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When u don't know where some people are coming from u will be angry for nothing

Goodness4525:
It is not possible they won't be helping although just to divert ur thought ,to whom much is given much is expected ,is that all they can do with the national and international tithe they have been collecting

Don't mind yeye gods of men. They collect 1/10 of the peoples money and use 1/100,000 portion of it to help the poor. Imagine, making five hundred thousand people remain in poverty by collecting from them, only to help five people monthly. Mtchew. MMM.

Goodness4525:
why can't u see beyond self acclaimed doctrine of ur Church, the world would had been a better place without religion, Nigeria is better than what we have now in all ramification b4 Christianity emerge

quote me wrong tell me one significance effect of of Christianity on the lives of Nigerian ,Most religious and ungodly nation ,u can only deceived urself

"Nigeria is (sic) better than what we have now in all ramification b4 (sic) Christianity emerge (sic)?

Really, sir? Really??! What sort of distorted history books have you been reading??! Don't try to whip up sentiments! HOW EXACTLY was Nigeria better off before Christianity?! If anything, Christianity aided the spread of Western education in Nigeria, via the efforts of Christian missionaries!

It is your choice to be religionless or probably Godless; don't foist the same on others!

This Leke Beecroft has shown his bias already. I doubt that he is capable of being truly dispassionate on this issue.

Some people are so bitter and frustrated that they have decided to put the problem of Nigeria since 1914 on the heads of pastors.
Please, did any of these pastors contest for any post in 2015 ?
Let the sheeple worry about their tithes, after all its their money. People should learn to mind their business.

** sheeple with pride **

Feel free to quote me if you are having high bp with the above.

tochi55ba:
The only place were it was instructed in the scriptures that your left hand does not no what the right hand is doing, is in the giving of alms. This is because the integrity of the one you are helping should be protected.

...DAT the church does not gather the press or come on social media to do this eye service you call helping the poor does not mean it doesn't help.

Now for the record

1. For many years, Deeper Life Bible Church (DLBC) has been feeding the poor for free especially during her Retreats - Bad for news.

2. Deeper Life builds a #3 Billion Naira Church facility to cater for her teeming multitudes-(The Church comes under attack for not giving the money to the poor by people who probably have never cared for others) Good for news!

3. Redeemed Christian Church of God develops a forest into a sprawling city (Redemption Camp) at no cost to the government helping to decongest Lagos-(No one is interested) - Bad for news

4. Christ Embassy inspires and sponsors hundreds of youths talented in the music ministry-Bad for news.

5. Churches establish universities ensuring that many otherwise jobless academics are gainfully employed - Bad for news.

6. Covenant, JABU, BIU and Landmark Universities are among the 10 cheapest private universities - Bad for news.

7. David Oyedepo Foundation now gives about N500 million annually in her 24 year old scholarship scheme to indigent students-Bad for the news.

8. Covenant University in less than 20 years ranks amongst the top universities in Africa ahead of many much older Nigerian Universities-Bad for news.

9. Pastor Adeboye and wife build rehabilitation centre in Epe for youths overtaken by drug addiction - Bad for news.

10. Adeboye and Oyedepo clock 50 and 35 years in marriage respectively-Bad for the news.

11. Pastor Chris gets divorced - news goes viral.

12. Sinach, Eben, Frank Edwards, Buchi, Samsung, Joe Praize all inspired by Pastor Chris-Bad for the news.

13. Daystar equips 20,000 kids as they return to school-Bad for the news.

14. Bishop Oyedepo subsidises transport fare in hometown to #20-#50 per trip-Bad for the news.

15. RCCG builds 80km road connecting Ikorodu with Redemption Camp/Lagos-Ibadan Expressway-Bad for the news.

16. Oyedepo builds #100 million Townhall in Omu Aran-Bad for the news.

17. Ayo Oritsejafor gives cars, money, Keke, sewing machines, grinding machines to the poor-Bad for the news.

18. Oritsejafor receives jet gift-(He must sell and give the poor)-News goes viral.

19. Winner's Chapel in FACT does NOT own 4 jets-(This is not good for them)-Bad for the news.

20. Pastor Adeboye flies to Zambia, Botswana, CAR, Rwanda in private jet-(He should have flown Nigeria Airways (sic)-News goes viral.

