naija pastors / Alfas do worst things

gidjah:
stop been bitter and open your eyes to higher and truer level of love.Jesus WOnt do that, a true child of the most High won't do that either.Above all, every honest Christian will condemn a bad habit no matter whose ox is goured !/

You should get my point here, some individuals and groups of lunatics are not representing Islam. Where did hear or see Muslims supporting the act of dis demonic ones claiming they are fighting for Islam.

goodheart02:



You saw church of England and you're still asking if he's catholic. You never saw the title of Rev.Fr. attached to his name yet you still asked that question. You read where it was written "Vicar of West Ham parish" and not "Parish priest" yet you asked that same question. Well, to answer your question, he's not a catholic. Catholics don't have vicars. Try to google what "church of England" means. I don't want to mention any church here.

By the way, what do you have against catholics??

I'm not answering this question again, for the answer read one of my prior posts.

CAUGHT in the ACT!!!
This is how they ALL roll and enjoy self while pretending and deceiving the sheeple fellowsheeps and followsheeps. And when i say ALL OF THEM, I mean ALL of them, with no exemptions. Chai!

Onechancearmy:



That's because the roots of violence, sexual immorality and ignorance in Islamabad can be traced directly to its founder and his personal conduct.

I see no sense in your post. Islam permits us to marry 1 or more wives (which some Christians also practice, hidden) Allah gives a condition to more than one wife, which is "JUST" there're lots to this but some of you don't understand and not ready to understand. I'll ask u 2 questions.

1. Are you truly doing justice between your parents.

2. Explain the verse below.

Les:
I won't say much on that cos I don't really know what qualifies one in being a Muslim. What qualifies someone in being a Christian is not really same with what qualifies one to be a Muslim and as such,  same principles can't and shouldn't be applied to both.

How then did you come to the conclusion  that "same principles can't and shouldn't be applied to both" if you "DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT QUALIFIES ONE TO BEING A MUSLIM?"
You see one of the major reasons why our world is bleeding at our feet is because of IGNORANT and ARROGANT people. These group of people don't stand for TRUTH nor for JUSTICE because they have a rigid mentality unwilling to LEARN let alone UNDRESTAND

"How many and deep are the divisions between human beings! Not only are there divisions between races, nations, classes and religions but also an almost total incomprehension between the sexes, the old and young, the sick and the healthy. THERE WOULD BE NO 'PEACEFUL' SOCIETY IF LIVING TOGETHER DOES NOT DEPEND UPON UNDERSTANDING EACH OTHER" . (Eric Hoffer, Reflection on the Human condition)

Too many people have been so conditioned not to see beyond their nose by ideologies and beliefs that is not even their own discovery.
The message in my comment is very clear. There is no reason to be running in circles.

ameri9ja:


One big difference: He is not killing people in the name of Christianity and shouting "god is great" while doing it, in hopes of being rewarded with paradise and 72 virgins!

Read my post again and quote me when you understand it both sides.

Adamh:


The ignorance and stupidity is strong with this one.

But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me. Luke 19:27

In context, the above verse is apparently talking about the things Jesus would do upon his second coming. Not exactly the pacifist you asshats claim him to be, is he?

I've been following this thread with interest and I notice you failed to address the deep moral flaws, ignorance and sexual promiscuity and perversions of your "prophet"

When Jesus comes a second time, he is coming as a Judge. He will judge the world with righteousness:

Psalm 9:8 When he shall judge the world in righteousness, he shall minister judgment to the people in uprightness.

There is no contradiction between being a righteous judge and being a pacifist.

Topestbilly:


Read my post again and quote me when you understand it both sides.

Are you denying that the violence and intolerance of Muhammad as reflected in the Koran, Sunna and Hadith have nothing to do my Islam?

WORDWORLD:


Seems like you just opened the gates for pounding Muslims and Islam. Its a delight on this forum to some Non Muslims.

Yes, and looking from my point of view we (Muslims) should be rejoicing over it, because they're not sure of the part they're trading, they're scared how more igbos and some Christians are converting to Islam even with all the propaganda.

WORDWORLD:


How then did you come to the conclusion  that "same principles can't and shouldn't be applied to both" if you "DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT QUALIFIES ONE TO BEING A MUSLIM?"
You see one of the major reasons why our world is bleeding at our feet is because of IGNORANT and ARROGANT people. These group of people don't stand for TRUTH nor for JUSTICE because they have a rigid mentality unwilling to LEARN let alone UNDRESTAND

"How many and deep are the divisions between human beings! Not only are there divisions between races, nations, classes and religions but also an almost total incomprehension between the sexes, the old and young, the sick and the healthy. THERE WOULD BE NO 'PEACEFUL' SOCIETY IF LIVING TOGETHER DOES NOT DEPEND UPON UNDERSTANDING EACH OTHER" . (Eric Hoffer, Reflection on the Human condition)

Too many people have been so conditioned not to see beyond their nose by ideologies and beliefs that is not even their own discovery.
The message in my comment is very clear. There is no reason to be running in circles.

because we are entirely different ppl with different opinions with different beliefs with different doctrines with different attitudes with different Lords. Theres not so much a similarity between Christianity and Islam and as such I stand justified. Hope that answers your question though!

