PVision2020:

Thank you jare. They are always found of shifting blames. They must find someone else to blame for their predicament. very irresponsible set of people.

shukuokukobambi:


Igbo mutineers killed Western regional and northern regional political and military leaders while sparing Eastern political and military leaders

gidgiddy:


My arguement is with those who say that Ironsi abolished the Regions. He did not. Yes he may have taken some powers from the Regions, he may have changed they way they worked and he may have introduced unitary rule. But he did not abolish the four existing Regions of the time.

The Result of this is that had others like Gowon who came after Ironsi left the 4 Regions as they were, we would have reverted back to Regionalism whenever civilian rule returned as the civilians would still have had on 4 Regions to work with instead of 36 states.

What people dont realise is that military decrees are temporal, they only exist when their is military rule. When civilians take over, all military decrees go. So decree 34 was only temporal. However, the state creation became permanent. State creation is why we practice unitary rule today and not decree 34 of 1966

nku5:


The most popular and despicable lie hatched by serpentine, evil yoruba propagandists. Disproved with great ease but shamelessly repeated in the vain hope that it will stick somehow

IditaBoy:



You’re being dishonest or trying to be slick at max.



See:https://www.google.com.ng/amp/thenationonlineng.net/the-mistake-of-1966/amp/

The first emboldened states that ypur man’s decree created a unitary system. That is, in simpler terms, deflated the regions and took economic & political powers away from them thereby appropriating all of these to himself inbthe center — this is what we have been battling today with the center having its fingers in every spherebof Nigeria and being all too power; the monthly cap in hand allocation. Yes, your man Ironsi began this path towards underdevelopment.

The second emboldened says that your man, Ironsi, created provinces manned with military governors - seems to e like he abolished regionalism. He set the structure for state creation which Mr. Gowin built upon. It is all your man’s doing & fault to have set Nigeria on this path of degeneration out of greed.

Yes, I say greed because aith the unification came the collapse of the covil service into the center and all Igbos who have, since constitutional conferences of the 1920s wanted a unification system, had their wish fulfilled and spread like wildfire into other regions taking up jobs. Something strange but backed by their son’s Decree 34.

Read: Groundwork of Nigeria History, specifically the part about Constitutional Development of Nigeria.

The North, through Gowon, got into power saw the benefits Ironsi had accrued to the Igbos in this new unitary system and proceeded to following it through, to their own advantage of course and over the decades we have continued to have a unitary Nigeria laden with Northern hegemony. Something you lot contiue to whine over claiming marginalisation of a system you started with hopes to benefit from and lost.

See Nnamdi Azikiwe’s God of Igbo Speech.

nku5:


The most popular and despicable lie hatched by serpentine, evil yoruba propagandists. Disproved with great ease but shamelessly repeated in the vain hope that it will stick somehow

nku5:


The most popular and despicable lie hatched by serpentine, evil yoruba propagandists. Disproved with great ease but shamelessly repeated in the vain hope that it will stick somehow

IditaBoy:


A revisit the details of the event shows Igbo killed everybother persons except their own politicians.

shukuokukobambi:


If only you could use all this moronic verbosity to prove ifeajuna or nzeogwu were not Igbo instead of wasting it on empty and useless rants, your life could actually have more meaning but alas, we expect in vain!!

nku5:
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Try to do a little research. Read the accounts of those who were involved with the 1966 coup. Don't rely only on the words of bigots crawling all over the internet. They will only infect you with their ignorance and hate.

I could recommend many books but try reading "Why we struck" by Wale Ademoyega (one of the plotters) it will broaden your scope

nku5:


Your bitter, simple minded half-truths deserve sympathy and little else.

IditaBoy:


As a doctoral student in History, I have taken courses in military in politics of Nigeria. By this, I have been exposed to numerous books. I have also spent considerable time on NL, a year after NL began soecifically, to have followed the debates on this same topic.

Wale Ademoyega’s account is more of a chronicle/primary source that requires a lot more vetting and reconstruction by a Historian. Ademoyega’s work is prone to being subjective.

Going by every sources out there, primary & secondary; military & civilian; citizens & expats as well as considering the socio-political feel preceding and after the coup, any Historian worth his/her salt or any person with an analytical mind knows it was an Igbo coup - masterminded and executed by the Igbo to put Nigeria at the feet of the Igbo.

Zik’s speech, constitutional conferences, ethnic unions all point towards the ideology of the Igbo prior to independence - this same mentality was displayed in Achebe’s last work.

