I have been a Catholic all my life but studying my bible in my quest to know God more something happened that made me want to leavd the sect. I just want to ask some questions to Catholic

1. What is the highest authority in Christianity where doctrines can be gotten? The Bilble or the experience of our leaders

2. Why do we need the Vrigin Mary and other saints to intercede for us when holy spirit Romans 8 vs 26 and Jesus Christ Romans 8 vs 34? Does Jesus love his mother more than us? I thought he said those that do his works are his brethren? Don't you think we are undermining the love God has for us?

3. Why do we refer to ourselves as sinners but the Bible in Colossians 1vs 13-14 and Ephesian 1vs 7 said we have been redeemed from sin?

4. Why do we undermine the ministry of the holy spirit? We were made to believe that the gift of the spirit like speaking in touges, word of knowledge and so on are for some set of people who had the grace?

Please I need answers.

Starting from no 1. What did scripture say is the pillar and foundation of truth? The church or the bible?

It's obvious you have been attending some "Bible believing churches" who are desperate need to increase the number of tithers and would turn the Bible upside down to achieve that aim.

To your questions..

1) The first thing I'd point out is that Catholicism is not a sect but a church, the body of Christ.

2) The highest authority where doctrines can be gotten is both from the Bible and from the experience of the fathers of the church( Tradition). The book of John rightly points out that there are many things done by Christ not recorded in the Bible. Have you ever asked yourself who the repository of such events are? Again after the death of Christ, the disciples and their converts had a way they survived which led to appointment of Deacons in Acts of the Apostles. Now, this tradition was passed from generation to generation until our day. How on earth would you compare an institution of over 2000 years with a church that started in 2013? There's a way the Catholic has survived all these years which has become part of their doctrine.

3) Are we sinners or not? Romans 8 records that "all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God". Take not of the word "all", which means without exception. I bet they have never quoted that passage of the Bible for you.

Again Jesus himself gave us a picture of what the last day will be when he said that on Judgement day, Sheep will go to the right, and goats to the left. While sheep will go into the Kingdom, goats will be thrown into fire where there would be gnashing of teeth.

Now, by your reasoning, who are sheep and who are goats? Or did Jesus contradict himself?

4) Is Jesus Christ God? If yes, does it not therefore mean that Virgin Mary is the mother of God? At Cana when they ran out of wine, Mother Mary interceded and Christ performed His first miracle. Why didn't anyone of his followers and doers of his words go to do that? Or are you saying Virgin Mary has lost her power of intercession?

5) Catholicism does not undermine the ministry of the Holy Spirit. After baptism in Catholic Church, the next Sacrament would be Confirmation which is the infilling of the Holy Spirit. It's a Sacrament of its own.

Again Pentecost is a Solemnity in remembrance of the dwelling of the Holy Spirit on the Apostles.

But I suppose you are talking about speaking in tongues. If you read your Bible well, you would know that the Bible said in Second Corinthians that the gift of the Holy Spirit are different, some to speak in tongues, some to interpret tongues.... What happen these where every church member of some Bible believing church will be speaking in tongues is a total aberration of what the Bible says.

With this said, I need to let you know that there 54 gospels of Christ but only 4 made past canonicity. There are numerous other religious writings that could not make it into the Bible. And maybe I need to remind you that the Bible was written, interpreted and arranged by humans. If you knew these things, you would know that things about God and Christianity are more than Bible-wielding illiterates make you see.

Shalom.

It's AWOL!

Is this the reason you wonna leave catholicism?. Suit yourself then.

You see, many people are getting it wrong because they read the bible like it's a novel. The bible deals with wisdom and spiritual understanding.
For example, when christ was born,the three wise men saw a star and they located the star and presented their gifts to Jesus.
Many would see it as if they just saw the star and came immediately and presented their gifts.

But with wisdom you will know it took them like months to locate that star because they traveled/ set out on a journey to locating it.

I might not be a catholic but I know catholicism is a true religion.

Jesus christ is the church while the Bible is a book of recorded account since existence.

So I ask you, are you following the church or the bible


Read John 19:25-27. To convince you of your 2nd point.