Les:
because we are entirely different ppl with different opinions with different beliefs with different doctrines with different attitudes with different Lords. Theres not so much a similarity between Christianity and Islam and as such I stand justified. Hope that answers your question though!

Will the opinions of Muslims be different from that comment of yours if an Imam is the subject matter? BE HONEST! There is no reason to be running up and down trying to make what is plain and ambiguity.

chikago1:
If he is not a believer, how then was he made a vicar and lives in a house owned by the church?

none of those things you mentioned and even more qualifies one to being a believer, I believe I was clear enough on whi isn't believer. Read your Bible, alot of ppl claim what they are not even the angel of darkness transforms himself to be like the angel of light, thank you!

ifrosh:


even that ur so call jesus will queue behind someone ni on the day of resurrection.....
so be humble and sit down.

OK sir, excess love bro!

WORDWORLD:


Will the opinions of Muslims be different from that comment of yours if an Imam is the subject matter? BE HONEST!

I still take you back to my previous comments, I don't know what qualifies one to be a Muslim cos we are entirely different ppl with different opinions and views and beliefs and conceptions and what have you. So I believe that question is beat directed to you Muslims!

WORDWORLD:


Exactly what Topestbilly is saying. And that is, if only this line of thinking as your quote above is applied when MUSA and ABDULLAHI do the same and you dont ascribe it to Islam but a malpractice of its principles. Such honest judgements will make a peaceful world.

Thanks for illuminating my point more. Some of this Christians level of hypocrisy is over alarming.

Les:
I still take you back to my previous comments, I don't know what qualifies one to be a Muslim cos we are entirely different ppl with different opinions and views and beliefs and conceptions and what have you. So I believe that question is beat directed to you Muslims!

Like i rightly said IGNORANT and ARROGANT people are mostly responsible for what the world is today. Have a great day!

Xbee007:
Aren't we all hypocrite After snorting cocaine, the dude will go to the pulpit and preach to the world as if he is the saintest man on earth.
Pastor party Suleiman.
Chief Imams that makes bathing soaps out of human body parts.
Vatican Fathers that shags little boys.
Catholic Sisters that practice lesbianism...

My point exactly, attack the criminal if you must but leave the religion and innocent followers alone. No religion is free of bad eggs.

Church of England is the Anglican church.
don't be in a hurry to attach it to where it doesn't belong.

khiaa:
It is sad that people worship these pieces of shyts. Is he Catholic?

WORDWORLD:
Like i rightly said IGNORANT and ARROGANT people are mostly responsible for what the world is today. Have a great day!

you too love!

Les:
you too love!

Thank you! Embracing Intellectual elasticity will go a long way in building bridges in a world of differences if only our education is geared towards fashioning minds to possess powerful faculties of reasoning. Unfotunately, it conforms a very large number to being unable to use their own head, worse IRRATIONAL . Bye!

saouri:
Church of England is the Anglican church.
don't be in a hurry to attach it to where it doesn't belong.

I didn't attach it anywhere, I asked a question.

Hmmm

slurity1:
The story did not call him a pastor but Rev

Thank you for drawing my attention to what this man is called in the story "Rev". I actually skimmed through the content of the thread which ORIGINAL TITLE before it has now gone through editing had the word PASTOR. Thank you and do have a great day.

Fkforyou:
When you have a crack head as your pastor..

That's holy forces in High Places....

Free am jare.

He wants to communicate with the Most high...

So he has to be high before communicating with the most high?

TheLogicalMind:


I've been following this thread with interest and I notice you failed to address the deep moral flaws, ignorance and sexual promiscuity and perversions of your "prophet"

When Jesus comes a second time, he is coming as a Judge. He will judge the world with righteousness:

Psalm 9:8 When he shall judge the world in righteousness, he shall minister judgment to the people in uprightness.

There is no contradiction between being a righteous judge and being a pacifist.

Okay, you idiot. It seems I will have to deal with you properly with refutations.

The true God worshipped by Christians is a righteous God who punishes evil no matter who commits the evil. The Christian God looks at the world in terms of righteousness and sinfulness and he deals with human beings STRICTLY on those terms.

The 'true God' worshipped by Christians is a warped image of God that has an almighty God belittle himself to become a man and somehow him sacrificing himself (even though it's hardly a sacrifice since he was captured and crucified against his will to the point he was asking God why he'd forsaken him) will rid man of his sins.