21. Winners Chapel 's gift consignment largest ever received by Rwandan Government - Bad for news.

22. Winners Chapel Accesses Koma Hills with provisions - plants school, church- Bad for news.

23. Olukoya, MFM provides cars and cash for 1st class graduates in Unilag yearly - Bad for the news.

24. Prisoners testify of how Church missionaries led them to Christ, became better citizens-Bad for news.

25. Winners Chapel gives provisions, food, cash to Osun workers after being owed 8 months salary by State Government - Bad for news.

26. Christ Embassy feeds thousands of children daily in her Inner City Mission Scheme (who cares)-Bad for news.

27. Red Cross commends Oyedepo for largest consignment of welfare aid asides government since Nigerian Civil war (who cares)-Bad for news.

28. Landmark University operates largest scholarship scheme among Nigerian private universities--Bad for news.

29. Bishop Oyedepo sits in Church owned jet (Perhaps he should be standing)-News goes viral.

30. MFM invests heavily in football-(who cares)-Bad for news.

31. Living Faith Church under investigation in UK - News goes viral.

32. Living Faith Church commended for financial integrity by UK authorities after probe, named as a good example for other NGOs-Bad for news.

33. Nigerian Churches attract largest number of tourists to Nigeria - Bad for news.

34. Nigerian Churches infrastructural development among highest in Nigeria-(who cares ) -Bad for the news.

35. Nigerian Churches now the foremost player in education at all levels in Nigeria-Bad for news.

36. Covenant University generates her own electricity - Bad for news.

37. Faith Oyedepo 'paralysed'-News goes viral.

38. Faith Oyedepo totally healed -Bad for news.

39. Christ Embassy provides succour for tens if thousands in Haiti - Bad for news.

40. Sierra Leonean President thanks Winners Chapel for relief package to citizens - (who cares) - bad for news.

41. Oyedepo jets out to Sierra Leone, Liberia and Ghana (he should have driven a car or ridden a donkey like Jesus)-News goes viral.

42. Deeper Life spends #1.2 Billion on overhead bridge to stem traffic (who cares)-Bad for news.

The Church of Christ will never be able to please the Gates of Hell.

It's time to shake off the distraction.

NO, they won't see all these now. It is oyedepo and Adeboye that will put food on their tables.

9jakohai:
I think you should reread the article.

While i think them Pentecostal churches should do more...it is not true to say they do absolutely nothing.And this article proves it.

I think that we should also focus more on doing some giving to the needy ourselves, don't you think?

What are you defending

You need to go and read about the missionaries that brought Christianity to us..

You also need to really understand the teaching and even the way of life of Jesus Christ

Have you asked yourself how the so called men of God come about all the riches

Do you know how many Nigerians, even their church members, that are in abject proverty..

Do you know what it takes to own private jet...?

Do you know how many industries the church can build with the amount used to buy and maintain a private jet for a year...

Read your bible very well and understand the meaning of been Christ-like

They should jettison their flamboyant way of life and commit themselves to service to humanity (the true essence of their calling)

Rainmaker69:
This Leke Beecroft has shown his bias already. I doubt that he is capable of being truly dispassionate on this issue.

Because he's not bashing pastors then he isn't 'dispassionate' ehn?! You can't even fault Leke Beecroft's findings, and yet you want us to believe he isn't being dispassionate.

You see... This is exactly the point: pastor-bashing is an all-time favourite past time now. Harp on their excesses but totally ignore every good deed done by them. You're proving that too.

Ranchhoddas:
Nice try.
Attempting to paint your masters in good light.
What is their general impact on the population?
Drop in the ocean.
The kind of opulent lives which these men live make a mockery of whatever acts of charity they might appear to carry out especially in a country like Nigeria.


In a badly-governed society, wealth is something to be ashamed of--- Confucius.

God bless you...

They should go and see how much Bill gate and co that are not religious and actually worked for their wealth, commit to charity...

Unlike our religious leaders who are simply tithes and offerings collectors...

Obi1kenobi:
Jesus Christ is a very important figure in Islam. He's just not deified as God. So Muslims like him understand the values of Jesus as a teacher and prophet. The Sultan and Emir of Kano are the most important traditional rulers in the country and all first class monarchs live in opulence. Is that now the standard by which you measure your pastors?

Lol first class rulers deserve to live in opulence while first class pastors should live in penury.

