AND EMBRACED THE ARABS WITH A DIFFERENT BOOK

What an allah!

You only answered one out of the questions i asked. What divine power did allah give to the Jews to protect his book which they failed to apply?

We have the Holy Spirit and the Word of God is in itself Spirit.

You didn't address the part where allah decreed to give another book to the Arabs when he had given two already which had failed woefully.

Pls, where, when and to who did he make that decree? Pls bear in mind, it can't be to muhammed, because decrees are made before their enactment. He used Muhammad to enact that decree, so, when did he make the decree and to who?

aribisala0:
Many people believe Muhammed is a false prophet who concocted the Quran. Is is provocative for such people to speak their beliefs in public
Many people believe Muhammed is a false prophet who concocted the Quran. Is is provocative for such people to speak their beliefs in public
Many people believe Muhammed is a false prophet who concocted the Quran. Is is provocative for such people to speak their beliefs in public
Many people believe Muhammed is a false prophet who concocted the Quran. Is is provocative for such people to speak their beliefs in public
Many people believe Muhammed is a false prophet who concocted the Quran. Is is provocative for such people to speak their beliefs in public
Many people believe Muhammed is a false prophet who concocted the Quran. Is is provocative for such people to speak their beliefs in public

Muhammad's (pbuh) tribesmen (The idolaters among them) were the first to make these claims. But Allaah responded to them in a way that stood the test of time.

"And if ye are in doubt as to what We have revealed from time to time to Our servant(Muhammad), then produce a Sura like thereunto; and call your witnesses or helpers (If there are any) besides Allah, if you are truthful". (Quran 2:23).


"But if ye cannot- and of a surety ye cannot- then fear the Fire whose fuel is men and stones,- which is prepared for those who reject Faith". (Quran 2:24)


Go ahead and produce a book like the Quran which you claimed to have been concocted if you are truthful.

bahaushe1:
Muhammad's (pbuh) tribesmen (The idolaters among them) were the first to make these claims. But Allaah responded to them in a way that stood the test of time.

"And if ye are in doubt as to what We have revealed from time to time to Our servant(Muhammad), then produce a Sura like thereunto; and call your witnesses or helpers (If there are any) besides Allah, if you are truthful". (Quran 2:23).


"But if ye cannot- and of a surety ye cannot- then fear the Fire whose fuel is men and stones,- which is prepared for those who reject Faith". (Quran 2:24)


Go ahead and produce a book like the Quran which you claimed to have been concocted if you are truthful.

Anyway you are derailing this thread .

Whether or not you are right is not the point

People have a right to be wrong can you respect that
Can you accept that there are people who believe the opposite of what you believe and that your approach can only result in conflict and violence

Must you impose your belief on people

Do I have the right to believe that Muhammed is a false prophet?

You keep quoting YOUR Quran

Can you understand that some people believe the Quran is RUBBISH

Can you understand that?

do you concede that people have the RIGHT to believe that the Quran is absolute NONSENSE regardless of YOUR own beliefs

Is your right to believe that the Quran is right greater than the right or others to believ that it is nonsense?

That is what this thread is about.

So from that perspective What the Quran say is not relevant

You are free to say Muhammed is a messenger of God and others are free to say there is no God so there can be no Messenger
Others may say Jesus Christ is God
Whilst others may say Patience Jonathan is Jesus

Freedom is the issue here not doctrinal correctness