The idea of God's becoming more human to understand us is an unoriginal idea that is most popularly known in mythologies like the Greek demigods and so on.

We Muslims believe the opposite. We don't believe that God has to come closer to us, but that we have to come closer to him. We believe that God is the greatest, the most merciful, the most righteous and the most loving.

We believe that nothing can compare to God, and that God is one in his uniqueness and he is not arrogant nor would he do something as illogical as belittling himself to mortal status to understand his creations, nor does he need to die a faux death to forgive us of a sin that shouldn't have been there in the first place.

initials “Satan We Trust” (S.W.T.) and our Saviour is not like your fake illiterate “prophet” Sex Award Winner (S.A.W). Our GOD does not play favourites.
The Bible clearly states that the wages of sin is death. Anywhere God’s Divine Wrath is stirred up by disobedience, it is always met with stern punishment.

Your God does not play favorites? Then explain to me the relationship between God the 'father' and his so called son 'Jesus'. Explain to me the relationship between God and any of his messengers in the Bible.

Explain to me why God only saved the believers from his wrath in the bibles. Clearly, God, in any iterations, favors the believers over the disobedient.

However, we Muslims believe that God will forgive anyone of their sins no matter how great the sins are, so far they take measures to repent and never repeat those sins when they're alive. Even after death, we believe God can still forgive someone, the exception being unless they associate partners with him, like what you Christians are doing.

Your “prophet” was a shameless womanizer and rapist who snatched Zainab the wife of his own adopted son Zaid!

Firstly, we in Islam have different rules concerning adoption, the most important being that one can never adopt someone to bear their name as their sons i.e. if you adopt a child, but are not married to that child's parent, the child will bear his original parents last name and not yours.

Secondly, the story between Zaid, Zaynab and Muhammed (SAW) is a long one. Long story short, Zaid wanted to divorce his wife Zaynab because she was racist towards him, but Muhammad urged him to be patient and remain with her. However, God commanded Muhammad that Zaid would divorce her, and when he does, Muhammad should marry Zaynab.

Muhammad was understandably troubled by the command, but the inevitable happened and Zaid eventually divorced his wife. Muhammad followed up on the command and married her.


You also quoted a Hadith, but as expected of an ignorant person, you did not provide the full version, which I will quote below for your ignorant mind to digest

Sahih al-Bukhari Book 71 Hadith 661
Narrated 'Aisha: Magic was worked on Allah's Apostle so that he began to imagine that he had done something although he had not. One day while he was with me, he invoked Allah and invoked for a long period and then said, "O 'Aisha! Do you know that Allah has instructed me regarding the matter I asked Him about?" I asked, "What is that, O Allah's Apostle?" He said, "Two men came to me; one of them sat near my head and the other sat near my feet. One of them asked his companion, 'What is the disease of this man?' The other replied, 'He is under the effect of magic.' The first one asked, 'Who has worked magic on him?" The other replied, 'Labid bin A'sam, a Jew from the tribe of Bani Zuraiq.' The (first one asked), 'With what has it been done?' The other replied, 'With a a comb and the hair stuck to it and a skin of the pollen of a male datepalm tree.' The first one asked, 'Where is it?' The other replied, 'In the well of Dharwan.' Then the Prophet went along with some of his companions to that well and looked at that and there were date palms near to it. Then he returned to me and said, 'By Allah the water of that well was (red) like the infusion of Henna leaves and its date-palms were like the heads of devils" I said, O Allah's Apostle! Did you take those materials out of the pollen skin?" He said, 'No! As for me Allah has healed me and cured me and I was afraid that (by Showing that to the people) I would spread evil among them when he ordered that the well be filled up with earth, and it was filled up with earth "

Not only did you not post the full version, but you posted a deliberate mistranslation of it. Just like Christianity, you're a joke.

]Getting high on inspirations[/quote]
Somethings you need to get high
To understand the most high

saouri:
Church of England is the Anglican church.
don't be in a hurry to attach it to where it doesn't belong.

You catholics are too sensitive, I asked a question because I didn't know. I didn't say he was Catholic, besides it's not like Catholics are without their dirt just like the rest of the false religions.

The Bible was written as a guide on how God wanted us to live our lives, not something to be worshipped it was man who turned it into a thing of worship. Religion is man-made, that's Why I believe in the Spiritual Higher Power, not a religion.

Adamh:


Okay, you idiot. It seems I will have to deal with you properly with refutations.



The 'true God' worshipped by Christians is a warped image of God that has an almighty God belittle himself to become a man and somehow him sacrificing himself (even though it's hardly a sacrifice since he was captured and crucified against his will to the point he was asking God why he'd forsaken him) will rid man of his sins.

The idea of God's becoming more human to understand us is an unoriginal idea that is most popularly known in mythologies like the Greek demigods and so on.