Oyedepo and Adeboye are not ordinary leaders either. They are the leaders of Pentecostalism in Nigeria and I dare say even Africa. Oyedepo has nothing less than 12,000 pastors as employees and Adeboye has over 64,000 pastors globally not to talk of other ministries that are submitting to them. So they are not the average pastors either and No they don't even live in Opulence. Ownership of jets is to ease their foreign ministerial work and not vacationing.

dbelovd:
God bless you...

They should go and see how much Bill gate and co that are not religious and actually worked for their wealth, commit to charity...

Unlike our religious leaders who are simply tithes and offerings collectors...

Is it your tithes and offerings they are collecting?

Ofcos they give, but people will not agree until they see you drop 1million at their door step...however we all should learn how to give to one another because there is always someone you are better of and there is always something you can give....if its not money, it could be one encouraging word from u, it could be a cup of rice, anything! Let every one help in their own level and capacity..Merry Christmas!

dbelovd:
What are defending

You need to go and read about the missionaries that brought Christianity to us..

You also need to really understand the teaching and even the way of life of Jesus Christ

Have you asked yourself how the so called men of God come about all the riches

Do you know how many Nigerians, even their church members, that are in abject proverty..

Do you know what it takes to own private jet...?

Do you know how many industries the church can build with the amount used to buy and maintain a private jet for a year...

Read your bible very well and understand the meaning of been Christ-like

They should jettison their flamboyant way of life and commit themselves to service to humanity (the true essence of their calling)

What about the missionaries do you want people to read about? OK for you to be sure these ones are Christians and God fearing, they have to wear rags, own nothing, walk barefoot, travel long distances on foot right?

Even Jesus didn't enter plane or slept in a mansion. If any Christian is doing this, they're on their way to hell. Thanks for letting us know

dbelovd:
God bless you...

They should go and see how much Bill gate and co that are not religious and actually worked for their wealth, commit to charity...

Unlike our religious leaders who are simply tithes and offerings collectors...

Since you believe Oyedepo and do is richer than Bill Gate we now know where the problem is.

Mirand606:
DO JET-SETTING CHURCHES CARE FOR THE POOR?

By Leke Beecroft

As early as April 1984 in a service in the young Living Faith Church where the total offering was ten naira (N10.00), the whole amount was given to one person who had come to Church looking very gloomy to sort out his personal issues. All other jet owning Churches in this category namely the Adeboye led RCCG, Oyakhilome’s Christ Embassy, Ayo Oritsejafor’s Word of Life and please permit me in this instance, the man in the Synagogue, I know as the most vibrant and generous Churches with regards to giving to the poor even though most of them do not have a system of broadcasting it.

Is it Ayo Oritsejafor’s annual program where he gives cars, keke NAPEP (Marwa), grinding machines, motor cycles etc while doling out large sums of money in Warri regardless of their religion or denomination? Is it Chris Oyakhilome’s Inner City Mission which takes special interest in feeding little children? Are we looking at tons of otherwise unemployed youth who have crossed from poverty to wealth on the basis of the foundation given by him? Have we forgotten that Frank Edward was a hawker before God changed his story miraculously? Why do great people like Sinach, Buchi, Joe Praize, Samsong, Frank Edward, Eben and others always seem to get on our nerves when appreciating Pastor Chris? Is it not because he was the one that gave them the required push and we all now wait for and rush any latest material by any of them? How many of them could be termed as rich before meeting Pastor Chris?

Is it Winners Chapel annual N500m non-interest loans or help to crisis ridden areas like Sierra Leone and Rwanda? Her gift to Osun State workers, rescue mission with food supply and provision of Pipe-borne water on Koma Hills, Heavy consignments to Ikeja blast victims, mission in Southern Sudan, face lift of Omu Aran, fixing of road in Ota which was to be done at N560 million naira while the State Government had billed the same road for N4.4 billion naira? Are we talking about Oyedepo’s mandate that no primary school aged child should be out of school in the Church? Have we forgotten Nkechi Okwuone’s testimony at Shiloh 2017 where she said as directed by the Bishop, members should all have a ‘help list’ (most will ignore this but attack tithing). All those good at listening to stuff from church to criticize all played deaf to that testimony by her where she said 5% of her income was kept specifically for the needy on her her help list. It becomes more interesting when you find that the Church according to her 5 year old
constitution, the Mandate allocates some percentage of her income to the poor annually in her posterity mandate which is aimed at feeding the hungry, clothing the Unclad, providing shelter for the homeless and total emancipation of humanity. It is also humorous that all the critics are too blind to see it. I will not forget to mention the multi-million naira David Oyedepo Scholarship Scheme which thousands of indigent student have benefited from as well as the fact that Landmark University awards more scholarship than any other university in Nigeria.

