PrecisionFx:




Lol.
Bros dress do back go stay.


Less than 30% of Americans identify as Christians.

Of that under 30%, less than 10% attend Sunday mass.

America even censor the word "God" across their media.


Yet they are the richest n the most powerful force on earth.

Dress abeg

What has that got to do with anything . Curses are personal . Each man with his own problem

petra1:


From CHRISTIANS sir. It’s not even advisable tbcadt devils out of non Christians . CHRISTIANA do fall sick . Many sicknesses are demonic affliction

You cast out demons from Christians?!
Sigh... I wish you guys all the best and I pray the eyes of believers be open.

shadeyinka:

Of course Christians can be affiliated by demons.

And I speak from my own personal experience...until I fought my own battle and broke their hold on my assets and wellbeing.

I have also been used to help serious Christians break free from bondages.

please, am seriously in need of help. Please how do I contact you? Please it's urgent n delicate...

cyrilamx:
As a vast student of theology, I never really believed in generational curse though I believe in demonic affliction (demonology), until I experienced all manner of set-back and failures at point of successes. The evidence was there. But I thought I wasn't doing things right. Whether in advance countries or third world countries people re victims of generational curse. In advance countries, victims either seek out Priests for exorcism or astrologers who call such curses NEGATIVE ENERGY.
IN NIGERIA, 3 things fight against success- laziness, governmental policies( corruption and lack of infrastructures), curses or evil manipulation. If u still continue to doubt generational curses as I used to, then read the book "The Kennedy Curse" by Edward Klein. Why America's first family has been haunted by tragedy for 150 years.

You are a son in the kingdom, God bless you real good on your short but loaded expository discourse on GENERATIONAL CURSE which modern day Christianity hardly discuss. I love it when you chipped in the Kennedy Curse issue, it is a stark reality that Generational Curse is a universal thing. Edward Kennedy who happens to be the longest serving Senator in the history of US and the last son of the Kennedy Dynasty later confirmed the curse on the lineage. Generational curse is real. Salute to shadeyinka, I must confess you are good and deep!

Ratello:


You are a son in the kingdom, God bless you real good on your short but loaded expository discourse on GENERATIONAL CURSE which modern day Christianity hardly discuss. I love it when you chipped in the Kennedy Curse issue, it is a stark reality that Generational Curse is a universal thing. Edward Kennedy who happens to be the longest serving Senator in the history of US and the last son of the Kennedy Dynasty later confirmed the curse on the lineage. Generational curse is real. Salute to shadeyinka, I must confess you are good and deep!

The Kennedys were believers?

paxonel:

Ok, what you refer to as demonic is anything bad including sickness?

Wrong . Somethings may have natural causes or based on human error . But a lot of time evil spirit are reeolponsible too.

paxonel:

That's true, but only from non christians, not from christians

Especially sicknesse and deseases . If a Christian can fall sick, be rest assured he can have a demon

.It’s not even advisable to cast devils out of non Christians . Because it will come back . Are you aware that many dicknesss deceases are demonic ? Do Christians fall sick? Anyone who heals the sick will know that demons manifest in many cases when ministering to a sick christian . Some demon will even talk “I AM SPIRIT OF DEATH “

Every failure in life is demonic too abi?

As I said earlier . Not every case is demonic . But if a Christian experience a prolong circle of problem there’s a demon .

Asajesus:
please, am seriously in need of help. Please how do I contact you? Please it's urgent n delicate...

-Go to my profile on NL (click on shadeyinka)
-Look for "Send mail to shadeyinka)

I will respond God willing.
Stay blessed

Processor01:


You cast out demons from Christians?!
Sigh... I wish you guys all the best and I pray the eyes of believers be open.

I don’t mean a disrespect , but from my experience many Christians who believe a Christian can’t have a demon mostly have demons . The enemy make them believe otherwise so that they can’t get help . When you lay hands on them a the demon manifest or speak through them. They are humbled especiall if there’s a video and they are able to see it they start crying . They are broken . There are certain things by which you detect the presence of a demon . Let me just mention one or two

If a woman experiences miscarriages especially if she experience sexual intercourse in the dream befor the miscarriage . It is. Certain a demon ( spiritual husband ) ! If it’s not cast out she can’t have a baby .

Anger , the anger that comes on a person that make him or her do things he regrets is demonic

A man Labours and every time he’s to receive . Things crashes .

Addiction to a habit .

