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kmcutez:
What were the offerings used for in the new testament?

It was used in ministering to the needs of the apostles and to the poor...are you a Christian?

Ucheamani:
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Mosaic law comprised of 10 commandments and 600 other laws. Have u thought of why ur men of god single out tithing out of all the laws that were fulfilled in Christ Gal 3: 23 & 24?
Do you think its an error that tithing is not consistent with the principle of Christian giving 2 cor 9: 7 which says we should give as we have resoled in our hearts and not out of compulsion?

are you a Christian?...like I wrote before, they might call it tithing but it's called giving or seeds

Those of you supporting Daddy Freeze that Christians should not pay tithe because to them tithe is not in the New Testament but in Old Testament. Is Daddy Freeze and his co travellers saying Old Testament is no longer part of the Bible. Is Daddy Freeze and his co travellers are only reading New Testaments and have nothing to do with the Old Testaments because the words in the Old are no longer God's words. Anyway the end is very near so many prophets are coming up with wrong interpretations of God's words just to suit their own heart desire. May God bless us and touch the hearts of the perverter of His words.

lloyds:
I knew he won't reply you. Your spontaneous statements already depicts your childishness and ignorance.
Do a proper research on the subject, carry your Bible and pray to God to widen your understanding.

Insult me all you can, no problem. Just show me one bible verse that supports tithing.

If you can't show me, ask your pastor to show you.

If both you and your pastor can't show you, ask God to reveal his mind on this subject to you.

In the mean time, please shut up if you have no Bible passage to back up your ignorant conjectures.

simtosul:
Who is Lanre Atorise Yahoo yahoo self-professed gospel singer I guess and chronic adulterer if I may say. If you want to attack Daddyfreeze should better come up with a scriptures that back it up that if you don't pay tithe to all this so called Daddy GO, God will not bless you financially. I can't just imagine some people will still be attending church where a pastor will be cursing you and and still there saying "if you don't pay tithe things will be tithe for you". They don't care how much you try to survive each day and to see how they can improve each church member standard of living whether you pay tithe or not. Some churches now have special prayer for faithful and regular tither. The person that is not financially steady that can hardly afford to eat 3 times in a day are the ones you people keep asking to sow seed and pay tithe. If the churches took half of the money that they were making and gave it back to the community we would be alright. If they take half the buildings they built to praise God and gave it to people who need God, we would be alright. Have you seen some of our Churches GO lately? Jesus Christ was the least materialistic person to ever walk on earth but most pastors nowadays turned around and made his religion the most materialistic. Check the screenshots below

Sir.
I want to pray for you but don't know where to start from.
In short..... May God bless you.


I might commit plagiarism with some excerpts carved from here. Forgive me.

Mariangeles:
When you study the new testament, you'd know that many people gave even in the time of Jesus but it was mainly called seeds and did you know that people of the new testament gave more than the people of the old testament, they gave more than 10%, they gave out of passion, out of love, whereas the people of the old testament were obligated to give whether they liked it or not...I have so many bible verses on that but going into that for the sake of debate is wrong according to the Word of God.

Oga, I have no problem with giving, my problem is the compulsion attached to tithing. When did gentiles outside the Levitical order start collecting tithes outside a theocracy?

Mind you, giving is a form of sowing and reaping and is a natural law. Whether the giver is an atheist or animist, God blesses him.

Most tithers are giving to receive and this shows their motive is wrong. They want to bribe. Freewill offerings are the best, you give not expecting anything in return but out of love. This is usually done to the less privileged.

But why is it only tithing you see in the old testament, what about Sabbath keeping, stoning of stubborn kids, killing of adulterous people and false prophets?

archipelago:
Those of you supporting Daddy Freeze that Christians should not pay tithe because to them tithe is not in the New Testament but in Old Testament. Is Daddy Freeze and his co travellers saying Old Testament is no longer part of the Bible. Is Daddy Freeze and his co travellers are only reading New Testaments and have nothing to do with the Old Testaments because the words in the Old are no longer God's words. Anyway the end is very near so many prophets are coming up with wrong interpretations of God's words just to suit their own heart desire. May God bless us and touch the hearts of the perverter of His words.

What do you expect him to say? Tope Alabi, Sammie Okposo, Sinach etc will defend all the money hungry pastors because they invites them to their church to perform. Indirectly he(Atorise) is affiliated with most of those money hungry pastors. He need their church platform to perform as special guest artist in a Thanksgiving service or Anniversary where he will be paid thousands of hundred. So i'm not surprise he is defending them because it will definitely affect him indirectly if money isn't flowing in the hands of these money hungry pastors.

Freeze is asking for scriptural backing. If you would take out time to reply him, you might as well quote scriptures. Otherwise ignore him.

All these philosophical responses are counterproductive, really.

Okoyeeboz:
Oga, I have no problem with giving, my problem is the compulsion attached to tithing. When did gentiles outside the Levitical order start collecting tithes outside a theocracy?

