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chrisbaxtian:
so sad. See how far you have fallen. What a shame

Falling from myth and fable is great!

Ubenedictus:
what about Jesus, do you still hold the new testament?

Not so sure!

MrPresident1:
Frosbel2, who are the Jews?

The Jews!

Ferisidowu:
lol frosbel2 again!? anyways I know you love feeding people with wrong information and doctrines ..... you claimed that Jews don't accept Jesus and happy deluding yourself...

anyways let me educate you as always,

1) not all Jews don't accept Jesus....
have you heard of Messianic Jews... they aren't Christians ooo yet they accept Jesus as Messiah.. they even affirm the Trinity (Wikipedia is your friend)

Messianic Jews my foot.Youre either a jew or a xtian.

frosbel2:
The Jews!

The Israelis?

tartar9:
"The Jews say, The Christians have no ground to stand on, and the Christians
say, The Jews have no ground to stand on. Yet they both recite the Book, and
those who have no knowledge say the same; God will judge between them on
the Day of Resurrection concerning their disputes." Quran(2:114)


"O people of the Book! now hath come unto you making (things) clear unto you
Our Apostle after the break in (the series of) Our apostles lest ye should say:
there came unto us no bringer of glad tidings and no warner (from evil): but
now hath come unto you a bringer of glad tidings and a warner (from evil): and
Allah hath power over all things." Quran(5:19)

Are you talking about "prophet" Sex Award Winner (SAW) ?

The man who inspired genocide, child marriage and all sorts of evil? Prison and Beatings Be Upon Him (PBUH)

That illiterate slowpoke has nothing to do with this discussion.

The false entity known as "Satan We Trust" (SWT) has nothing to do with either Christianity or Judaism.

frosbel2:
Not so sure!

OK,

then what do you believe?


if I were to discuss religion or anything religious with you then what will be my starting point?

there is a God, I get that, then what next?

I'm asking, what do you believe? what stuff are you figuring out?



you're not giving me much.

sonmvayina:
We are still in the roman era, the Messiah is going to come at the end of the roman era, study Daniel 7,

All the other empire and era where describe using animals or beast, to show their savagery to mankind, but the last was described using a man, which the Messiah represents....

He will usher in an era of peace...as isaiah prophesied "they will hammer their swords into plough shares and learn of war no more"

oh dear!


sonmvayina how would you describe yourself religion wise. what is your belief called... so I'll know what I'm responding to.

goestohell:
[s]
Are you talking about "prophet" Sex Award Winner (SAW) ?

The man who inspired genocide, child marriage and all sorts of evil? Prison and Beatings Be Upon Him (PBUH)

That illiterate slowpoke has nothing to do with this discussion.

The false entity known as "Satan We Trust" (SWT) has nothing to do with either Christianity or Judaism.[/s]

Shut up dere!











