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OkaiCorne:
Are you aware Moses was a general in army of Pharoah? And the Bible only tells the decoy to the story as to why Moses eventually left Egypt?

Are you aware that the "Pharoah who never knew Joseph" was an Assyrian invader that overthrew the Pharoah before him?

That is one theory. There are others. What criteria do you use in choosing which to believe? The evidence for them all is pretty weak.

budaatum:
I'd advise you to step away from the facts awhile, and read up on the scientific method itself. It will help you in judging evidence and make you more credible when you say you are being scientific. Oh, and follow vaxx, especially for when we do objectivity and subjectivity'.

lol

budaatum:
Science has not found any evidence for a Garden of Eden. Science has in fact concluded that human beings first came into existence in East Africa, so unless you want to move your rivers, stop stating things you know to be untrue!


Scientists have not discovered anything of the sort!

Let's take a trip into the distant past.

I am sure you are aware the whole land mass of earth were all converged into one massive continent called Pangeia (I think), before it splitted into two parts called Eurasia and Gondawanaland thanks to the tectonic plate shifts...

budaatum:
That is one theory. There are others. What criteria do you use in choosing which to believe? The evidence for them all is pretty weak.

Read up Josephus' Antiquity of the Jews...

The evidence for them remains weak because this is the distant past we are talking about here bro...and not 1,000 years ago...

But then, do some research on the history of ancient Egypt...and Assyria as well...you'll get your evidences from reputable historians and archaeologists to arrive at your conclusions...

vaxx:
lol

The genius himself...budaatum referred me to you...

Perhaps you have answers to the questions I've asked on this thread...

OkaiCorne:
The genius himself...budaatum referred me to you...

Perhaps you have answers to the questions I've asked on this thread...

NO sir, budaatum is not only good upstairs, i also admire his style of writting. i salute budaa.

regarding the garden of Eden. please count me off. i have no idea.... but i will do my own findings and get back to you later.

vaxx:
NO sir, budaatum is not only good upstairs, i also admire his style of writting. i salute budaa.

regarding the garden of Eden. please count me off. i have no idea.... but i will do my own findings and get back to you later.

Okay boss... later then...

Gen_2:8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
Gen_2:10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.

a possibility below

johnw74:
Gen_2:8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
Gen_2:10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.

a possibility below

Almost the same thing the documentary pointed out. Just that what we know as the garden of Eden is now submerged in the Persian gulf...

vaxx:
lol

It (subjectivity and objectivity) does keep cropping up, and we do have to resolve it some day.

OkaiCorne however needs some tutoring on the scientific method, and the validity of evidence and its sources. I'd also like him to understand that a video on Youtube is not even subject to the scrutiny Conservapedia is! But, I guess it depends what video we talking about.

budaatum:
It (subjectivity and objectivity) does keep cropping up, and we do have to resolve it some day.

OkaiCorne however needs some tutoring on the scientific method, and the validity of evidence and its sources. I'd also like him to understand that a video on Youtube is not even subject to the scrutiny Conservapedia is! But, I guess it depends what video we talking about.

sometimes ,, video too can be biased. It is YouTube. Every information are not reliable. .. My advice to those who love claming validity through Yout ube video.

1 have the full knowledge of the information before claiming it

2 use the video to buttress your fact not to validate your fact.

And lastly do not take it serious when it comes to matter of subject you are not versed with.


YouTube is good to validate football match or any soap opera......becareful with its use when it comes to history ,,, mathematics , science....it is very risky....

MrPresident1:
The Garden of Eden is an allegory for the pleasant land that God placed Israel who are also figuratively called Adam and Eve.

Read those verses again

I love the use of metaphors,we are now in lala land abi.?
Make we continue.

[quote author=vaxx post=64913283]sometimes ,, video too can be biased. It is YouTube. Every information are not reliable. .. My advice to those who love claming validity through Yout ube video.

1 have the full knowledge of the information before claiming it

2 use the video to buttress your fact not to validate your fact.

And lastly do not take it serious when it comes to matter of subject you are not versed with.

