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Re: Sultan’s Misguided Comments On Adamawa Clashes Increasing Tension — Dami Mamza by konoplyanka: 10:39am On Dec 03, 2017
malware:


Let's talk sensibly. What do you think makes Sultan a terrorist, going by the latest definition of the word "terrorist"? No insult please.

He threatened reprisal attack on those that attacked fulani. That's hate peach and an act of terrorism.
Re: Sultan’s Misguided Comments On Adamawa Clashes Increasing Tension — Dami Mamza by Nobody: 10:50am On Dec 03, 2017
gratiaeo:
Dr. Stephen Dami Mamza, The Catholic Bishop of Yola Diocese, Dr. Stephen Dami Mamza, who is also the Chairman of the Adamawa State chapter of the Christian Association of Nigeria, tells HINDI LIVINUS that the Sultan of Sokoto is creating tension in the state with his comments on the Numan clashes


Do you agree that the recent bloody clash in Numan was a declaration ofwar against the Muslims?


As a Catholic Bishop and Chairman of the Christian Association of Nigeria, I will condemn all kinds of killings because Christianity does not approve the deliberate taking of innocent lives. However, it is wrong for people to conclude, without waiting for the release of the report of investigations being carried out by security agencies, and declare that the Muslims were the target. Everybody in Adamawa State knowsthat what happened in three or four villages in Numan, where people were killed, had nothing to do with religion. I am sure many Muslims will concur with me that it is another in the series of clashes that are really very common here between farmers and herdsmen. We have been experiencing it for over a decade now. It is not unusual for a particular group to suffer more casualties than another when such clashes occur. In this case, I don’t think there’s any religious intention in the whole thing.

What is your view on the Sultan of Sokoto’s statement condemning the killing of Fulani in the Numan area of the state?

I appreciate the Sultan for condemning the incident but I will disagree with him for not coming out with similar condemnation when certain groups of tribes are at the receiving end. The killing in Numan did not only affect a particular tribe, some people from other tribes were also killed in the process. As religious leaders, we should be prepared at all times, to condemn any form of bloody attacks whether the victims are adherents of our religion or not. The Holy Bible for instance, forbids all forms of killings.

But Sultan warned that the Fulani’s patience and silence should not be misconstrued for weakness!I think the comment of the Sultan has actually increased the tension here in Adamawa State. A highly-placed religious leader like him is not expected to make such a misguided statement, because this is not the first time that we would experience killings in the state. As a religious and spiritual leader, what I will expect of him is to condemn all forms of killings and not to single out this incident because the Fulani are involved or that some of them are victims. He is not the leader of the Fulani alone; he’s the leader of all Muslims. So he should not be seen as a sectional leader. That statement should have come from the leader of the Fulani and not fromthe Sultan because he is a Muslim leader. This crisis has no religious connotation; so, he shouldn’t have spoken in the tone he did as if he were speaking on behalf of the Fulani.

Some people also considered his statement as a threat to peace?

That’s why I said that his commentshave actually heightened the tension in Numan and several other local government areas in the state. Why did he single out Numan? We have had so many killings in the past in the state, and across the country, involving Fulani herdsmen. So, for him to have singled out the clashes in Numan, and say the killing of Fulani should not go unpunished, is worrisome. I did not expect that kind of comments from a religious leader like the Sultan of Sokoto, if he actually said so because I learnt that somebody spoke on his behalf. And I don’t know whether it was his script that was read.

Don’t you think that the Sultan’s statement may be as a result of the high number of casualties recorded during the Numan clashes?

Let us go back to what happened in 2016 and this year, 2017, which makes it even baffling that the Sultan singled out this particular incident for condemnation. On the 24th of January, 2016, in Koh village, Girei, more than 80 persons were killed, while many houses were burnt. Bags of grains were destroyed and several other persons, who got missing, had yet to be found. But I didn’t hear a single comment from the Sultan of Sokoto then.

Also, 30 people were killed in Kodomun between 29th of July and 1st of August last year. Again, I never heard any comment from the Sultan. Even, on the 7th of January this year, in a place called Kwayine, five gallant policemen were murdered. All the killings were actually carried out by herdsmen.

Is it now that the Sultan is now aware that there were killings taking place in Adamawa?

