spyder880:


Baba, you know your onions. Master paint maker.

thank you sir.

Ciga22:


I mean the duplex of 4bedroom is a different structure then the 2bedroom flat is a differnet sturcture but in the same piece of land.

Size 1 plot (90x60).

Thanx

ok...sorry for coming late
na lagos work made me busy oo...done with d 3d sha entering d 2d proper...client getting things ready b4 christmas...
27m by 18m
it's actually small sir but if u make it 4bedroom duplex then attach 2bedroom flat down 2bedroom flat up it will take that then d left area for parking lot, water tank soakaway etc...if u need that message me on 08100452977/whatsapp or any other architect here or any other place tho am one but i don't mind that tho just here to help,learn,take advice too n also for rendering architectural services ...tnx

spyder880:


With all due respects Bro, and as a bona fide Enugu resident, a small duplex and a 3 storeyed building of flats may not fit into the same land if the plot size is only 90 x 60 ft. Except if the flats is not a double wing of flats which should mean about 8 flats of 2 bedrooms.

For one, the buildings cannot fit into the land talk less of park and living space. Soakaway tanks and possible water tanks. I suggest you get an architect to do you a sketch of what is possible before you move any further, lands are very costly, so ensure you make the best use of it.
Good luck.

u nailed it well oga on top the house...good evening

gbadexy:

let me help hajji out here.
screeding is done after plastering the building. cement screeding is smoother and better in my opinion. I used to have pictures of cement screeding of different projects but i don't have them anymore. However, I will post pictures of a painted project that cement screeding was used.
just for the record, I don't get involved in any form of screeding, I'm just giving my personal opinion. I've seen countless of pop screeding on sites and I've seen cement screeding and I only speak from my observation.
On a professional level, cement screeding doesn't set fast and won't waste materials.
it's smoother because it has longer open time to work it and has free lime to make it flexible when working before it sets.
water doesn't affect it, and water in paints also combine with the cement to further hydrate it. The water won't evaporate from the wall but would rather be soaked in by the cement to further hydrate it and make it stronger. The paint would therefore be chemically linked with the wall. it's won't peal off easily unlike pop screeding.
There is no cement/sand plaster that can give the level of smoothness as screeding. no matter how many times the sands are sifted.
you only need to compare the aggregate of both. The aggregate in pop emulsion paint used as the aggregate is calcium carbonate powder. you are basically comparing plaster sand to calcium carbonate powder in smoothness.
I've seen very well plastered walls that doesn't require screeding for matte emulsion to be applied on it, however it would still need to be screeded for satin to be applied on it. satin is thin and light and the tiny pores on cement plaster would be obvious and won't give that perfect smooth finish.

modified to include cement screeding

This is a very detailed write up. More grease to your elbow boss. I'm better informed now and I would seek to get this done.

Knowing all these advantages, ( I would want to assume materials are also cheaper...) why don't people go for this option cement screeding?

One last question, who does cement screeding? POP guys or masons?

alstacs:


This is a very detailed write up. More grease to your elbow boss. I'm better informed now and I would seek to get this done.

Knowing all these advantages, ( I would want to assume materials are also cheaper...) why don't people go for this option cement screeding?

One last question, who does cement screeding? POP guys or masons?

pop cement is more expensive that portland cement.
The guys doing pop work and screeding do cement screeding also.
pop cement sets under 10 minutes and the finish coat can be applied immediately. contractors and screeders like it so they can finish on time and go to another site.
Although it wastes materials because they have to finish the mixed plaster before it sets and once it starts setting, the rest would be useless.
looking at the bigger picture, the cement screeding takes the same time as the pop plaster.
large areas could be covered on the first day and the finish coat could be applied the following day.

alstacs:


Alhaji, I have two questions,
1. this cement screeding is a process after normal plastering I presume? Or is it done during the normal plastering?

2.what does it look like? I sincerely am not comfortable with POP screeding outside, so this will be a good option for me.

Answers:
1. Yes it's a process after regular plastering...

2. It makes the wall real smooth & levelled and sealed cracks on wall, and when done well will feel glossy like glass when touched, also helps using less paints.
Same like the POP screeding but using pure cement and some other bonding chemicals.

Hajji M.

gabbytabby:
I go find your trouble small or should i say bust your bubble small.
If you get good plasterer who will sift the good plaster sand that you buy then you dont need to screed. Screeding na wayo extra work and money.

My sister, not so o. Even with a well plastered wall, the screeding will surely still make a difference.

