₦airaland Forum

mikolo80:
socialism makes few rich. Capitalism makes majority rich so long as you're not lazy

No one must be richer than the King.

Stop calling collective economy socialism. A self control and powerful society doesn't encourage a free meal such as socialism. An art and craft economcy is no welfare state.

KingSango:
No one must be richer than the King.

Stop calling collective economy socialism. A self control and powerful society doesn't encourage a free meal such as socialism. An art and craft economcy is no welfare state.

it's either socialism or capitalism or slavery choose one
Arts and crafts is capitalism

mikolo80:
it's either socialism or capitalism or slavery choose one
Arts and crafts is capitalism

If you listen you can teach. Listening and knowledge must not be separate. Capitalism, Communism and Socialism are European terms.

KingSango:
If you listen you can teach. Listening and knowledge must not be separate. Capitalism, Communism and Socialism are European terms.

their terms
But the concepts are universal
Either work for yourself (capitalism) or for the group (socialism communism)

People work more efficiently for themselves to get rewards
Few people work in a group Cos they are penalised for working

The only fallout of the Trump tax reforms is that Nigerians living in US will send more money back to loved ones at home due to more expendable dollars in thier wallets...Trumps tax reform is a win win for everyone

SalamRushdie:
The only fall of the Trump tax reforms is that Nigerians living in US will send more money back to loved ones at home due to more expendable dollars in thier wallets...Trumps tax reform is a win win for everyone

Or just the opposite. Always be careful of what you wish for.

mikolo80:
their terms
But the concepts are universal
Either work for yourself (capitalism) or for the group (socialism communism)

People work more efficiently for themselves to get rewards
Few people work in a group Cos they are penalized for working

That's the old thinking and it hasn't worked for lifting up any African nation.

KingSango:
That's the old thinking and it hasn't worked for lifting up any African nation.

there is no capitalist African nation

mikolo80:
there is no capitalist African nation

There's plenty of capitalistic investments though.

KingSango:
There's plenty of capitalistic investments though.

all depending on crucially on socialist govt. (electricity, railways,river Niger licensing,ports congestion,) so private investments remains very ineffective

KingSango:
That's the old thinking and it hasn't worked for lifting up any African nation.

thinking not same as implementation

mikolo80:
all depending on crucially on socialist govt. (electricity, railways,river Niger licensing,ports congestion,) so private investments remains very ineffective

The issue is the ordinary Nigerians don't save enough to have capital investment therefore always struggling so the established businesses can't grow either. If you lower the price of food then the price of fuel goes up because it takes fuel to run trucks to deliver, tractors to work fields, and to run machinery. But there is a solution.

mikolo80:
thinking not same as implementation

Implementation is requires power and self control.

KingSango:
The issue is the ordinary Nigerians don't save enough to have capital investment therefore always struggling so the established businesses can't grow either. If you lower the price of food then the price of fuel goes up because it takes fuel to run trucks to deliver, tractors to work fields, and to run machinery. But there is a solution.

remove govt restrictions and 'big ' investors will sort electricity which will encourage manufacturing which will provide jobs.

Lack of savings is govt (socialist) fault cos ppl keep hoping for manna to fall from govt instead of solving their problems themselves. Cruel.

And you haven't mentioned your solution

KingSango:
Implementation is requires power and self control.

this is poor ppl problem world over. Zero motivation

mikolo80:
remove govt restrictions and 'big ' investors will sort electricity which will encourage manufacturing which will provide jobs.

Lack of savings is govt (socialist) fault cos ppl keep hoping for manna to fall from govt instead of solving their problems themselves. Cruel.

And you haven't mentioned your solution

1. People must invest in themselves in small increments into one pot with their local leadership to form capital investment. Small groups at first and then plot a trajectory of gathering more people as profits from investments grow to accommodate more people.

2. Lower the price on every single good and service. Offer a discounts as oppose to hand outs. This way businesses generate more costumers and increase profits. Consumers have more money in their pocketbooks and can start to save, buy more or start their own businesses.