We Muslims believe the opposite. We don't believe that God has to come closer to us, but that we have to come closer to him. We believe that God is the greatest, the most merciful, the most righteous and the most loving.

We believe that nothing can compare to God, and that God is one in his uniqueness and he is not arrogant nor would he do something as illogical as belittling himself to mortal status to understand his creations, nor does he need to die a faux death to forgive us of a sin that shouldn't have been there in the first place.



Your God does not play favorites? Then explain to me the relationship between God the 'father' and his so called son 'Jesus'. Explain to me the relationship between God and any of his messengers in the Bible.

Explain to me why God only saved the believers from his wrath in the bibles. Clearly, God, in any iterations, favors the believers over the disobedient.

However, we Muslims believe that God will forgive anyone of their sins no matter how great the sins are, so far they take measures to repent and never repeat those sins when they're alive. Even after death, we believe God can still forgive someone, the exception being unless they associate partners with him, like what you Christians are doing.



Firstly, we in Islam have different rules concerning adoption, the most important being that one can never adopt someone to bear their name as their sons i.e. if you adopt a child, but are not married to that child's parent, the child will bear his original parents last name and not yours.

Secondly, the story between Zaid, Zaynab and Muhammed (SAW) is a long one. Long story short, Zaid wanted to divorce his wife Zaynab because she was racist towards him, but Muhammad urged him to be patient and remain with her. However, God commanded Muhammad that Zaid would divorce her, and when he does, Muhammad should marry Zaynab.

Muhammad was understandably troubled by the command, but the inevitable happened and Zaid eventually divorced his wife. Muhammad followed up on the command and married her.


You also quoted a Hadith, but as expected of an ignorant person, you did not provide the full version, which I will quote below for your ignorant mind to digest



Not only did you not post the full version, but you posted a deliberate mistranslation of it. Just like Christianity, you're a joke.

I quoted the relevant details of your fake "prophet's" illegitimate behaviour and abnormal sexual appetite.

Quoting the whole Hadith will not do anything to exonerate the behaviour of prophet Sex Award Winner (SAW).

No matter how hard you try to spin a yarn, your prophet's record speaks for itself. He was simply an immoral man.


When Hafsat, one of muhammad’s wives discovered that Muhammad was sexually exploiting her house-girl Mariyah by having sex with her behind Hafsat’s back, she became very angry with Muhammad and threatened to tell his other wives about his scandalous behaviour. So Muhammad begged her and swore an oath that he would no longer sleep with Mariyah:
The Prophet said, control yourself and let me go for I make her (Mariyah)
haram to me. Hafsa said, I do not accept, unless you swear for me. That Hazrat
(his holiness) said,
by Allâh I will not touch her again.”
Tabaqat volume 8, page 223

But even after swearing to Hafsat that he has made Mariyah “haram” and that he will not touch her again, Muhammad still wanted to have sex with her, so Allah sent down one of his convenient “revelations” for Muhammad:
O Prophet! Why do you ban (for yourself) that which Allâh has made
lawful to you, seeking to please your wives? And Allâh is Oft-
Forgiving, Most Merciful.

Allâh has already ordained for you (O men), the dissolution of your
Oaths to your wives;

And Allâh is your Maula (Lord, or Master, or Protector, etc.) and
He is the All-Knower, the All-Wise.
Quran Chapter 66:1-2.

So Allah allowed Muhammad to break his oath whenever Muhammad could not control his sexual urge to sleep with other women.

No wonder the non-muslims in Medina used to refer to muslims as fools. It was because Muhammad could always deceive his followers very easily.

khiaa:
It is sad that people worship these pieces of shyts. Is he Catholic?

you think if he was, it wouldn't be contained in the post? He's a Rev. Catholic ministers are Rev. Fr.

Topestbilly:


Read my post again and quote me when you understand it both sides.

I read it again. That priest knows he is doing wrong. Suicide bombers are doing it to get quickly to paradise.

Like the rest of the false religions
You need to watch your words...
Don't start a fire that you cannot quench (& by this I mean, DO NOT BLASPHEM).
Ignore what you know nothing about.

The Catholic church has been around over 2000 years. How come? Which ''falsity'' lasts so long?

The Bible is the WORD OF GOD.
GOD IS THE WORD and THE WORD IS GOD!!!
The words in the Bible are not mere literature.They carry power.
They carry power because GOD HIMSELF IS THE WORD (The Bible)...
#StayWoke
#PeaceOut and good luck with your beliefs

khiaa:


You catholics are too sensitive, I asked a question because I didn't know. I didn't say he was Catholic, besides it's not like Catholics are without their dirt just like the rest of the false religions.

The Bible was written as a guide on how God wanted us to live our lives, not something to be worshipped it was man who turned it into a thing of worship. Religion is man-made, that's Why I believe in the Spiritual Higher Power, not a religion.