Vecto:
But you'd have to admit most polytechnic graduates usually fare better than university graduates when it comes to who has the real practical exposure to what is being studied.

Most guys in my department then writing lower or pass, on getting to the universities were writing upper class. It's not something to argue about. Poly students head dey hot.

Practical is not very difficult, you can be very good in practicals without going for advanced studies. The most difficult part of any field is the theory and that is the backbone of all practicals.

Practically polytechnics a better of than universities

Most of the poly grads I meet are very sharp intellectually and can defend their certificate better than uni grads

POLYTECHNIC students would be here to exercise their superiority based on practical experience. But I've been on both waters. The practical aspects is load of illusions. Most of their coursework are very outdated. They focus only on their departmental course for five years. I mean no borrowed course from other departments in same faculties. The majority of their lecturers are bachelor of science graduate even at lower cadre, NCe.
Even they would deny that inexperienced corper would teach them a core course in their first year.

Simply, OP is a polytechnic graduate

The choice is yours
Choose the University or Polytechnic

I refuse to let the darkness in others dim my light. I'm proud to be a kwara State polytechnic student.

12submarine:

Practical is not very difficult, you can be very good in practicals without going for advanced studies. The most difficult part of any field is the theory and that is the backbone of all practicals.

You must be joking man. Can you imagine someone teaching you to swim or drive a vehicle, within four walls of a classroom? It is impossible!! You have to get into the water to learn swimming and you have to be out on the road to learn driving. Some subjects are skill based and practice oriented.

Theoretical knowledge of skill- based subjects needs to be supported by practice. Subjects like teaching and engineering are skill based. In these subjects, practical knowledge is more important than theoretical knowledge. Practical work includes experiments in laboratories, study tours, projects, assignments etc. the advantages of practical work are unmatched. Getting theoretical knowledge has no value until students can apply it for practical purposes.

Education is an advance slavery in nigeria, embrace entrepreneurship

[/b]As a matter of fact, in the UK, the highest diploma awarded in a Polytechnic, a HND, will allow the recipient register for the 2nd year of a 3 year degree. This clearly states that the value is short of a degree.[b]


I hate it when pple just jump on the internet to write rubbish because they have access to data.
HND in the UK is a second level degree programme and you are allowed to apply and ll be admitted to 3rd year, the reason is that HND in the Uk is a two year program total of 240 credit load and when you are admitted into third year you ll have to take the remain 120 credit load which sums up to 360 credit load which is the total crdit load you are required to take before obtainig a degree in the UK.

Nigeria HND is higher than the British HND, because Nigeria HND takes a total of five years to complete (including I.T)and has over 360 credit load (if you sum up the total credit load from ND to HND). In Nigeria Universities the total credit load to obtain a degree is 120, of which you will agree that the Poly guys are being short changed.

Never you compare Nigeria HND to any HND programme in the world because it is higher and "unique " interms of content and credit loads.
Our ministry of education lack the vision to re-structure our HND programme to meet the mordern day system.

Don't get me wrong I'm not here to compare Poly to Uni,no that is no the issue.
It is time the law that established Poly is re-visited, countries like Ghana, Namibia etc have upgraded and started phasing out Poly gradually.

obawinner:
POLYTECHNIC students would be here to exercise their superiority based on practical experience. But I've been on both waters. The practical aspects is load of illusions. Most of their coursework are very outdated. They focus only on their departmental course for five years. I mean no borrowed course from other departments in same faculties. The majority of their lecturers are bachelor of science graduate even at lower cadre, NCe.
Even they would deny that inexperienced corper would teach them a core course in their first year.

You call *practical* load of *illusions*? Are you serious?

Efficient learning relies mostly on application of a skill rather than just memorising. When you learn something new, you imagine and visualize it, but that's just the theoretical aspect. You don't do the main stuff. In science we do the main stuff and that's practical.

If most of our scientists were just theoretical oriented based we'd still be counting stars in the night.

Nukilia:
Both are useless institutions in Nigeria

Supported! Both are such a shithole. But funny thing is some of us university graduates think we are better off than our counterpart from polytechnic.

Vecto:
You must be joking man. Can you imagine someone teaching you to swim or drive a vehicle, within four walls of a classroom? It is impossible!! You have to get into the water to learn swimming and you have to be out on the road to learn driving. Some subjects are skill based and practice oriented.

Theoretical knowledge of skill- based subjects needs to be supported by practice. Subjects like teaching and engineering are skill based. In these subjects, practical knowledge is more important than theoretical knowledge. Practical work includes experiments in laboratories, study tours, projects, assignments etc. the advantages of practical work are unmatched. Getting theoretical knowledge has no value until students can apply it for practical purposes.

