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[quote author=Gggg102 post=65255590][/quote]Yes he fulfilled the vow and how you would know what he fulfilled the vow with is with the focus of his daughter.

Her focus was on her virginity and not on her death. This would show you that was what fulfilled his vow.

She mourned her virginity and not her impending death.

butterflyl1on:
Those days, houses were built with courtyards in them and a main entry into the courtyard before you enter other rooms by passing through this courtyard.

Some Livestock were kept in this courtyard which doubled as a protective enclosure.

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Wow!! How did you know this?

Judges 17:6 In those days there was no king in Israel, but every man did that which was right in his own eyes.

LordVoldermort:
Wow!! How did you know this?

These are images of how ancient Israelite / Jewish homes were designed.

From them you can see that their domestic animals were kept in the courtyard within the walls of their home and that there is a primary door to this courtyard before other doors leading to their rooms.

butterflyl1on:
These are images of how ancient Israelite / Jewish homes were designed.

From them you can see that their domestic animals were kept in the courtyard within the walls of their home and that there is a primary door to this courtyard before other doors leading to their rooms.

. Okay nice pic (Can't be proven)
Leviticus 9:3-4
"Then to the sons of Israel you shall speak, saying, 'Take a male goat for a sin offering, and a calf and a lamb, both one year old, without defect, for a burnt offering,

Leviticus 23:19
'You shall also offer one male goat for a sin offering and two male lambs one year old for a sacrifice of peace offerings.'

Numbers 6:14
'He shall present his offering to the LORD: one male lamb a year old without defect for a burnt offering and one ewe-lamb a year old without defect for a sin offering and one ram without defect for a peace offering'

The people were already mandated to sacrifice animals, if he was referring to animals then that was hardly a sacrifice since everyone would do it too

LordVoldermort:
. Okay nice pic (Can't be proven)
Leviticus 9:3-4
"Then to the sons of Israel you shall speak, saying, 'Take a male goat for a sin offering, and a calf and a lamb, both one year old, without defect, for a burnt offering,

Leviticus 23:19
'You shall also offer one male goat for a sin offering and two male lambs one year old for a sacrifice of peace offerings.'

Numbers 6:14
'He shall present his offering to the LORD: one male lamb a year old without defect for a burnt offering and one ewe-lamb a year old without defect for a sin offering and one ram without defect for a peace offering'

The people were already mandated to sacrifice animals, if he was referring to animals then that was hardly a sacrifice since everyone would do it too

That was a sacrifice according to Gods covenant with them. A covenant is a covenant and as long as it was done in obedience then that is sacrifice. It is never easy to obey. Obedience is the greatest sacrifice there is.

Those pictures are archaeologically proven as Jewish homes have been discovered and excavated by archaeologists a lot and the design has always been the same.

butterflyl1on:
That was a sacrifice according to Gods covenant with them. A covenant is a covenant and as long as it was done in obedience then that is sacrifice. It is never easy to obey. Obedience is the greatest sacrifice there is.

Those pictures are archaeologically proven as Jewish homes have been discovered and excavated by archaeologists a lot and the design has always been the same.

You seem to be a master of diversion good one doesn't change the human sacrifice fact

LordVoldermort:
You seem to be a master of diversion good one doesn't change the human sacrifice fact

To be a virgin for life and not getting married is to you Human sacrifice right ?

LordVoldermort:
You seem to be a master of diversion good one doesn't change the human sacrifice fact

I said this before and I will say it again. You are so ignorant and being deliberate about it too. Keep on deceiving yourself in the face of the truth that is right before you.

CAPTIVATOR:
To be a virgin for life and not getting married is to you Human sacrifice right ?

Yes

butterflyl1on:
I said this before and I will say it again. You are so ignorant and being deliberate about it too. Keep on deceiving yourself in the face of the truth that is right before you.

Keep twisting the Word of God, Antichrist

shadeyinka:
Judges 17:6 In those days there was no king in Israel, but every man did that which was right in his own eyes.

I think this is a very good explanation

LordVoldermort:
Keep twisting the Word of God, Antichrist

Lmao the one twisting is trying to call me an Antichrist

Talk about deceptive deception specifically packaged in a deceptive way just to propagate deception as half truths.

