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analize701:
Beans and Bread, do you read?
In 1747.
1967.

2000

2001

2008.

Pls try and read the history of the world.

You can't be taken seriously, 1747? Empiree are you seeing this

BeansAndBread:
You can't be taken seriously, 1747? Empiree are you seeing this

Can you read? Goggle is your friend. Can Empiree give you the truth? Oh wait!!!! Muslims hate truth

analize701:
Can you read? Goggle is your friend. Can Empiree give you the truth? Oh wait!!!! Muslims hate truth

Oya let's start from here, where was Israel in 1747? Was it in existence?

BeansAndBread:
You can't be taken seriously, 1747? Emp.iree are you seeing this

The guy is insane. He was not despicable like this before.

jeruzi:
The people you said are not Jews are real jews who escaped to Europe and returned. Contrary to what you stated in your earlier post, my arguments were not flawed. I know very well that religion is required to iron out this, but if I delved deep into religion, the thread will change. So now, what is the origing of islam? what religion was in mecca? what was kaaba to them? Did mohamed claim he was possessed? How is YHWH the same as allah? if you claim it's the same, why does the God of the jews suddenly want them dead? why are all the prophets and apostles before mohamed wrong? was mohamed not instructed to worship the gods of the pagan land that he conquered? Didn't want to do it this way before. Answer

smh, see how you lumped everything together. Lord have mercy.

Empiree:
smh, see how you lumped everything together. Lord have mercy.

I am a Christian, and I do not believe in your prophecies. For me to believe your islam is the real religion, you have to clear a lot of questions. What you saw up there was to prepare your mind. Each question is well stated and not lumped like you state, but related to each other. Settle with the qustions and start your answers from your strongest point. You have time, defend your islam. The questions are before you.

Empiree:
Ok, then. When all those people you mentioned return to their places of origin, only then, these israelis may claim the Land again. Meaning, until Red Indians claim back America, until African Americans return to Africa etc. But remember, people also existed before them too on the same Land

Remember also that the people pushing for "jewish state" are White European parading themselves as Jews. Thats', they are European who converted to Judaism but in reality, they have nothing to do with ancient Jews. Don't you think they need to return to EU themselves?

We're kinda saying the same thing

jeruzi:
I am a Christian, and I do not believe in your prophecies. For me to believe your islam is the real religion, you have to clear a lot of questions. What you saw up there was to prepare your mind. Each question is well stated and not lumped like you state, but related to each other. Settle with the qustions and start your answers from your strongest point. You have time, defend your islam. The questions are before you.

I see. Very well. Remember you are christian as you rightly said and then you are defending Jews/Judaism. That's two different religions. The implication is that, you have to abide and defend Old Testament. Don't run away by the time i start with you. Don't tell me later these are old laws meant for the Jews by the time i start with you. Your old testament will be used against you to show you Jews murdered prophets, they murdered your god (Jesus) and you still defending them. They massacred innocent men, women and children in the Land in question. So you gonna have to explain to us how the land was theirs from the beginning and how the land is theirs "forever".

But first you need to tell us why you are defending them knowing that they killed your god, Jesus christ, on the cross and they boosted about it. You have lots of answering to do my friend. You also shied away from the Rabbi's video up there. This is the 3rd time i am bringing your attention to it. Do you know better than them when the Rabbi said 'we (Jews) were exiled by God from the Holy Land bcuz of their iniquities'?



1 Thessalonians 2:14-15

"For you, brothers and sisters, became imitators of God’s churches in Judea, which are in Christ Jesus: You suffered from your own people the same things those churches suffered from the Jews who killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets and also drove us out. They displease God and are hostile to everyone"





Requirements Of Holy Land (ar-muqadasa- Jerusalem)

It is servants of God to submit and accept Him as the Only One God -Allah. This submission is known as ISLAM. So all prophets preached submission to God's will. Therefore, all prophets submitted to God, including but not limited to Abraham, Moses, David, Solomon, Jesus and Muhammad(peace be upon them all) all of them came with the same message, Oneness of God.


Quran says:


Say (O Muhammad SAW): "We believe in Allah and in what has been sent down to us, and what was sent down to Ibrahim (Abraham), Isma'il (Ishmael), Ishaque (Isaac), Ya'qub (Jacob) and Al-Asbat [the twelve sons of Ya'qub (Jacob)] and what was given to Musa (Moses), 'Iesa (Jesus) and the Prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between one another among them and to Him (Allah) we have submitted (in Islam)."