Persistent struggle

Self pity

Recurrent Periodic experience or sickness . On certain dates or season .

Sexual experience in dreams

Missing items without explanation

Consistent missing monies

Unexplainable expenditure or how money went

Migraine headache (most times )

Strange marks of the body over night

Phobias

Allergies

I can go on and on .....

Some Christians who experience such may deny a demon needs being cast out . But when it’s cast out they are completely free.

Processor01:
I see my good friends here again. Been a while. As with my style of dividing the scriptures, any personal experience which cannot be backed up by God’s word is simply your own experience and not applicable to the body of Christ.

Like I’ve always said, in life, there will always be challenges whether you are born again or not. Demons can harass a Christian so long as God allows it.

The story of being born again and having generational curses is a big falsehood that is predominantly heard in Nigerian Christianity (now spreading it out to the rest of Africa). It’s amazing how none of these new insights was taught to the new converts in the Bible.

My point is simple. When one is born again, it is the spirit that is born again. Generational curses are spiritual and passed on through bloodlines. How then does a new born spirit still retain parts of his old spirit? Now, it does not mean that those spirit or demons will not try to frustrate you in one way or the other but God allows such to strengthen us as good soldiers. In my walk with God and even according to the Bible, Faith is more important than chanting Out prayer points.

What you believe is key!

I think you still mix up the word demonic possession with demonic afflictions.

When I get born again, does my Finances, Education, Job, Children, etc also born again.

To afflict a believer is destroying things that matter to such believer. Compare with Job...Satan could touch anything apart from Jobs life (he could even afflict Jobs soul and body).

In wars, if you cannot kill your enemy, you destroy his assets! So also is in Spiritual warfare.

A lot of Christians believe that men of God like Baba Adaboye, Bishop Oyedepo, Baba Kumuyi, Pastor Chris Oyakhilome etc don't visit Medical Doctors. By His stripes we are healed...doesn't mean Christians who fall sick are faithless. Our experience has helped us understand better the scripture.

Generational curses are negative consequences we experience due to the direct action of our ancestors.
The converse also is as real

Generational blessings are positive consequences we experience due to the direct action of our ancestors.

If I have SS genes, it is an effect of my past generation
If I am Otedola or Dangotes son, I will most likely be rich
If I am Keneth Hagin or Copeland's child, I will most likely be born again.
If I am a Jew, I am most likely going to be successful in life
If as a woman, I had HIV, my generations may inherit this and pass it down their own children..(are children not born with HIV?)

Our problems is that we narrow things down to demonic possessions when we talk generational curses.

Processor01:


You cast out demons from Christians?!
Sigh... I wish you guys all the best and I pray the eyes of believers be open.

Please let's do an analysis of this scripture:
Lk4:39
So He (Jesus) bent over her and rebuked the fever, and it left her. She got up at once and began to wait on them.

Why would Jesus do that?
Fever isn't a living thing is it? Can one rebuke an inanimate thing?

I am not insinuating that this woman was demonized or not but to show that spiritual things are not always black and white.

It is obvious you have never ever seen a christian manifest during deliverance.

Once you experience one episode (especially if he is a very serious christian- humanly speaking).

Do you know that sometimes before a deliverance ministration is done, salvation in Christ is first ministered.

I will advise that you do a little research (by fellowshipping with ministries where deliverance is done).

It is either you will have my conclusion that Christians can be demonized OR that less than 50% of those who we know as born again are not!

Once there was a church who claimed that Christians shouldnt die until they hit 70years old. They will refuse to bury the dead of any Young person because God hasn't called them into the ministry of the dead.

Several years down the line, the ministry grew and expanded and of course more people mean that statistically more people will die.

Now, they have reversed that policy. They now know that Christians could die (they have even had cause to bury some of their young pastors).

In other words: faith without (the) works is DEAD.
The work is getting out to the field to DO that which is commanded

Preach
Heal
Cast out demons

Then Faith will come alive from the realm of THEORY and BLIND believes!

petra1:


Wrong . Somethings may have natural causes or based on human error . But a lot of time evil spirit are reeolponsible too.

It's assumption to say evil spirits are responsible for people's woes sometimes, there are no scriptural proves towards that.

Especially sicknesse and deseases . If a Christian can fall sick, be rest assured he can have a demon

This your analogy do not follow at all.
Sickness and diseases are physical phenomena which require physical remedy, except God want to intervene. But demon infliction only require spiritual remedy because they are spiritual phenomena.