LordVoldermort:
I think this is a very good explanation

It is everyone including the Judges did what pleased them. Prophets didn't exist then.

The book of judges showed so many odd things never repeated in the rest of the bible

LordVoldermort:
"Then it shall be, that whatsoever cometh forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the LORD's, and I will offer it up for a burnt offering."
Judges:11:31

"And Jephthah came to Mizpeh unto his house, and, behold, his daughter came out to meet him with timbrels and with dances: and she was his only child; beside her he had neither son nor daughter."
Judges:11:34

"And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed: and she knew no man. And it was a custom in Israel,"
Judges:11:39

"That the daughters of Israel went yearly to *lament* the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite four days in a year."
Judges:11:40



Is just me or is this a reference to human sacrifice?

Although it's hard to answer people especially non Christians on nairaland because you can't tell, the person's motives and intentions

I pray for forgiveness even as I answer this question

One Truth in the Bible is that we know in part...

Back to the question

Judges 11:31


Verse 31. Shall surely be the Lord's, and I will offer it up for a burnt-offering.] Theologically The text vehayah layhovah, vehaalithihu olah; the translation of which, according to the most accurate Hebrew scholars, is this: I will consecrate it to the Lord, or I will offer it for a burnt-offering; that is, "If it be a thing fit for a burnt-offering, it shall be made one; if fit for the service of God, it shall be consecrated to him." That conditions of this kind must have been implied in the vow, is evident enough; to have been made without them, it must have been the vow of a heathen, or a madman. If a dog had met him, this could not have been made a burnt-offering; and if his neighbour or friend's wife, son, or daughter, c., had been returning from a visit to his family, his vow gave him no right over them. Besides, human sacrifices were ever an abomination to the Lord and this was one of the grand reasons why God drove out the Canaanites, c., because they offered their sons and daughters to Molech in the fire, i.e., made burnt-offerings of them, as is generally supposed. That Jephthah was a deeply pious man, appears in the whole of his conduct and that he was well acquainted with the law of Moses, which prohibited all such sacrifices, and stated what was to be offered in sacrifice, is evident enough from his expostulation with the king and people of Ammon, Jdg 11:14-27. Therefore it must be granted that he never made that rash vow which several suppose he did; nor was he capable, if he had, of executing it in that most shocking manner which some Christian writers have contended for. He could not commit a crime which himself had just now been an executor of God's justice to punish in others.


Besides there are more deeply scriptural reasons which I can't tell you ... But I know the ones I have posted is enough

Also

It's evident that he didn't sacrifice his daughter in that he had enough time even according to the law to have made an atonement for her ,
Lev 27:1-5, where the Lord prescribes the price at which either males or females, who had been vowed to the Lord, might be redeemed. "When a man shall make a singular vow, the persons shall be for the Lord at thy estimation: the male from twenty years old even unto sixty, shall be fifty shekels of silver; and if it be a female, then thy estimation shall be thirty shekels; and from five years old unto twenty years, the male twenty shekels, and for the female ten." This also is an argument that the daughter of Jephthah was not sacrificed; as the father had it in his power, at a very moderate price, and Even in accordance with the law to have redeemed her: and surely the blood of his daughter must have been of more value in his sight than thirty shekels of silver.

butterflyl1on:
Lmao the one twisting is trying to call me an Antichrist

Talk about deceptive deception specifically packaged in a deceptive way just to propagate deception as half truths.

Buttefly-lie-on you are the one misinterpreting the bible here. I know that's your hobby but look at what the bible said:

34. When Jephthah went back home to Mizpah, there was his daughter coming out to meet him, dancing and playing the tambourine. She was his only child.

35. When he saw her, he tore his clothes in sorrow and said, “Oh, my daughter! You are breaking my heart! Why must it be you that causes me pain? I have made a solemn promise to the LORD , and I cannot take it back!”

36. She said to him, “If you have made a promise to the LORD , do what you said you would do to me, since the LORD has given you revenge on your enemies, the Ammonites.”