Mind you, giving is a form of sowing and reaping and is a natural law. Whether the giver is an atheist or animist, God blesses him.

Most tithers are giving to receive and this shows their motive is wrong. They want to bribe. Freewill offerings are the best, you give not expecting anything in return but out of love. This is usually done to the less privileged.

It is not right to force someone to give and also it is right for you, freeze or anyone to be angry because some people chooses to give, as long as they didn't steal from you or complained about...

Narldon:


If u thoroughly read this post;

You will understand and give a deep thought into this matter, you will have no option than to agree that the issue is similar to what might have happened or occurred or even a resemblance of something that will definitely elude a mere human prowess and finally come to the conclusion that I have nothing to say.

Your crazeness is of the first order

Mariangeles:
it's not about pride, it's about obedience to the word of God...read
Titus 3:9

The Pastors are wrong in the 1st place and that was what Freeze is trying bring to their knowledge. If they don't want to engage Freeze in a debate, then they should counter all the points he raise using scriptures instead of threats and curses.

Col 2:16
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.

Don't judge anyone with anything done on a sabbath day which includes tithing. Tithe cards, etc are so wrong.

Titus 3:9
Do not get involved in foolish discussions about spiritual pedigrees or in quarrels and fights about obedience to Jewish laws. These things are useless and a waste of time.

Knowing fully well that no one will judge because of tithe, then is now useless and a waste of time to engage in any discussion about the jewish tithe law. Freeze is just telling them what they are doing wrong using the scriptures. The need for debate arose when they said he is wrong without any scriptural backup.

Know also the tithe compels you to give a certain amount of money(these days they threaten us with a curse and withdrawal of certain benefits as Christians in the Church). This is against the commandment of God that we give as we purpose in our heart, not grudgingly or of necessity.

Those compelling you to give tithe are working against the commandment of God.

Mariangeles:
He doesn't need to counter anything with bible verses, all he and all true Christians need to do is ignore freeze...The Word of GOD is too important to be trifled with.

So you can't back up your deeds which you claim to o be spiritual with the scriptures. That means you are praticisng dogma and religion instead of spirituality

Narldon:


If u thoroughly read this post;

You will understand and give a deep thought into this matter, you will have no option than to agree that the issue is similar to what might have happened or occurred or even a resemblance of something that will definitely elude a mere human prowess and finally come to the conclusion that I have nothing to say.

I want a refund! For my wasted time.

On the issue of Freeze VS Nigerian pastor, well all I have to say is if the sheeple don't want to be freed biko leave them.
Freeze has consistently challenged the pastors to justify tithing which unfortunately no pastor has been able, instead they direct curses and personal rhetorics which bears similitude to the defense strategy adopted by guilty suspects in court.

Tithing is not a Christian practice, it's Jewish as it is Only obtainable in old testament.
But there's no where in the new testament where it is forbidden to pay tithe so if anyone's faith is in Tithing, by all means let them tithe.
If yours isn't, give cheerfully.

For more on what the New Testament says about Tithing/Giving.
http://www.boundless.org/advice/2013/what-does-the-new-testament-say-about-giving

Acidosis:
Daddy Freeze at 40 years threw his wife out of his home only to date a new girlfriend. Is that the kind of man you look up to on spiritual matters?

You guys are dum.b

Freeze is sleeping with a girl young enough to be her daughter, a girl she's not married to and you dare condemn Atorise over unfounded allegations? You are c r a z y

Try and remove the log of wood in your eyes, in freeze eyes before talking nonsense online.

This here is the problem with Christians. We think you have to be 'pure' before God uses you. I guess pastor Chris oyakilome who cheated on his wife is 'pure' or Apostle suleman who has accussed of adultery is pure. If God could use Moses a murderer, Jacob a fraudster, Paul a serial killers and even a donkey to save Ballam, why can't he use freeze that has not done up to what these guys have done. Focus on the message. God used a prostitute to save her household from the onslaught of the Israelis when they wanted to invade Jericho. Haba!

Mariangeles:
It was used in ministering to the needs of the apostles and to the poor...are you a Christian?

Show me a verse where it was used for the apostles.

simtosul:
Who is Lanre Atorise Yahoo yahoo self-professed gospel singer I guess and chronic adulterer if I may say. If you want to attack Daddyfreeze should better come up with a scriptures that back it up that if you don't pay tithe to all this so called Daddy GO, God will not bless you financially. I can't just imagine some people will still be attending church where a pastor will be cursing you and and still there saying "if you don't pay tithe things will be tithe for you". They don't care how much you try to survive each day and to see how they can improve each church member standard of living whether you pay tithe or not. Some churches now have special prayer for faithful and regular tither. The person that is not financially steady that can hardly afford to eat 3 times in a day are the ones you people keep asking to sow seed and pay tithe. If the churches took half of the money that they were making and gave it back to the community we would be alright. If they take half the buildings they built to praise God and gave it to people who need God, we would be alright. Have you seen some of our Churches GO lately? Jesus Christ was the least materialistic person to ever walk on earth but most pastors nowadays turned around and made his religion the most materialistic. Check the screenshots below