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EX 17:13 With the Lord's approval, Joshua mows
down Amalek and his people.
EX 21:20-21 With the Lord's approval, a slave
may be beaten to death with no punishment for
the perpetrator as long as the slave doesn't die
too quickly.
EX 32:27 "Put every man his sword by his side,
and go in and out from gate to gate throughout
the camp, and slay every man his brother, and
every man his companion, and every man his
neighbor.
EX 32:27-29 With the Lord's approval, the
Israelites slay 3000 men.
LE 26:7-8 The Lord promises the Israelites that, if
they are obedient, their enemies will "fall before
your sword."
LE 26:22 "I will also send wild beasts among you,
which shall rob you of your children."
LE 26:29 , DT 28:53 , JE 19:9 , EZ 5:8-10 As a
punishment, the Lord will cause people to eat the
flesh of their own sons and daughters and fathers
and friends.
LE 27:29 Human sacrifice is condoned. (Note: An
example is given in JG 11:30-39 )
NU 11:33 The Lord smites the people with a great
plague.
NU 12:1-10 God makes Miriam a leper for seven
days because she and Aaron had spoken against
Moses.
NU 15:32-36 A Sabbath breaker (who had
gathered sticks for a fire) is stoned to death at
the Lord's command.
NU 16:27-33 The Lord causes the earth to open
and swallow up the men and their households
(including wives and children) because the men
had been rebellious.
NU 16:35 A fire from the Lord consumes 250
men.
NU 16:49 A plague from the Lord kills 14,700
people.
NU 21:3 The Israelites utterly destroy the
Canaanites.
NU 21:6 Fiery serpents, sent by the Lord, kill
many Israelites.
NU 21:35 With the Lord's approval, the Israelites
slay Og "... and his sons and all his people, until
there was not one survivor left ...."
NU 25:4 (KJV) "And the Lord said unto Moses,
take all the heads of the people, and hang them
up before the Lord against the sun ...."
NU 25:8 "He went after the man of Israel into the
tent, and thrust both of them through, the man of
Israel, and the woman through her belly."
NU 25:9 24,000 people die in a plague from the
Lord.
NU 31:9 The Israelites capture Midianite women
and children.
NU 31:17-18 Moses, following the Lord's
command, orders the Israelites to kill all the
Midianite male children and "... every woman who
has known man ...." (Note: How would it be
determined which women had known men? One
can only speculate.)
NU 31:31-40 32,000 virgins are taken by the
Israelites as booty. Thirty-two are set aside (to
be sacrificed?) as a tribute for the Lord.
DT 2:33-34 The Israelites utterly destroy the men,
women, and children of Sihon.
DT 3:6 The Israelites utterly destroy the men,
women, and children of Og.
DT 7:2 The Lord commands the Israelites to
"utterly destroy" and show "no mercy" to those
whom he gives them for defeat.
DT 20:13-14 "When the Lord delivers it into your
hand, put to the sword all the males .... As for
the women, the children, the livestock and
everything else in the city, you may take these as
plunder for yourselves."
DT 20:16 "In the cities of the nations the Lord is
giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive
anything that breathes."
DT 21:10-13 With the Lord's approval, the
Israelites are allowed to take "beautiful women"
from the enemy camp to be their captive wives.
If, after sexual relations, the husband has "no
delight" in his wife, he can simply let her go.
DT 28:53 "You will eat the fruit of the womb, the
flesh of the sons and daughters the Lord your
God has given you."
JS 1:1-9 , 18 Joshua receives the Lord's blessing
for all the bloody endeavors to follow.
JS 6:21-27 With the Lord's approval, Joshua
destroys the city of Jericho--men, women, and
children--with the edge of the sword.
JS 7:19-26 Achan, his children and his cattle are
stoned to death because Achan had taken a
taboo thing.
JS 8:22-25 With the Lord's approval, Joshua
utterly smites the people of Ai, killing 12,000 men
and women, so that there were none who
escaped.
JS 10:10-27 With the help of the Lord, Joshua
utterly destroys the Gibeonites.
JS 10:28 With the Lord's approval, Joshua utterly
destroys the people of Makkedah.
JS 10:30 With the Lord's approval, Joshua utterly
destroys the Libnahites.
JS 10:32-33 With the Lord's approval, Joshua
utterly destroys the people of Lachish.
JS 10:34-35 With the Lord's approval, Joshua
utterly destroys the Eglonites.
JS 10:36-37 With the Lord's approval, Joshua
utterly destroys the Hebronites.
JS 10:38-39 With the Lord's approval, Joshua
utterly destroys the Debirites.
JS 10:40 (A summary statement.) "So Joshua
defeated the whole land ...; he left none
remaining, but destroyed all that breathed, as the
Lord God of Israel commanded."
JS 11:6 The Lord orders horses to be hamstrung.
(Exceedingly cruel.)
JS 11:8-15 "And the lord gave them into the hand
of Israel, ...utterly destroying them; there was
none left that breathed ...."
JS 11:20 "For it was the Lord's doing to harden
their hearts that they should come against Israel
in battle, in order that they should be utterly
destroyed, and should receive no mercy but be
exterminated, as the Lord commanded Moses."
JS 11:21-23 Joshua utterly destroys the Anakim.
JG 1:4 With the Lord's support, Judah defeats
10,000 Canaanites at Bezek.
JG 1:6 With the Lord's approval, Judah pursues
Adoni-bezek, catches him, and cuts off his
thumbs and big toes.