37. But she asked her father, “Do this one thing for me. Leave me alone for two months, so that I can go with my friends to wander in the mountains and grieve that I must die a virgin.”

38. He told her to go and sent her away for two months. She and her friends went up into the mountains and grieved because she was going to die unmarried and childless.

39. After two months she came back to her father. He did what he had promised the LORD , and she died still a virgin.

40. This was the origin of the custom in Israel that the young women would go away for four days every year to grieve for the daughter of Jephthah of Gilead.

Judges 11:34‭-‬40 GNB

chemystery:
Buttefly-lie-on you are the one misinterpreting the bible here. I know that's your hobby but look at what the bible said:

All you liars for atheism You guys never get tired of twisting the truth even when it is in black and white and accessible to all.

Judges 11:36-40 KJV

36 And she said unto him, My father, if thou hast opened thy mouth unto the Lord, do to me according to that which hath proceeded out of thy mouth; forasmuch as the Lord hath taken vengeance for thee of thine enemies, even of the children of Ammon.

37 And she said unto her father, Let this thing be done for me: let me alone two months, that I may go up and down upon the mountains, and bewail my virginity, I and my fellows.

38 And he said, Go. And he sent her away for two months: and she went with her companions, and bewailed her virginity upon the mountains.

39 And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed: and she knew no man. And it was a custom in Israel,

40 That the daughters of Israel went yearly to lament the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite four days in a year.

This is the same Judges 11:39 in other translations from Bible hub.

◄ Judges 11:39 ►

New International Version
After the two months, she returned to her father, and he did to her as he had vowed. And she was a virgin. From this comes the Israelite tradition

New Living Translation
When she returned home, her father kept the vow he had made, and she died a virgin. So it has become a custom in Israel

English Standard Version
And at the end of two months, she returned to her father, who did with her according to his vow that he had made. She had never known a man, and it became a custom in Israel

New American Standard Bible
At the end of two months she returned to her father, who did to her according to the vow which he had made; and she had no relations with a man. Thus it became a custom in Israel,

King James Bible
And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed: and she knew no man. And it was a custom in Israel,

Christian Standard Bible
At the end of two months, she returned to her father, and he kept the vow he had made about her. And she had never been intimate with a man. Now it became a custom in Israel

Contemporary English Version
Then she went back to her father. He did what he had promised, and she never got married. That's why

Good News Translation
After two months she came back to her father. He did what he had promised the LORD, and she died still a virgin. This was the origin of the custom in Israel

Holman Christian Standard Bible
At the end of two months, she returned to her father, and he kept the vow he had made about her. And she had never been intimate with a man. Now it became a custom in Israel

International Standard Version
Later, after the two months were concluded, she returned to her father, and he fulfilled what he had solemnly vowed—and she never married. That's how the custom arose in Israel

NET Bible
After two months she returned to her father, and he did to her as he had vowed. She died a virgin. Her tragic death gave rise to a custom in Israel.

New Heart English Bible
It happened at the end of two months, that she returned to her father, who did with her according to what he had vowed. And she was a virgin. It became a custom in Israel,

GOD'S WORD® Translation
At the end of those two months she came back to her father. He did to her what he had vowed, and she never had a husband. So the custom began in Israel

JPS Tanakh 1917
And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed; and she had not known man. And it was a custom in Israel,

New American Standard 1977
And it came about at the end of two months that she returned to her father, who did to her according to the vow which he had made; and she had no relations with a man. Thus it became a custom in Israel,

Jubilee Bible 2000
And it came to pass at the end of two months that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed. And she had never known a man. From here came the custom in Israel

King James 2000 Bible
And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed: and she knew no man. And it was a custom in Israel,

American King James Version
And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned to her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed: and she knew no man. And it was a custom in Israel,

American Standard Version
And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed: and she knew not man. And it was a custom in Israel,

Douay-Rheims Bible
And the two months being expired, she returned to her father, and he did to her as he had vowed, and she knew no man. From thence came a fashion in Israel, and a custom has been kept:

Darby Bible Translation
And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned to her father, and he performed on her the vow that he had vowed; and she had known no man. And it became a fixed custom in Israel,

English Revised Version
And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed: and she had not known man. And it was a custom in Israel,

Webster's Bible Translation
And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned to her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed: and she knew no man. And it was a custom in Israel,

World English Bible
It happened at the end of two months, that she returned to her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed: and she was a virgin. It was a custom in Israel,

Young's Literal Translation
and it cometh to pass at the end of two months that she turneth back unto her father, and he doth to her his vow which he hath vowed, and she knew not a man; and it is a statute in Israel

You are posting from good news Bible

That mischevious Bible with a lot of missing scriptures found in other translations. If a Bible can have up to 16 important verses missing from it then it is a calamity.



Mat 17:21
Mat 18:11
Mat 23:14
Mar 7:16
Mar 9:44
Mar 9:46
Mar 11:26
Mar 15:28
Luk 17:36
Luk 23:17
Joh 5:4
Joh 7:53
Act 8:37
Act 15:34
Act 24:7
Act 28:29
Rom 16:24

All are missing from it yet are found in other translations. Abeg carry your GNB and waka

butterflyl1on:
All you liars for atheism You guys never get tired of twisting the truth even when it is in black and white and accessible to all.

Judges 11:36-40 KJV



This is the same Judges 11:39 in other translations from Bible hub.




You are posting from good news Bible

That mischevious Bible with a lot of missing scriptures found in other translations. If a Bible can have up to 16 important verses missing from it then it is a calamity.



Mat 17:21
Mat 18:11
Mat 23:14
Mar 7:16
Mar 9:44
Mar 9:46
Mar 11:26
Mar 15:28
Luk 17:36
Luk 23:17
Joh 5:4
Joh 7:53
Act 8:37
Act 15:34
Act 24:7
Act 28:29
Rom 16:24

All are missing from it yet are found in other translations. Abeg carry your GNB and waka

Even if I use your translation:

39 And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed: and she knew no man. And it was a custom in Israel,

The vow he had vowed is burnt offering of anything that comes out of his house and not celibacy of anything that comes out of his house

And good news bible suddenly became a mischievous bible because it explicitly said the truth without trying to hide anything. You used missing verses as reason, meanwhile the NIV you quoted also doesn't have these verses yet it is among your valid bible translations. And did god tell you that GNB is a mischievous bible?

You simply cannot deny the fact that yahweh loves human sacrifice. If he doesn't, he wouldn't have asked Abraham to sacrifice his son, or allow jephthah's daughter to be the first thing to come out of his house, or allow the incident of 2 Samuel 21:1-14, or allow his son to be sacrificed in human form to appease himself.

chemystery:
Even if I use your translation:

39 And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed: and she knew no man. And it was a custom in Israel,

The vow he had vowed is burnt offering of anything that comes out of his house and not celibacy of anything that comes out of his house

And good news bible suddenly became a mischievous bible because it explicitly said the truth without trying to hide anything. You used missing verses as reason, meanwhile the NIV you quoted also doesn't have these verses yet it is among your valid bible translations. And did god tell you that GNB is a mischievous bible?

You simply cannot deny the fact that yahweh loves human sacrifice. If he doesn't, he wouldn't have asked Abraham to sacrifice his son, or allow jephthah's daughter to be the first thing to come out of his house, or allow the incident of 2 Samuel 21:1-14, or allow his son to be sacrificed in human form to appease himself.

Done and dusted. My previous comments already tackled all this so I am not about to go down the same route again with you.

As for 2nd Samuel 21, the covenant of animal sacrifice was between God and Israel and not with people outside Israel so they could do what was not pleasing to God. Read verse 2 of the 2nd Samuel 21 which you posted.

2 The king summoned the Gibeonites and spoke to them. (Now the Gibeonites were not a part of Israel but were survivors of the Amorites;

You can see that it says clearly that the Gibeonites were not a part of Israel.

Go and peddle your lies and deceit elsewhere.

butterflyl1on:
Done and dusted. My previous comments already tackled all this so I am not about to go down the same route again with you.