The Sultan should be a bridge builder for the different religions and ethnic nationalities in the country. It is not in the interest of peace for us to single out a particular incident for condemnation. We shouldn’t create the impression that there are inferior and superior killings. Every murdered soul is important, whether he is a Fulani or a farmer. The life of a Fulani is not superior to that of a Bachama, a Hausa, Yoruba or Igbo. Life is sacred and every soul is very important.

You once blamed the government for doing nothing to stop the frequent clashes between farmers and herdsmen in the state. Has your position changed now?

I have not changed my position on the issue. I suggested the setting up of a judicial panel to investigate the previous clashes while the report should be made public and that government should punish all those responsible for the wicked acts. I am not happy that the reportsof the investigations carried out on similar incidents in the past by administrative panels were not made public and the government did not act on them.If the government had taken its responsibilities seriously when such incidences occurred and those responsible were punished, similar ones will not happen.

Do you think that the government will accept your advice this time round and set up a judicial panel?


The government must ensure that whatever committee that would be set up to investigate the Numan clashes should be objective. It should not include people who are already expressing biased opinions on the incident; otherwise, we won’tget any result from it.

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Re: Sultan’s Misguided Comments On Adamawa Clashes Increasing Tension — Dami Mamza by malware: 10:57am On Dec 03, 2017
konoplyanka:


He threatened reprisal attack on those that attacked fulani. That's hate peach and an act of terrorism.

1. Between the person who launch an annihilation attack and he who threatens reprisal, who's supposed to be termed a terrorist?

2. Can you give me a link in which he threatened reprisal?
Re: Sultan’s Misguided Comments On Adamawa Clashes Increasing Tension — Dami Mamza by ehinmowo: 10:59am On Dec 03, 2017
This Sultan needs to be seriously cautioned by d authorities. How can you claim to be a leader and be chronically biased. Fulani herdsmen has been decleared as international terrorist group, het he said nothing. They have killed tens of thousands across the land, nobody was arrested.

I think we should solve Nigeria problem ones and for all.


It is a big shame to hear such a thing from the Sultan.
Re: Sultan’s Misguided Comments On Adamawa Clashes Increasing Tension — Dami Mamza by newoffer: 10:59am On Dec 03, 2017
How did we make a racist n a religion fanatics a sultan? Our race is suffering from lack of sensible leaders

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Re: Sultan’s Misguided Comments On Adamawa Clashes Increasing Tension — Dami Mamza by ozisezuo: 11:04am On Dec 03, 2017
I am not surprise because bible says:
1 Samuel 15:3 New International Version (NIV) Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’” Footnotes: a. 1 Samuel 15:3 The Hebrew term refers to the irrevocable giving over of things or persons to the LORD, often by totally destroying them; also in verses 8, 9, 15, 18, 20 and 21.
Re: Sultan’s Misguided Comments On Adamawa Clashes Increasing Tension — Dami Mamza by Princedaud: 11:06am On Dec 03, 2017
Yes every dick and harry is now talking bcz it is the SULTAN.

WHERE were u guyz when when the CAN is promoting hate speechs
WHERE were u guyz when the socalled CAN was implicated in a corrruption scandal

U guyz are just bunch of hypocrates and the shameless can is not helping matters either. Shame on u all.
Re: Sultan’s Misguided Comments On Adamawa Clashes Increasing Tension — Dami Mamza by Pataricatering(f): 11:18am On Dec 03, 2017
Now that is Christians killing Fulani , it
Is not religious! It is not christianization agenda ? Hypocrites!
Re: Sultan’s Misguided Comments On Adamawa Clashes Increasing Tension — Dami Mamza by donbenie(m): 11:19am On Dec 03, 2017
ItzLaw:

Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. Matthew 10:34
By their fruits we shall know them..shouting Religion Of Piss at every opportunity does not negate the reality on the ground by the PISSFULL RELIGION..
Re: Sultan’s Misguided Comments On Adamawa Clashes Increasing Tension — Dami Mamza by lagosrd: 11:20am On Dec 03, 2017
Very very misguided statement indeed. They just talk anyhow without recourse to the implications. This country belongs to everyone and not some sets of people. Fulani people used to be the most peaceful sets of people because they don't disturb other people and we're well organised and settled in their hamlets. But their deliberate harbouring of bororo people from niger and Chad is a source of concerning a time bomb but they seems not to realise it until it consumes them most. The recklessness and voracity at which the emir of Kano delivered that speech I highly commendable. Don't set bad precedence and allow ethnic bigotry to becloud your sense of reasoning. Sooner than imagined the whole tribes in the Country will see them as treat just due to unguarded reckless speeches.
Re: Sultan’s Misguided Comments On Adamawa Clashes Increasing Tension — Dami Mamza by donbenie(m): 11:22am On Dec 03, 2017
Pataricatering:
Now that is Christians killing Fulani , it
Is not religious! It is not christianization agenda ? Hypocrites!
And where was the Sultan when it was the other way around,guess he was busy chewing Gworo...#HYPOCRITE
Re: Sultan’s Misguided Comments On Adamawa Clashes Increasing Tension — Dami Mamza by Fatherly: 11:23am On Dec 03, 2017
We need to prepare for WAR...
But I am afraid a lot of christians will die.because our pastors through there teaching have turn a lot Christian members to cowards.
Go and read your bible about the Israeli, they have been fighting war since the days of Adam and eve.

LISTEN!
GOD will not come down to fight for Christians.
4 million Jews were massacred by the Germany's army heaven did not fall.

YOU!
have you handle a Gun?
Have you watched a man died before?
Can you stand the sight of blood?
Or a graphic images of a dead man?

No country,community or individuals seek out for war But they are always be prepared for it.

In a sane environment the statement of the sultan is an act of war punishable by death.
Re: Sultan’s Misguided Comments On Adamawa Clashes Increasing Tension — Dami Mamza by konoplyanka: 11:23am On Dec 03, 2017
malware:


1. Between the person who launch an annihilation attack and he who threatens reprisal, who's supposed to be termed a terrorist?

2. Can you give me a link in which he threatened reprisal?

1. A religious leader should condemn attacks not calling for reprisal. By calling for reprisal, does he mean that the foolanis should also be killed in Enugu, Benue, Ekiti, Plateau and all the states that foolanis have been wrecking havock?

2. search the internet yourself if your are not being dishonest and you will find the news. This interview is a response to that comment.

ok. here it is.

http://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/250648-adamawa-attack-sultan-talks-tough-warns-killing-fulanis.html

the stupid sultan should be arrested.
Re: Sultan’s Misguided Comments On Adamawa Clashes Increasing Tension — Dami Mamza by Nobody: 11:26am On Dec 03, 2017
The sultans comment I think was based on the high killings of a particular tribe n religion which was deliberate.May be he is trying to let the killers know that, they shud not repeat such in other not to worsen the situation.I also expect the CAN leader to condemn the killings and not to deviate from the main issue and be blaming the sultan
Re: Sultan’s Misguided Comments On Adamawa Clashes Increasing Tension — Dami Mamza by konoplyanka: 11:28am On Dec 03, 2017
danjumakolo:
The sultans comment I think was based on the high killings of a particular tribe n religion which was deliberate.May be he is trying to let the killers know that, they shud not repeat such in other not to worsen the situation.I also expect the CAN leader to condemn the killings and not to deviate from the main issue and be blaming the sultan

foolanis have been killing in different parts of the country and the idiotic sultan never utter a word. he should be arrested.
Re: Sultan’s Misguided Comments On Adamawa Clashes Increasing Tension — Dami Mamza by Adebowale89(m): 11:29am On Dec 03, 2017
malware:

Last warning


or else you will bomb yourself as usual?


see me look at you

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Re: Sultan’s Misguided Comments On Adamawa Clashes Increasing Tension — Dami Mamza by smileyoo: 11:43am On Dec 03, 2017
am not sure the sultan made such comments, but if he did, then its sad. but the basic point is his muteness in the face of naked injustice like bubu. he saw other people been slaugthered in larger numbers, yet he kept quite. now he is allegedly to be talking because his people 're the victims, he ought to 've continued to be mute as well. our leaders must learn to rule with justice, because in any nation where injustice 're allowed to prevail, no one is actually safe, not even the leaders.
Re: Sultan’s Misguided Comments On Adamawa Clashes Increasing Tension — Dami Mamza by DelNifty(m): 12:14pm On Dec 03, 2017
gurunlocker:
Religion is creating real problem in this country. I'm afraid this country can't grow more than this if we continue this way.
especially in the north, if they don't change their way of life things won't get better over there. Religion is the major problem of the north.
Re: Sultan’s Misguided Comments On Adamawa Clashes Increasing Tension — Dami Mamza by malware: 12:20pm On Dec 03, 2017
Adebowale89:




or else you will bomb yourself as usual?



see me look at you

Nope, I would bomb you instead.