.It’s not even advisable to cast devils out of non Christians . Because it will come back

Why did the demons not come back when Jesus and early disciples cast out demons from non believers of Christ?

Are you aware that many dicknesss deceases are demonic ? Do Christians fall sick?

This is assumptions originated from fear of the unknown generally associated with African beliefs. White men are free from these kinda I'll assumptions that's why they are doing great exploit than Africans.

Anyone who heals the sick will know that demons manifest in many cases when ministering to a sick christian

Christians do fall sick, but that does not mean that they can be inflicted by demons. Deliverance ministers are not sincere enough to seperate the two. what have manifested each time they carry out deliverance to christians are not demon or anything spirit. Even demons inflicting non christians like the demon we read in the bible casted out by Jesus Christ, are not common this days again.

. Some demon will even talk “I AM SPIRIT OF DEATH “

The sound that they thought are demons talking are all psychotic physical experiences which dies down gradually and the individual becomes normal again. If you have ever encounter some psychiatric patients you will know what I'm talking about. They are all the same thing known as schizophrenia. It's a physical occurence associated to sick people just like hallucination

As I said earlier . Not every case is demonic .

That's true! But no christian possibly have demonic case. 1 John 4:3 implies that whoever believe have the spirit of God, not demon spirit,
cos Christ has made them a new creature.

rather, demon possession may be possible to non christians

But if a Christian experience a prolong circle of problem there’s a demon .

There is no scriptural basis for this assumption

shadeyinka:


I think you still mix up the word demonic possession with demonic afflictions.

When I get born again, does my Finances, Education, Job, Children, etc also born again.

To afflict a believer is destroying things that matter to such believer. Compare with Job...Satan could touch anything apart from Jobs life (he could even afflict Jobs soul and body).

In wars, if you cannot kill your enemy, you destroy his assets! So also is in Spiritual warfare.

A lot of Christians believe that men of God like Baba Adaboye, Bishop Oyedepo, Baba Kumuyi, Pastor Chris Oyakhilome etc don't visit Medical Doctors. By His stripes we are healed...doesn't mean Christians who fall sick are faithless. Our experience has helped us understand better the scripture.

Generational curses are negative consequences we experience due to the direct action of our ancestors.
The converse also is as real

Generational blessings are positive consequences we experience due to the direct action of our ancestors.

If I have SS genes, it is an effect of my past generation
If I am Otedola or Dangotes son, I will most likely be rich
If I am Keneth Hagin or Copeland's child, I will most likely be born again.
If I am a Jew, I am most likely going to be successful in life
If as a woman, I had HIV, my generations may inherit this and pass it down their own children..(are children not born with HIV?)

Our problems is that we narrow things down to demonic possessions when we talk generational curses.

You missed this question - How then does a newborn spirit still retain parts of his old spirit?

My dear, afflictions are part of life and happens to all - both the good and the bad. There is no point repeating the Finances, Job, Education part since my post clearly says being born again only affects your spiritual state.

I will prefer we stay on the topic of discussion which is Generational curses and not spiritual warfare. So since we agree that generational curses are spiritual, can you share some examples of these generational curses that Christians require to go for deliverance?

shadeyinka:


Please let's do an analysis of this scripture:
Lk4:39
So He (Jesus) bent over her and rebuked the fever, and it left her. She got up at once and began to wait on them.

Why would Jesus do that?
Fever isn't a living thing is it? Can one rebuke an inanimate thing?

I am not insinuating that this woman was demonized or not but to show that spiritual things are not always black and white.

It is obvious you have never ever seen a christian manifest during deliverance.

Once you experience one episode (especially if he is a very serious christian- humanly speaking).

Do you know that sometimes before a deliverance ministration is done, salvation in Christ is first ministered.

I will advise that you do a little research (by fellowshipping with ministries where deliverance is done).

It is either you will have my conclusion that Christians can be demonized OR that less than 50% of those who we know as born again are not!

Once there was a church who claimed that Christians shouldnt die until they hit 70years old. They will refuse to bury the dead of any Young person because God hasn't called them into the ministry of the dead.

Several years down the line, the ministry grew and expanded and of course more people mean that statistically more people will die.

Now, they have reversed that policy. They now know that Christians could die (they have even had cause to bury some of their young pastors).

