₦airaland Forum

tdayof:
Any jet can shoot down a superior fighter in my opinion. Imagine a super Tucano with AAM. If the Tucano is able to stay in a right position ( at the back of a SU-35) and then fires and AAM, it's obviously a kill for the Tucano.


In as much as some parameters are being fulfilled, it's possible.

soooo many things is wrong with this statement.


it doesn't obey the law of physics at all

bidexiii:
One on one the probability of an F7 shooting down a Mig29 is very, very slim.


4F-7 on one Mig29.......

And what if two, three or more Mig's attacks from different direction, what will the airforce do with limited interceptors . Don't forget we av only six air worthy FN-7 . So u attack for F7 just to bring down a Mig29. That would result to a collateral lost.

The bottom line is that we don't av what it takes to defend our air space.

My point is against Chad's mig-29. We're enough to defend against our own neighbors. Except if the big guys like France will be interfering.

lionel4power:
soooo many things is wrong with this statement.


it doesn't obey the law of physics at all

What's the law of physics to be obeyed in there? You fire an AAM at an aircraft from behind? What will happen? Miss it target?

bidexiii:
One on one the probability of an F7 shooting down a Mig29 is very, very slim.


4F-7 on one Mig29.......

And what if two, three or more Mig's attacks from different direction, what will the airforce do with limited interceptors . Don't forget we av only six air worthy FN-7 . So u attack for F7 just to bring down a Mig29. That would result to a collateral lost.

The bottom line is that we don't av what it takes to defend our air space.

Lol...U might be obsessed with Nigeria but ur assertion is way out of line and out of ignorance. ...

tdayof:
My point is against Chad's mig-29. We're enough to defend against our own neighbors. Except if the big guys like France will be interfering.

So what's wrong with the Chad's Mig's.

Let's not underrate any attack, 10-15 years ago if they ever tEllis me Nigeria will be fighting one of worlds dangerous and deadliest terrorist, I would deny it.


There are a lot of tension going on with our land borders with Cameroon and Chad. AND NEVER , EVER Under estimate the capabilities of your enemy. And even when they av superior air assets over you.

krattoss:
Lol...U might be obsessed with Nigeria but ur assertion is way out of line and out of ignorance. ...

Please expantiate and let's see your facts and reason. ........

Adminisher:
I need to know why you guys think it is wise to share this kind of info with foreigners?. Please let us stick to sharing only open source knowledge with non Nigerians. Even for open sourced knowledge there are updates that you use a clear risk matrix within your mind to determine whether to share or not.

See as you don make me laff scatter body here. Na which "classified" info una dey treat? Even countries wey get better ADS sef , people still know the locations. Abi you think saw when you turn on ya radar, other receivers don't "see" and pinpoint it?

...second base o jare !....

homerac7:
See as you don make me laff scatter body here. Na which "classified" info una dey treat? Even countries wey get better ADS sef , people still know the locations. Abi you think saw when you turn on ya radar, other receivers don't "see" and pinpoint it?

...second base o jare !....

I just choose not to reply, when people make such comments.....

Nigerian media really needs extensive training on journalism for the next 10 years to catch up with the rest of the world.
http://thenationonlineng.net/army-denies-suicide-bomb-attack-idps-camp-ambush-soldiers/

bidexiii:
Honesty I av not taken the P35 and thin shield radar into consideration. Thanks for refreshing our memories.

But the the question is how integrated are these hard ware to extend our airspace-eye reach.

I assure you the NAF is doing its best to integrate all

nemesis4u:
what if i fly out of pantsir engagement range

most effective IADS operates with multi layered coverage

u will need short range medium range and long range sam for a effective IADS

hence I said stop gap na

what I was trying to bring out is "dissuasion"

nemesis4u:
arent these radars installed in NAF airbases ?

They are

lionel4power:
IFF is to identify allied MILITARY aircraft. What about non-hostiles like civilian airliner or just hobbyist light aircraft with unknown intentions? you can't really know all this from the ground using radar technology alone.

SAMS are mostly used as a 'force multiplier' and as a PSYOP as you rightly said.

a SAM can't really substitute manned aircraft. The US tried it, it failed flat

Now we are going in circles. You never mentioned Civil craft. if that comes to the picture those air traffic control of NAMA will hail the craft. If it behaves irrational then alarms bell rings

lionel4power:
Bros... technically its an interceptor. (According to ) it should be able to hold its own against the MiGs, if the conditions are right.

If this is sarcasm you are doing poorly

Frumentum:
Say that again

Adminisher:
I need to know why you guys think it is wise to share this kind of info with foreigners?. Please let us stick to sharing only open source knowledge with non Nigerians. Even for open sourced knowledge there are updates that you use a clear risk matrix within your mind to determine whether to share or not.

What is this again

Odunayaw:
hence I said stop gap na

what I was trying to bring out is "dissuasion"

pantsir will be a good asset for protection of mobile army columns

CAS aircrafts will have to fly low for engaging ground targets and therefor vulnerable to pantsir

bidexiii:
So what's wrong with the Chad's Mig's.