Also

Chapter 4 verses 161-165


For the wrong­doing of the Jews, We made unlawful to them certain good foods which has been lawful to them, and for their hindering many from God's Way;

But those firm in knowledge among them and the believers believe in what has been revealed to you, [O Muhammad], and what was revealed before you. And the establishers of prayer [especially] and the givers of zakah and the believers in Allah and the Last Day - those We will give a great reward. Verily, We have inspired you (O Muhammad SAW) as We inspired Nuh (Noah) and the Prophets after him; We (also) inspired Ibrahim (Abraham), Isma'il (Ishmael), Ishaque (Isaac), Ya'qub (Jacob), and Al­Asbat [the twelve sons of Ya'qub (Jacob)], 'Iesa (Jesus), Ayub (Job), Yunus (Jonah), Harun (Aaron), and Sulaiman (Solomon), and to Dawud (David) We gave the Zabur (Psalms).

And Messengers We have mentioned to you before, and Messengers We have not mentioned to you, - and to Musa (Moses) Allah spoke directly. [We sent] messengers as bringers of good tidings and warners so that mankind will have no argument against Allah after the messengers. And ever is Allah Exalted in Might and Wise.


See how Allah praises His prophets and messangers?. But you Judeo/christian Bible mocked prophets and messangers. We found in your Book where they accused prophets of inces.t, rap.e, womanizers, and all sorts of barbaric behaviors you can think of. They called Jesus 'bastard' auzubilah. They called her mother a prostitut.e auzubilah and they finally boosted of killing the son of Mary, messanger of Allah. These are people you called "chosen people"?. Yes, they used to be chosen people when they were muslims until they rebelled against God.


Again, Quran iterate covenant God made with His prophets


And [mention, O Muhammad], when We took from the prophets their covenant and from you and from Noah and Abraham and Moses and Jesus, the son of Mary; and We took from them a solemn covenant. That He may question the truthful about their truth. And He has prepared for the disbelievers a painful punishment.



No prophets of God recognized Judaism. They fabricated their own religion and attributed it to Moses. They started this fabrication when Moses left to collect Commandments. Before he came back they started worshipping calf. As for christianity, it has nothing to do with Jesus. It was fabricated and started by Paul. This is just a glimpse.

BeansAndBread:
Oya let's start from here, where was Israel in 1747? Was it in existence?

It's actually 1974 noy 1947.

Empiree:
The guy is insane. He was not despicable like this before.

Arabs are the insane ones who wants to steal someones property in broad daylight and they want to steal all of it. Here is Wiki, read and get sesne.

The two-state solution refers to a solution of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict which calls for "two states for two groups of people." The two-state solution envisages an independent State of Palestine alongside the State of Israel, west of the Jordan River. The boundary between the two states is still subject to dispute and negotiation, with Palestinian and Arab leadership insisting on the "1967 borders", which is not accepted by Israel. The territory of the former Mandate Palestine which shall not form part of the Palestinian State, shall be part of Israeli territory.

The framework of the solution is set out in UN resolutions on the "Peaceful settlement of the question of Palestine", going back to 1974.[1][2][3] The resolution calls for "two States, Israel and Palestine … side by side within secure and recognized borders" together with "a just resolution of the refugee question in conformity with UN resolution 194". The borders of the state of Palestine are "based on the pre-1967 borders". The latest resolution in November 2013 was passed 165 to 6, with 6 abstentions.[4] The countries voting against were Canada, Israel, the United States, the Federated States of Micronesia, Marshall Islands, and Palau.[5]

The Palestinians have "shown serious interest" in a two-state solution since the mid-1970s, and its mainstream leadership has embraced the concept since the 1982 Arab Summit in Fez.[6]

Over the years, polls have consistently shown "respectable Israeli and Palestinian majorities in favor of a negotiated two-state settlement."[7]

There have been many diplomatic efforts to realize a two state solution, starting from the 1991 Madrid Conference. There followed the 1993 Oslo Accords and the failed 2000 Camp David Summit followed by the Taba negotiations in early 2001. In 2002, the Arab League proposed the Arab Peace Initiative. The latest initiative, which also failed, was the 2013–14 peace talks.

Empiree:
smh, see how you lumped everything together. Lord have mercy.

Which Lord? allah is not a merciful god, so which Lord?

jeruzi:
I am a Christian, and I do not believe in your prophecies. For me to believe your islam is the real religion, you have to clear a lot of questions. What you saw up there was to prepare your mind. Each question is well stated and not lumped like you state, but related to each other. Settle with the qustions and start your answers from your strongest point. You have time, defend your islam. The questions are before you.