As for 2nd Samuel 21, the covenant of animal sacrifice was between God and Israel and not with people outside Israel so they could do what was not pleasing to God. Read verse 2 of the 2nd Samuel 21 which you posted.




You can see that it says clearly that the Gibeonites were not a part of Israel.

Go and peddle your lies and deceit elsewhere.

Stop hitting the strawman. The question is not the origin of those who did the human sacrifice to God. It is that god loves human sacrifice!

Here, it indicated the humans were sacrificed to the God of Israel:

So hand over seven of his male descendants, and we will hang them before the Lord at Gibeah, the hometown of Saul, the Lord's chosen king.” “I will hand them over,” the king answered.
2 Samuel 21:6 GNT

Likewise here:

David handed them over to the people of Gibeon, who hanged them on the mountain before the Lord—and all seven of them died together. It was late in the spring, at the beginning of the barley harvest, when they were put to death.
2 Samuel 21:9 GNT

Finally, god was appeased:

Then they buried the bones of Saul and Jonathan in the grave of Saul's father Kish, in Zela in the territory of Benjamin, doing all that the king had commanded. And after that, God answered their prayers for the country.
2 Samuel 21:14 GNT

chemystery:
Stop hitting the strawman. The question is not the origin of those who did the human sacrifice to God. It is that god loves human sacrifice!

Here, it indicated the humans were sacrificed to the God of Israel:


Likewise here:


Finally, god was appeased:

You people do love deception and lies.

The Gibeonites asked to be given those men so THEY CAN KILL THEM. Nowhere did God ask them to kill the men. Neither did God ask for any human sacrifice from them. They chose to do so as the immoral people they are who were outside the covenant of Israel.

Regarding the part about you saying God was appeased. Let me show you the whole verse from verse 10 to 14. Be mindful of the parts in bold.


10 Rizpah daughter of Aiah took sackcloth and spread it out for herself on a rock. From the beginning of the harvest till the rain poured down from the heavens on the bodies, she did not let the birds touch them by day or the wild animals by night. 11 When David was told what Aiah’s daughter Rizpah, Saul’s concubine, had done, 12 he went and took the bones of Saul and his son Jonathan from the citizens of Jabesh Gilead. (They had stolen their bodies from the public square at Beth Shan, where the Philistines had hung them after they struck Saul down on Gilboa.)13 David brought the bones of Saul and his son Jonathan from there, and the bones of those who had been killed and exposed were gathered up.
14 They buried the bones of Saul and his son Jonathan in the tomb of Saul’s father Kish, at Zela in Benjamin, and did everything the king commanded. After that, God answered prayer in behalf of the land.

If you were smart, you will see that the death of Saul and Jonathan as well as the killing of those men against the covenant of God desecrated the land and Gods back was turned to them. It was UNTIL David went and recovered the bodies of Saul, Jonathan from where it was stolen to and also the bodies of the men who were killed and left unburied and HE BURIED THEM ACCORDINGLY. the Bible clearly says and I quote

"After that, God answered prayer in behalf of the land

."

Stop lying and being my deceptive when the truth is right there for all to see.

butterflyl1on:
You people do love deception and lies.

The Gibeonites asked to be given those men so THEY CAN KILL THEM. Nowhere did God ask them to kill the men. Neither did God ask for any human sacrifice from them. They chose to do so as the immoral people they are who were outside the covenant of Israel.

Regarding the part about you saying God was appeased. Let me show you the whole verse from verse 10 to 14. Be mindful of the parts in bold.


10 Rizpah daughter of Aiah took sackcloth and spread it out for herself on a rock. From the beginning of the harvest till the rain poured down from the heavens on the bodies, she did not let the birds touch them by day or the wild animals by night. 11 When David was told what Aiah’s daughter Rizpah, Saul’s concubine, had done, 12 he went and took the bones of Saul and his son Jonathan from the citizens of Jabesh Gilead. (They had stolen their bodies from the public square at Beth Shan, where the Philistines had hung them after they struck Saul down on Gilboa.)13 David brought the bones of Saul and his son Jonathan from there, and the bones of those who had been killed and exposed were gathered up.
14 They buried the bones of Saul and his son Jonathan in the tomb of Saul’s father Kish, at Zela in Benjamin, and did everything the king commanded. After that, God answered prayer in behalf of the land.