Hajji M.

gbadexy:

let me help hajji out here.
screeding is done after plastering the building. cement screeding is smoother and better in my opinion. I used to have pictures of cement screeding of different projects but i don't have them anymore. However, I will post pictures of a painted project that cement screeding was used.
just for the record, I don't get involved in any form of screeding, I'm just giving my personal opinion. I've seen countless of pop screeding on sites and I've seen cement screeding and I only speak from my observation.
On a professional level, cement screeding doesn't set fast and won't waste materials.
it's smoother because it has longer open time to work it and has free lime to make it flexible when working before it sets.
water doesn't affect it, and water in paints also combine with the cement to further hydrate it. The water won't evaporate from the wall but would rather be soaked in by the cement to further hydrate it and make it stronger. The paint would therefore be chemically linked with the wall. it's won't peal off easily unlike pop screeding.
There is no cement/sand plaster that can give the level of smoothness as screeding. no matter how many times the sands are sifted.
you only need to compare the aggregate of both. The aggregate in pop emulsion paint used as the aggregate is calcium carbonate powder. you are basically comparing plaster sand to calcium carbonate powder in smoothness.
I've seen very well plastered walls that doesn't require screeding for matte emulsion to be applied on it, however it would still need to be screeded for satin to be applied on it. satin is thin and light and the tiny pores on cement plaster would be obvious and won't give that perfect smooth finish.

modified to include cement screeding

Thank you for the narration, Oga mi. Very well said.
You have personally seen my project before and after screeding... (since you are one of those "keeping eyes" on the project for me. )
and I am sure you can testify that the house was very well plastered but more better after the screeding.

Note: Screeding is not important or a requirement and you don't have to do it... but personally, it makes my wall looked and feel fine.

Hajji M.

alstacs:

This is a very detailed write up. More grease to your elbow boss. I'm better informed now and I would seek to get this done.
Knowing all these advantages, ( I would want to assume materials are also cheaper...) why don't people go for this option cement screeding?
One last question, who does cement screeding? POP guys or masons?

Cheaper than POP screeding... why do you think they call me "kobo-kobo" man?
Why people don't use it generally.... I don't know.
POP guys does the screeding job.... not Bricklayers (Mason)
That is little that I know... the professionals should chime in..

Hajji M.

mufutau55:


Cheaper than POP screeding... why do you think they call me "kobo-kobo" man?
Why people don't use it generally.... I don't know.
POP guys does the screeding job.... not Bricklayers (Mason)
That is little that I know... the professionals should chime in..

Hajji M.

Sir! From my own Experience, I think The reason why People don't use it is because its harder to screed Smoothly than Pop Screed. Also Harder to sand Paper, Its Harder when dry. But @gbadexy is right, its way Better. It doesn't Scratch off Easily like POP Screed. If the Screeders can Sand paper and while screeding, and mix properly with POp Paint, then You are surely good to go!

skimanski:

Sir! From my own Experience, I think The reason why People don't use it is because its harder to screed Smoothly than Pop Screed. Also Harder to sand Paper, Its Harder when dry. But @gbadexy is right, its way Better. It doesn't Scratch off Easily like POP Screed. If the Screeders can Sand paper and while screeding, and mix properly with POp Paint, then You are surely good to go!

My Oga pata-pata, Skimanski, has spoken. You covered everything Sir. Thank you.

Hajji M.

KolaShangOne:


Wow. That's really cheap. 100,000 naira to buy original wires and installation labour just last year?

probably surface sure

KolaShangOne:


Wow. That's really cheap. 100,000 naira to buy original wires and installation labour just last year?

probably surface wire

Good morning,total square meters of the rooms i want to do pop is 66sqmtrs.Someone said its better i get my own materials.Please can i get break down of all i need from competent hands here?

mufutau55:


My Oga pata-pata has spoken. You covered everything Sir. Thank you.

Hajji M.

you're welcome sir

mufutau55:


Thank you for the narration, Oga mi. Very well said.
You have personally seen my project before and after screeding... (since you are one of those "keeping eyes" on the project for me. )
and I am sure you can testify that the house was very well plastered but more better after the screeding.

Note: Screeding is not important and not a requirement and you don't have to do it... but personally, it makes my wall looked and feel fine.

Hajji M.

my able chairman!
The wall was well plastered and smooth but the screeding made it much more smoother.
like you rightly said sir, screeding is not a requirement, especially if the person intends to use emulsion or even matte emulsion so far the wall is well plastered.
But all paints look better on a screeded wall

twinskenny:
probably surface wire

Even with surface wiring 100k can't be enough unless the electrician use 1.5mm CHINA flat cable for socket and lighting. There are other materials that goes with flat cable. junction box, clip, distribution, lampholder, distribution etc....

mufutau55:


Answers:
1. Yes it's a process after regular plastering...

2. It makes the wall real smooth & levelled and sealed cracks on wall, and when done well will feel glossy like glass when touched, also helps using less paints.
Same like the POP screeding but using pure cement and some other bonding chemicals.

Hajji M.