The RCCG is another major example of a Church ministering to the needs of the poor. Infact the RCCG is addressing the elephant in the room. At least 50% of the young people reading this article are on some form of cheap illegal substance or the other. That is where CADAM of RCCG presently headed by Dokun Ayodeji comes in. Statistics have it that 7 out of 10 youth in Nigeria are engaged in drugs. Calabar and Warri are particularly notable cases where the statistics are probably higher.

The N200 million CADAM Ultra-Modern Rehabiltation Centre in Araga-Epe, Lagos is a case in point.
Christ Against Drug Abuse Ministry-CADAM, a rehabilitation centre for drug addicts and abusers is an initiative of the RCCG established In 1991, CADAM was started as a department in church
CADAM has assisted more than 2000 beneficiaries, most of whom have become professionals and well-to-do persons in the society.

What about the refurbishment, upgrade and equipping of Intensive Care Unit of the Lagos State University Teaching Hospital. The Intensive Care Unit equipped with multi-million naira facilities including 5,000 ICU Beds, four Alpha-Active Mattresses, B-Braun Infusion Pumps, Syringe Pumps, Multi-Parameter Patient monitors and bedside lockers?

The influence of THE REDEEMED CHRISTIAN CHURCH OF GOD is beyond the four walls of Nigeria as the church’s presence is in over 190 countries of the world.

Thousands of CSR activities has been embarked upon by the Church both home and abroad. They also have many sponsored mission fields all over the world irrespective of the denomination. Yet, the passion to do more is an undeniable thirst for Enoch Adeboye.
Here are some more of the contributions of this jet-setting Church to humanity; I will list only 20 for want of time and space:

1. Donation of the Enoch Adeboye Community center for the homeless in Delaware, USA.

This community center serves as a place of refuge for the homeless and those in need of help. Some of its benefits includes a free health care services, Internet access, bed spaces, bathrooms, feeding etc.

2. Construction of a road at Eliada Community, Rumuogba Town, Obio/Akpor LGA of Rivers State, Nigeria which links the church, an estate and a clinic.

3. Sponsoring of some less privileged children. This includes the payment of their school fees in Wesley Methodist Nursery and Primary School, Ikom and other basic needs of the children.

4. Donation of free diapers to Nursing mothers at Meiran Health Centre in Ijaiye LGA, Lagos

5. Renovation 57-year-old Police Station in Lagos.

6. Fixing of Abandoned and unmotorable 15km stretch of road in Osun State; From the Palace of the King in Ile-Ife to the Palace of the King in Ifewara (Adeboye’s place of birth) such that farmers might be able to get their harvest to potential buyers in urban areas.

7. Building & equipping a 12-classroom block as donation to Ojodu Primary School.

8. Countless traders smiling to the banks during RCCG Conventions.

9. Donation of foodstuff to unpaid Oyo State civil servants.

10. Donation of chairs and tables to Meiran Community Primary School in Ayobo Ipaja LCDA in Lagos.

11. Free Feeding of about 7 million people from 80 nations during RCCG Annual Conventions

12. Free Clinics and hospitals such as ‘healing stripes’ where Nigerians can walk to and receive treatment for free.

13. Donation of sports complex in Lagos in a bid to ensure that more young souls are won for Christ.

14. Provision of Medical Supplies to the People of Vanuatu.

15. Feeding of prisoners in Nigeria’s major prison, Kirikiri Maximum Prison on Sunday.

16. Training of 5000 Ilupeju residents on vocational skills as part of the CSR of the church to members of its community.

17. Over N350million has been donated to an Educational initiative called "Pastor E.A. Adeboye Professorial Chair of Maths".
This money was donated to State owned universities in Nigeria to improve the educational situation.

18. Free allocation of landed property to Church members to build houses.

19. Renovation of 4 police stations in Surulere area of Lagos State.

20. Payment of education bills for its full time national staffs children up till University level. This applies to the first three kids.

Effectively, we have a situation where the Church is busy filling so many many gaps that government has been unable to fill but ironically still receives the flak from the indiscernible public for not doing more to help the government. Where should energies be directed? If the Church manages just a tenth of what the government earns, truth is, we would have a different Nigeria already.

