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Well, this sounds like a rendition from sacramentum of the defeated.

lloyds:
You are free to interprete/understand the scriptures as it suits you.
I have so many things to attend to. Pele.
It is well.

Zico5:
Now truth is coming out gradually. I am a Christian and I also believe and pay my tithe. Before I thought daddy freeze is insane but with all these responses I have no doubt that someone is pained and serious jittery. What our pastors need to do is maintain silence if truly they believe tithing is of God and he can take control. Responding to daddy freeze means the man is making sense.

he has supported every of his claim with clear and unbiased bible verses. all the pastor were attacking his personae not his point.

trenchard:
They claim that by paying your tithe, one gain financial success. For me, their is no correlation as statistics is mute on that.

what about dangote.

lloyds:
Why are u people so ignorant. If reading the Bible is difficult for u, why don't u use Google.
If u think Jesus didn't approve tithing, please read Matt. 23.23. He spoke of its weight as compared to other spiritual laws. .
Am not a pastor nor minister, but a child of God that is thirsty for His words and ways.
Freeze that is leaving a loose and unbalanced life is the one that will show u path to morality.
My Pity for youths of this generation.

Guy, how far? Why do you read out of context?


All I'm saying is: Freeze demands scriptures. If you want to come on social media to reply him, give him scriptures. If you feel he is not worth your time, then ignore him totally.

Why should you reply a person who is "leaving a loose and unbalanced life" in the first place?

Remember: the greater fool is the one who argues with a fool.

Mariangeles:
Read Philippians 4:16-17

Paul mentioned that it was an unexpected gift in the time of his need. How does it relate to offerings collected by the pastors day in and day out?

We should give out of free will, and not be forced to give. It is not a requirement to support your pastors.

2 Thessalonians 3:8
nor did we eat anyone's food without paying for it. Instead, in labor and toil, we worked night and day so that we would not be a burden to any of you.

EPAINYOU:
Better tell that to the Pastors. They should just have faith and stop judging us with tithe cards and threatening those not paying tithe. their attitude is affecting our relationship with fellow christians.

A friend of mine once told me that he would rather give to the church than help me when I was in need. I asked him why. He told me that I won't remember him but the church will. I was bambozled by his reply. He has never asked me for anything before and I refused.

And again recently I was decieved by Pastors at winners chapel Aba(they really dribbled and ignored me when I needed). Maybe they they felt I have not paid tithe enough to get the welfare the promised me. I regret paying tithe and the money I spent attending wofbi(word of faith bible institute).

I have dumped church going for now cos the essence was defeated. They won't succeed in making me an atheist. Me and my God, in spirit and in truth, any day any time as Christ said it.

No matter what, Your relationship with GOD is the most important and never you compromise that because of any man, in everything always look up to GOD and GOD'S word for answers, all these arguments are unnecessary and distracting from the main objective which is GOD. When we learn to respect each other's decision and mind our various businesses, then we will realize that life is simple.
If I choose to do something you don't agree with, you have to accept that it is my decision and respect that and I You. Let people love and serve GOD the way they choose, is that too hard to understand?
( I thought you were an atheist in disguise) My point is mind your relationship with GOD and let others mind theirs...Read Colossians 2:6-8

chikeze:
The reason why Freeze seems to have an edge over all this Yahoo pastors is that he always backs up his claim with a referral to the Bible. But they dont.

you make it sound like he(freeze) wrote the Bible himself. He is only asking that we all follow the scriptures. The fake Pastors that claim to be following the Bible can't even back up their practices with a verse. Isn't that a shame??

They have labelled themselves the almighty God and can institute any laws on their sheeples

Mariangeles:
When you study the new testament, you'd know that many people gave even in the time of Jesus but it was mainly called seeds and did you know that people of the new testament gave more than the people of the old testament, they gave more than 10%, they gave out of passion, out of love, whereas the people of the old testament were obligated to give whether they liked it or not...I have so many bible verses on that but going into that for the sake of debate is wrong according to the Word of God.

lies !! If you have he Bible verses then drop them all and watch me counter them all with another verses... y'all have done enough damages, your tea time is over

The idiot keep quoting "on the off chance" okay, is it them by force to be progressive..we don't want progress then, we are paying our tithe to those who truely needs it, just like the man of God that Joshua already said. Why aren't these sheeples using their brains at all. I have never seen where someone who wants to give you something still forces you to come an collect it unless he has something to gain.. fraudsters everywhere and I pray these sheeples receive Sense

Mariangeles:
It was used in ministering to the needs of the apostles and to the poor...are you a Christian?

oh to the needs Abi? And that includes luxurious things Abi?? I'm aware that it cost a fortune to own a donkey back them so did Jesus or the desciples own one??

kmcutez:
Paul mentioned that it was an unexpected gift in the time of his need. How does it relate to offerings collected by the pastors day in and day out?