YouTube is good to validate football match or any soap opera......becareful with its use when it comes to history ,,, mathematics , science....it is very risky....[quote]Would you prefer documentaries from the History Channel? OR are you saying genuine facts on History and Science can no longer be sourced on you tube?


I see bias here (possibly), if the documentary attacked the existence of Eden from the start...atheists would have been the cheerleaders of such video....but now that the evidence shows four rivers converging at a point known as the Eden spoken of in the Bible...we should "be careful"

Issorait...

budaatum:
It (subjectivity and objectivity) does keep cropping up, and we do have to resolve it some day.

OkaiCorne however needs some tutoring on the scientific method, and the validity of evidence and its sources. I'd also like him to understand that a video on Youtube is not even subject to the scrutiny Conservapedia is! But, I guess it depends what video we talking about.

You haven't answered my questions on;

1) Plato's deluge
2) How stars and planets are formed

And you want to tutor me on scientific methods.

By the way, does science alone have the answers to life's mysteries?

OkaiCorne:
Would you prefer documentaries from the History Channel? or are you saying genuine facts can no longer be sourced on you tube?

No sir, that is not my claim. Getting fact requite more than just visiting channels. You yourself should have all the require tools to do it. Have you seen where lawyers are analysing video in the court room. Video may be documented just to suilt a particular scenario.

I don't want to tutor you on anything! Nor does science claim to have all the answers. And nor do I. If you want to learn though the scientific method will take you a long way. I'll ask you to consider it.

OkaiCorne:
You haven't answered my questions on;

1) Plato's deluge
2) How stars and planets are formed

And you want to tutor me on scientific methods.

By the way, does science alone have the answers to life's mysteries?

vaxx:
No sir, that is not my claim. Getting fact requite more than just visiting channels. You yourself should have all the require tools to do it. Have you seen where lawyers are analysing video in the court room. Video may be documented just to suilt a particular scenario.

The scenario here is very simple, let us not create further maths out of arithmetics...

Going through the video, Hydrologist expert traced the point where four rivers met to a location now submerged in the Persian gulf.

Two of those rivers are extinct...however, the routes were traced using satellite images...

The Bible mentioned of a land where these four rivers converged as Eden...

What exactly is wrong here, or are you stating the research done is a poor job? There are also many other independent researches both written materials and videos that corroborates the video I posted there...so what exactly could be wrong with the video I posted on this thread?

budaatum:
I don't want to tutor you on anything! Nor does science claim to have all the answers. And nor do I. If you want to learn though the scientific method will take you a long way. I'll ask you to consider it.

Bro, I am not disregarding Science...infact, I enjoyed Science...biology in particular in my O' Levels and I do not need to brag on my WAEC scores to prove how good I was...I'm not into boasting and stuffs as such...

Till date, I still maintain a strong interest in astronomy and Universe literatures from Science experts...then History, Archaeology and major religions around the world...

what I need you to consider that there are well respected Scientists who would still go through the Same scientific methods and arrive at different conclusions on a matter.

For example, does Science prove the existence or otherwise of God? This will lead to another fight between theists and atheists on this thread...


I'm still awaiting your feedback to my questions...

The conclusions are the individual subjective aspects. And yes, they need not agree, however the scientific rigour with which the objective data is evaluated is commonly agreed on.

An example is climate change. While there are scientists who do not agree that the globe is warming, they are not held up as reputable scientists in the community which has agreed that the globe is indeed warming. The mainstream arguments tend to be about the causes mostly.

Another is the one you posed. Most scientist do not attempt to scientifically prove that gods exist, and accept to keep their god issues private. In fact, any scientist who attempts to use science to prove gods exist is considered to be a crackpot by the mainstream! Evidence usually presented as proof of gods does not stand up to scientific rigour and scientific methods are successfully used in debunking them, though believers in gods would not accept this.

Regarding Plato's deluge, there are many deluge myths so he's is not exceptional in any way.

Regarding planets and stars, read the following. The first five words are most important (I am not presenting it as what I know!):

According to our current understanding, a star and its planets form out of a collapsing cloud of dust and gas within a larger cloud called a nebula. As gravity pulls material in the collapsing cloud closer together, the center of the cloud gets more and more compressed and, in turn, gets hotter. This dense, hot core becomes the kernel of a new star.