JG 1:8 With the Lord's approval, Judah smites
Jerusalem.
JG 1:17 With the Lord's approval, Judah and
Simeon utterly destroy the Canaanites who
inhabited Zephath.
JG 3:29 The Israelites kill about 10,000 Moabites.
JG 3:31 (A restatement.) Shamgar killed 600
Philistines with an oxgoad.
JG 4:21 Jael takes a tent stake and hammers it
through the head of Sisera, fastening it to the
ground.
JG 7:19-25 The Gideons defeat the Midianites,
slay their princes, cut off their heads, and bring
the heads back to Gideon.
JG 8:15-21 The Gideons slaughter the men of
Penuel.
JG 9:5 Abimalech murders his brothers.
JG 9:45 Abimalech and his men kill all the people
in the city.
JG 9:53-54 "A woman dropped a stone on his
head and cracked his skull. Hurriedly he called to
his armor-bearer, 'Draw your sword and kill me,
so that they can't say a woman killed me.' So his
servant ran him through, and he died."
JG 11:29-39 Jepthah sacrifices his beloved
daughter, his only child, according to a vow he
has made with the Lord.
JG 14:19 The Spirit of the Lord comes upon a
man and causes him to slay thirty men.
JG 15:15 Samson slays 1000 men with the
jawbone of an ass.
JG 16:21 The Philistines gouge out Samson's
eyes.
JG 16:27-30 Samson, with the help of the Lord,
pulls down the pillars of the Philistine house and
causes his own death and that of 3000 other men
and women.
JG 18:27 The Danites slay the quiet and
unsuspecting people of Laish.
JG 19:22-29 A group of sexual depraved men
beat on the door of an old man's house
demanding that he turn over to them a male
house guest. Instead, the old man offers his
virgin daughter and his guest's concubine (or
wife): "Behold, here are my virgin daughter and
his concubine; let me bring them out now. Ravish
them and do with them what seems good to you;
but against this man do not do so vile a thing."
The man's concubine is ravished and dies. The
man then cuts her body into twelve pieces and
sends one piece to each of the twelve tribes of
Israel.
JG 20:43-48 The Israelites smite 25,000+ "men of
valor" from amongst the Benjamites, "men and
beasts and all that they found," and set their
towns on fire.
JG 21:10-12 "... Go and smite the inhabitants of
Jabesh-gilead with the edge of the sword and;
also the women and little ones.... every male and
every woman that has lain with a male you shall
utterly destroy." They do so and find four hundred
young virgins whom they bring back for their own
use.
1SA 4:10 The Philistines slay 30,000 Israelite foot
soldiers.
1SA 5:6-9 The Lord afflicts the Philistines with
tumors in their "secret parts," presumably for
having stolen the Ark.
1SA 6:19 God kills seventy men (or so) for
looking into the Ark (at him?). (Note: The early
Israelites apparently thought the Ark to be God's
abode.)
1SA 7:7-11 Samuel and his men smite the
Philistines.
1SA 11:11 With the Lord's blessing, Saul and his
men cut down the Ammonites.
1SA 14:31 Jonathan and his men strike down the
Philistines.
1SA 14:48 Saul smites the Amalekites.
1SA 15:3 , 7-8 "This is what the Lord says: Now
go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that
they have; do not spare them, but kill both man
and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep,
camel and ass ....' And Saul ... utterly destroyed
all the people with the edge of the sword."
1SA 15:33 "Samuel hewed Agag in pieces before
the Lord ...."
1SA 18:7 The women sing as they make merry:
"Saul has slain his thousands and David his ten
thousands."
1SA 27:8-11 "David left neither man nor woman
alive ....". (Note: This implies that children and
infants were included in the slaughter.)
1SA 30:17 David smites the Amalekites.
2SA 2:23 Abner kills Asahel.
2SA 3:30 Joab and Abishai kill Abner.
2SA 4:7-8 Rechan and Baanah kill Ish-bosheth,
behead him, and take his head to David.
2SA 4:12 David has Rechan and Baanah killed,
their hands and feet cut off, and their bodies
hanged by the pool at Hebron.
2SA 5:25 "And David did as the Lord commanded
him, and smote the Philistines ...."
2SA 6:2-23 Because she rebuked him for having
exposed himself, Michal (David's wife) was barren
throughout her life.
2SA 8:1-18 (A listing of some of David's
murderous conquests.)
2SA 8:4 David hamstrung all but a few of the
horses.
2SA 8:5 David slew 22,000 Syrians.
2SA 8:6 , 14 "The Lord gave victory to David
wherever he went."
2SA 8:13 David slew 18,000 Edomites in the
valley of salt and made the rest slaves.
2SA 10:18 David slew 47,000+ Syrians.
2SA 11:14-27 David has Uriah killed so that he
can marry Uriah's wife, Bathsheba.
2SA 12:1 , 19 The Lord strikes David's child dead
for the sin that David has committed.
2SA 13:1-15 Amnon loves his sister Tamar, rapes
her, then hates her.
2SA 13:28-29 Absalom has Amnon murdered.
2SA 18:6 -7 20,000 men are slaughtered at the
battle in the forest of Ephraim.
2SA 18:15 Joab's men murder Absalom.
2SA 20:10-12 Joab's men murder Amasa and
leave him "... wallowing in his own blood in the
highway. And anyone who came by, seeing him,
stopped."
2SA 24:15 The Lord sends a pestilence on Israel
that kills 70,000 men.
1KI 2:24-25 Solomon has Adonijah murdered.
1KI 2:29-34 Solomon has Joab murdered.
1KI 2:46 Solomon has Shime-i murdered.
1KI 13:15-24 A man is killed by a lion for eating
bread and drinking water in a place where the
Lord had previously told him not to. This is in
spite of the fact that the man had subsequently