You're exhibiting scary face already, are you scared

Re: Sultan’s Misguided Comments On Adamawa Clashes Increasing Tension — Dami Mamza by lamalang(m): 12:28pm On Dec 03, 2017
The sultan is a dushbag for saying that
Re: Sultan’s Misguided Comments On Adamawa Clashes Increasing Tension — Dami Mamza by malware: 12:29pm On Dec 03, 2017
konoplyanka:


1. A religious leader should condemn attacks not calling for reprisal. By calling for reprisal, does he mean that the foolanis should also be killed in Enugu, Benue, Ekiti, Plateau and all the states that foolanis have been wrecking havock?

2. search the internet yourself if your are not being dishonest and you will find the news. This interview is a response to that comment.

ok. here it is.

http://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/250648-adamawa-attack-sultan-talks-tough-warns-killing-fulanis.html

the stupid sultan should be arrested.


All religious leaders in the country are guilty of that offence.

Remember the controversial kill on sight order akporstle Suleiman gave to his church members to kill any Fulani man sighted around his church, even without provocation?

If I can remember very well, other Christian leaders spoke in his support.... So my friend, leave matter for Mathias jare undecided
Re: Sultan’s Misguided Comments On Adamawa Clashes Increasing Tension — Dami Mamza by SouthEastFacts: 12:44pm On Dec 03, 2017
ItzLaw:

Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. Matthew 10:34
Jesus was prophesying about the future prosecution his adherents will face globally as a result of the message he was bringing to redeem man's lost soul.
Re: Sultan’s Misguided Comments On Adamawa Clashes Increasing Tension — Dami Mamza by Lovisious(m): 12:46pm On Dec 03, 2017
MasViews:
Oga bishop behave yourself, who the fvck are you to tell the Sultan how to talk? Niggas always playing the victim card.


Better respect yourself and keep your mouth shut.
u r really sick...dz z d kind of statement u r to condemn if it we're ur child DAT said so
Re: Sultan’s Misguided Comments On Adamawa Clashes Increasing Tension — Dami Mamza by tishbite41(m): 1:06pm On Dec 03, 2017
neva knew the Catholics had some sensible pple. well done Bishop. a
God bless you for saying the truth. bt I thought Catholics pulled out from CAN?
Re: Sultan’s Misguided Comments On Adamawa Clashes Increasing Tension — Dami Mamza by tishbite41(m): 1:07pm On Dec 03, 2017
SouthEastFacts:

Jesus was prophesying about the future prosecution his adherents will face globally as a result of the message he was bringing to redeem man's lost soul.
don't mind dat person
Re: Sultan’s Misguided Comments On Adamawa Clashes Increasing Tension — Dami Mamza by chairman010: 1:09pm On Dec 03, 2017
ItzLaw:

Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. Matthew 10:34
bros
the sword that Jesus was talking about here is the word of God as written in eph.6:17
this happens when people separate because of the word of God, try to understand before mischievousness

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Re: Sultan’s Misguided Comments On Adamawa Clashes Increasing Tension — Dami Mamza by SouthEastFacts: 1:09pm On Dec 03, 2017
tishbite41:
don't mind dat person
He is a Muslim. Most of them are misinformed.
Re: Sultan’s Misguided Comments On Adamawa Clashes Increasing Tension — Dami Mamza by Julivas(m): 1:20pm On Dec 03, 2017
kay29000:
From Boko Haram, to Fulani Herdsmen, to cattle thieves... When will all the killings in the North end?
I tire o, as much as some of my good and trusted friends are Muslim, why are innocent killings and needless war associated with them.

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Re: Sultan’s Misguided Comments On Adamawa Clashes Increasing Tension — Dami Mamza by kay29000(m): 1:31pm On Dec 03, 2017
Julivas:

I tire o, as much as some of my good and trusted friends are Muslim, why are innocent killings and needless war associated with them.

I wonder too.

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Re: Sultan’s Misguided Comments On Adamawa Clashes Increasing Tension — Dami Mamza by miketayo(m): 1:36pm On Dec 03, 2017
ItzLaw:

Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. Matthew 10:34

Jesus fights his battles doesn't need terrorists to do that ... Hence we leave everything to God

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