Very well explained.

gbadexy:

my able chairman!
The wall was well plastered and smooth but the screeding made it much more smoother.
like you rightly said sir, screeding is not a requirement, especially if the person intends to use emulsion or even matte emulsion so far the wall is well plastered.
But all paints look better on a screeded wall

Very clear. A picture of wall screeding in progress. I have an observation, cement brands has something to add to screeding. If you are using Dangote cement to screed, your work will tend to be of a lighter shade of grey when completed, but if you are using Unicem, Bua or Ibeto, the work looks a darker shade of grey.

spyder880:


Very well explained.



Very clear. A picture of wall screeding in progress. I have an observation, cement brands has something to add to screeding. If you are using Dangote cement to screed, your work will tend to be of a lighter shade of grey when completed, but if you are using Unicem, Bua or Ibeto, the work looks a darker shade of grey.

I'm loving the smoothness of that wall already!
lighter shade of grey would present a better background for paint than darker shades.

spyder880:


Very well explained.



Very clear. A picture of wall screeding in progress. I have an observation, cement brands has something to add to screeding. If you are using Dangote cement to screed, your work will tend to be of a lighter shade of grey when completed, but if you are using Unicem, Bua or Ibeto, the work looks a darker shade of grey.

Yeah...
Not even only in screeding, BUA cement always brings out darker outcome than dangote in block making & concrete works...Reason why some people believe it to be of a better quality than dangote.

gbadexy:

my able chairman!
The wall was well plastered and smooth but the screeding made it much more smoother.
like you rightly said sir, screeding is not a requirement, especially if the person intends to use emulsion or even matte emulsion so far the wall is well plastered.
But all paints look better on a screeded wall

U will make a good lecturer sir!

Rubbiish:

U will make a good lecturer sir!

Thank you for the kind words sir.

spyder880:


Very well explained.



Very clear. A picture of wall screeding in progress. I have an observation, cement brands has something to add to screeding. If you are using Dangote cement to screed, your work will tend to be of a lighter shade of grey when completed, but if you are using Unicem, Bua or Ibeto, the work looks a darker shade of grey.

why make that building matured and simple ?

The difference between a screeded portion of a wall and a portion yet to be screeded.

If a property owner can afford to screed, it's a sin not to. The building itself looks happy .
minor imperfections are covered up to give a smooth finish that is a pleasure to look at.

Rubbiish:

Yeah...
Not even only in screeding, BUA cement always brings out darker outcome than dangote in block making & concrete works...Reason why some people believe it to be of a better quality than dangote.

Dangote remains the best cement for building.

This one pass University! See me learning this weekend ... thanks to all the 'lecturers' in the house.

Dremca:
Dangote remains the best cement for building.

Any experience with Sokoto cement? They have a monopoly in the NW area.

Still talking screeding, some people complain to me that screeded portions of a wall can peel off when left unpainted for long period of time. I think this is as a result of rain water splashing on the particular section of the wall. I have noticed that the sections peel occur are more open and suffer some direct rain impact and splashes from other roofs. Can this be as a result of the type of bonding gum used or light application, or even poor workmanship?

Gbadexy, what do you think?

Dremca:
Dangote remains the best cement for building.

Why do u say so sir?
I think this issue is still open to debate.
It has not really been ascertained which is best, some may say A cement is good for concrete works, B cement for block work & so on....But no outweighing reason so far why one should be the best. I will say dangote is widely accepted & used because of its availability, not necessarily because it is the best.

spyder880:
Still talking screeding, some people complain to me that screeded portions of a wall can peel off when left unpainted for long period of time. I think this is as a result of rain water splashing on the particular section of the wall. I have noticed that the sections peel occur are more open and suffer some direct rain impact and splashes from other roofs. Can this be as a result of the type of bonding gum used or light application, or even poor workmanship?

Gbadexy, what do you think?

I think it is a function of the bonding materials ( adhesive glue). Since this glue looses its binding property under the influence of constant water

spyder880:
Still talking screeding, some people complain to me that screeded portions of a wall can peel off when left unpainted for long period of time. I think this is as a result of rain water splashing on the particular section of the wall. I have noticed that the sections peel occur are more open and suffer some direct rain impact and splashes from other roofs. Can this be as a result of the type of bonding gum used or light application, or even poor workmanship?

Gbadexy, what do you think?

screeding is not generally meant to be left unpainted. If left unpainted, weathering process makes it weak and extra porous thereby consuming more paint.
I think the binder used in this particular picture isn't sufficient though.
If sufficient binder was used, the screeding would be no different from plaster paints like textcoat and flexcoat.
The plaster also should be a bit wet to be able to stick and bond properly to the wall during application.
If sufficient binder was used, it would be able to withstand slight movements due to better flexibility and won't crack or peel easily.