In other words: faith without (the) works is DEAD.
The work is getting out to the field to DO that which is commanded

Preach
Heal
Cast out demons

Then Faith will come alive from the realm of THEORY and BLIND believes!

So, what exactly is the analysis drawn from that scripture? Are you aware that fever can be caused by demons or due to a breakdown in our immune system? Or did Jesus or his disciples go around casting demons out of everyone with a fever?

That someone goes to church regularly does not make them a Christian and yes, I would not be surprised to see such people manifest. Again, I repeat, I don't follow the typical naija style of 'serious christian' since they can often refer to serious churchgoers.

So, if you say Christians can be demonized and going by the examples you have given that means Christians can have demons and the holy spirit sharing the same temple, no? Can you kindly expatiate on this and please back it up with scriptures.

The example you gave about that Church in your post is typical of most Nigerian church where their doctrines or beliefs are not based on God's word but on human feelings or their misunderstanding of the bible. Faith without works refers to what exactly? Casting out demons from Christians? Is this what we were commanded to do? Did any of the early believers cast out demons from new converts? At least, if any group of people needed deliverance, it must have been the gentiles who worshipped all manner of gods.

Please, bring it on but let's divide the scripture - I don't want experiences with no scriptural backing becasue it's a good recipe for confusion.

petra1:


I don’t mean a disrespect , but from my experience many Christians who believe a Christian can’t have a demon mostly have demons . The enemy make them believe otherwise so that they can’t get help . When you lay hands on them a the demon manifest or speak through them. They are humbled especiall if there’s a video and they are able to see it they start crying . They are broken . There are certain things by which you detect the presence of a demon . Let me just mention one or two

If a woman experiences miscarriages especially if she experience sexual intercourse in the dream befor the miscarriage . It is. Certain a demon ( spiritual husband ) ! If it’s not cast out she can’t have a baby .

Anger , the anger that comes on a person that make him or her do things he regrets is demonic

A man Labours and every time he’s to receive . Things crashes .

Addiction to a habit .

Persistent struggle

Self pity

Recurrent Periodic experience or sickness . On certain dates or season .

Sexual experience in dreams

Missing items without explanation

Consistent missing monies

Unexplainable expenditure or how money went

Migraine headache (most times )

Strange marks of the body over night

Phobias

Allergies

I can go on and on .....

Some Christians who experience such may deny a demon needs being cast out . But when it’s cast out they are completely free.

Ok, Sir.

One question though - does the Holy Spirit in these 'believers' coexist with these demons or how does it work?

shadeyinka:

-Go to my profile on NL (click on shadeyinka)
-Look for "Send mail to shadeyinka)

I will respond God willing.
Stay blessed

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Processor01:



The Kennedys were believers?

Catholics. Born Roman Catholics. The curse in the family has to do with premature deaths of the "brightest stars" within the family except for the last born Edward Kennedy who saw real old age despite his many close shave with deaths.

Processor01:


Ok, Sir.

One question though - does the Holy Spirit in these 'believers' coexist with these demons or how does it work?

a christian cannot be possessed by a demon . demonic possession takes place in the spirit of a victim A christian cannot have demon in his spirit because thats Gods created abode. denomination takes place in the body or soul.

petra1:


a christian cannot be possessed by a demon . demonic possession takes place in the spirit of a victim A christian cannot have demon in his spirit because thats Gods created abode. denomination takes place in the body or soul.

Thanks.

So my next question - the demons you cast out of 'Christians', where exactly do they reside? In the spirit, soul or in the body of the 'Christians'?
Also, are generational curses spiritual? If so, how are they transmitted from one generation to the other?

RealGucci:
my late dad and his elder bro were enemies
same thing with me and my senior bros
we are enemies
anyday ge crosses my path id kill him

Please try and make peace with your bros. I know of a family from mbaise, imo state. All the male children 5 of them have all died except one who is a pastor. So curses are real.

JesusSonOfGod:


Thanks brother. 95% of people who commented did not read the post. I am trying to make them understand for people who have been tied and manipulated by the fear of generational curses that it does not exist when you are born again. To be born again, you have to follow strictly the commands of Jesus Christ

Brother i commend your work. However there's need to strike a balance here. By right generational curse should not affect a believer but there is a problem. People use their hands to 'enbondage' themselves again. Deut.28:15-68, this is called the curse of the law. When you are not consistent in your walk with Christ you can enslave yourself again.

