1. Words that are not in the Bible may not be used as the basis for explaining central doctrinal beliefs.

2. Using mathematics to describe concepts that when stated clearly defy the laws of mathematics is not allowed.

3. A belief or doctrine may not contain within itself ideas that contradict each other.

4. The word “fully” should be used only in the sense of “100%,” or “completely.” Any other usage of the word defies the English language. Using the word in the first place means the person accepts the standards of English, and it is not allowed that they later defy them.

5. Words may not be created to describe biblical ideas; the Bible provides the words and the ideas.

6. A belief may not be claimed to be so obvious that it is not even mentioned in the Bible, then said to be a central tenet of faith.

7. Defense of a belief should not be based on a verse that is only translated as a defense in a certain version of the Bible. The verse should also not be used if it is shown to be an addition by later writers to the original text.

8. A belief must not be formed through a filter of “the necessity of mystery.” God did not reveal the Word that people should be confused.

9. A belief may not be expounded solely from one book or area of the Bible while the rest offers it no support. Context means the entire Bible, not just the passage of interest.

10. A belief should answer more questions than it raises, biblically speaking.

11. A belief should be congruent with the Old Testament and the New Testament.

12. People should understand what they state as their belief; a book or another person is not a valid “understanding” of what a person believes.

13. Evangelism should not hide the true nature of the belief that is expressed. A person should come to salvation based on a full understanding of what the evangelizer is saying. A person is not to be brought to salvation by one standard, then later shown a more “complete” understanding that is claimed to be essential.

Omo Alata: Has your fever gone down frosbel?

frosbel:

Fever ke

Just a continuation of my ministry .

okeyxyz: It's a good thing you stated: "Theological Debate", not "Spiritual Debate".

musKeeto:
cos in theology, these rules apply.

In a spiritual debate on the other hand, defying logic and raping commonsense would be the order of the day..

musKeeto: Acts 17
16 While Paul was waiting for them in Athens, he was greatly distressed to see that the city was full of idols. 17 So he reasoned in the synagogue with both Jews and God-fearing Greeks, as well as in the marketplace day by day with those who happened to be there. 18 A group of Epicurean and Stoic philosophers began to debate with him. Some of them asked, “What is this babbler trying to say?” Others remarked, “He seems to be advocating foreign gods.” They said this because Paul was preaching the good news about Jesus and the resurrection. 19 Then they took him and brought him to a meeting of the Areopagus, where they said to him, “May we know what this new teaching is that you are presenting? 20 You are bringing some strange ideas to our ears, and we would like to know what they mean.” 21 (All the Athenians and the foreigners who lived there spent their time doing nothing but talking about and listening to the latest ideas.

T[b]he Bible makes no reference to spiritual debates. The Apostles won people over by their convictionas and ability to preach the gospel in a clear manner.[/b]

Pastor Kun: On second thoughts I think Frosbel needs to be encouraged to fight the heretic trinity doctrine. There is something very wrong with the way a lot of brethen are holding on to this false doctrine that as been debunked time and time again. I wonder what kind of spirit is encouraging brethen to hold on to something that is so glaringly false and even by there own admission is not relevant to their salvation.

Enigma: No matter what the "anti-Trinitarians" say {and we know the spirit behind their "fight"}, the following truths taught in the Bible have never, can never and will never be "debunked".

1. God is ONE
2. God The Father is God
3. God The Son is God; and
4. God The Holy Spirit is God.

Enigma: No matter what the "anti-Trinitarians" say {and we know the spirit behind their "fight"}, the following truths taught in the Bible have never, can never and will never be "debunked".

1. God is ONE
2. God The Father is God
3. God The Son is God; and
4. God The Holy Spirit is God.

Enigma: ^^^^ Does the virgin birth conform with your understanding of "logic"?

Is the virgin birth nonsense?

Enigma: ^^^^ Does the virgin birth conform with your understanding of "logic"?

Is the virgin birth nonsense?

frosbel:

Indeed it does make sense, it's in the bible.

The angel answered, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God - Luke 1:35

Remember rule No.6.

6. A belief may not be claimed to be so obvious that it is not even mentioned in the Bible, then said to be a central tenet of faith.

frosbel:

God is ONE and then he is THREE.

If this does not defy logic then logic does not exist.

Yet we know that God is the author of Logic for he created the brain to reason, analyse and decide.

To our horror we are told, forget about the brain, just believe in a 3god god even if it does not make sense.

I say NAY.

If it does not make sense, it is nonsense.

Enigma:


So you don't even know the meaning of "logic"; you are just throwing around words all over the place!

okeyxyz:

To analyze it logically
If Tom Harry "begats" children, are his children not Harrys? Yes, there is one Harry & there are many Harrys.
God is Spirit, So whoever operates by that spirit is God.
God is both a person and a Specie.

frosbel:

God is ONE Spirit, not 2 Spirits.

Stop dividing GOD .


Jesus is not GOD , he is the SON of GOD, to make the SON also GOD tears down reason and throws logic into the bin.

God is a God of logic and reason.

Enigma: No matter what the "anti-Trinitarians" say {and we know the spirit behind their "fight"}, the following truths taught in the Bible have never, can never and will never be "debunked".

1. God is ONE
2. God The Father is God
3. God The Son is God; and
4. God The Holy Spirit is God.

Enigma:


To feed five thousand with just five loaves and two fishes "tears down reason and throws logic into the bin"!

How can a "God of logic and reason" do that?

frosbel:

God is ONE Spirit, not 2 Spirits.

Stop dividing GOD .


Jesus is not GOD , he is the SON of GOD, to make the SON also GOD tears down reason and throws logic into the bin.

God is a God of logic and reason.

okeyxyz:

It is the Holy_Spirit that makes God a Specie. It is by this spirit that He "begat" Jesus, thus he is the "First Begotten". The son of God is God. Simple. Why would Jesus use the reference "My Father"? Why is "My God" not enough?? Was it not for this reference "My Father" that the Jews wanted to stone him??

okeyxyz:

It is the Holy_Spirit that makes God a Specie. It is by this spirit that He "begat" Jesus, thus he is the "First Begotten". The son of God is God. Simple. Why would Jesus use the reference "My Father"? Why is "My God" not enough?? Was it not for this reference "My Father" that the Jews wanted to stone him??

okeyxyz:

Theology is simply an academic study of religion. It tries to evaluate religion through cultural & historical systems. It provides a good level of validity, but like i said: it's only academic and therefore limited to reference purposes only. But spirituality provides the true message of such documents, it is a decoder and gives insight on how to apply these messages to your personal & social lives.

It is also a common fallacy that spirituality "defies logic and commonsense" as you put it. This is absolute nonsense, The fact that some(most) people fail to understand a spiritual concept does not invalidate the truth of such a concept(I speak as a christian). To the best of my knowledge, I'm yet to come across a spiritual message in the bible that is illogical and against natural law. The foolishness is when christians & anti-christians choose to follow allegories & parables in a literal manner.

frosbel:

evidence supporting God's mighty Power.

evidence young man, show me the evidence of the Trinity from Genesis to Revelation, I want evidence that GOD is 3.