On a tour of Covenant University (CU) and during a private conversation by former President Obasanjo and Bishop Oyedepo, they came across the CU-Library, one of the biggest in Africa. ‘How much did you spend to build this’? asked President Obasanjo. Oyedepo responded that it cost N500 million naira. Obasanjo exclaimed loudly in amazement “Even if you hit your head against the ground, you will never get this out with that amount in government. Officials at all levels of government will take out theirs before leaving the remnant for the job”.Obasanjo should know because he built a presidential library for which about N50 billion naira was raised while he governed Nigeria for over 11 years cummulatively. I have visited that library and I know the difference between the N500 million naira CU Library at Ota and the N50 billion naira Presidential Library at Abeokuta. You can go see for yourself.


As regards cost of her schools, a simple illustration. The secondary school at the University of Lagos the International School, Lagos (ISL) a day school charges same amount of fees as Faith Academy (FA), Canaanland, a boarding school. In a discussion with a student who had crossed over from one of the schools to the other, she noted that there were an average of 20 students in a class at FA while there were up to 50 in a class at ISL. ISL, a government owned school only deals with students during the week days while FA accommodates and feeds the students-for the same amount. Do the maths.
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It's churches who has been helping the poor. Yet Satan keeps attacking churches

Nasir123:
I'm always ashamed of people like u.
Who is teaching u about ur religion?

Oh! Do somebody told u the sultan bought his car from the donation/tight from the mosque? Even an Imam(mosque leader) can't try it. We will remove him in peace.

Next time, stick to the issue and stop behaving like illiterate.

Good day.

Lol no, he bought it from the Commonwealth of Government money which is supposed to take care of ordinary poor Nigerians. Why can't he buy Camry or get a Jeep like that of Oyedepo and not waste Govt money on his flamboyant lifestyle. He recently got a house over 400 million naira in Abuja yet you mumus didn't question what Govt can do with such money instead you are facing pastors who legitimately collect money from willful members.

OtemAtum:
Don't mind yeye gods of men. They collect 1/10 of the peoples money and use 1/100,000 portion of it to help the poor. Imagine, making five hundred thousand people remain in poverty by collecting from them, only to help five people monthly. Mtchew. MMM.

How do you calculate this fractions sef? Or is it in one of your otem verses?

ObaKlaz:
"Nigeria is (sic) better than what we have now in all ramification b4 (sic) Christianity emerge (sic)?

Really, sir? Really??! What sort of distorted history books have you been reading??! Don't try to whip up sentiments! HOW EXACTLY was Nigeria better off before Christianity?! If anything, Christianity aided the spread of Western education in Nigeria, via the efforts of Christian missionaries!

It is your choice to be religionless or probably Godless; don't foist the same on others!

Judging from ur statement above ,the Roman Catholic mission brought education without forcing any one to pay tithe and what have ur Pentecostalism
god of men done with all the tithe they have been collecting from our past generation

it is very obvious they astablish themselves for the money and fame involve, worldly things ,opposite of Christianity Everybody be wise in this new year or stay 4ever fool

Mirand606:
I like this part. True depiction of Nigeria. All govt contracts are truly inflated.

Thanks for sharing this.

Most Bible bliving churches don't air every act of giving on TV to receive commendation of men and hence lose their divine rewards because Christ said: the left hand shouldn't know what the right hand is giving.

"The poor you would always have with you" .....Jesus.

This is because not everyone would be willing to pay the price of greatness.

Besides, which is better? Give the poor man food or teach him how to farm as you also proclaim the blessings of the Lord upon him?

Myopic men fail to realise that a word of blessings upon one's life from a mouthpiece of God is worth more than a billion bars!

But we all know, their evil plans is DOA

Mirand606:

Lol first class rulers deserve to live in opulence while first class pastors should live in penury.

Oyedepo and Adeboye are not ordinary leaders either. They are the leaders of Pentecostalism in Nigeria and I dare say even Africa. Oyedepo has nothing less than 12,000 pastors as employees and Adeboye has over 64,000 pastors globally not to talk of other ministries that are submitting to them. So they are not the average pastors either and No they don't even live in Opulence. Ownership of jets is to ease their foreign ministerial work and not vacationing.

The very fact you're comparing pastors with rulers reflects a fundamental flaw in your outlook on Christianity. And is tragically common among Pentecostal Christians. Rulers are men of the world who profit from the social hierarchy. Pastors aren't, or shouldn't. Simplicity, modesty and aiming for equality among Christian brethren should be the watchword. No one is asking they live in penury. That's a strawman argument.