@ Shadeyinka while i agree with most of the things you said, they are some i feel i should make a little remark on. Jesus indeed paid all our debts (every negative things of life). My experience tells much about this. Before 2015 i used to be afflicted by sickness at a particular time of the year until my faith came alive. The scriptures were so real and i threw all the drugs and stopped every form of medication. It's been 3 years now and im still counting. I shout it loud and clear that i can neve be sick again.

Concerning the op, you cant totally write him off because he is right to an extent, however, if you just believe without taking steps to claim your victory you will be perpetually suppressed.

God told the children of israel to take possession of the promised land even though they were told that it's been given to them.

JesusSonOfGod:


Jesus knew He will die, because this was why He was sent by God. He left His position in Heaven and came in form of human to be the lamb which will be slaughtered, so the blood would atone for our sins. He was God the Son before He came, He's God the Son and will always be. So he knew all that. Below are the scriptures to back it up.

But meanwhile, why He cried and asked God why He forsook Him was because He was in human form, the pain became much, he spoke as human. The pain became unbearable.

"'And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all peoples to Myself.' This He said, signifying by what death He would die" (John 12:32-33).

"From that time Jesus began to show to His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised the third day" (Matthew 16:21).

"Now while they were staying in Galilee, Jesus said to them, "The Son of Man is about to be betrayed into the hands of men, and they will kill Him, and the third day He will be raised up." And they were exceedingly sorrowful" (Matthew 17:22-23).

"Behold, we are going up to Jerusalem, and the Son of Man will be betrayed to the chief priests and to the scribes; and they will condemn Him to death, and deliver Him to the Gentiles to mock and to scourge and to crucify. And the third day He will rise again" (Matthew 20:18-19).

"And He began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things, and be rejected by the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again" (Mark 8:31).

"For He taught His disciples and said to them, "The Son of Man is being betrayed into the hands of men, and they will kill Him. And after He is killed, He will rise the third day." But they did not understand this saying, and were afraid to ask Him" (Mark 9:31-32).

"Behold, we are going up to Jerusalem, and the Son of Man will be betrayed to the chief priests and to the scribes; and they will condemn Him to death and deliver Him to the Gentiles; and they will mock Him, and scourge Him, and spit on Him, and kill Him. And the third day He will rise again" (Mark 10:33-34).

"And He strictly warned and commanded them to tell this to no one, saying, "The Son of Man must suffer many things, and be rejected by the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised the third day." Then He said to them all, "If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow Me" (Luke 9:21-23).

"Then He took the twelve aside and said to them, "Behold, we are going up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of Man will be accomplished. For He will be delivered to the Gentiles and will be mocked and insulted and spit upon. They will scourge Him and kill Him. And the third day He will rise again." But they understood none of these things; this saying was hidden from them, and they did not know the things which were spoken" (Luke 18:31-34).



Please, if you are not convinced yet, let me know, I will make out time to explain in the evening.

Honestly, you are a good person. A very good ambassador of the Christian faith. You are very spiritual and it shows in your approach to issues regarding religion, with particular reference to your responses to me on this very thread.

If all Christians are like you, believe me people will beg to become Christians.

In being very Frank, I appreciate you. God bless you.

JesusSonOfGod:
You are free from generational curses through repentance (being born again) and not by some kind of prayer points that sound like incantation.

nice piece

lemme point this out; the baptism that saves is not water baptism IT IS BAPTISM BY THE HOLY GHOST

again great piece

Processor01:


You cast out demons from Christians?!
Sigh... I wish you guys all the best and I pray the eyes of believers be open.

so you think demons can't attack a 'christian'?

Ratello:


You are a son in the kingdom, God bless you real good on your short but loaded expository discourse on GENERATIONAL CURSE which modern day Christianity hardly discuss. I love it when you chipped in the Kennedy Curse issue, it is a stark reality that Generational Curse is a universal thing. Edward Kennedy who happens to be the longest serving Senator in the history of US and the last son of the Kennedy Dynasty later confirmed the curse on the lineage. Generational curse is real. Salute to shadeyinka, I must confess you are good and deep!

generational curses are real, they all have limits.

an inherited curse based on a person's human lineage. natural it's not everytime every child born into a home that shares in such curses.

you break out from a family curse by breaking out from that lineage, this thing is simple but i don't have all the time to explain it now.

deliverance is bringing a man out of darkness, breaking inherited curses is what God does first.

histemple:


Honestly, you are a good person. A very good ambassador of the Christian faith. You are very spiritual and it shows in your approach to issues regarding religion, with particular reference to your responses to me on this very thread.