been lied to by a prophet who told the man that
an angel of the Lord said that it would be alright
to eat and drink there.
1KI 20:29-30 The Israelites smite 100,000 Syrian
soldiers in one day. A wall falls on 27,000
remaining Syrians.
2KI 1:10-12 Fire from heaven comes down and
consumes fifty men.
2KI 2:23-24 Forty-two children are mauled and
killed, presumably according to the will of God,
for having jeered at a man of God.
2KI 5:27 Elisha curses Gehazi and his
descendants forever with leprosy.
2KI 6:18-19 The Lord answers Elisha's prayer and
strikes the Syrians with blindness. Elisha tricks
the blind Syrians and leads them to Samaria.
2KI 6:29 "So we cooked my son and ate him. The
next day I said to her, 'Give up your son so we
may eat him,' but she had hidden him."
2KI 9:24 Jehu tricks and murders Joram.
2KI 9:27 Jehu has Ahaziah killed.
2KI 9:30-37 Jehu has Jezebel killed. Her body is
trampled by horses. Dogs eat her flesh so that
only her skull, feet, and the palms of her hands
remain.
2KI 10:7 Jehu has Ahab's seventy sons beheaded,
then sends the heads to their father.
2KI 10:14 Jehu has forty-two of Ahab's kin killed.
2KI 10:17 "And when he came to Samaria, he
slew all that remained to Ahab in Samaria, till he
had wiped them out, according to the word of the
Lord ...."
2KI 10:19-27 Jehu uses trickery to massacre the
Baal worshippers.
2KI 11:1 Athaliah destroys all the royal family.
2KI 14:5 , 7 Amaziah kills his servants and then
10,000 Edomites.
2KI 15:3-5 Even though he did what was right in
the eyes of the Lord, the Lord smites Azariah with
leprosy for not having removed the "high places."
2KI 15:16 Menahem ripped open all the women
who were pregnant.
2KI 19:35 An angel of the Lord kills 185,000 men.
1CH 20:3 (KJV) "And he brought out the people
that were in it, and cut them with saws, and with
harrows of iron, and with axes."
2CH 13:17 500,000 Israelites are slaughtered.
2CH 21:4 Jehoram slays all his brothers.
PS 137:9 Happy will be the man who dashes your
little ones against the stones.
PS 144:1 God is praised as the one who trains
hands for war and fingers for battle.
IS 13:15 "Everyone who is captured will be thrust
through; all who are caught will fall by the
sword. Their infants will be dashed to pieces
before their eyes; their ... wives will be ravished."
IS 13:18 "Their bows also shall dash the young
men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the
fruit of the womb; their eye shall not spare
children."
IS 14:21-22 "Prepare slaughter for his children for
the iniquity of their fathers."
IS 49:26 The Lord will cause the oppressors of
the Israelite's to eat their own flesh and to
become drunk on their own blood as with wine.
JE 16:4 "They shall die grievous deaths; they
shall not be lamented; neither shall they be
buried; but they shall be as dung upon the face
of the earth: and they shall be consumed by the
sword, and by famine; and their carcasses shall
be meat for the fowls of heaven, and for the
beasts of the earth."
LA 4:9-10 "Those slain by the sword are better off
than those who die of famine; racked with
hunger, they waste away for lack of food. ...
pitiful women have cooked their own children,
who became their food ..."
EZ 6:12-13 The Lord says: "... they will fall by the
sword, famine and plague. He that is far away
will die of the plague, and he that is near will fall
by the sword, and he that survives and is spared
will die of famine. So will I spend my wrath upon
them. And they will know I am the Lord, when the
people lie slain among their idols around their
altars, on every high hill and on all the
mountaintops, under every spreading tree and
every leafy oak ...."
EZ 9:4-6 The Lord commands: "... slay old men
outright, young men and maidens, little children
and women ...."
EZ 20:26 In order that he might horrify them, the
Lord allowed the Israelites to defile themselves
through, amongst other things, the sacrifice of
their first-born children.
EZ 21:3-4 The Lord says that he will cut off both
the righteous and the wicked that his sword shall
go against all flesh.
EZ 23:25 , 47 God is going to slay the sons and
daughters of those who were whores.
EZ 23:34 "You shall ... pluck out your hair, and
tear your breasts."
HO 13:16 "They shall fall by the sword: their
infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their
women with child shall be ripped up."
MI 3:2-3 "... who pluck off their skin ..., and their
flesh from off their bones; Who also eat the flesh
of my people, and flay their skin from off them;
and they break their bones, and chop them in
pieces, as for the pot, and as flesh within the
caldron."
MT 3:12 , 8:12 , 10:21 , 13:30 , 42, 22:13 , 24:51 ,
25:30 , LK 13:28 , JN 5:24 Some will spend eternity
burning in Hell. There will be weeping, wailing and
gnashing of teeth.
MT 10:21 "... the brother shall deliver up his
brother to death, and the father his child, ...
children shall rise up against their parents, and
cause them to be put to death."
MT 10:35-36 "For I have come to turn a man
against his father, a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law a
man's enemies will be the members of his own
family."
MT 11:21-24 Jesus curses [the inhabitants of]
three cities who were not sufficiently impressed
with his great works.
AC 13:11 Paul purposefully blinds a man (though
not permanently).