You cannot get an engineer with complete practical and theoretical knowledge at the same time. No professor in mechanical engineering can strip and assemble a car, yet professors are recognised even in advanced countries. Division of labour is what makes engineering to be divided into categories. Engineers, technologists and craftmen. Uni graduates are engineers and poly graduates are technologists. Take it or argue the way you like, universities graduates are justifiably graded ahead of their poly counterparts even in the labour markets. Just imagine dealing with complex electromagnetic waves on the field when you don't know the theory behind it.
Ask yourself this question, why do multinationals place university graduates ahead of poly graduates both in grade level and salaries? Or do you think those companies don't know what they are doing. Theory is more difficult than practicals. You don't need advanced education to be good in practicals. Have you also wondered why there are more cases of withdrawals from universities than in polytechnics? Driving and swimming don't require intensive academics. You should be talking about things like engineering etc.

Vecto:
You must be joking man. Can you imagine someone teaching you to swim or drive a vehicle, within four walls of a classroom? It is impossible!! You have to get into the water to learn swimming and you have to be out on the road to learn driving. Some subjects are skill based and practice oriented.

Theoretical knowledge of skill- based subjects needs to be supported by practice. Subjects like teaching and engineering are skill based. In these subjects, practical knowledge is more important than theoretical knowledge. Practical work includes experiments in laboratories, study tours, projects, assignments etc. the advantages of practical work are unmatched. Getting theoretical knowledge has no value until students can apply it for practical purposes.

How do you expect the university degree holders to have any respect for Polytechnic Diploma holders when you actually expect a driver of a car to be more important than the designers of the car.

I believe this one is still a student in the polytechnic and is yet to see how the engineering industry really works.

haslaw:



How do you expect the university degree holders to have any respect for Polytechnic Diploma holders when you actually expect a driver of a car to be more important than the designers of the car.

Abi o.

KeenMind:
In Nigeria, both Institutions are epitome of unimaginable failure.

More pitiable are the chest-beating graduates of Nigerian Universities who think they're better off than their counterparts in the Polytechnics.

To me, Universities and Polytechnics in Nigeria are like two knives in the house of the unfortunate - the one with a good handle is blunt, the one with sharp edges has a spoilt handle.

[i] Una no go kill person for this Nairaland

Very funny analogy

12submarine:

That is a lie. In engineering family, poly graduates are technologists while uni graduates qualify for engineers (having duly registered with the regulating bodies) Engineering is not just about hands on the tools, theories are very important and that is the most difficult aspect of engineering. Good knowledge of the theory of electromagnetic waves is the backbone of all wireless communications and this is note treated extensively in polytechnics. Have you ever wondered why telecom firms prefer uni graduates to poly grad? Engineering is not just about spanner, screw drivers and testers, the most difficult part of engineering is the theory.

Really? So blowing grammar is better than regalities?
I was humbled by the poly graduates in our quality control Lab at strides pharmaceuticals. I felt bad.

Halifaxguy:


Supported! Both are such a shithole. But funny thing is some of us university graduates think we are better off than our counterpart from polytechnic.

We are all caught up in a sham!

This recycled and old meaningless argument and comparisons of a failed educational nation has been raised again

I still don't know why mediocrity, nepotism, condemnation, corruption and unhealthy comparison thrive among youths

Education is very paramount but people should learn to embrace entrepreneurship and stop getting worked up over which certification supersedes the other

There are a lot of graduates roaming the streets. The earlier people know this the better for them

JARUSHUB:
There has been a historic and general discrimination against Nigerian polytechnic graduates, obviously to the disheartenment, discomfort and chagrin of these graduates. To judge if polytechnic graduates are on par with University graduates, one needs to understand the fundamental difference and aims between both types of institutions. Universities are degree-awarding institutions created by the Nigerian government to focus on research work and train students on the theoretical reasons and logic behind a certain field, they offer mainly non-vocational subjects. As a university graduate, you are usually a pseudo-scholar.

Polytechnics on the other hand are diploma-awarding institutions created by the Nigerian government to focus on practical application of the theories of respective fields and some of the courses offered are in vocational subjects. As a polytechnic graduate, you are usually a professional technician. Outside Nigeria, some polytechnics are known to be heavily involved in research work as well as practical application, but to the best of my knowledge, I think the Nigerian education system is structured differently and the “Universities of Technology” (like FUTO, FUTA etc.) cover these research spaces, not the Polytechnics. In Nigeria, entry into Polytechnics usually requires a lower academic standard than entry into Universities. Furthermore the end product of a Polytechnic education, a diploma, is inferior in value to the end product of a University education, an academic degree. As a matter of fact, in the UK, the highest diploma awarded in a Polytechnic, a HND, will allow the recipient register for the 2nd year of a 3 year degree. This clearly states that the value is short of a degree.