OkaiCorne:
Bro, I am not disregarding Science...infact, I enjoyed Science...biology in particular in my O' Levels and I do not need to brag on my WAEC scores to prove how good I was...I'm not into boasting and stuffs as such...

what I need you to consider that there are well respected Scientists who would still go through the Same scientific methods and arrive at different conclusions on a matter.

For example, does Science prove the existence or otherwise of God? This will lead to another fight between theists and atheists on this thread...

I'm still awaiting your feedback to my questions...

tspouse:
I'm sure most us Christians read this in the bible ,God chased Adam and Eve out after they ate the forbidden fruit.the place was locked and was guides by the angels,

The question now is.

Where exactly is the garden

They, the spirit of God was the garden of Eden. God starved that Garden, how, by refusing to give them immortal words. They were hardly in contact with the master of life,since,tge spirit of God cohabits with God the connection at the instance where the connection, it lost it savour, which, was telling on the flesh. skin sagging-old age and eventually death. Think about not feeding the flesh for 20years ,what will happen to it. The same things happened with Gods spirit in adam(that garden of Eden) .Garden let's use the earthly thing to illustrate the heavenly things, as applicable on earth, our garden is water right, else all the leaves become withered? Eden is the house, the place there garden is. The same way, no food was available, not just any food but spiritual food to nurture them to immortality as a result of poisoning God's Spirit by the act they committed which is sexual intercourse. so, God the gardener was angered,left garden to be healed of the poison which needed to take a while. As when the plant is infected by pesticide we have measures applying pesticides bearing in mind the appropriate time the garden becomes useful. The garden became useful after the shedding of the blood, the pesticide, so that after admitting the blood totally by what we feed, spiritual food, then there is need for the Garden of Eden to be re-established in us we we become immortal as God intended from the beginning of creation. The real garden of Eden is Man

OkaiCorne:
The scenario here is very simple, let us not create further maths out of arithmetics...

Going through the video, Hydrologist expert traced the point where four rivers met to a location now submerged in the Persian gulf.

Two of those rivers are extinct...however, the routes were traced using satellite images...

The Bible mentioned of a land where these four rivers converged as Eden...

What exactly is wrong here, or are you stating the research done is a poor job? There are also many other independent researches both written materials and videos that corroborates the video I posted there...so what exactly could be wrong with the video I posted on this thread?

i do not argue what i do not have adequate knowledge about. just telling you to be careful when relying on secondary source.

vaxx:
i do not argue what i do not have adequate knowledge about. just telling you to be careful when relying on secondary source.

Yeah...I get you, that's why I said truth corroborates truth. I don't rely on one source alone to arrive at a conclusion.

Infact, I prefer to view both sides of an argument before taking a position...

budaatum:
The conclusions are the individual subjective aspects. And yes, they need not agree, however the scientific rigour with which the objective data is evaluated is commonly agreed on.

An example is climate change. While there are scientists who do not agree that the globe is warming, they are not held up as reputable scientists in the community which has agreed that the globe is indeed warming. The mainstream arguments tend to be about the causes mostly.

Another is the one you posed. Most scientist do not attempt to scientifically prove that gods exist, and accept to keep their god issues private. In fact, any scientist who attempts to use science to prove gods exist is considered to be a crackpot by the mainstream! Evidence usually presented as proof of gods does not stand up to scientific rigour and scientific methods are successfully used in debunking them, though believers in gods would not accept this.

Regarding Plato's deluge, there are many deluge myths so he's is not exceptional in any way.

Regarding planets and stars, read the following. The first five words are most important (I am not presenting it as what I know!):

According to our current understanding, a star and its planets form out of a collapsing cloud of dust and gas within a larger cloud called a nebula. As gravity pulls material in the collapsing cloud closer together, the center of the cloud gets more and more compressed and, in turn, gets hotter. This dense, hot core becomes the kernel of a new star.