You just pursue that one commot from here.

analize701:
Arabs are the insane ones who wants to steal someones property in broad daylight and they want to steal all of it. Here is Wiki, read and get sesne.

The two-state solution refers to a solution of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict which calls for "two states for two groups of people." The two-state solution envisages an independent State of Palestine alongside the State of Israel, west of the Jordan River. The boundary between the two states is still subject to dispute and negotiation, with Palestinian and Arab leadership insisting on the "1967 borders", which is not accepted by Israel. The territory of the former Mandate Palestine which shall not form part of the Palestinian State, shall be part of Israeli territory.

The framework of the solution is set out in UN resolutions on the "Peaceful settlement of the question of Palestine", going back to 1974.[1][2][3] The resolution calls for "two States, Israel and Palestine … side by side within secure and recognized borders" together with "a just resolution of the refugee question in conformity with UN resolution 194". The borders of the state of Palestine are "based on the pre-1967 borders". The latest resolution in November 2013 was passed 165 to 6, with 6 abstentions.[4] The countries voting against were Canada, Israel, the United States, the Federated States of Micronesia, Marshall Islands, and Palau.[5]

The Palestinians have "shown serious interest" in a two-state solution since the mid-1970s, and its mainstream leadership has embraced the concept since the 1982 Arab Summit in Fez.[6]

Over the years, polls have consistently shown "respectable Israeli and Palestinian majorities in favor of a negotiated two-state settlement."[7]

There have been many diplomatic efforts to realize a two state solution, starting from the 1991 Madrid Conference. There followed the 1993 Oslo Accords and the failed 2000 Camp David Summit followed by the Taba negotiations in early 2001. In 2002, the Arab League proposed the Arab Peace Initiative. The latest initiative, which also failed, was the 2013–14 peace talks.

And your point is.......?. It says Palestinians have shown interest in 2-state solution contrary to your statement that they aren't interested in a 2-state solution. Israel is simply not interested in any solution

Empiree:
The verse addresses Abraham and Abraham from Ur. And Abraham was muslim not Jew

Qur'an speaks


Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was one inclining toward truth, a Muslim [submitting to Allah]. And he was not of the polytheists. Q3:67


Talking about descendants, QUran emphasized RIGHTEOUS CONDUCT as a condition to descendants of Abraham who are righteous. If you re not righteous and belief in God, you are exempted.


Quran speaks again


(Q2:124) Recall when Abraham’s Lord tested him in certain matters and when he successfully stood the test, He said: “Indeed I am going to appoint you a leader of all people.” When Abraham asked: “And is this covenant also for my descendants?” the Lord responded: “My covenant does not embrace the wrong-doers.”


Part of their wrong doers before and today is bribing UN and world powers to rule in their favor. And your other post where you did not quote me properly, i read where you said "how can the land be for muslim no matter what" while others are given conditions?".

You don't seem to get that. Condition is intact. Conditions are to be muslims and be righteous in conduct. If Arabs fail to be muslim today, they lose the right to the Holy Land. Get that?. So again, why did you quote the part where it says the land was their forever in Genesis while you ignored where they were banned from the Land?. Attachment proves they must uphold the conditions(covenants) to be rightful owner of the Land. Those who hold on to that covenants are muslim (Palestinians in the region). Do you know better than Rabbi Weiss?

Abraham a Muslim? You're talking from the perspective of a Muslim sir.
Abraham was never a Muslim neither a Jew.
Neither Christianity, Judaism or Islam exist then.

OliviaPope:
Just as the jews desire to occupy their ancestral homeland, the muslims also desire to maintain dominance in any region they once controlled. And there lies the problem, its basically just a conflict between two schools of thought, both parties believe that the land was given to them by their gods and it would be a slap on the faces of both their gods to give it up.

This is the plain truth. Their conflict all comes down to their religions and deities.

Charlesdock:
Abraham a Muslim? You're talking from the perspective of a Muslim sir.
Abraham was never a Muslim neither a Jew.
Neither Christianity, Judaism or Islam exist then.

what was he? Quran teaches us he was a muslim..

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Empiree:
And your point is.......?. It says Palestinians have shown interest in 2-state solution contrary to your statement that they aren't interested in a 2-state solution. Israel is simply not interested in any solution

Which year did the Palestinians accept the 2 state resolution?

analize701:
Which year did the Palestinians accept the 2 state resolution?

how long were the israelites exiled by God?

