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BluntBoy:
I watch football and I recognize Messi's greatness. But how great is Messi without his team mates? The idea of greatest can work in an individual sport like boxing because it is one man executing the performances all by himself. His stats are all independent of assists on the canvas. But football is a team sport and every department has players that are the greatest in their own rights. When you pick up a Messi and regard him as the best player based on stats exclusive to the striking department and by extension the midfield, you are being unfair to defenders and goalkeepers whose stats are totally different from that of midfielders and strikers.

Supposing Messi scored 40 goals in a season and wins the UEFA and perhaps has a Buffon in his team who made 180 saves and 20 clean sheets, placing Messi ahead of Buffon would not only be unfair but predictable and boring. FIFA and other footballing bodies have neglected stats for goalkeepers in favour of those for midfielders and strikers and that is why the awards have now become a contest between strikers and midfielders.

I repeat, football is a team sport. Even if you scream that Messi is more than a striker, it does not mean that Messi can stand as a team. There are people in the team who are doing harder jobs in the team but whose efforts go unnoticed because all eyes are on the strikers to get the goals. We forget those who ensure that the team does not concede (the goalkeepers), those who ensure that the 18 is well protected (the defenders) and those who break up attacks (defensive midfielders). Remember Makalele. He was an engine room during his playing days in Chelsea but concentrations were always on the strikers. I think FIFA and the other footballing bodies should do something about this. Football is a team sport and not an individual sport. If they want to give individual awards, they should spread it around the departments.

my point is that Messi can fit into almost every position on pitch and still produce great results....this makes him a valuable team player by you own logic...

ClintonNzedimma:
my point is that Messi can fit into almost every position on pitch and still produce great results....this makes him a valuable team player by you own logic...

But not the best player. That is my argument. That he can fit into every position does not mean that he can play better than the best in those departments.

For instance, no matter how good Messi is, he doesn't come close to Makelele in greatness as far as defensive midfield is concerned.

asunmoGGMU:
Baba, leave that thing. This award is often by trophy and being influential in the process. CR7 only woke up to limelight in second round of UCL last season.
and he won the biggest trophy in Europe for them. That boosted his chances. Individually, Messi did better but no trophy to back it.

A lot of things are considered when giving the award. Not just trophy or performance. The marketability is also important. Check the years Messi won it, there are years he had big endorsement with multinationals. The tax case did not help his case. Ronaldo contributions to Portugal winning Europe games was minimal. In fact, his contributions was almost non existence

Awoo88:
A lot of things are considered when giving the award. Not just trophy or performance. The marketability is also important. Check the years Messi won it, there are years he had big endorsement with multinationals. The tax case did not help his case. Ronaldo contributions to Portugal winning Europe games was minimal. In fact, his contributions was almost non existence

Your last two sentences were farce. He contributed 'greatly' to Portugal's success. His goals booked them a second round berth. He scored a brace to put them in one of the best losers positions. Also, did you see the Wales-Portugal game at the Euro? The way you guys water down his achievements is giving you away as a sentimental analysts.

Lastly, that your endorsement indices is a figment of your imagination. In fact, it is laughable.

asunmoGGMU:
Your last two sentences were farce. He contributed 'greatly' to Portugal's success. His goals booked them a second round berth. He scored a brace to put them in one of the best losers positions. Also, did you see the Wales-Portugal game at the Euro? The way you guys water down his achievements is giving you away as a sentimental analysts.

Lastly, that your endorsement indices is a figment of your imagination. In fact, it is laughable.

I said "go check the year Messi won it". How can that be figment of imagination Something that is verifiable ?? Get the year Figo was denied in favor of Zidane. Marketability play a key role my friend. All the winners of this award were the face of football during the time they won it. From that German goal keeper to that Italian defender. Hard core football fan criticised the choices but business wise, those guys at that time were it. Football is the biggest industry in world and money play a very vital role. It is not a farce or imagination but cool had fact.