And yes, Oyedepo and Adeboye live in opulence. People who live in mansions, drive in motorcades/convoys that are like those of politicians and ride in private jets live in opulence. There are American billionaires that live simpler lives than Nigeria's rich pastors. And anyone telling you they need private jets is a liar. They want it. They don't need it. There are plenty of corporate executives, businessmen/entrepreneurs, politicians/statesmen etc with very busy traveling schedules who can perfectly manage their traveling with scheduled commercial flying. No humble purveyor of the Gospel of Christ needs or should desire a private jet. Anyone that thinks the Christ described in the Bible or Apostle Paul would have been rocking around in private jets - the ultimate status symbol of opulent living - has been brainwashed beyond redemption.

HARDDON:
Thanks for sharing this.

Most Bible bliving churches don't air every act of giving on TV to receive commendation of men and hence lose their divine rewards because Christ said: the left hand shouldn't know what the right hand is giving.

"The poor you would always have with you" .....Jesus.

This is because not everyone would be willing to pay the price of greatness.

Besides, which is better? Give the poor man food or teach him how to farm as you also proclaim the blessings of the Lord upon him?

Myopic men fail to realise that a word of blessings upon one's life from a mouthpiece of God is worth more than a billion bars!

But we all know, their evil plans is DOA

Again, this is total nonsense and false modesty. Churches, like other tax-exempt, non-profit NGOs, should be transparent and accountable. No one is asking they go to Channels TV to broadcast their giving, but at the very list, there must be internal publications (and all churches publish bulletins, devotionals etc) where the flock should be able to know what is done with their money. A church could get 50 billion naira a year in tithes and offerings and the leaders give 500 million (1%) to charity for all you know and you'll be here making noise about how charitable you are without having knowledge of what is expended on what.

ObaKlaz:
Because he's not bashing pastors then he isn't 'dispassionate' ehn?! You can't even fault Leke Beecroft's findings, and yet you want us to believe he isn't being dispassionate.

You see... This is exactly the point: pastor-bashing is an all-time favourite past time now. Harp on their excesses but totally ignore every good deed done by them. You're proving that too.

Smh. The problem with people like you is that when you don't understand something, you abandon the facts and create imaginary opponents to attack. Unfortunately, that won't help you in the long run. It is unfair and pedestrian for you to falsely characterize my comment. And for your information, Pastor-bashing is not dispassionate.

For your benefit, I'll explain my comment further. Leke is a member of Winners Chapel and a long-time adherent of Bishop Oyedepo. He doesn't hide it, and he shouldn't, but his proximity to his subject will undoubtedly cloud his judgment when making a neutral argument. If he set out to make a case for the jets, it would be his opinion and he is entitled to his biases. If he sets out to present a neutral position, then he needs to do the work and display neutrality.
In case you are not aware, these investigations are common in other climes. Do your research and you will find several examples of unbiased investigations and reportage on religion.

Goodness4525:
Judging from ur statement above ,the Roman Catholic mission brought education without forcing any one to pay tithe and what have ur Pentecostalism
god of men done with all the tithe they have been collecting from our past generation

it is very obvious they astablish themselves for the money and fame involve, worldly things ,opposite of Christianity Everybody be wise in this new year or stay 4ever fool

Hello, though I initially wanted to scroll through this thread as I observed most comments here are riddled with lies to drive up false narratives, your comment prompted this response as it reeks of ignorance.... I implore you to revisit the history of Nigeria. When it comes 'development' the precolonial Nigeria does not hold a touch to what we have at present. Yes we are moving at the pace of a snail thanks to the 'corruption' engrained in our society. Blaming religion for the mess in this country is just a lazy avenue to find the easy way out rather tackle the real problem which is 'corruption' birthed by self-centered nature of the average Nigerian. An average politician in Nigeria is IRRELIGIOUS and only hide under religion safety net to hide his greed. If you think politicians go to church, mosque and shrine within the space of a week because they believe in God rather a campaign gimmick then you are in for a long ride .In fact, religion is a necessary tool to check against excesses in a country where respect for laws and order is lost.

Obi1kenobi:
Again, this is total nonsense and false modesty. Churches, like other tax-exempt, non-profit NGOs, should be transparent and accountable. No one is asking they go to Channels TV to broadcast their giving, but at the very list, there must be internal publications (and all churches publish bulletins, devotionals etc) where the flock should be able to know what is done with their money. A church could get 50 billion naira a year in tithes and offerings and the leaders give 500 million (1%) to charity for all you know and you'll be here making noise about how charitable you are without having knowledge of what is expended on what.