Let's not underrate any attack, 10-15 years ago if they ever tEllis me Nigeria will be fighting one of worlds dangerous and deadliest terrorist, I would deny it.


There are a lot of tension going on with our land borders with Cameroon and Chad. AND NEVER , EVER Under estimate the capabilities of your enemy. And even when they av superior air assets over you.

Meh, Anyone that's conversant with our history would have foreseen armed insurrection. And let's not praise boko. sophisticated ? no but deadly all the same

But then, where did you hear that only 6 F-7s are operational

lionel4power:
I wouldn't know how the Nigerian Air Force would fare in an air combat. flying GCI would work if we had solid ground based air surveillance assets. right now, aerial warfare is not our strong suits.

You know our "ground based air surveillance assets" are not solid how?

Oh wondrous Tuesday

Odunayaw:
What is this again

nemesis4u:
pantsir will be a good asset for protection of mobile army columns

CAS aircrafts will have to fly low for engaging ground targets and therefor vulnerable to pantsir

Now couple this to my statement that the Chadians would have to fly low to poke a hole

Ibrahimanees:
Nigerian media really needs extensive training on journalism for the next 10 years to catch up with the rest of the world.
http://thenationonlineng.net/army-denies-suicide-bomb-attack-idps-camp-ambush-soldiers/

media sensationalism. Ah, ulcers *face palm*

Odunayaw:
Now couple this to my statement that the Chadians would have to fly low to poke a hole

it aint that simple , if we war game it (theoretically)

multiple scenarios will come up

some of which will make pantsir not effective

eg. why will the enemy ingress low over the sector covered by pantsir ? why not avoid it / bypass it /out range it

eg. if enemy is hell bent on press home his attack inspite of presence of pantsir well within the engagement range then it will have to pay the price.

there will always be pros and cons

nemesis4u:
it aint that simple , if we war game it (theoretically)

multiple scenarios will come up

some of which will make pantsir not effective

eg. why will the enemy ingress low over the sector covered by pantsir ? why not avoid it / bypass it /out range it

there will always be pros and cons

There is radar system facing the Chadian corridor. AFAIK only wanting place is north west

bidexiii:
So what's wrong with the Chad's Mig's.

Let's not underrate any attack, 10-15 years ago if they ever tEllis me Nigeria will be fighting one of worlds dangerous and deadliest terrorist, I would deny it.


There are a lot of tension going on with our land borders with Cameroon and Chad. AND NEVER , EVER Under estimate the capabilities of your enemy. And even when they av superior air assets over you.

Chad has a single Mig -29. That's the problem.

Odunayaw:
Meh, Anyone that's conversant with our history would have foreseen armed insurrection. And let's not praise boko. sophisticated ? no but deadly all the same

But then, where did you hear that only 6 F-7s are operational

The COAS once said it in one of the reactivation of Ireland assets.

Like two days he said by January NAF will Have five attack helicopters...

tdayof:
Chad has a single Mig -29. That's the problem.

One air worthy MiG29.

Any way I found that difficult to believe and at the same time I can't argue that.....

I hope you understand two MiG-29 can and will take on and shoot down six F-7 N on a good day. The F-7N is built to be a high speed interceptor, which means basically fly high, fly fast. It's not particularly a good dog fighter. The MiG-29 was built to be an air superiority dog fighter. It has three D thrust vectoring, bettor radar, electronic hammers and more importantly can execute tight manoeuvres even at stall speed. The F-7 can do no such. In a dog fight it will always overshoot, the MiGs and will always have a MiG 29 behind it. The MiG is faster, can fly higher and can shoot down those Chinese copies from a low angle of attack.

tdayof:
Chad has a single Mig -29. That's the problem.

you have been saying this for a long time now.... but the reality is that when the Chadian air force was hit by a storm only one mig -29 was SLIGHTLY DAMAGED according to media reports.


the fate of the other jets are currently unknown. that doesn't mean that they were destroyed.

Odunayaw:
There is radar system facing the Chadian corridor. AFAIK only wanting place is north west

why dont u guys buy man portable low level radar , these r easily transpotable and can be set up anywhere and even mounted on vehicles

these cost very little and mounted on hills/mountains their coverage is considerable

many other international vendors r also there

SSBN:
I hope you understand two MiG-29 can and will take on and shoot down six F-7 N on a good day. The F-7N is built to be a high speed interceptor, which means basically fly high, fly fast. It's not particularly a good dog fighter. The MiG-29 was built to be an air superiority dog fighter. It has three D thrust vectoring, bettor radar, electronic hammers and more importantly can execute tight manoeuvres even at stall speed. The F-7 can do no such. In a dog fight it will always overshoot, the MiGs and will always have a MiG 29 behind it. The MiG is faster, can fly higher and can shoot down those Chinese copies from a low angle of attack.

no TVC

Odunayaw:
You know our "ground based air surveillance assets" are not solid how?

Oh wondrous Tuesday

please read and comprehend. I was referring to a general term and not pointing to the Nigerian Air Force.

CGI works well in ANY country when there is a solid ground support infrastructure.

thank you.