....his followers continued his work,making daddy proud murdering millions in his name throughout the course of history

Ubenedictus:
oh dear!


sonmvayina how would you describe yourself religion wise. what is your belief called... so I'll know what I'm responding to.

I don't subscribe to any religion, I just have the knowledge of God...so I don't perish..

I know what I am supposed to know...

sonmvayina:
I don't subscribe to any religion, I just have the knowledge of God...so I don't perish..

I know what I am supposed to know...

this just makes it harder for me to get your point of view.
OK
what do you believe?

Ubenedictus:
this just makes it harder for me to get your point of view.
OK
what do you believe?

I know(believe) there are Gods, but one creator of the heavens and the earth. He is known by different names depending on the culture, me as an igbo man calls him chineke..which means the one that creates...this God, which I call the most high God is not a MAN or a human being.
He created everything from nothing and spread his spirit to all his creatures.

So, he is both the creation and the creator..

So therefore, man is God on a human journey..i believe we are divine beings, just like the Apolo astronaut that needs a special suit to walk on the moon, God spirit needs a special suit (body) to live on earth which also like the moon is floating in the sky...

So this our flesh and blood(body) is the special vehicle or suit the spirit needs to experience life on earth....

Got it?

Researching the scriptures makes it very obvious that the prophesies showed that the reason for choosing nation of Israel was for a greater arrangement to benefit all the nations.

What the apostle taught was based on the OT, hence Christianity is derived from the OT of the Jewish religion.