Before you conclude on Plato's deluge being mythical, corroborate with scientific and archaeological findings if indeed there were deluges in the ancient past...

budaatum:
The conclusions are the individual subjective aspects. And yes, they need not agree, however the scientific rigour with which the objective data is evaluated is commonly agreed on.

An example is climate change. While there are scientists who do not agree that the globe is warming, they are not held up as reputable scientists in the community which has agreed that the globe is indeed warming. The mainstream arguments tend to be about the causes mostly.

Another is the one you posed. Most scientist do not attempt to scientifically prove that gods exist, and accept to keep their god issues private. In fact, any scientist who attempts to use science to prove gods exist is considered to be a crackpot by the mainstream! Evidence usually presented as proof of gods does not stand up to scientific rigour and scientific methods are successfully used in debunking them, though believers in gods would not accept this.

Regarding Plato's deluge, there are many deluge myths so he's is not exceptional in any way.

Regarding planets and stars, read the following. The first five words are most important (I am not presenting it as what I know!):

According to our current understanding, a star and its planets form out of a collapsing cloud of dust and gas within a larger cloud called a nebula. As gravity pulls material in the collapsing cloud closer together, the center of the cloud gets more and more compressed and, in turn, gets hotter. This dense, hot core becomes the kernel of a new star.

Your findings on how planets and stars are formed didn't say much on planets.

What forms the core of the planet and how the planet's surface cools off,

Then going further, how water comes to be (mind you, I am not implying that water is essential for life to exist on all planets)...and how the gases on that planet makes it conducive for simple life forms to exist...or how these simple life forms come to be in the first place...

That can give us a clue on how life started on mother earth...

Freeze007:
They, the spirit of God was the garden of Eden. God starved that Garden, how, by refusing to give them immortal words. They were hardly in contact with the master of life,since,tge spirit of God cohabits with God the connection at the instance where the connection, it lost it savour, which, was telling on the flesh. skin sagging-old age and eventually death. Think about not feeding the flesh for 20years ,what will happen to it. The same things happened with Gods spirit in adam(that garden of Eden) .Garden let's use the earthly thing to illustrate the heavenly things, as applicable on earth, our garden is water right, else all the leaves become withered? Eden is the house, the place there garden is. The same way, no food was available, not just any food but spiritual food to nurture them to immortality as a result of poisoning God's Spirit by the act they committed which is sexual intercourse. so, God the gardener was angered,left garden to be healed of the poison which needed to take a while. As when the plant is infected by pesticide we have measures applying pesticides bearing in mind the appropriate time the garden becomes useful. The garden became useful after the shedding of the blood, the pesticide, so that after admitting the blood totally by what we feed, spiritual food, then there is need for the Garden of Eden to be re-established in us we we become immortal as God intended from the beginning of creation. The real garden of Eden is Man

Not to argue with you bro, but the Bible mentioned four rivers that gives pointers to where this garden is located...I don't want to think these rivers are spiritual too...

OkaiCorne:
Not to argue with you bro, but the Bible mentioned four rivers that gives pointers to where this garden is located...I don't want to think these rivers are spiritual too...

Those immortal body starting to eat spiritual food(Those being, being fed by God) wherever they may be will be a pointer. coincidentally looking inward, if it is possible to see those living by the immortal words of God, I am sure they match with the four river spoken about in Genesis.What I mean is, those people are presently in that Garden of Eden surrounding the four Rivers as Genesis accounts, except the account of that writer was not 100% as to where the actual Garden of Eden is only the Map holder of the world can tell that. mind you, I am not saying the Bible is wrong.

Let me digress a little, do you believe the Purported Map as we all know is the Map of the world? I guess, the right Map will take us a little further to the truth about these Garden of Eden of the physical note. Otherwise, I will continue to teleport into the Abstract.

cheers

Freeze007:
Those immortal body starting to eat spiritual food(Those being, being fed by God) wherever they may be will be a pointer. coincidentally looking inward, if it is possible to see those living by the immortal words of God, I am sure they match with the four river spoken about in Genesis.What I mean is, those people are presently in that Garden of Eden surrounding the four Rivers as Genesis accounts, except the account of that writer was not 100% as to where the actual Garden of Eden is only the Map holder of the world can tell that. mind you, I am not saying the Bible is wrong.