In your entire life, how much money have you handled and how much tithe have you paid?

How many poor have you helped? this is same mentality judas had when he became very angry at Mary for anointing(wasting)
an expensive ointment on Jesus' feets

Charity, they say, begins at home.

You pointing fingers at the specks in another man's eyes ignoring the log on yours.

Christ body is not a secular system for your myopic mind to meddle in.

Besides, tithes and offerings don't make a church RICH! IT IS THE BLESSINGS OF THE LORD THAT DOES.

These men you castigate, go read their history n run off with your tail inbtw your legs.

My pastor poured out his heart out in blessing the church. Struggling men began to get breakthroughs right, left and centre.
Pastor's life can't remain same too. By the way, it is only fake pastors that touch church 's tithes and offering.



I do get where this hate is coming from. Now the dark world suddenly woke up and realise that the once upon a time church rats ( out of ignorance), are realizing their place in Christ and their sole birthright : abundant wealth. they no more come begging for meal and recharge nor kids' sch fees.

Abraham was Rich, Isaac was very Rich, Jacob was exceedingly very Rich. That is our lineage.

If you are poor, pay the price for wealth and stop hating.

Obi1kenobi:
Again, this is total nonsense and false modesty. Churches, like other tax-exempt, non-profit NGOs, should be transparent and accountable. No one is asking they go to Channels TV to broadcast their giving, but at the very list, there must be internal publications (and all churches publish bulletins, devotionals etc) where the flock should be able to know what is done with their money. A church could get 50 billion naira a year in tithes and offerings and the leaders give 500 million (1%) to charity for all you know and you'll be here making noise about how charitable you are without having knowledge of what is expended on what.

And where did you get the false narrative that tithers are ignorant of things being done with their money?
Ooohh... I seeee... you want the Church to give you full details of how the entire money down to the minute token is being spent as an 'ordained external finance auditor by God' right?
If you think a denomination isn't being transparent enough about her handling of tithe then don't attend and keep your money to yourself rather than rubbing your 'emotion-laced' opinion on others

HARDDON:
In your entire life, how much money have you handled and how much tithe have you paid?

How many poor have you helped?

Charity, they say, begins at home.

You pointing fingers at the specks in another man's eyes ignoring the log on yours.

Christ body is not a secular system for your myopic mind to meddle in.

Besides, tithes and offerings don't make a church RICH! IT IS THE BLESSINGS OF THE LORD THAT DOES.

These men you castigate, go read their history n run off with your tail inbtw your legs.

My pastor poured out his heart out in blessing the church. Struggling men began to get breakthrouths right left and centre.
Pastor's life can't remain same too. By the way, it is only fake pastors that touch church 's tithes and offering.



I do get where this hate is coming from. Now the dark world suddenly woke up and realise that the once upon a time church rats ( out of ignorants), are realizing their place in Christ and their sole birthright : abundant wealth.

Abraham was Rich, Isaac was very Rich, Jacob was exceedingly very Rich. That is our lineage.

If you are poor, pay the price for wealth and stop hating

A completely irrelevant, emotional rant with no relationship with anything I've said.

Abraham was not a pastor. Isaac was not a pastor. Jacob was not a pastor. And no, that is not your "lineage". Stop denying your real ancestors by peddling nonsense.

delexy123:
And where did you get the false narrative that tithers are ignorant of things being done with their money?
Ooohh... I seeee... you want the Church to give you full details of how the entire money down to the minute token is being spent as an 'ordained external finance auditor by God' right?

Anyone claiming with pride, as some have done here, that they don't even know what their churches do with their money (alluding to some kind of fake modesty in hiding their charity) is clearly ignorant of things being done with their money. In many civilized nations, the flock demand financial returns at the end of each year to know what was generated in funds and how it was spent.

The very fact you think this is somehow out of place while making asinine digs about "auditor by God" only shows up your naivety and the gullibility of the average Nigerian Christian - especially Pentecostals. "Touch not our anointed". And you wonder why you're called sheeple.

Synagogue is good in publicity. Many Churches are doing it but they won't use 10million Naira airtime on TV to announce 5million Naira gift.My Church in Ikeja paved a whole street in the community where it resides and nobody hears. My Pastor has a foundation that sends all less privilege in the Church to University. The only requirement is a valid admission. He never do a single radio advert or post pictures online.