Empiree:
how long were the israelites exiled by God?

Oh, so you believe they were exiled? I thought they existed before.

Arabs went behind their backs to steal land.

Thieves.

Empiree:
And your point is.......?. It says Palestinians have shown interest in 2-state solution contrary to your statement that they aren't interested in a 2-state solution. Israel is simply not interested in any solution

I was also surprised when I saw it. That one is suffering from severe lack of understanding.

analize701:
Oh, so you believe they were exiled? I thought they existed before.

[s]Arabs went behind their backs to steal land.[/s]

Thieves.

Maybe you should talk about WHY they were exiled to begin with. But if you want to say they were exiled was indication that they lived there beofre, then, you got a lot to research. They themselves met and occupied people in the Land. I have explained enough. Go back to previous pages and watch the Rabbi. It is only less than 5 minutes. I have told you before that one of the reasons they were evicted by Divine Will was bcus they rejected your god(Jesus).


When Jesus perceived that the children of Israel were bent upon disbelief, he said, "Who will be my helper in the cause of God?" Q3:52



They called your god(Jesus) bastard.



They boosted and happy they killed your god(Jesus). They called mother(Mary) of your god love pedler. They killed their prophets, the dealt riba(usury),

Chapter 4 verses 150 - 157


Indeed, those who disbelieve in Allah and His messengers and wish to discriminate between Allah and His messengers and say, "We believe in some and disbelieve in others," and wish to adopt a way in between -

Those are the disbelievers, truly. And We have prepared for the disbelievers a humiliating punishment.

But they who believe in Allah and His messengers and do not discriminate between any of them - to those He is going to give their rewards. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.

The People of the Scripture ask you to bring down to them a book from the heaven. But they had asked of Moses [even] greater than that and said, "Show us Allah outright," so the thunderbolt struck them for their wrongdoing. Then they took the calf [for worship] after clear evidences had come to them, and We pardoned that. And We gave Moses a clear authority.

And We raised over them the mount for [refusal of] their covenant; and We said to them, "Enter the gate bowing humbly", and We said to them, "Do not transgress on the sabbath", and We took from them a solemn covenant.

And [We cursed them] for their breaking of the covenant and their disbelief in the signs of Allah and their killing of the prophets without right and their saying, "Our hearts are wrapped". Rather, Allah has sealed them because of their disbelief, so they believe not, except for a few.

And [We cursed them] for their disbelief and their saying against Mary a great slander,

And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah ."........."



And finally, they were CURSED by Jesus and David {Qur'an 5:78}


Those among the Children of Israel who disbelieved were cursed by the tongue of Dawud (David) and 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary). That was because they disobeyed (Allah and the Messengers) and were ever transgressing beyond bounds. Mohsin Khan translation



Cursed were the unbelievers of the Children of Israel by the tongue of David, and Jesus, Mary's son; that, for their rebelling and their transgression. Arberry translation


Curses were pronounced on those among the Children of Israel who rejected Faith, by the tongue of David and of Jesus the son of Mary: because they disobeyed and persisted in excesses. Yusuf Ali translation


Are they not transgressing in the land again now?. They have been cursed eternally.


I know Jewry successfully brainwashed you. Aint surprised

Ranchhoddas:
I was also surprised when I saw it. That one is suffering from severe lack of understanding.

He has irrational hatred that he can't explain either. Thats why he fumbles

Empiree:
Maybe you should talk about WHY they were exiled to begin with. But if you want to say they were exiled was indication that they lived there beofre, then, you got a lot to research. They themselves met and occupied people in the Land. I have explained enough. Go back to previous pages and watch the Rabbi. It is only less than 5 minutes. I have told you before that one of the reasons they were evicted by Divine Will was bcus they rejected your god(Jesus).


When Jesus perceived that the children of Israel were bent upon disbelief, he said, "Who will be my helper in the cause of God?" Q3:52



They called your god(Jesus) bastard.



They boosted and happy they killed your god(Jesus). They called mother(Mary) of your god love pedler. They killed their prophets, the dealt riba(usury),

Chapter 4 verses 150 - 157


Indeed, those who disbelieve in Allah and His messengers and wish to discriminate between Allah and His messengers and say, "We believe in some and disbelieve in others," and wish to adopt a way in between -

Those are the disbelievers, truly. And We have prepared for the disbelievers a humiliating punishment.

But they who believe in Allah and His messengers and do not discriminate between any of them - to those He is going to give their rewards. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.