Let me digress a little, do you believe the Purported Map as we all know is the Map of the world? I guess, the right Map will take us a little further to the truth about these Garden of Eden of the physical note. Otherwise, I will continue to teleport into the Abstract.

cheers

The purported map of the world as we know can be verified on google map...

The garden of Eden is not a geographical location. It was a meeting place between divinity and humanity. It can't be discovered by archeologists.

seyi360:
The garden of Eden is not a geographical location. It was a meeting place between divinity and humanity. It can't be discovered by archeologists.

It never existed. It remains a fictional tale.

OkaiCorne:
The purported map of the world as we know can be verified on google map...

Google Map, are you saying the Map covers the Universe? Just asking, I want to be sure, is the Map Limited to certain places?

I know something, that is, we think we have seen it all from what we have in hand, unknown to us, we lack in all areas we think we have submissive evident on,for example we think the Map is that compass to the four Rivers talked about in the Bible. Have you ever wondered whether people have ever tried murdering real TRUTH. I know people have although TRUTH will always have it's way.

Anyone person who things He has knowledge of the Universe but have little knowledge about the Father of the Universe is certainly just being imaginative. Obviously they have no dates/datas/statistics to correlate all places from North to South to east to west therefore most information if not all on Google I am believing is a result of guess work.

My brother, I am not convinced Google Map is the representation of the world. My one Kobe opinion!
You really don't have to take my word just telling you what I honestly feel, the same way I believe the Bible detail is really not enough to fetch you the desired result as to who the Creator is, however,it is a guide. Scientists have really tried to the best of their knowledge to understand the time but it would be impossible except they go through the right channel, exploring more with the help of the King of the Universe. Thanks to Good sleek peek in the Bible is given about His personality but the son called learned don't want to believe He does exist, how then, Will they be able to give appropriate information on the CASE STUDY? The reason the bible is surviving is because the temerity is tested and trusted but still for spiritual advancing we need more than those words written in the Bible. We need to know Him personally.

I am so sorry if I digressed just my humble take!!

Cheers

Freeze007:
Google Map, are you saying the Map covers the Universe? Just asking, I want to be sure, is the Map Limited to certain places?

I know something, that is, we think we have seen it all from what we have in hand, unknown to us, we lack in all areas we think we have submissive evident on,for example we think the Map is that compass to the four Rivers talked about in the Bible. Have you ever wondered whether people have ever tried murdering real TRUTH. I know people have although TRUTH will always have it's way.

Anyone person who things He has knowledge of the Universe but have little knowledge about the Father of the Universe is certainly just being imaginative. Obviously they have no dates/datas/statistics to correlate all places from North to South to east to west therefore most information if not all on Google I am believing is a result of guess work.

My brother, I am not convinced Google Map is the representation of the world. My one Kobe opinion!
You really don't have to take my word just telling you what I honestly feel, the same way I believe the Bible detail is really not enough to fetch you the desired result as to who the Creator is, however,it is a guide. Scientists have really tried to the best of their knowledge to understand the time but it would be impossible except they go through the right channel, exploring more with the help of the King of the Universe. Thanks to Good sleek peek in the Bible is given about His personality but the son called learned don't want to believe He does exist, how then, Will they be able to give appropriate information on the CASE STUDY? The reason the bible is surviving is because the temerity is tested and trusted but still for spiritual advancing we need more than those words written in the Bible. We need to know Him personally.

I am so sorry if I digressed just my humble take!!

Cheers

Nah...you didn't digress at all. I have also considered the possibility of Eden being a mythical or spiritual place...but for the author of Genesis for example to mention four rivers which was equally corroborated by the documentary I posted earlier...that shows that Eden indeed existed on earth...

Initially, you asked for the purported map of the world...now the basis has shifted to the Universe...no human being or invention can give you a detailed map of the milky way galaxy, not to talk of the Universe....

I thought we were discussing map of the world (earth) here...

dalaman:
It never existed. It remains a fictional tale.

On what grounds? Historic accounts from different sources points to the existence of Eden...in the distant past.

I have a question for you...