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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by Mynd44: 11:26am On Jan 22, 2018
scholes0:
Isn't "SOSO" the Yoruba word for Only?
The article is flawed in many ways

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by maestroferddi: 11:27am On Jan 22, 2018
aljharem:
So many false statement here. Alaia and moi moi are borrowed words from Yoruba. Until the amalgamation of Nigeria there was nothing like bean in igbo land. The demography does not favour such!!!!. So how did they get food made from beans. Haha!!!!!
Are you ok?
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Beans has always been a native
Igbo food/crop.

It is universally called agwa in all Igboland.

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by baby124: 11:27am On Jan 22, 2018
Akara, moin moin and egusi are Yoruba. There are also Yoruba settlements in Jamaica

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by Lilimax(f): 11:27am On Jan 22, 2018
igbo nwelu mmadu!

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by Guyman02: 11:29am On Jan 22, 2018
aljharem:
So many false statement here. Alaia and moi moi are borrowed words from Yoruba. Until the amalgamation of Nigeria there was nothing like bean in igbo land. The demography does not favour such!!!!. So how did they get food made from beans. Haha!!!!!
Nigerians and Igbos have various indigenous species of beans before the arrival of the whiteman

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by maestroferddi: 11:31am On Jan 22, 2018
Probz:


I just thought it was one of those shared words between the languages. Just like ogiri, egusi and mai mai/moyin-moyin (moin moin).
Ogiri abd egusi/egwusi are exclusive Igbo words.

Any language using them loaned them from Igbo...

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by Guyman02: 11:32am On Jan 22, 2018
GavelSlam:
Akara is the same meaning in Bahia, Brazil.

The Bahia people just like some Cubans and Haitis worship Ifa and Yoruba gods.

Trinidad and Tobago has some Yoruba influence.

It's safe to say the carribeans were taking from West Africa .

One cannot rule out Igbo presence in such places but the influence of Yoruba is beyond doubt.

This thread is about Igbos in Jamaica and not about Yoruba, can we stick to that?

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by GavelSlam: 11:32am On Jan 22, 2018
Mynd44:

The article is flawed in many ways

I'm hoping the writer is not a staff of The Guardian because it makes a mockery of research and journalism in Nigeria.

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by Nobody: 11:34am On Jan 22, 2018
Guyman02:
Wah gwaan bredrin, everyting ire ?

Ever heard the word “red ibo ” in Jamaica? Your suspicion is true, “red ibo” was used to refer to the Igbo slaves in Jamaica because of their light skin .
The land of Jamaica witnessed the influx of the Igbo race between 1790 and 1809 during the transatlantic slave trade .
The modern Igbo race dwelt in the Bight of Biafra in Nigeria . It was from here that the Igbos who were kidnapped and sold as slaves by the Europeans were taken to work on plantations .
During this period, the Igbos , due to their inability to speak the language , introduced some of their words which have now become infused in the Jamaican Patois .
Some of these words include:
Unu– You people
Ima oso (Jamaica) Ima osu (Igbo) - to hiss by sucking your teeth
Akara (Jamaica) Akàrà ( Igbo)– bean cake
Soso (Jamaica) Sọsọ (Igbo ) - only

Jamaica’s historical culture cannot be mentioned without the influence of the Igbo’s. The Igbo ’s influenced the culture, music , the pouring of libation , the “ ibo” style, idioms and way of life of the Jamaicans . Their yam festival 'the Jonkonnu' was introduced by the Igbos. There is a town allegedly named after them , the Ibu Town .

The Jamaicans are akin to the ways of the Igbos such that it is not uncommon to see Jamaicans watch Igbo Nollywood movies . Some of their rural areas resemble the Igbo ’s in Eastern Nigeria.
Known for their pride, the Igbos are said to have unwritten rules that even the slave owners were made to abide by. Out of this people came individuals who left a mark in that period. A popular example is author, Olaudah Equiano, who was very instrumental in maintaining law and order among the Igbos in Jamaica during the 1776 Mosquito Shore Scheme. He is also credited as being one of the campaigners of the abolition of slave trade (Google celebrated his 272 birthday last year).

The Igbos were also popular for committing suicides to go back to their homeland. This suicide was what made most slave traders skeptical of having them as slaves.
When they could no longer bear the slavery, 250 Igbo men conspired to kill every white man in the land. Although they failed, their song for freedom cannot be forgotten:

Oh me good friend , Mr Wilberforce, make we free!
God Almighty thank ye ! God Almighty thank ye!
God Almighty, make we free !
Buckra in this country no make we free:
What Negro for to do ? What Negro for to do?
Take force by force! Take force by force!
ALL
To be sure! to be sure! to be sure!


https://m.guardian.ng/life/a-brief-profile-of-the-igbo-people-of-jamaica/
BY NJIDEKA AGBO

Pix: Olaudah -Equiano . Photo credit : Daily Mail

Unsubstantiated claims, flimsy claims that cannot withstand the simplest of tests. I guess anything to boost your inflated egos is welcomed.