If you were smart, you will see that the death of Saul and Jonathan as well as the killing of those men against the covenant of God desecrated the land and Gods back was turned to them. It was UNTIL David went and recovered the bodies of Saul, Jonathan from where it was stolen to and also the bodies of the men who were killed and left unburied and HE BURIED THEM ACCORDINGLY. the Bible clearly says and I quote

."

Stop lying and being my deceptive when the truth is right there for all to see.

The bible clearly indicated they were doing all that for the Lord - to appease Yahweh. Which other god did they do it for? Sure, Yahweh didn't request for it, but they did it to appease him. If Yahweh didn't want it, then why didn't he stop it?

chemystery:
The bible clearly indicated they were doing all that for the Lord - to appease Yahweh. Which other god did they do it for? Sure, Yahweh didn't request for it, but they did it to appease him. If Yahweh didn't want it, then why didn't he stop it?

Did God ask them to do so? Zeal without knowledge is foolishness. Can you show me where God told them to demand for those men and to kill them for him?

All the Gibeonites did was vengeance and not sacrifice to God.

From the very scriptures

5 They answered the king, “As for the man who destroyed us and plotted against us so that we have been decimated and have no place anywhere in Israel, 6 let seven of his male descendants be given to us to be killed and their bodies exposed before the Lord at Gibeah of Saul—the Lord’s chosen one.”

They wanted to avenge the deaths they suffered at the hands of Saul so asked for members of Sauls household to be killed as well by their own hands OPENELY (before the Lord) at Gibeah of Saul (The very birthplace of Saul) This was to be a show of defiance and raw vengeance that they killed sauls family members in his own soil. The Lord's Chosen one (was king Saul).

This is simple enough.

butterflyl1on:
Did God ask them to do so? Zeal without knowledge is foolishness. Can you show me where God told them to demand for those men and to kill them for him?

All the Gibeonites did was vengeance and not sacrifice to God.

From the very scriptures



They wanted to avenge the deaths they suffered at the hands of Saul so asked for members of Sauls household to be killed as well by their own hands OPENELY (before the Lord) at Gibeah of Saul (The very birthplace of Saul) This was to be a show of defiance and raw vengeance that they killed sauls family members in his own soil. The Lord's Chosen one (was king Saul).

This is simple enough.

God didn't ask for human sacrifice. But when it was given to him, he never rejected. That they used for the sake of vengeance to sacrifice humans to god is more reason god should have rejected the sacrifice but he didn't. He didn't stop the vengeance, neither did he reject the sacrifice hung on the mountain for him. Instead, god was pleased and answered their prayers

LordVoldermort:
Let me invite prominent Christians to explain better *unlike that drug dealer above*

Emmanystone, Butterflyl1on, OLAADEGBU, alBHAGDADI, Ferisidowu

This subject has been addressed here. --> https://www.nairaland.com/1491378/jephthahs-daughter

chemystery:
God didn't ask for human sacrifice. But when it was given to him, he never rejected. That they used for the sake of vengeance to sacrifice humans to god is more reason god should have rejected the sacrifice but he didn't. He didn't stop the vengeance, neither did he reject the sacrifice hung on the mountain for him. Instead, god was pleased and answered their prayers

So this is what you understood from that scripture right?

Deceptive people everywhere


1. The Killings (not sacrifice) was not to God but was for revenge on the house of Saul based on what Saul did to them.

2. God NEVER asked them to carry out such an act.

3. God was angry at Saul and the land and it even says so In verse 1 of the same 2nd Samuel 21

21 During the reign of David, there was a famine for three successive years; so David sought the face of the Lord. The Lord said, “It is on account of Saul and his blood-stained house; it is because he put the Gibeonites to death.”

There was famine in the land due to Gods anger and David went to God to find out why and God told him it was because of what Saul and his household did to the Gibeonites.