We should give out of free will, and not be forced to give. It is not a requirement to support your pastors.

2 Thessalonians 3:8
nor did we eat anyone's food without paying for it. Instead, in labor and toil, we worked night and day so that we would not be a burden to any of you.

Your are not forced to give and nobody is going to arrest you if you don't, but what is your grievance with those who chose to give, it is neither your money nor your business... Respect their decision, it's that simple...In the end, only GOD can judge.

Abudu2000:
lies !! If you have he Bible verses then drop them all and watch me counter them all with another verses... y'all have done enough damages, your tea time is over

Look at you, a Muslim, challenging me in the things of Christianity, the audacity!
I blame freeze for putting the body of Christ to public shame so that every Muslim, atheist and whatsoever can dare to come and analyze what they think they know...

Abudu2000:
oh to the needs Abi? And that includes luxurious things Abi?? I'm aware that it cost a fortune to own a donkey back them so did Jesus or the desciples own one??

What do you know about our Jesus?

Mariangeles:
Your are not forced to give and nobody is going to arrest you if you don't, but what is your grievance with those who chose to give, it is neither your money nor your business... Respect their decision, it's that simple...In the end, only GOD can judge.

But that is not what pastors of nowadays are preaching. They are willingly misleading the sheeples.

It is not a must to give to support the gospel. No one was greater than Paul in spreading the gospel, yet he still toiled day and night via hard work, so as not to be a burden to the saints.

Most times when offerings were collected, it was actually to help the poor amongst them, and not for the apostles.

kmcutez:
But that is not what pastors of nowadays are preaching. They are willingly misleading the sheeples.

Allow the Spirit to guide you, that's if you're a Christian... Your salvation is more important than winning arguments.
Pleasing GOD should be your utmost priority.

Mariangeles:
What do you know about our Jesus?

Your Jesus ke. Lol.

kmcutez:
Paul mentioned that it was an unexpected gift in the time of his need. How does it relate to offerings collected by the pastors day in a nd day out?

We should give out of free will, and not be forced to give. It is not a requirement to support your pastors.

2 Thessalonians 3:8
nor did we eat anyone's food without paying for it. Instead, in labor and toil, we worked night and day so that we would not be a burden to any of you.

What part did Paul mention that the gift was unexpected? in fact he was expecting others to give but only the Christians of Philippians responded.

kmcutez:
Your Jesus ke. Lol.

YES...MY JESUS WHOM I'M PASSIONATE ABOUT!

Zizicardo:
Lol...dis wan too wan popular

Na to defend im daily bread na. Lol
If gods of men don’t scam their sheeple, how will they pay the gospel singer who serenades before the call for tithes, offerings, seeds, vows, pledges, building fund, private jet fund, university fund ati bebe lo

ZeeBaba17:
what has he got to say to counter the verses Freeze quote?

He has got nothing to say from the Bible.
He has plenty to save for his pocket.

Everythinggoes:
Tithes is the only way not to rob God. You can only rob God in Tithes and offering, if you like go share money and food to the poor it can never replace your Tithes but its just a golden rule give and it shall be given unto you. Why would God keep you alive to make money and just 10% is too big in our eyes to give him. Just 1000 naira of every 10,000 we make

Kindly share with us, the bank account details and address of God in order for Him to receive tithes and any other payment.
Thanks.

Everythinggoes:
Tithes is the only way not to rob God. You can only rob God in Tithes and offering, if you like go share money and food to the poor it can never replace your Tithes but its just a golden rule give and it shall be given unto you. Why would God keep you alive to make money and just 10% is too big in our eyes to give him. Just 1000 naira of every 10,000 we make

now let me ask you mr man,u re goig to church with ur tithe money nd u encountered an accident which requires ur money to save the lives of people there.what will u do.