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by Guyman02: 11:35am On Jan 22, 2018
baby124:
Akara, moin moin and egusi are Yoruba. There are also Yoruba settlements in Jamaica

You can open another thread on Yoruba settlements in the moon, this thread is about the Igbos and not a boxing ring for Yoruba and Igbo kids on NL

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by GavelSlam: 11:36am On Jan 22, 2018
Guyman02:


This thread is about Igbos in Jamaica and not about Yoruba, can we stick to that?

Quite easily I'm debunking the use of the word Akara which is surely of Yoruba etymology.

As I posited, Akara is called by the same name in Bahia , Brazil.

There is no doubt about the cultural linkage between Bahia and Yoruba nation as evidenced by their strong belief in Ifa, Orunmila etc.

The summary is that the use of the word Akara does not buttress the influence of Igbo in Jamaica.

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by baby124: 11:37am On Jan 22, 2018
maestroferddi:
Ogiri abd egusi/egwusi are exclusive Igbo words.

Any language using them loaned them from Igbo...
Igbos call egusi melon. Egusi is not an Igbo word or food. Stop misinforming. Even the way you cook Egusi is very typical of Yoruba soups. We cook soup differently from others with a palm oil and pepper base.

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by maclatunji: 11:38am On Jan 22, 2018
grandstar:
I love history.

At a time in America, there were up to 30,000 Igbo slaves in Maryland and Virginia. There were always posters of runaway igbo slaves.

They were call Eboe or Bights by the Americans

It is estimated that as many as 60% of African Americans have Igbo blood.


I have always said it that there was no great Igbo civilization before colonization. It was the weaker communities that were being captured and sold into slavery. The implication of this is that the Benin Empire and its auxiliaries dominated the Igbo region during the 17th-18th century and in all likelihood a longer period before then.

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by scholes0(m): 11:38am On Jan 22, 2018
RedboneSmith:


One of those shared words. Around Anambra it is 'soso', too. In much of Imo it is 'naani'.

That word Agwa for beans too looks very similar to what the Yoruba version of the word would be.

Sure it isn't from Igala? cheesy

cc: Probz

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by maestroferddi: 11:41am On Jan 22, 2018
RedboneSmith:


One of those shared words. Around Anambra it is 'soso', too. In much of Imo it is 'naani'.
Oga both soso and naani are spoken across Igboland.

They are synonyms. Frequency of usage/popularity depends on syntax/sentence construction. They have nothing to do with dialect.

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by scholes0(m): 11:43am On Jan 22, 2018
RedboneSmith:


One of those shared words. Around Anambra it is 'soso', too. In much of Imo it is 'naani'.

The fact that it isn't even a universally shared Igbo word points more in the direction of it diffusing into the Anambra axis from an external language source.

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by baby124: 11:44am On Jan 22, 2018
scholes0:


That word Agwa for beans too looks very similar to what the Yoruba version of the word would be.

Sure it isn't from Igala? cheesy

cc: Probz
Igala were once under the larger Yoruba family. They have a lot of similar words. Though separation of the group has been for long. Agwa and Ewa is similar. Even Igbos and Yoruba at some point were probably related or some words were infused into Igbo language through Igala. We have some similar words.

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by RedboneSmith(m): 11:46am On Jan 22, 2018
scholes0:


The fact that it isn't even a universally shared Igbo word points more in the direction of it diffusing into the Anambra axis from an external language source.

I knew you were gong to say that. Ajo, Esusu. Do you think the Yoruba borrowed one from an external language?

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by LordNapoleon: 11:47am On Jan 22, 2018
vioment:
Akara is not bean cake, bean cake is moi moi. Think of it, how many cakes do you eat that are fried; At least, moi moi can be put in the oven.

About the african linage in regards to igbos is interesting, i will be reading more on this.
Akara is fried bean cake while moi moi is cooked bean cake

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by scholes0(m): 11:48am On Jan 22, 2018
RedboneSmith:


I knew you were gong to say that. Ajo, Esusu. Do you think the Yoruba borrowed one from an external language?

Ajo and Esusu are the same thing. In Yoruba.

I can replace one with the other, anywhere in yorubaland.

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by BabaIbo: 11:49am On Jan 22, 2018
baby124:
Akara, moin moin and egusi are Yoruba. There are also Yoruba settlements in Jamaica

Go back to school, egwusi/egusi and ogiri are exclusively igbo words borrowed by yorubas

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by baby124: 11:51am On Jan 22, 2018
BabaIbo:


Go back to school, egwusi/egusi and ogiri are exclusively igbo words borrowed by yorubas
Igbos call Egusi melon. Go and ask your elders. No one is arguing Ogiri. It’s not a Yoruba food item. However, Egusi is. It’s not Egwusi either, that will make it the Igbo pronounciation, like how Moin Moin has been bastardized to mai mai.