The executors of the coup, victims and survivors of the coup, the beneficiary of the coup, the pardon of the executors of the coup and beneficiaries of the civil service integration are all Igbos.

A handful of non-Igbo sprinkled here and there with minor roles does not change anything. Everyone knows it is a Igbo coup, else the North would not have rolled out a Northern coup in response and continue to exude hatred/dislike towards the Igbo till today.

You are the one who needs to put down Ademoyega’s text and study papers of the Nigerian state’s politics and social system prior to independence to see a trend of the sense of superiority the Igbo carried into 1966.

It is also on record that after the coup, Igbos in the North took to the streets singing anti-Hausa songs and pro-Igbo songs.

Research is the key thing here. Don’t read books tilted towarss your preconceived expectation, read everything that says what you don’t like and what you like, compare texts and sources then draw a conclusion.

Michael004:
Don't fall into their trap. They are trying hard to deviate from the topic of discussion because it exposes them. That are only doing this

baralatie:
interesting

IditaBoy:


You don’t seem to get it.

1. Regionalism operated as an entire body with a premiere. Splitting a region into provinces headed by military ‘governors’ is what?

2. What we had under Ironsi is synonymous to what there us now. Unitary system with political zones run my state governors. How is this hard for you to understand?

3. Decree 34 is why we practice unitary system. You are failing to understand that Decree 34 itself was meant to dissolve Federalism. We have states now, are we practising Federalism or Decree 34’s Unitary system?

Sigh.

gidgiddy:


Then that means you probably dont know what Ironsi did. Ironsi did not split anything, the Regions were already made up 'provinces' or municipalities long before Ironsi came. For example, the Eastern Region was made up of 20 provinces, sometimes called divisions, such as the Owerri Province, Aba province, Njikoka province and even Yenagoa province. If you were thinking that the provinces only came about because of Ironsi, you thought wrong. All Ironsi was appoint 4 Military Governors for the 4 Regions to replace the 4 Premiers and make the 4 Regions to be directly responsible to the Military Government in Lagos as opposed to being responsible to parliament in Lagos when there was democracy.



Not true. What we had under Ironsi was 4 Regions who still enjoyed a high degree of autonomy, had resource control and fiscal federalism. Ironsi did abolish the revenue sharing formular of the time.



Decree 34 is not why you practice the unitary system. You practice the unitary system because of the creation of states and Ironsi created no states.

IditaBoy:


As a doctoral student in History, I have taken courses in military in politics of Nigeria. By this, I have been exposed to numerous books. I have also spent considerable time on NL, a year after NL began soecifically, to have followed the debates on this same topic.

Wale Ademoyega’s account is more of a chronicle/primary source that requires a lot more vetting and reconstruction by a Historian. Ademoyega’s work is prone to being subjective.

Going by every sources out there, primary & secondary; military & civilian; citizens & expats as well as considering the socio-political feel preceding and after the coup, any Historian worth his/her salt or any person with an analytical mind knows it was an Igbo coup - masterminded and executed by the Igbo to put Nigeria at the feet of the Igbo.

Zik’s speech, constitutional conferences, ethnic unions all point towards the ideology of the Igbo prior to independence - this same mentality was displayed in Achebe’s last work.

The executors of the coup, victims and survivors of the coup, the beneficiary of the coup, the pardon of the executors of the coup and beneficiaries of the civil service integration are all Igbos.

A handful of non-Igbo sprinkled here and there with minor roles does not change anything. Everyone knows it is a Igbo coup, else the North would not have rolled out a Northern coup in response and continue to exude hatred/dislike towards the Igbo till today.

You are the one who needs to put down Ademoyega’s text and study papers of the Nigerian state’s politics and social system prior to independence to see a trend of the sense of superiority the Igbo carried into 1966.

It is also on record that after the coup, Igbos in the North took to the streets singing anti-Hausa songs and pro-Igbo songs.

Research is the key thing here. Don’t read books tilted towarss your preconceived expectation, read everything that says what you don’t like and what you like, compare texts and sources then draw a conclusion.

konoplyanka:


Go and read ekweremadus opening speech T the ongoing southern senators meeting. He agrees with this thread. Or is he ignorant too?


Excerpt;

Ekweremadu likened Nigeria to a vast building expected to accommodate a multi-ethnic, multi-cultural, multi-religious and politically diverse people, according to a statement by his Special Adviser on Media, Mr. Uche Anichukwu.

He said, “To ensure equity, justice and prosperity of the various families and sections; and to allay fears of possible domination, our founding fathers settled for a federal constitution or structure after various conferences on the type of building, the architectural design, number of rooms and rules of cohabitation.