Acts 2:22-41

"22“Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus the Naz·a·reneʹ was a man publicly shown to you by God through powerful works and wonders and signs that God did through him in your midst, just as you yourselves know.23This man, who was handed over by the determined will and foreknowledge of God, you fastened to a stake by the hand of lawless men, and you did away with him.24But God resurrected him by releasing him from the pangs of death, because it was not possible for him to be held fast by it.25 For David says about him: ‘I keep Jehovah constantly in front of me, for he is at my right hand that I may never be shaken.26On this account my heart became cheerful and my tongue rejoiced greatly. And I will reside in hope;27because you will not leave me in the Grave, nor will you allow your loyal one to see corruption.28You have made life’s ways known to me; you will fill me with great joy in your presence.’29“Men, brothers, it is permissible to speak with freeness of speech to you about the family head David, that he died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day.30Because he was a prophet and knew that God had sworn to him with an oath that he would seat one of his offspring on his throne,31he foresaw and spoke about the resurrection of the Christ, that neither was he forsaken in the Grave nor did his flesh see corruption.32God resurrected this Jesus, and of this we are all witnesses.33Therefore, because he was exalted to the right hand of God and received the promised holy spirit from the Father, he has poured out what you see and hear.34For David did not ascend to the heavens, but he himself says, ‘Jehovah said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand 35 until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.”’36Therefore, let all the house of Israel know for a certainty that God made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you executed on a stake.”

Peter was only saying the things prophesied in the OT and so was apostle paul.

Lack of all the facts can be disastrous. Half knowledge is dangerous.

Those Prophet were honest men that were not projecting their ideologies.

Psalms 16:8-10

keep Jehovah before me constantly. Because he is at my right hand, I will never be shaken. 9 So my heart rejoices, my whole being is joyful.And I reside in security. 10 For you will not leave me in the Grave. You will not allow your loyal one to see the pit

There are so so many prophesies in the OT concerning Jesus Christ and they all fulfilled in him that it is impossible for it to be denied.

Christianity is a set of people that set out to follow Jesus Christ and do the things he said and commanded his chosen apostles to do.

This apostles went all the way to verify and show that Jesus is the Christ.

The truth however is that Christianity has been turned into a man institution with extent rules and regulations foreign to what was initiated and other than what it was supposed to be > Followers of Christ.

Followers of Christ were to do what Christ did, Christ campaigned and preached about the Kingdom Of God and nothing other than that, unfortunately, Today, this institutions calling themselves Christians seldom if at all mention the Kingdom of God. Rather, they preach material prosperity. A doctrine alien to the preaching of Christ and his apostles, They Apostles preached the Kingdom of God as well.

It is things like this that erodes confidence in the churches of this last days, they have deviated from the part.

Frosbel2, That the most of the modern day Jews do not accept Jesus Christ as the Messiah is not surprising nor is it an issue, for Jesus himself first rejected them.

And the modern Jewish nation no longer have a God anointed king as it was in the days that the almighty Yahweh was ruling amongst them.

Today, the nation of Israel have a man appointed king/president/prime minister gotten through democracy, Yahweh was not doing democracy to appoint the kings he appointed to rule over them as seen from his modus-operandi or mode of doing things with Israel in the OT.

The Israel of today is an INDEPENDENT nation.

Hence, the Israel of today can hardly be qualify to be the yard stick to measure the entity called Jesus the Christ.

Peace.

truthislight:
Frosbel2, That the most of the modern day Jews do not accept Jesus Christ as the Messiah is not surprising nor is it an issue, for Jesus himself first rejected them.

And the modern Jewish nation no longer have a God anointed king as it was in the days that the almighty Yahweh was ruling amongst them.

Today, the nation of Israel have a man appointed king/president/prime minister gotten through democracy, Yahweh was not doing democracy to appoint the kings he appointed to rule over them as seen from his modus-operandi or mode of doing things with Israel in the OT.

The Israel of today is an INDEPENDENT nation.

Hence, the Israel of today can hardly be qualify to be the yard stick to measure the entity called Jesus the Christ.

Peace.

FALSE.

God promised in Holy Scripture that he will never ever forsake his own People.

"I will be his father, and he will be my son. When he does wrong, I will punish him with a rod wielded by men, with floggings inflicted by human hands. But my love will never be taken away from him, as I took it away from Saul, whom I removed from before you. Your house and your kingdom will endure forever before me[b]; your throne will be established forever.’” - 2 Samuel 7:14-16

"For I am with you and will save you," says the LORD. "I will completely destroy the nations where I have scattered you, but I will not completely destroy you. I will discipline you, but with justice; I cannot let you go unpunished." - Jeremiah 30:11

That is not true. The jews believes Jesus bit not 100%. The same is applicable to Jeremiah, Isaiah and some other prophet. Isaiah declare in 53:1
Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the Lord revealed?