Awoo88:
I said "go check the year Messi won it". How can that be figment of imagination Something that is verifiable ?? Get the year Figo was denied in favor of Zidane. Marketability play a key role my friend. All the winners of this award were the face of football during the time they won it. From that German goal keeper to that Italian defender. Hard core football fan criticised the choices but business wise, those guys at that time were it. Football is the biggest industry in world and money play a very vital role. It is not a farce or imagination but cool had fact.

Man, it is by vote. And no one will vote for an uninfluential footballer. You can't be influential by not being deciding on big days. Connect the dots. Stop this joke.

asunmoGGMU:
Man, it is by vote. And no one will vote for an uninfluential footballer. You can't be influential by not being deciding on big days. Connect the dots. Stop this joke.

What joke So you don't know those that voted are influenced one way or another To see how big business runs football, check the last world. The players were practically ban from using any other headphone that is not Samsung. If there were to be a vote involving one player Samsung is interested in that period , what do u think will happen There are teams you play for and you are not allowed to wear any brand you like save the official brand of the club. Okocha lost millions of endorsement because reebok he was not allowed to wear anything else but reebok. How did you think Okocha will vote if reebok interested player is lined up??

asunmoGGMU:
Man, it is by vote. And no one will vote for an uninfluential footballer. You can't be influential by not being deciding on big days. Connect the dots. Stop this joke.

What joke So you don't know those that voted are influenced one way or another To see how big business runs football, check the last world. The players were practically ban from using any other headphone that is not Samsung. If there were to be a vote involving one player Samsung is interested in that period , what do u think will happen There are teams you play for and you are not allowed to wear any brand you like save the official brand of the club. Okocha lost millions of endorsement because reebok he was not allowed to wear anything else but reebok. How did you think Okocha will vote if reebok interested player is lined up?? Everybody expected Figo to win from sportswriters to national team coach managers including fellow footballers. Instead Zidane won. What do you think happened You should be the one connecting the dot.

BluntBoy:
But not the best player. That is my argument. That he can fit into every position does not mean that he can play better than the best in those departments.

For instance, no matter how good Messi is, he doesn't come close to Makelele in greatness as far as defensive midfield is concerned.

okay...but u do admit Messi can orchestrate play, make killer passes, dribble and score....do you agree?

ClintonNzedimma:
okay...but u do admit Messi can orchestrate play, make killer passes, dribble and score....do you agree?

Of course, I know that.

BluntBoy:
Of course, I know that.

set aside goals, mention d best passers, dribblers and playmakers in d world today

ClintonNzedimma:
set aside goals, mention d best passers, dribblers and playmakers in d world today

You are not getting my point.

Perhaps, if you can answer this question, you will get my point.

The question is: How is Messi a better footballer than Buffon?

BluntBoy:
You are not getting my point.
Perhaps, if you can answer this question, you will get my point.
The question is: How is Messi a better footballer than Buffon?

am arguing from a Messi vs Hazard without goals perspective

watch real madrid thrash sevilla 5 - 0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25n6Qw3uzSw

Awoo88:
A lot of things are considered when giving the award. Not just trophy or performance. The marketability is also important. Check the years Messi won it, there are years he had big endorsement with multinationals. The tax case did not help his case. Ronaldo contributions to Portugal winning Europe games was minimal. In fact, his contributions was almost non existence

He scored almost 9 important goals for Portugal . we are talking of being influential for ur team .supporting ,advising and scoring . why do u think people were crying wen he left due to injury . why do France give him such tackle because Hus presence alone is powerful for his country. Do u rember anytime Nigeria is playing and we have Okacha we are confidence some how .even presently when we have Mikel we relax a little . y is it that Portugal couldn't attack until when Ronaldo appeared .so its part of what makes him who he is besides every player gets a good and bad year .Ronaldo is enjoying his best year stop being jealous . I appreciate Messi as in individual player but the award is for who is d best for the year and it supersede all ur argument .appreciate football and stop being bias, am not supporting Ronaldo or Messi am just dropping d facts . Ronaldo did better than Messi and Neymar last Season when it comes to functional requirements of a football player