“Sadly, the rain started beating us from that fateful January coup, especially following the violation of the covenant of our fathers by the promulgation of Unitary Decree 1966. Although the July 1966 counter-coup was, among other things, predicated on the need to correct the General Aguyi Ironsi’s misadventure, subsequent regimes after him have steadily and deliberately corrupted the architectural design and undone all the foundations laid by the founding fathers.”

gidgiddy:


I do not agree with Ekweremadu because Ironsi did not tamper with the strctural arrangement of Nigeria. Whoever created states is who is responsible for the unitary rule we practice today, for had no state been created, unitary rule would have ended with military rule as it should have. But the creation of 'units' called states ensured that it was impossible to return to Regionalism when democracy returned.

russellino:
Nigerians are such lazy , deceitful, lousy ppl mehn! So 51 years after Ironsi died they are still blaming their failures on him? People that had the chance to demand a new future and restructure Nigeria along regional lines, instead you chose Buhari and his "change" and to console yourselves you are wanking over Ironsi. Not Gowon usurping his senior Brigadier Ogundipe's rank and becoming Head of state or fragmenting the regions into states that today can't survive without bail-out?

Before the 1966 coup the north with more seats in parliament than the three southern regions combined, already held Nigeria firmly by the balls but it is Ironsi that you self-service over?

SMH

Nowenuse:
Regionalism only favoured the majority tribes (Igbos and Hausa-fulanis especially).

Igbos and Hausas like dominating others. You can see how much they both still want to keep on controlling the middlebelt and Niger delta minority groups.
Only God knows how much Igbos and Hausas would have colonized the minority groups if not that state creation liberated the minorities.

IditaBoy:


As a student of History, I have taken courses in military in politics of Nigeria. By this, I have been exposed to numerous books. I have also spent considerable time on NL, a year after NL began soecifically, to have followed the debates on this same topic.

Wale Ademoyega’s account is more of a chronicle/primary source that requires a lot more vetting and reconstruction by a Historian. Ademoyega’s work is prone to being subjective.

Going by every sources out there, primary & secondary; military & civilian; citizens & expats as well as considering the socio-political feel preceding and after the coup, any Historian worth his/her salt or any person with an analytical mind knows it was an Igbo coup - masterminded and executed by the Igbo to put Nigeria at the feet of the Igbo.

Zik’s speech, constitutional conferences, ethnic unions all point towards the ideology of the Igbo prior to independence - this same mentality was displayed in Achebe’s last work.

The executors of the coup, victims and survivors of the coup, the beneficiary of the coup, the pardon of the executors of the coup and beneficiaries of the civil service integration are all Igbos.

A handful of non-Igbo sprinkled here and there with minor roles does not change anything. Everyone knows it is a Igbo coup, else the North would not have rolled out a Northern coup in response and continue to exude hatred/dislike towards the Igbo till today.

You are the one who needs to put down Ademoyega’s text and study papers of the Nigerian state’s politics and social system prior to independence to see a trend of the sense of superiority the Igbo carried into 1966.

It is also on record that after the coup, Igbos in the North took to the streets singing anti-Hausa songs and pro-Igbo songs.

Research is the key thing here. Don’t read books tilted towarss your preconceived expectation, read everything that says what you don’t like and what you like, compare texts and sources then draw a conclusion.

Ratello:


Respect bro you are an egghead. I share your sentiments here totally.

gidgiddy:


How exactly did state creation liberate the minorities?

It gave them their own states? Not really, none of the minorities was actually big enough to make a state and had to make up the number by sharing the same state with other ethnic groups.

State creation made them more autnomous? It did the opposite. Fiscal federalism, resource control and autonomy all disappeared with state creation.


States made the minorities richer? Before the states were created, the Regions kept 50% of of the proceeds of their land, 20% went to the Federal Government snd 30% went to a general pool for all Regions

Today, almost everything goes to the federal Govt and others are scrambling for 13% derivation.

igbodefender:
You don't want the world to know the real aim of the January 15, 1966 putschists, that's why you are jumping up and down abi?

Ovamboland:


There's no evidence of that real aim if there was one. Apart from not carrying out the coup in any part of the eastern region, non of the coup group was assigned the role of securing or springing Awolowo from jail. In fact no attempt was made to head for Calabar by the coupists

Ovamboland:


There's no evidence of that real aim if there was one. Apart from not carrying out the coup in any part of the eastern region, non of the coup group was assigned the role of securing or springing Awolowo from jail. In fact no attempt was made to head for Calabar by the coupists