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Centuries Between Obatala And Oduduwa by jara: 10:17am On Feb 12, 2018
I am forced to create this topic because there are Yoruba scholars here that can explain why Orunmila or Olorun that created Obatala in the B.C Era could be succeeded by Oduduwa centuries later.

Moreover, while Okanbi is known as the son of Oduduwa, there must be centuries between them. The same might be true between Okanbi and his children that later became Oba in Yoruba land and beyond.

One lesson we learned from Edo is that Uhe o bie Oba. It is the same Uhe that gave birth to other Oba in different lands of Yoruba heritage, even outside of Nigeria. So Uhe o bie Oba is a powerful message no matter how it is translated into Yoruba or English. We are in the time of individual pride where one group do not want to be regarded as the birth canal of the other.

There are now academic papers on Oduduwa Before Christ.

Macof, Olu17 and others please give your perspectives.
Re: Centuries Between Obatala And Oduduwa by macof(m): 2:32pm On Feb 12, 2018
You are mixing too many things up. Obatala and Oduduwa existed same era. They fought a war agaisnt eachother not up to a thousand years ago (BC era is out of it)

Who exactly is Okanbi? What are his exploits, what is he known for? What are his other names? This are genuine questions I still ask people. Because oduduwa had many children
Re: Centuries Between Obatala And Oduduwa by jara: 3:59pm On Feb 12, 2018
Thanks Macof.

macof:
You are mixing too many things up. Obatala and Oduduwa existed same era. They fought a war agaisnt eachother not up to a thousand years ago (BC era is out of it)

Who exactly is Okanbi? What are his exploits, what is he known for? What are his other names? This are genuine questions I still ask people. Because oduduwa had many children


You have to be careful though. If Olorun created Obatala as the forerunner according to Prof. Abimbola and other Yoruba historians, Yoruba existed before Christ in whatever name and we cannot dissociate B.C.

Thanks again.
Re: Centuries Between Obatala And Oduduwa by macof(m): 4:17pm On Feb 12, 2018
jara:
Thanks Macof.



You have to be careful though. If Olorun created Obatala as the forerunner according to Prof. Abimbola and other Yoruba historians, Yoruba existed before Christ in whatever name and we cannot dissociate B.C.

Thanks again.
yes but lets all be careful together grin The Obatala who was challenged by Oduduwa lived around 800-1000 years ago not in the BC era

Obatala in many myths is said to be the leader of Men and Yemoja leader of Women, when both men and women lived separately. Obatala is said to be the molder of human bodies. Obatala is said to have created the world in some myths (instead of oduduwa)
All these things that cannot be fit into history are just best regarded as part of the Pantheon itan that are motivated by spirituality

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Re: Centuries Between Obatala And Oduduwa by jara: 5:24pm On Feb 12, 2018
Ok. I agree that we should concentrate on oral history we can back up with science or historiography. Certainly Obatala existed as progeny or origin of man either in one form or another in either Ile-Ife, Sudan or close to Ethiopia according to DNA samples of early man.

Abraham religions created Adam and Eve, Buddhist had Buddha and Hindu as other religions had their own religious beliefs.

Yoruba Ile-Ife is closer to the place of origin of man than all these other religions.

Do you get the point I am trying to make?

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Re: Centuries Between Obatala And Oduduwa by macof(m): 8:54pm On Feb 12, 2018
jara:
Ok. I agree that we should concentrate on oral history we can back up with science or historiography. Certainly Obatala existed as progeny or origin of man either in one form or another in either Ile-Ife, Sudan or close to Ethiopia according to DNA samples of early man.

Abraham religions created Adam and Eve, Buddhist had Buddha and Hindu as other religions had their own religious beliefs.

Yoruba Ile-Ife is closer to the place of origin of man than all these other religions.

Do you get the point I am trying to make?

Yes I believe I get you.

But let's just take religion and myths carefully, all this talk of origin of man according to religions and cultures can be easily interpreted whichever way

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Re: Centuries Between Obatala And Oduduwa by Olu317(m): 7:13am On Feb 14, 2018
jara:
Thanks Macof.



You have to be careful though. If Olorun created Obatala as the forerunner according to Prof. Abimbola and other Yoruba historians, Yoruba existed before Christ in whatever name and we cannot dissociate B.C.