The reality is that scholarly work is intellectually more stretching than practical applications. All these do not mean that the Polytechnic graduate is necessarily inferior or irrelevant; it just means their avenue is not the pinnacle of academic challenge. Neither does it mean all university graduates are better academically than all Polytechnic graduates. As a matter of fact, many countries in Europe like Germany have a system that kind of blends the 2 format together, i.e. students learn both the theory and the application over many years. That is why unlike the UK where students graduate at around 21, in Germany, students graduate at 25 years plus.


In a sane society, which Nigeria is not one, both graduates have their importance in helping to develop the economy and would fit right into the economic system and the rampant stupidity of making polytechnic graduates feel less human would not exist. Yes, a university degree is superior but practical application is important, what the government needs to do is stop this stupid discrimination plus also provide an avenue for poly-graduates (that choose) to progress over many years, whether through classroom-based teaching or practical application, to qualify for a degree-level certification to put them on par with university graduates. All the discriminatory bar on Poly-graduates from progressing to the peak in civil service must cease and be banned.

http://www.jarushub.com/sagamite-are-polytechnics-on-par-with-universities/

HND/OND ain't at the Same level with Bsc.

Case closed.

in other countries of the world polytechnic is for technical education n can't be compare to universities their even though none is segregated but here in nigeria, this is the truth; they are not the same, most people prefer university than polythenics. ..

shebi na for naija u want do your uni n poly abi...this kind sane con3. na man no man dey get work for naija abeg

All these C.Ronaldo and messi Arguement sha. the most important thing is staying relevant and making impact, whether u graduated frm Poly Or Uni.

Well, let them discriminate HND am a proud HND holder, and am using it to work in an oil company, those of you shouting B.Sc, B.Eng or B. Tech. what job have you gotten with it? It is not about your Cert. is about what you can offer. have seen many guys in this oil and gas sector with HND Cert. So who cares about their discrimination.

Olaitqn:
That's crazy.

Polytechnics are equipped with less facilities and at such churn out less prepared graduates than the well equipped Universities

Lol, you need too go check the mechanical Engr department of federal poly ado, federal university oye, afe babalola university, and Ekiti state university. compare the schools equipment together. then come back here to type this shit.

If am president, i'll withdraw most phd degree holders under science and technology. because they are frauds.

12submarine:

That is a lie. In engineering family, poly graduates are technologists while uni graduates qualify for engineers (having duly registered with the regulating bodies) Engineering is not just about hands on the tools, theories are very important and that is the most difficult aspect of engineering. Good knowledge of the theory of electromagnetic waves is the backbone of all wireless communications and this is note treated extensively in polytechnics. Have you ever wondered why telecom firms prefer uni graduates to poly grad? Engineering is not just about spanner, screw drivers and testers, the most difficult part of engineering is the theory.

could you pls tell me one coursework treated in a uni setting and not being thought in polytechnic? NOTE mechanical engineering department.

Olive33:
YES
polytechnics beats universities in practical aspects..
if you want to study engineering or other technological courses you should go for polytechnic.
universities are only good on theory and selling of handouts

Please wake up from your dreamland

Olaitqn:
That's crazy.

Polytechnics are equipped with less facilities and at such churn out less prepared graduates than the well equipped Universities

pls could you fly away from here

12submarine:

You cannot get an engineer with complete practical and theoretical knowledge at the same time. No professor in mechanical engineering can strip and assemble a car, yet professors are recognised even in advanced countries. Division of labour is what makes engineering to be divided into categories. Engineers, technologists and craftmen. Uni graduates are engineers and poly graduates are technologists. Take it or argue the way you like, universities graduates are justifiably graded ahead of their poly counterparts even in the labour markets. Just imagine dealing with complex electromagnetic waves on the field when you don't know the theory behind it.
Ask yourself this question, why do multinationals place university graduates ahead of poly graduates both in grade level and salaries? Or do you think those companies don't know what they are doing. Theory is more difficult than practicals. You don't need advanced education to be good in practicals. Have you also wondered why there are more cases of withdrawals from universities than in polytechnics? Driving and swimming don't require intensive academics. You should be talking about things like engineering etc.

u don't know anything bro

u uni guys should come to agbara industrial estate, make your research. u will find out how HND cert holder are earning millions of dollar per month in their respective company as an engineer. I once had the perspective of switching to uni after my ND program, but seeing those HND engineers who they claim are third class uni graduate earning millions of naira.... can some one pls complete this?

12submarine:
They have never been and can never be. Both are academic institutions with different mandates, different goals, different instructional materials and different entry requirements. University graduates are to polytechnic graduates what medical doctors are to nurses.

And some nurses are better and greater than some doctors