The jews that believe Jesus were the first apostles then the Grecian.

The has it recorded that they (jews) that were scattered abroad went about preaching the gospel.

I dont know where you dig up your falacy

frosbel2:
FALSE.

God promised in Holy Scripture that he will never ever forsake his own People.

"I will be his father, and he will be my son. When he does wrong, I will punish him with a rod wielded by men, with floggings inflicted by human hands. But my love will never be taken away from him, as I took it away from Saul, whom I removed from before you. Your house and your kingdom will endure forever before me[b]; your throne will be established forever.’” - 2 Samuel 7:14-16

"For I am with you and will save you," says the LORD. "I will completely destroy the nations where I have scattered you, but I will not completely destroy you. I will discipline you, but with justice; I cannot let you go unpunished." - Jeremiah 30:11

Please Frosbel, the Israel of the Bible in the OT has the following as their Government:

Isaiah 33:22

22 For Jehovah is our Judge,Jehovah is our Lawgiver,Jehovah is our King;He is the One who will save us.
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Jehovah constituted the THREE (3) ARM OF GOVERNMENT IN ISRAEL OF OLD.
Please, can your democratically independent nation of Israel today be said to be the same as what is written above?
No!

Israel today is a secular nation and nothing like what it use to be.

And that ^^^^ that has nothing with you shouting whatever you want.

Interesting read

frosbel2:
FALSE.

God promised in Holy Scripture that he will never ever forsake his own People.

"I will be his father, and he will be my son. When he does wrong, I will punish him with a rod wielded by men, with floggings inflicted by human hands. But my love will never be taken away from him, as I took it away from Saul, whom I removed from before you. Your house and your kingdom will endure forever before me[b]; your throne will be established forever.’” - 2 Samuel 7:14-16

"For I am with you and will save you," says the LORD. "I will completely destroy the nations where I have scattered you, but I will not completely destroy you. I will discipline you, but with justice; I cannot let you go unpunished." - Jeremiah 30:11

The purpose for the nation of Israel was for the Almighty to access the whole world of mankind to salvation through/using the nation of Israel as the channel to pass through to do so.

Isaiah 49:6
6 And he said: “It is not enough that you are my servantTo raise up the tribes of JacobAnd to bring back those who were preserved of Israel. I have also given you as a light of nations,So that my salvation may reach the ends of the earth
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Hence, the above is the greater picture of the plans of Yahweh.

Same was what the apostle stated in acts:

Acts 13:47

47 For Jehovah has commanded us in these words: ‘I have appointed you as a light of nations, for you to be a salvation to the ends of the earth.’

THE ABOVE^^^^IS WHERE JESUS COMES IN, THE MEANS YAHWEH USES TO ACCESS ALL THE NATIONS.

frosbel2:
FALSE.

God promised in Holy Scripture that he will never ever forsake his own People.

"I will be his father, and he will be my son. When he does wrong, I will punish him with a rod wielded by men, with floggings inflicted by human hands. But my love will never be taken away from him, as I took it away from Saul, whom I removed from before you. Your house and your kingdom will endure forever before me[b]; your throne will be established forever.’” - 2 Samuel 7:14-16

"For I am with you and will save you," says the LORD. "I will completely destroy the nations where I have scattered you, but I will not completely destroy you. I will discipline you, but with justice; I cannot let you go unpunished." - Jeremiah 30:11

IT IS SOMETHING BEYOND JUST SHOUTING FALSE!


The apostles were not fabricating stuff to feed mankind, as humble as they were, they spoke the truth as contain in the OT. It was prophesied that a prophet like moses will be raised up for Israel, though Israel rejected him. having life depends on listening to his voice, and what he said is final. It was prophesied about him Jesus.