Thanks again.
As it regard creation, the IFA corpus has three version and two were a bit political while the last version seem to fit well because the last version didn't recognised neither Oba tala nor Odua but Orunméla. My spirit being and my body agreed to this because the man from the East, known as Odua/Adimula/Adimunia was a mortal man that died ,so also did Oba tala.How do the two version corpus gave a different historical account while the third gave all creation and creative power to Eledumare? The three corpus agreed Eledumare (Almighty God) created word uncountable years ago known as Ela in its full form.And these two men were not there. Perhaps ,those who can interpret it better can explain the intricacies.

You can check out the IFA corpus and explanation of “The Yoruba Metaphysical concept of Ori" on destee.com ; Revelation by Awo Dino.
Re: Centuries Between Obatala And Oduduwa by jara: 4:20pm On Feb 14, 2018
Olu317,

Thanks. It is not only Yoruba complexity. What you just split wide open was what gave rise to Adam and Eve, even when we know the contradiction that their children wondered away to marry other people.

Different groups have filled this same void created by Eledumare with Buddha etc.

Yoruba, as the Bible, Koran or Hindu religion, filled this void with their earliest man or woman.

In the case of Yoruba, it was Oba-tala and later Oduduwa. Oduduwa is not only recognized by today Yoruba alone, Oduduwa is known as Adumu by Ijaw and close names from Benin Republic to the West Indies and South America.

So it is not like Yoruba just woke up in 2000 and invented Oduduwa.

This is why some historians stated that if Oduduwa followed Obatala, he must have been here before Christ.

Thanks for opening up the void again.
Re: Centuries Between Obatala And Oduduwa by Olu317(m): 8:43pm On Feb 14, 2018
jara:
Olu317,

Thanks. It is not only Yoruba complexity. What you just split wide open was what gave rise to Adam and Eve, even when we know the contradiction that their children wondered away to marry other people.

Different groups have filled this same void created by Eledumare with Buddha etc.

Yoruba, as the Bible, Koran or Hindu religion, filled this void with their earliest man or woman.

In the case of Yoruba, it was Oba-tala and later Oduduwa. Oduduwa is not only recognized by today Yoruba alone, Oduduwa is known as Adumu by Ijaw and close names from Benin Republic to the West Indies and South America.

So it is not like Yoruba just woke up in 2000 and invented Oduduwa.

This is why some historians stated that if Oduduwa followed Obatala, he must have been here before Christ.

Thanks for opening up the void again.
Re: Centuries Between Obatala And Oduduwa by Olu317(m): 6:59am On Feb 15, 2018
jara:
Olu317,

Thanks. It is not only Yoruba complexity. What you just split wide open was what gave rise to Adam and Eve, even when we know the contradiction that their children wondered away to marry other people.

Different groups have filled this same void created by Eledumare with Buddha etc.

Yoruba, as the Bible, Koran or Hindu religion, filled this void with their earliest man or woman.

In the case of Yoruba, it was Oba-tala and later Oduduwa. Oduduwa is not only recognized by today Yoruba alone, Oduduwa is known as Adumu by Ijaw and close names from Benin Republic to the West Indies and South America.

So it is not like Yoruba just woke up in 2000 and invented Oduduwa.

This is why some historians stated that if Oduduwa followed Obatala, he must have been here before Christ.

Thanks for opening up the void again.
BC, would have so true because account of Ogun(Og) known as god of war in yoruba account or associated with war which is recorded in the Bible,and archeological account in the middle East testify to his personality as a title of a Canaanite king . In fact Ogun—Og remained near same description of the personality . This seems to show a retentive memory of the the lookalike personality of these man .In part of the struggle between Oba tala and Odua, one thing is always certain, there were account of three destruction that took place before and after Odua( Adimunia) took control . This account also is a look alike an account in Egypt. This is one of the reason I am tempted to agree that the account existed before Christ. Although, the name Odua continued as a title because in an ancient account , the spirit of Odua was always upon his descendants that mount the position known as Ooni.
Re: Centuries Between Obatala And Oduduwa by SicilianMafia: 11:00am On Feb 15, 2018
What rubbish is this one talking about, better remove Edo from this nonsense !! Norbe only Uhe na Jacky chan and jet Lee.... Typing nonsense that mean nothing in Edo language , better stick solely to your boring Yoruba fairy tales
Re: Centuries Between Obatala And Oduduwa by googi: 5:25pm On Feb 15, 2018
Do you follow Yoruba topics everywhere?

SicilianMafia
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What rubbish is this one talking about, better remove Edo from this nonsense !! Norbe only Uhe na Jacky chan and jet Lee.... Typing nonsense that mean nothing in Edo language , better stick solely to your boring Yoruba fairy tales

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