At this time Saul and his son Jonathan were both dead but not buried. It was until David buried their bones and the bones of the 7 who were killed that God lifted the famine from the land.

The killings were out of vengeance. The calamity was on the land because of Saul and his household. God lifted the famine after the late king Saul and his family were properly buried.

You can keep on lying to yourself.

butterflyl1on:
So this is what you understood from that scripture right?

Deceptive people everywhere


1. The Killings (not sacrifice) was not to God but was for revenge on the house of Saul based on what Saul did to them.

2. God NEVER asked them to carry out such an act.

3. God was angry at Saul and the land and it even says so In verse 1 of the same 2nd Samuel 21



There was famine in the land due to Gods anger and David went to God to find out why and God told him it was because of what Saul and his household did to the Gibeonites.

At this time Saul and his son Jonathan were both dead but not buried. It was until David buried their bones and the bones of the 7 who were killed that God lifted the famine from the land.

The killings were out of vengeance. The calamity was on the land because of Saul and his household. God lifted the famine after the late king Saul and his family were properly buried.

You can keep on lying to yourself.

God was angry at Saul and his anger was quenched after the Gibeonites made human sacrifice to him and David was the middle man for this transaction. To whole truth is right in front of you but you prefer to turn around and hit the strawman. The bible explicitly indicated they hung the humans on the mountain to for god (to please him). They didnt hang it for David or for gibeonites but as sacrifice to appease god.

chemystery:
God was angry at Saul and his anger was quenched after the Gibeonites made human sacrifice to him and David was the middle man for this transaction. To whole truth is right in front of you but you prefer to turn around and hit the strawman. The bible explicitly indicated they hung the humans on the mountain to for god (to please him). They didnt hang it for David or for gibeonites but as sacrifice to appease god.

Lmao the famine was in Israel and it took STRANGERS to appease God?

You forget the Gibeonites were not part of Israel but refugees there. Gods covenant does not cover them. It took David doing what was needed (which was the burial of Saul, Jonathan and the other 7 members of the house of Saul) for the famine to cease.

The killing carried out by the Gibeonites was for a totally different matter as stated in scripture. Let me show you again

The king summoned the Gibeonites and spoke to them. (Now the Gibeonites were not a part of Israel but were survivors of the Amorites; the Israelites had sworn to spare them, but Saul in his zeal for Israel and Judah had tried to annihilate them.) 3 David asked the Gibeonites, “What shall I do for you? How shall I make atonement so that you will bless the Lord’s inheritance?”
4 The Gibeonites answered him, “We have no right to demand silver or gold from Saul or his family, nor do we have the right to put anyone in Israel to death.”
“What do you want me to do for you?” David asked.
5 They answered the king, “As for the man who destroyed us and plotted against us so that we have been decimated and have no place anywhere in Israel, 6 let seven of his male descendants be given to us to be killed and their bodies exposed before the Lord at Gibeah of Saul—the Lord’s chosen one.”

Their focus was on the house of Saul and not on the whole of Israel because Israel vowed to spare their lives but Saul was the one who went on a killing spree over them out of zeal so they wanted their vengeance by killing members of his house. This was an eye for an eye or the law of sowing or reaping. Saul sowed death upon the Gibeonites so his family reaped the same.

However, God did not lift the famine until after Saul, Jonathan, and the killed 7 were buried accordingly. It was Davida burial of Saul and Jonathans bones after recovery from where it was stolen to that made God now begin to hear their prayer.

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butterflyl1on:
Lmao the famine was in Israel and it took STRANGERS to appease God?

You forget the Gibeonites were not part of Israel but refugees there. Gods covenant does not cover them. It took David doing what was needed (which was the burial of Saul, Jonathan and the other 7 members of the house of Saul) for the famine to cease.

The killing carried out by the Gibeonites was for a totally different matter as stated in scripture. Let me show you again



Their focus was on the house of Saul and not on the whole of Israel because Israel vowed to spare their lives but Saul was the one who went on a killing spree over them out of zeal so they wanted their vengeance by killing members of his house. This was an eye for an eye or the law of sowing or reaping. Saul sowed death upon the Gibeonites so his family reaped the same.