Mariangeles:
What part did Paul mention that the gift was unexpected? in fact he was expecting others to give but only the Christians of Philippians responded.

The key word is even.

Philippians 4:16, KJV: "For even in Thessalonica ye sent once and again unto my necessity."


Philippians 4:16, NASB: "for even in Thessalonica you sent a gift more than once for my needs."


Use your verbal reasoning skills. Definition of even: Used to emphasize something surprising or extreme.

Follysho707:
You're urgently needed @ ur house opposite of Yaba motor park popularly known as "Yaba-Left"

no be small thing bro.those against freeze re either earning a living througj d church,pastors,their children.etc.cos i dont see hw dis sums up,enriching someone who is already rich or who is lazy to go out there nd hustle like real man.who will God be pleased with.a man who helped d poor,needy,homeless,sick.or the one who pays tithe nd ignore the former.mtcheeew

Mariangeles:
When you mature in the things of GOD, you'd know that engaging freeze in a debate about GOD and tithe is condescending...

A debate is useless.. but we need someone to explain to us y Jesus and his apostles didn't pay tithes and y tithe is d only Jewish law from the old testament that dis pastors choose to practice.

When Jesus talked about giving in other to receive he wasn't refering to tithes. So are u paying tithes just because Ur pastor says so?

sprintscr7:
I don't want to abuse didn't u see one tenth in the bible

See, the instructions on what to do with the tithe is clearly stated in the Bible and nowhere God said it should be given to him.

HyDef:
“Everybody feels obliged with the need to keep up distinction in their career and at the same time maintain fame.” Atorise added.

Ironic.

Is that what your mentor, Freeze is also Looking for?
Park well bro.

In d 10 world richest pastors 5 or 6 of nigerian pastors made d list bt d poverty rate here in nigeria is sumtin else.every1 seem 2 b enriching themseleves tru dis religion crap,most churches own massive universities bt hw many of their members(less privilage)attends such university.most own private jets as well if nt 2 or 5,do u know wat it cost 2 maintan a private jet?wat abt d community in thier location wat have d given back.

D thing here missing is!who is actually doing d work of God.who is actually standing up 4 d poor.most of dis pastors only want 2 b super rich,wat is end-result of ur tithing & people still suffer.wats d tithing 4?is it 4 pastor or it brethrens.

Mariangeles:
No matter what, Your relationship with GOD is the most important and never you compromise that because of any man, in everything always look up to GOD and GOD'S word for answers, all these arguments are unnecessary and distracting from the main objective which is GOD. When we learn to respect each other's decision and mind our various businesses, then we will realize that life is simple.
If I choose to do something you don't agree with, you have to accept that it is my decision and respect that and I You. Let people love and serve GOD the way they choose, is that too hard to understand?
( I thought you were an atheist in disguise) My point is mind your relationship with GOD and let others mind theirs...Read Colossians 2:6-8

Am doing that now. God first. I will never take anything Pastors say serious except I see it from the scripture. If they can deceive me and still have the mind to ignore me despite my message to them and visits, then they shouldn't be taken serious.

Pastors should also learn to respect our decisions and never judge our giving with tithe cards. Let God be the judge. They should also not stop us from saying the truth according to the scripture. If they have something better to dispute our facts scriptural wise, they should use it. The word of is life, they should use it. For now, threats and curses is all they have got to offer on this matter.

Thanks for Col 2:8. I have learnt my lessons from experience that they should not be trusted.

kmcutez:
The key word is even.

Philippians 4:16, KJV: "For even in Thessalonica ye sent once and again unto my necessity."


Philippians 4:16, NASB: "for even in Thessalonica you sent a gift more than once for my needs."


Use your verbal reasoning skills. Definition of even: Used to emphasize something surprising or extreme.

The Word of God is simple to understand, but it's when people like you choose to twist and over analyze it, you start to confuse yourself and others. The word of GOD as simple as ABC, not like "verbal reasoning" you need "skill" to understand... Don't confuse yourself.
Take the Word of GOD as simple as it is and watch yourself grow in the things of GOD.

Freeze is just a fool.He should turn his attention to the sponsors of boko haram instead of harrasing Pastors.