SEE:

Acts 3:22-25

22 In fact, Moses said: ‘Jehovah your God will raise up for you from among your brothers a prophet like me. You must listen to whatever he tells you. 23 Indeed, anyone who does not listen to that Prophet will be completely destroyed from among the people.’ 24 And all the prophets from Samuel and those who followed him, as many as have spoken, have also plainly declared these days. 25 You are the sons of the prophets and of the covenant that God made with your forefathers
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This Jesus that the apostles explain to you and you did not want is also the same one moses the forefather of the Jews was told about that Yahweh will raise up as a prophet like moses with huge authority

SEE:

Deut 18:18,19

 18 I will raise up for them from the midst of their brothers a prophet like you (Moses), and I will put my words in his mouth, and he will speak to them all that I command him. 19 Indeed, I will require an account from the man who will not listen to my words that he will speak in my name.“
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The God of the Jews Yahweh decided all this before Jesus came long long time before as a prophesy.
So, When Jesus came and said the below it is a serious matter and you cannot wish it away .

Matt 23:38,39

38 Look! Your house is abandoned to you. 39 For I say to you, you will by no means see me from now until you say, ‘Blessed is the one who comes in Jehovah’s name

And:

Luke 13:35

35 Look! Your house is abandoned to you. I tell you, you will by no means see me until you say: ‘Blessed is the one who comes in Jehovah’s name.
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That you don't belief that Jesus can do the above is your issue, but as a nation, Israel has a Job to do.

Peace

WHEN DID ISRAEL AS A NATION AND NOT INDIVIDUALLY SAY:

"BLESS IS HE THAT COMES IN JEHOVEH'S NAME"?

That is, after Christ made those pronouncements?

Hmmmm! Frosbel!, Frosbel!, Frosbel!!!

Peace to you still.

The issues you highlighted here are too simplistic. It much more than that, however JESUS IS LORD whether jews agree or not. Jesus is Lord of the jews and the WORLD

The imagination that the Jews do not accept Jesus as the messiah is absurd really.

Why? because Jesus perfectly fitted into the prophesies concerning the Messiah that the probability of the chance of someone fitting into it is Zero or impossible.

That the Jews of today claim whatsoever about Jesus Christ is not a reflection of what had happened in the past when Jesus was really on earth.

The Bible Book of Zechariah 9:9 described prophetically this about the Messiah:

9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion.Shout in triumph, O daughter of Jerusalem.Look! Your king is coming to you. He is righteous, bringing salvation,Humble and riding on a donkey,On a colt, the foal of a female donkey.

Matt 21:6-11

6 So the disciples went and did just as Jesus had instructed them. 7 They brought the donkey and its colt, and they put their outer garments on them, and he sat on them. 8 Most of the crowd spread their outer garments on the road, while others were cutting down branches from the trees and spreading them on the road. 9 Moreover, the crowds going ahead of him and those following him kept shouting: “Save, we pray, the Son of David! Blessed is the one who comes in Jehovah’s name! Save him, we pray, in the heights above!” 10 And when he entered Jerusalem, the whole city was in an uproar, saying: “Who is this?” 11 The crowds kept saying: “This is the prophet Jesus, from Nazʹa·reth of Galʹi·lee!”
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The prophesy concerning the Messiah had foretold that he will be of the descendant of David.

So, my question is, if the Jews don't recognise Jesus as the Messiah, what was the women and men shouting "SAVE, SON OF DAVID" implying by that statement bearing in mind that Jesus was known as son of Joseph?

My point remains that the modern day Jews are not qualified to be a reference authority to verify the authenticity of the Messiah-ship of the man Jesus.

That the man Jesus was accepted by the Jewish people even the religious authority denied him as to keep their place of authority with the occupying Roman authority, hence, they got him killed even though his being killed was also prophesied in the OT.

Rejecting Jesus Christ is at ones peril and detriment.

Peace

Even statement that was made from heaven on the day of Jesus Baptism was prophesied In the Bible book of Isaiah.


Isaiah 42:1
Look! My servant, whom I support! My chosen one, whom I have approved! I have put my spirit in him; He will bring justice to the nations.

Mark 1:11
And a voice came out of the heavens: “You are my Son, the beloved; I have approved you.”

There are so many prophesy that fulfil in Jesus that it makes perfect sense that he is who he is.

Okanokan:
The issues you highlighted here are too simplistic. It much more than that, however JESUS IS LORD whether jews agree or not. Jesus is Lord of the jews and the WORLD

Nahhh, he is not the Lord.. He was just a roman creation to mock the real Lord just as Daniel prophesied in Dan7:25...read the passage before commenting