As far as they are concerned lanre can commit any sin he likes, as long as he pays the tithe, all is well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0Q00QT4aVs


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JV6vlahoXlA

Everythinggoes:
Tithes is the only way not to rob God. You can only rob God in Tithes and offering, if you like go share money and food to the poor it can never replace your Tithes but its just a golden rule give and it shall be given unto you. Why would God keep you alive to make money and just 10% is too big in our eyes to give him. Just 1000 naira of every 10,000 we make

.So people still reasons like this. Thank daddy freeze.the fools ar showing up.nkea but ezigbo okoko Reddeem

kmcutez:
Show me a verse where it was used for the apostles.

Read Philippians 4:16-17

TemmyTee82:
Freeze is asking for scriptural backing. If you would take out time to reply him, you might as well quote scriptures. Otherwise ignore him.

All these philosophical responses are counterproductive, really.

Why are u people so ignorant. If reading the Bible is difficult for u, why don't u use Google.
If u think Jesus didn't approve tithing, please read Matt. 23.23. He spoke of its weight as compared to other spiritual laws. .
Am not a pastor nor minister, but a child of God that is thirsty for His words and ways.
Freeze that is leaving a loose and unbalanced life is the one that will show u path to morality.
My Pity for youths of this generation.

Okoyeeboz:
Insult me all you can, no problem. Just show me one bible verse that supports tithing.

If you can't show me, ask your pastor to show you.

If both you and your pastor can't show you, ask God to reveal his mind on this subject to you.

In the mean time, please shut up if you have no Bible passage to back up your ignorant conjectures.

What did Jesus say in Mattew 23.23?

Did he disapprove tithing? Go back carry your Bible and learn.

Zizicardo:
Lol...dis wan too wan popular

Na u dey find relevance and recognition. The guy don make am already!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeeROC0w3sc

afroxyz:
So you can't back up your deeds which you claim to o be spiritual with the scriptures. That means you are praticisng dogma and religion instead of spirituality

of course I can back my claims with bible verses, don't confuse things... Read and understand my comment and don't try to manipulate me.
I am guided by the Word of GOD.

EPAINYOU:
The Pastors are wrong in the 1st place and that was what Freeze is trying bring to their knowledge. If they don't want to engage Freeze in a debate, then they should counter all the points he raise using scriptures instead of threats and curses.

Col 2:16
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.

Don't judge anyone with anything done on a sabbath day which includes tithing. Tithe cards, etc are so wrong.

Titus 3:9
Do not get involved in foolish discussions about spiritual pedigrees or in quarrels and fights about obedience to Jewish laws. These things are useless and a waste of time.

Knowing fully well that no one will judge because of tithe, then is now useless and a waste of time to engage in any discussion about the jewish tithe law. Freeze is just telling them what they are doing wrong using the scriptures. The need for debate arose when they said he is wrong without any scriptural backup.

Know also the tithe compels you to give a certain amount of money(these days they threaten us with a curse and withdrawal of certain benefits as Christians in the Church). This is against the commandment of God that we give as we purpose in our heart, not grudgingly or of necessity.

Those compelling you to give tithe are working against the commandment of God.

First of all, they owe freeze no explanations, they only answer to GOD...So let GOD be the Judge over this issue of tithing/giving.
Their mistake in the first place was giving importance to freeze and his talks.

Mariangeles:
First of all, they owe freeze no explanations, they only answer to GOD...So let GOD be the Judge over this issue of tithing/giving.
Their mistake in the first place was giving importance to freeze and his talks.

React to the scriptures I quoted.

I did not become aware of these things because of Freeze. I have known these things and been asking question since 2010. Freeze is not an excuse.

Like I said, tithe is againsts Gods commandments to Christians on giving.

EPAINYOU:
React to the scriptures I quoted.

I did not become aware of these things because of Freeze. I have known these things and been asking question since 2010. Freeze is not an excuse.

Like I said, tithe is againsts Gods commandments to Christians on giving.

Are you a Christian?

Mariangeles:
Are you a Christian?

Yes

Dreyxam:
https://newsroom.ng/lanre-teriba-backs-pastor-ashimolowo-says-daddy-freeze-want-stay-relevant/

. Hahaha upon all what u ve also said no single verse of bible is there to back it..... Daddy freeze am still on ur side untill it is being backed up by the holy bible.

EPAINYOU:
Yes

Then study the Word of God and act as the Holy Spirit guides you...That's it!

Narldon:


If u thoroughly read this post;

You will understand and give a deep thought into this matter, you will have no option than to agree that the issue is similar to what might have happened or occurred or even a resemblance of something that will definitely elude a mere human prowess and finally come to the conclusion that I have nothing to say.

u don start