I'm not saying all these to justify Tithes. Just know that some Churches got good publicity stunts and they know Nigerians love that. Same thing our politicians do. They build a 20 million Naira facility and use 10 million Naira for grand opening.

KushyKush:
The only church that gives a fück about the poor is synagogue. (Even the country appreciates synagogue as a church for their many works and services to mankind)

Other churches are only after your tithes, Thanksgiving money, pastor's welfare money, building donations and Sunday offerings.

Those quoting me can go ahead and suck my dick twice everyTuesday.

Your church is owned by a criminal who feeds on your money and in return says the exact thing you can read in your Bible free of charge at home.

Even those churches don't pay Taxs yet their say God will curse you whenever you don't pay tithes. Talk about double standards and fuckery.

Mirand606:
Lol no, he bought it from the Commonwealth of Government money which is supposed to take care of ordinary poor Nigerians. Why can't he buy Camry or get a Jeep like that of Oyedepo and not waste Govt money on his flamboyant lifestyle. He recently got a house over 400 million naira in Abuja yet you mumus didn't question what Govt can do with such money instead you are facing pastors who legitimately collect money from willful members.

Maybe u don't get.
If anybody including the Sultan buy a jet/car from tax payers money for his own personal use,then him or anyone as that should be arrested. That's my stand(except if u are a business man or dash to u by somebody wealthy).
However, the Sultan is not my role model as a Muslim.

Note; When we talk about godliness,its not about the Sultan or Pastors, its about the reality.

That's my stand as a Muslim.

Obi1kenobi:
The very fact you're comparing pastors with rulers reflects a fundamental flaw in your outlook on Christianity. And is tragically common among Pentecostal Christians. Rulers are men of the world who profit from the social hierarchy. Pastors aren't, or shouldn't. Simplicity, modesty and aiming for equality among Christian brethren should be the watchword. No one is asking they live in penury. That's a strawman argument.

And yes, Oyedepo and Adeboye live in opulence. People who live in mansions, drive in motorcades/convoys that are like those of politicians and ride in private jets live in opulence. There are American billionaires that live simpler lives than Nigeria's rich pastors. And anyone telling you they need private jets is a liar. They want it. They don't need it. There are plenty of corporate executives, businessmen/entrepreneurs, politicians/statesmen etc with very busy traveling schedules who can perfectly manage their traveling with scheduled commercial flying. No humble purveyor of the Gospel of Christ needs or should desire a private jet. Anyone that thinks the Christ described in the Bible or Apostle Paul would have been rocking around in private jets - the ultimate status symbol of opulent living - has been brainwashed beyond redemption.

First of all, the fact that you are "irreligious" means you don't get the right to define what Christianity should or shouldn't be. I have followed your posts and I believe you pride your self being an outsider and I think you shouldn't attempt to define the norm for Christiandom as such.
Only Pentecostal Christians can define what Pentecostalism mean and if we are perfectly OK with that definition then your opinion is nothing but an opinion. So don't pretend you even believe the content of the bible enough to even want to school me about it.

I am in no way comparing pastors to ceremonial rulers. To me pastors are way ahead than any traditional leader so it would smack of disrespect to even compare a trad ruler to a pastor.

Mind you the Sultan isn't just a traditional leader but a spiritual one and even the President of NSCIA-which means he is the religious leader of the entire Muslim population in Nigeria. And yes he lives in opulence in the midst of gross poverty but no one dares to question him or write one useless article against him.

Now to Jets again
There is something fundamentally wrong with the way you see private jets. It's just a vehicle with wings and nothing more. There is no philosophical difference between a man who uses a private jet and a man who uses a private car. Shall we then call a pastor who uses a private car fraudulent for boycotting public BRT and buying a car with money which essentially can lift someone out of poverty?

You may want to mention Cost difference but cost is a relative issue. What is the difference between a Growing Church hq spending 1% of her budget on bus transport and Winners hq with a 1% budget on jet travels?

Luxury to me would be Oyedepo purchasing a Yacht and cruising around the world with it or even jetting of to Prague or the Bahamas to have fun. However one of these jets conveyed oyedepo to 27 different countries in one single year where he went to minister-that's 54 times taking off and landing in just one year. So as long as the church jets have operational justification, we the members are perfectly OK with the use.