If all Christians are like you, believe me people will beg to become Christians.

In being very Frank, I appreciate you. God bless you.

Thanks alot. That's a great encouragement. May God continue to help us all. Thanks again.

jamescross:
so you think demons can't attack a 'christian'?

Sure, demons can attack Christians and they do almost everyday.
Now, can they reside in Christians - my answer is NO!

Happy to hear your views.

Processor01:


Sure, demons can attack Christians and they do almost everyday.
Now, can they reside in Christians - my answer is NO!

Happy to hear your views.

You are very correct. Nice one.

Processor01:


Thanks.

So my next question - the demons you cast out of 'Christians', where exactly do they reside? In the spirit, soul or in the body of the 'Christians'?

In the body or soul . It depends on what case is being dealt with . Most emotional torment or problem has to do with the soul . Addictions , Suicide , bitterness , Lust etc

Also, are generational curses spiritual?

Yes Of course

If so, how are they transmitted from one generation to the other?

The devils lay claim on everything illegally . For example one of the Christian women who I ministered to and had not had a child after marriage . The Demon was protesting “leave her alone , she’s my wife . Some came in through the fathers line and some through the mother .

Another case of a pastor who had diabetes which had cause four of his toes amputated . When ministering to him the demon said “ I am the idol of his fathers house . His father didn’t serve me I killed his with leg problem , this one also is supposed to serve me , I’m going to kill him , I’ve made him struggle , he ought to be a billionaire . . .”

I asked the pastor if his father died of leg issue he affirmed it and he was suprised how I knew .

There are people who had moving objects in their Tommy . There’s was a lady who was sick and after prayer she vomited a long pin.

There was a blind lady evangelist when ministered to demon claimed to be in her eyes . There are different demons for different organs of the body . Kidneys , blood , Skin etc .

It’s not every demonic cases that the demon Reside in the body . Some do afflict from outside .

Processor01:


Sure, demons can attack Christians and they do almost everyday.
Now, can they reside in Christians - my answer is NO!

Happy to hear your views.

I just remember a case of a lady I ministered to yestaerday . She always moves . If She works in a place, After some months she just leaves . She stays with someone after a time she moves . Always acusing everyone for not treating her right .

I spoke to her some years ago that she had Issues with marine spirits , spiritual husband , pride etc but she wouldn’t hear it . I told her that from my experience she can’t settle for marriage until these are cast out . She was offense claiming her body is the temple of the Holy Ghost . etc . I left the matter . 3 years have passed . Same story . She had left a good pharmaceutical job and now she sells ground nut . She even stop house fellowship and blaming her cell leader . When she finally called me and told be that’ people are saying something is wrong with her . I reminded her what I had told her I saw before . I told her on phone that it was spiritual .

I told her to say this prayer . “YOU SPIRIT OF INSTABILITY I REBUKE YOU . I COMMAND YOU IN THE NAME OF JESUS COME OUT!”

She called back and told be she did and she started belching and was asking what’s the meaning of that . I told her demons comes out by yawn , belching , farting, vomit , poo etc . I told her to come over for ministration but she still refused she said she has authority to cast it out . I agreed with her that every Christian has authority but not every Christian is trained to handle every case . We argued again .

I know it’s the demons trying to block her from help . I told her “ you only dealt with one that you identified what about the others you haven’t identified. We cut off communication again until 2 days ago she came over and I minister to her yesterday . Vomiting everywhere . Many many demons came out her after wasted years of pride and argument and many losses . She is so humbled now . Joyous and making confessions of her inheritance without any resistance . She has been making confessions of faith before but there was resistance .

Processor01:
Sure, demons can attack Christians and they do almost everyday.
Now, can they reside in Christians - my answer is NO!

Happy to hear your views.