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by scholes0(m): 11:52am On Jan 22, 2018
BabaIbo:


Go back to school, egwusi/egusi and ogiri are exclusively igbo words borrowed by yorubas

Nothing like EGWusi, it is Egusi, and it is it of Yoruba origin.

Igbos are the ones who add GW to words that have vowels following G.

The same way Igbos pronounce the Hausa word for Kolanut “Goro” as GWORO

Same word which both Yoruba and Igalas call Obi.

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by Nobody: 11:54am On Jan 22, 2018
RedboneSmith:
'Imu oso' is not a Jamaican patois expression. The post where you got this from misinterpreted the source material.

'Akara' is also not Igbo. It is Yoruba.

Other Igbo words in Jamaican Patois that could have been added are:

Attoo (chewing stick) from Igbo 'atu' and chinch/chink (bedbug) from Igbo 'chinchi.'
you lied, "Akara" is originally gotten from igbo before it become a lingua word. Same as "oyibo" which Yoruba pronounced as "oyinbo" bcus they adopted it. It either u talking as a tribalist or as a naïve writer. Pls make findings from proper source before u write.

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by RedboneSmith(m): 11:54am On Jan 22, 2018
scholes0:


That word Agwa for beans too looks very similar to what the Yoruba version of the word would be.

Sure it isn't from Igala? cheesy

cc: Probz


Knowing that you are better informed than this, I can only conclude that you are just being mischievous here.

Archaeologists know we have been cultivating beans in this part of the world for thousands of years, since neolithic times.

The fact that Yorubas call beans 'ewa' and the Igala call it 'egwa' and the Igbo 'agwa' is only evidence that our common Kwa ancestors were already growing beans before they split.

There are several other cognates like that (eg., cognates for money, house, goat, etc) which historians use as indicators of the level of our material and mental culture thousands of years before we separated into distinct ethnicities.

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by scholes0(m): 11:56am On Jan 22, 2018
baby124:

Igala were once under the larger Yoruba family. They have a lot of similar words. Though separation of the group has been for long. Agwa and Ewa is similar. Even Igbos and Yoruba at some point were probably related or some words were infused into Igbo language through Igala. We have some similar words.

It would appear so on the surface.

But the Igals instead trace their origin to faraway Taraba state.
Very funny.

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by RedboneSmith(m): 11:56am On Jan 22, 2018
IjeleNwa:
you lied, "Akara" is originally gotten from igbo before it become a lingua word. Same as "oyibo" which Yoruba pronounced as "oyinbo" bcus they adopted it. It either u talking as a tribalist or as a naïve writer. Pls make findings from proper source before u write.

LOL. Okay. This is an old argument on NL. I don't have any interest in rehashing it. I said what I said, and I still believe I was right.

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by baysol: 11:56am On Jan 22, 2018
Probz:


Is akara not a shared word between Yoruba and Igbo?

Igbo dey share anything? A beg akara na Yoruba word we have even other attachments like Iya alakara, akara ati eko,akara elepo.......yeye people wey be say lie na their very foundation in life...why una no go thief sef......soso is also Yoruba for only hence variance like okan soso- only one, omo kan soso -only child. Give credit to whom its deserved and stop basking in Yoruba spot light any longer we have nothing in common with Igbos except Nigeria they profaned as the zoo. Lobatan.

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by baysol: 11:56am On Jan 22, 2018
Probz:


Is akara not a shared word between Yoruba and Igbo?

Igbo dey share anything? A beg akara na Yoruba word we have even other attachments like Iya alakara, akara ati eko,akara elepo.......yeye people wey be say lie na their very foundation in life...why una no go thief sef......soso is also Yoruba for only hence variance like okan soso- only one, omo kan soso -only child. Give credit to whom its deserved and stop basking in Yoruba spot light any longer we have nothing in common with Igbos except Nigeria they profaned as the zoo. Lobatan.

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by scholes0(m): 11:58am On Jan 22, 2018
IjeleNwa:
you lied, "Akara" is originally gotten from igbo before it become a lingua word. Same as "oyibo" which Yoruba pronounced as "oyinbo" bcus they adopted it. It either u talking as a tribalist or as a naïve writer. Pls make findings from proper source before u write.

Pls this is pure lies.

What is the Igbo word for Kpomo?

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by berrystunn(m): 11:58am On Jan 22, 2018
GavelSlam:
Akara is the same meaning in Bahia, Brazil.

The Bahia people just like some Cubans and Haitis worship Ifa and Yoruba gods.

Trinidad and Tobago has some Yoruba influence.

It's safe to say the carribeans were taking from West Africa .

One cannot rule out Igbo presence in such places but the influence of Yoruba is beyond doubt.


Now I understand why they are so poor grin

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