However, God did not lift the famine until after Saul, Jonathan, and the killed 7 were buried accordingly. It was Davida burial of Saul and Jonathans bones after recovery from where it was stolen to that made God now begin to hear their prayer.

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The Gibeonite said they neither needed silver nor god, and they don't have intention to kill any israelite but to sacrifice them to god. David now gave them 7 men which they did hung as sacrifice before the God of Israel.


They answered, “Our quarrel with Saul and his family can't be settled with silver or gold, nor do we want to kill any Israelite.” “What, then, do you think I should do for you?” David asked. They answered, “Saul wanted to destroy us and leave none of us alive anywhere in Israel. So hand over seven of his male descendants, and we will hang them before the Lord at Gibeah, the hometown of Saul, the Lord's chosen king.” “I will hand them over,” the king answered.

2 Samuel 21:4‭-‬6 GNT


How would they say they didn't want to kill any Israelite, and ended up killing 7 Israelites?
It means, they didn't want to just kill for killing sake but to offered them as sacrifice to appease Yahweh. And it was seen in chapter 14 that Yahweh was appeased.

chemystery:
The Gibeonite said they neither needed silver nor god, and they don't have intention to kill any israelite but to sacrifice them to god. David now gave them 7 men which they did hung as sacrifice before the God of Israel.


They answered, “Our quarrel with Saul and his family can't be settled with silver or gold, nor do we want to kill any Israelite.” “What, then, do you think I should do for you?” David asked. They answered, “Saul wanted to destroy us and leave none of us alive anywhere in Israel. So hand over seven of his male descendants, and we will hang them before the Lord at Gibeah, the hometown of Saul, the Lord's chosen king.” “I will hand them over,” the king answered.

2 Samuel 21:4‭-‬6 GNT


How would they say they didn't want to kill any Israelite, and ended up killing 7 Israelites?
It means, they didn't want to just kill for killing sake but to offered them as sacrifice to appease Yahweh. And it was seen in chapter 14 that Yahweh was appeased.

SMH. Even your scripture you posted contradicts you.

They answered, “Our quarrel with Saul and his family can't be settled with silver or gold, nor do we want to kill any Israelite.” “What, then, do you think I should do for you?” David asked. They answered, “Saul wanted to destroy us and leave none of us alive anywhere in Israel. So hand over seven of his male descendants, and we will hang them before the Lord at Gibeah, the hometown of Saul, the Lord's chosen king.” “I will hand them over,” the king answered

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It clearly shows they had serious issues with Saul and his household. They explained why they were very angry with Saul and that was because SAUL WANTED TO DESTROY THEM AND LEAVE NONE OF THEM ALIVE ANYWHERE IN ISRAEL.

A lot of the Gibeonites had been killed by Saul despite Israel promising them life and protection. So their anger was not for Israel but SPECIFICALLY for the house of Saul (since Saul was dead by now)

Saying they would hang them before the Lord is them saying they would hang them OPENELY for God and everyone to see that they have taken their vengeance which at that time an eye for an eye was permissible under the law. It was the time of judgement and not grace.

They were focused on killing people from the house of Saul and would not take silver or gold in exchange or anyone else if not from the house of Saul.

I know you read books and know how to interpret stories but right here you are simply being dishonest and deceptive.

Saul was Gods Chosen King and for what happened to Saul and how his body was stolen by the enemy God was angry with Israel. It was until David buried Sauls openly displayed bones and that of Jonathan in accordance with how it should be as well as buries the 7 who were killed in his household that God stopped the famine.

The killing was for vengeance as clearly shown in the scripture and not a sacrifice.

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Gggg102:
but Jesus was human

Hmmmm . . . Very thoughtful .

Well what I can say is that . It was justice for sin . Man was to die for his sin. Jesus took mans place .its not a demand for who’s to be sacrificed .

John 10:17-18 (KJV)
17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. 18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

We all have our sacrifices today even unto death for the gospel .This not the same as human sacrifice
i.e one man sacrifice another man . Jesus was executed for crime in the eye of men . Jesus was murdered in the eye of the devil . Jesus laid his life from his own perspective .