That is just the beginning, it is much more detailed than that but those are two of the key points of the proposal.

mikolo80:
this is poor ppl problem world over. Zero motivation

Sango is passion. Passion is fire. Passions color is red. Benefits motivate people.

KingSango:
Sango is passion. Passion is fire. Passions color is red. Benefits motivate people.

no benefit in socialist dominated country

mikolo80:
no benefit in socialist dominated country

There's benefits in everything. Stop thinking in European terms and invent your own equations and scripts.

KingSango:
1. People must invest in themselves in small increments into one pot with their local leadership to form capital investment. Small groups at first and then plot a trajectory of gathering more people as profits from investments grow to accommodate more people.

Cooperative or corporations

2. Lower the price on every single good and service. Offer a discounts as oppose to hand outs. This way businesses generate more costumers and increase profits. Consumers have more money in their pocketbooks and can start to save, buy more or start their own businesses.

Result of division of labour and economies of scale

That is just the beginning, it is much more detailed than that but those are two of the key points of the proposal.

I've got the gist
same with my plan.start small
Scale up

mikolo80:
Cooperative or corporations



Result of division of labour and economies of scale
I've got the gist
same with my plan.start small
Scale up

The gist is combing number 1 with number 2 in comprehensive and effective manner.

KingSango:
The gist is combing number 1 with number 2 in comprehensive and effective manner.

tis the only way

mikolo80:
tis the only way

I have done this and more in my mind only need to put it on paper for a strong proposal.

KingSango:
Mali had the richest man in history and do you know what type of economy they had? It wasn't capitalism.

kingsango, I sent u a pm... We can be friends, but don't push your religion in my face.

SLIDEwaxie:
kingsango, I sent u a pm... We can be friends, but don't push your religion in my face.

Sure, welcome aboard the Sango express to OyoTunji. High speed rail from Lagos to Ibadan.

Ase

Love Sango

KingSango:
I have done this and more in my mind only need to put it on paper for a strong proposal.

me too
google the Mondragon cooperative

KingSango:
There's benefits in everything. Stop thinking in European terms and invent your own equations and scripts.

of course there is benefit for the lazy which makes the hardworking feel stupid and also become lazy

mikolo80:
me too
google the Mondragon cooperative

The Mondragon Corporation is a corporation and federation of worker cooperatives based in the Basque region of Spain. It was founded in the town of Mondragon in 1956 by graduates of a local technical college. Its first product was paraffin heaters. It is the tenth-largest Spanish company in terms of asset turnover and the leading business group in the Basque Country. At the end of 2014, it employed 74,117 people in 257 companies and organizations in four areas of activity: finance, industry, retail and knowledge.[3] By 2015, 74,335 people were employed.

Exactly.

mikolo80:
of course there is benefit for the lazy which makes the hardworking feel stupid and also become lazy

Most certainly a product of socialism.

But capitalism makes people very individualistic, anti-social, human eaters, and believe they can overthrow the King.

Accepting Whiteman's terms accepts all the bad that comes with his demonic theories. Nothing the savage ever had do we need to build economy and civilization. Nothing.

Ase

Love Sango

KingSango:
Most certainly a product of socialism.

But capitalism makes people very individualistic, anti-social, human eaters, and believe they can overthrow the King.

Accepting Whiteman's terms accepts all the bad that comes with his demonic theories. Nothing the savage ever had do we need to build economy and civilization. Nothing.

Ase

Love Sango

it is not Whitman o
it's nature

KingSango:
The Mondragon Corporation is a corporation and federation of worker cooperatives based in the Basque region of Spain. It was founded in the town of Mondragon in 1956 by graduates of a local technical college. Its first product was paraffin heaters. It is the tenth-largest Spanish company in terms of asset turnover and the leading business group in the Basque Country. At the end of 2014, it employed 74,117 people in 257 companies and organizations in four areas of activity: finance, industry, retail and knowledge.[3] By 2015, 74,335 people were employed.

Exactly.

worth 17 billion a few years ago with just 80,000 members

mikolo80:
worth 17 billion a few years ago with just 80,000 members

Then bring a proposal to Nigerians. Muster your forces and form these worker cooperatives in farming and other natural resources areas.