The People of the Scripture ask you to bring down to them a book from the heaven. But they had asked of Moses [even] greater than that and said, "Show us Allah outright," so the thunderbolt struck them for their wrongdoing. Then they took the calf [for worship] after clear evidences had come to them, and We pardoned that. And We gave Moses a clear authority.

And We raised over them the mount for [refusal of] their covenant; and We said to them, "Enter the gate bowing humbly", and We said to them, "Do not transgress on the sabbath", and We took from them a solemn covenant.

And [We cursed them] for their breaking of the covenant and their disbelief in the signs of Allah and their killing of the prophets without right and their saying, "Our hearts are wrapped". Rather, Allah has sealed them because of their disbelief, so they believe not, except for a few.

And [We cursed them] for their disbelief and their saying against Mary a great slander,

And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah ."........."



And finally, they were CURSED by Jesus and David {Qur'an 5:78}


Those among the Children of Israel who disbelieved were cursed by the tongue of Dawud (David) and 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary). That was because they disobeyed (Allah and the Messengers) and were ever transgressing beyond bounds. Mohsin Khan translation



Cursed were the unbelievers of the Children of Israel by the tongue of David, and Jesus, Mary's son; that, for their rebelling and their transgression. Arberry translation


Curses were pronounced on those among the Children of Israel who rejected Faith, by the tongue of David and of Jesus the son of Mary: because they disobeyed and persisted in excesses. Yusuf Ali translation


Are they not transgressing in the land again now?. They have been cursed eternally.


I know Jewry successfully brainwashed you. Aint surprised

Altiggya Master. You wish.

analize701:
Altiggya Master. You wish.

You said that when you ran out of idea. Now, help yourself

Those Jewry are thieves

Those Jewry are thieves

Empiree post =63635792:
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I like the way you have taken it. First of all, that man that identified himself as rabbi is in error about the prophecy he analysed. During the course of our discussion, I will show you what it all really mean. Also, in one of your posts, you said Jesus cursed the Jews. This is a lie (your Quran is wrong). Matt 2:21 let's us that Jesus came to save is peopl from their sin. His mission is to save not to curse. Jesus knew He was going to be crucified and prophesied it, even when He was rebuked by his disciple peter, He rebuked peter back, by because that was why He came. Mark 8:31-32. Why Jesus was on the tree before He died, He said, "And Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.” Mark 23:34.

One of the questions I asked you was, " why are all the prophets and apostles before mohammed wrong ? The quran had altered everything the Bible has. mohammed condemned what the apostle wrote even though he was not with Jesus. Jesus specifically called these ones, and they stayed with Jesus for three years plus. mohammed altered the Torah (5 books of moses).

You said Abraham was a Muslim because he was from Ur.

Now let me show you from the Bible that they were Idol worshippers. Gen. Jesus 31:26-30 Laban who also was Jacob's uncle asked Jacob for his god's. Abraham took a wife for Isaac from his family, and Isaac sent Jacob back there, so they were idolaters.
See also Gen. 35:2-4, All the servants that Jacob worshipped idols.

If therefore they were idolaters and you said what they did then was islam, then Islam is idolatry.

If you want to deny the fact that Islam is idol washipping repackaged, then, what was the religion of the ancient people of mekka mecca , how many gods do they serve in mecca, what was mohammed's grandfather's name and what was his job. YAWEH IS NOT Allah.

jeruzi:
I like the way you have taken it. In one of your posts, you said Jesus cursed the Jews. This is a lie (your Quran is wrong). Matt 2:21 let's us that Jesus came to save is peopl from their sin. His mission is to save not to curse. Jesus knew He was going to be crucified and prophesied it, even when He was rebuked by his disciple peter, He rebuked peter back, by because that was why He came. Mark 8:31-32. Why Jesus was on the tree before He died, He said, "And Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.” Mark 23:34.

According to our Book, Jesus cursed them. That's apparent today. Anyone cursed is bound to misbehave. So you can see today. They are hellbent on killing spree.

One of the questions I asked you was, " why are all the prophets and apostles before mohammed wrong ? The quran had altered everything the Bible has. mohammed condemned what the apostle wrote even though he was not with Jesus. Jesus specifically called these ones, and they stayed with Jesus for three years plus. mohammed altered the Torah (5 books of moses).