My Aussie friend!
Long time, how the outback?

petra1:
I just remember a case of a lady I ministered to yestaerday. She always moves.
If She works in a place, After some months she just leaves.
She stays with someone after a time she moves.
Always acusing everyone for not treating her right

Sebi you're petra1
If you know Petra, you must be familiar with Simon then

The lady was unbalanced because the Petra/Peter rock of her personality was missing
She essentially, is Simon, without the Petra/Peter

It is the missing Petra/Peter in her, that was causing the Simon in her, to be drifting from place to place
She is incomplete without her rock, Petra/Peter, grounding her,
that is why, she swayed when under pressure and/or when in contact with any force that pushes her

petra1:
I spoke to her some years ago that she had Issues with marine spirits, spiritual husband, pride etc but she wouldn’t hear it.
I told her that from my experience she can’t settle for marriage until these are cast out.
She was offense claiming her body is the temple of the Holy Ghost etc. I left the matter. 3 years have passed. Same story.
She had left a good pharmaceutical job and now she sells ground nut.

Nothing wrong in selling groundnut
After all, somebody and/or someone has to sell groundnut for another to buy
if not, no one will see groundnut to buy

I know of one head of a blue chip high flying company in the city,
who one day, just woke up, decided he has had enough, so tendered his resignation
and went to go set up a landscape business
He swears by it, that he is more fulfilled with the landscape business than when he was working in the city

petra1:
She even stop house fellowship and blaming her cell leader.
When she finally called me and told be that’ people are saying something is wrong with her.
I reminded her what I had told her I saw before. I told her on phone that it was spiritual .

I told her to say this prayer. “YOU SPIRIT OF INSTABILITY I REBUKE YOU. I COMMAND YOU IN THE NAME OF JESUS COME OUT!”

She called back and told be she did and she started belching and was asking what’s the meaning of that.
I told her demons comes out by yawn, belching, farting, vomit, poo etc .
I told her to come over for ministration but she still refused she said she has authority to cast it out .
I agreed with her that every Christian has authority but not every Christian is trained to handle every case . We argued again

Does her not coming over for ministration pose or cause a barrier?
Is the assistance you aimed to give her subjected to a condition of her coming over?

petra1:
I know it’s the demons trying to block her from help.
I told her
“you only dealt with one that you identified
what about the others you haven’t identified

Do you really?
OK ooo

petra1:
We cut off communication again until 2 days ago she came over and I minister to her yesterday

How did you minister to her?
What does this imply?
Please give full details of all and what you did

petra1:
Vomiting everywhere .
Many many demons came out her after wasted years of pride and argument and many losses .
She is so humbled now. Joyous and making confessions of her inheritance without any resistance .
She has been making confessions of faith before but there was resistance

So, in short, you managed to identify all the others demons she couldnt identify by herself

Processor01:


You missed this question - How then does a newborn spirit still retain parts of his old spirit?

My dear, afflictions are part of life and happens to all - both the good and the bad. There is no point repeating the Finances, Job, Education part since my post clearly says being born again only affects your spiritual state.

I will prefer we stay on the topic of discussion which is Generational curses and not spiritual warfare. So since we agree that generational curses are spiritual, can you share some examples of these generational curses that Christians require to go for deliverance?

You asked a question: How then does a newborn spirit still retain parts of his old spirit?
Ans:
It is impossible for a newborn spirit to retain parts of his old spirit. Any christian who insinuates that does not know the power of redemption.

I guess that is where you misunderstand Christians who believe that salvation doesn't automatically erase all curses.

Let me break it down for you.
A human being is a TRINITY consisting of
BODY: Physical Identity
SOUL: Personal/Internal Identity
SPIRIT: Spiritual Identity

When a person becomes Born Again, His Spirit is RENEWED. His Spirit becomes a NEW person Sealed in Christ. The Holy Spirit gives his spirit a new Identity (Son of God).

What then happens to his Body and Soul and Possessions at the point of Salvation?
1. He is required to Present his Body to God as a living Sacrifice (because its not part of redemption)
2. He is required to Renew his Mind with the Word of God
3. He is required to honour the Lord with his Possessions

Now, he is not required to do any thing about his spirit? ( I don't know any command or requirement 'cause Christ paid it all)

My argument had always been:
that satan may have access to a Christians possessions if he doesn't do anything about it. (POVERTY and HARDSHIP)
that satan may have access to a Christians body if he doesn't do anything about it. (PERSISTENT SICKNESS)
that satan may have access to a Christians soul if he doesn't do anything about it. (UNGODLINESS and WORKS OF THE FLESH eg. Rage, Addictions, Fear, )

On the Soul, I used to know an USHER who was Kleptomaniac (it is difficult to conclude humanly speaking that she wasn't born again from what is known of her- she loves God, but she couldn't just help it)

I belive my point is clear.
SHALOM