Nope, all prophets and messangers before prophet Muhammad(s) were upright. It is your so called holy Book that corrupted their teachings. It is Bible writers that altered the Bible. For Instance, Luke 1:2 Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word;


another verse reads: 'How can you say, "We are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely? Jer 8:8

That's just few. I got more. As for Torah, that's Muhammad too?. Let's see the death and burial Moses(p), Deut 34:5-7


"So Moses, the Eternal’s servant, died there in the land of Moab, just as the Eternal had said. He buried him in a valley in the land of Moab, opposite Beth-peor, but to this day no one knows where his grave is. Moses was 120 years old when he died, but his eyesight hadn’t failed and his strength hadn’t diminished"


To you, does this sounds like God is speaking?. The writer even suggested pre-verse that it was God who came down to bury Moses. That's blasphemy of the highest order. So did prophet Muhammad(p) tamper Torah?. You dont even know how to lie my friend.

You said Abraham was a Muslim because he was from Ur.

No, not bcus he was from Ur. He was muslim, period. Quran says: "Ibrahim (Abraham) was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was a true Muslim Hanifa (Islamic Monotheism - to worship none but Allah Alone) and he was not of Al-Mushrikun(polytheists). (See V.2:105).

Now let me show you from the Bible that they were Idol worshippers. Gen. Jesus 31:26-30 Laban who also was Jacob's uncle asked Jacob for his god's. Abraham took a wife for Isaac from his family, and Isaac sent Jacob back there, so they were idolaters.
See also Gen. 35:2-4, All the servants that Jacob squired worship idols.

This is just one of the many corruptions in your Bible. This can be self defeat logically.

If Abraham was idolator, how come he is father of faith as you people like to call it or so called "Abrahamic religions" called monotheism?. The implication of what you said is that Judaism and Christianity are PAGANISM. My friend, you see why muslims can never take you people serious?. You see why Holy Land can never belong to Jews if they could made up lies like these and attributed to him?. So you can see from verse of Quran above, God cleared him of that nonsense called polytheism. Abraham was God's friend. Polytheism was the opposite. Only those on Abraham's faith are entitled to the Home Land.

If therefore they were idolaters and you said what they did then was islam, then Islam is idolatry.

It is your religion and judaism that are pagans not Abraham, not islam.

If you want to deny the fact that Islam is idol washipping repackaged, then, what was the religion of the ancient people of mekka mecca , how many gods do they serve in mecca, what was mohammed's grandfather's name and what was his job. YAWEH IS NOT Allah.

Religion preached to them by Abraham was tawheed - Oneness of God. Pure Islamic monotheism. But after their prophets gone, they started worshipping idols and corrupted the religion. That's why prophet Muhammad was sent to bring them back to the right part, the part of Abraham. That's pure islamic monotheosm

It is only a question of time. Jerusalem as a whole belong to Israel. It is the undivided capital of Israel.

Deprofessional:
It is only a question of time. Jerusalem as a whole belong to Israel. It is the undivided capital of Israel.

Carry am go give them na.

[quote author=Empiree post=63669514][/quote]You religion is funny. I never told you Abraham was a pagan. Abraham served the living God, He passed the worship on to his descendants Isaac, Jacob, Israel. God Himself Identified with them as the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. No where did He ever call himself the God of Esau, nor Ishmael. Your mohammed acknowdge Him as the God of Abraham, Isaac, Jecob, Israel (nation), but the Holy Bible never for ones acknowledged Him as the God of Esau nor Ishmael.
In fact, the surrounding nations were pagans, the entire world was given to pagan worship at that time, which included mecca, canaanites, philistin,e etc.
Listen, mecca before mohammed worshipped over 360 gods. mohammed came from the tribe of quraysh who worshipped hubal.
Hubal was considered in mecca as the greatest of the god, and mohammed's family was the custodian of the hubal.
The gods of the region were referred to as ilah, while hubal was refered to as Al-ilah (the lord)= allah.

[quote author=Empiree post=63662923][/quote]The interpretation of Jer.8:8, is not that of changing the Torah but of wrong interpretation of the Torah, and disobedience to the law. In Mal. 4:4, God told the people of Israel to remember the law of moses. If it were erroneous, God would not have told them to remember it years aftet the prophet Jeremiah whom you quoted. the original manuscripts are well preserved.
If you study that same book of Jer. From chapter 7 to 10, you will see that it was a clear case of disobedience. Also Ezra read the law to the people Neh 8, 13-14, and 18.
To confirm this to you, Jesus talking abou the teachers of Israel in His time on earth: 2) Saying, the scribes and the pharisees sit in moses' seat:
3) All therefore whatevere they bid you to observe, that observe and do; but do not you after their works: for they say and do not.
4) For they bined heavy burdens and grievous to be borne; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers. Matt. 23:2-4