You really need to pray for the guidance of the holy spirit so that those evil spirits putting doubts about the first church ordain by Jesus Christ as first attack to disbelief your faith in God . Be watchful

richie44:
I have been a Catholic all my life but studying my bible in my quest to know God more something happened that made me want to leavd the sect. I just want to ask some questions to Catholic
1. What is the highest authority in Christianity where doctrines can be gotten? The Bilble or the experience of our leaders
2. Why do we need the Vrigin Mary and other saints to intercede for us when holy spirit Romans 8 vs 26 and Jesus Christ Romans 8 vs 34? Does Jesus love his mother more than us? I thought he said those that do his works are his brethren? Don't you think we are undermining the love God has for us?
3. Why do we refer to ourselves as sinners but the Bible in Colossians 1vs 13-14 and Ephesian 1vs 7 said we have been redeemed from sin?.
4. Why do we undermine the ministry of the holy spirit? We were made to believe that the gift of the spirit like speaking in touges, word of knowledge and so on are for some set of people who had the grace?
Please I need answers

u'v nt made any point.......Dnt u guys pray in d name of d father, son & holy spirit? Talking about speaking in tongues, my parish hold vigils & some of the hosts speak in tongue.....abt being referred to as sinners? Bible says 'for all have sinned' Its just a prayer of rreconcillation. U'r nt forced to make that confession!

My brother remain there and just worship God the right way from the word of God. Leaving will only worsen your situation cos were you're going to is not perfect and you will keep discovering faults wherever you go.

ikorodureporta:



u'v nt made any point.......Dnt u guys pray in d name of d father, son & holy spirit? Talking about speaking in tongues, my parish hold vigils & some of the hosts speak in tongue.....abt being referred to as sinners? Bible says 'for all have sinned' Its just a prayer of rreconcillation. U'r nt forced to make that confession!

"Yes it was true that all have sinned, but not true anymore, for in Christ those who believe has become the everlasting righteousness of God."

A believer calling himself a sinner is confuse and living a lie.

OfficialAwol:
It's obvious you have been attending some "Bible believing churches" who are desperate need to increase the number of tithers and would turn the Bible upside down to achieve that aim.

To your questions..

1) The first thing I'd point out is that Catholicism is not a sect but a church, the body of Christ.

2) The highest authority where doctrines can be gotten is both from the Bible and from the experience of the fathers of the church( Tradition). The book of John rightly points out that there are many things done by Christ not recorded in the Bible. Have you ever asked yourself who the repository of such events are? Again after the death of Christ, the disciples and their converts had a way they survived which led to appointment of Deacons in Acts of the Apostles. Now, this tradition was passed from generation to generation until our day. How on earth would you compare an institution of over 2000 years with a church that started in 2013? There's a way the Catholic has survived all these years which has become part of their doctrine.

3) Are we sinners or not? Romans 8 records that "all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God". Take not of the word "all", which means without exception. I bet they have never quoted that passage of the Bible for you.

Again Jesus himself gave us a picture of what the last day will be when he said that on Judgement day, Sheep will go to the right, and goats to the left. While sheep will go into the Kingdom, goats will be thrown into fire where there would be gnashing of teeth.

Now, by your reasoning, who are sheep and who are goats? Or did Jesus contradict himself?

4) Is Jesus Christ God? If yes, does it not therefore mean that Virgin Mary is the mother of God? At Cana when they ran out of wine, Mother Mary interceded and Christ performed His first miracle. Why didn't anyone of his followers and doers of his words go to do that? Or are you saying Virgin Mary has lost her power of intercession?

5) Catholicism does not undermine the ministry of the Holy Spirit. After baptism in Catholic Church, the next Sacrament would be Confirmation which is the infilling of the Holy Spirit. It's a Sacrament of its own.

Again Pentecost is a Solemnity in remembrance of the dwelling of the Holy Spirit on the Apostles.

But I suppose you are talking about speaking in tongues. If you read your Bible well, you would know that the Bible said in Second Corinthians that the gift of the Holy Spirit are different, some to speak in tongues, some to interpret tongues.... What happen these where every church member of some Bible believing church will be speaking in tongues is a total aberration of what the Bible says.

With this said, I need to let you know that there 54 gospels of Christ but only 4 made past canonicity. There are numerous other religious writings that could not make it into the Bible. And maybe I need to remind you that the Bible was written, interpreted and arranged by humans. If you knew these things, you would know that things about God and Christianity are more than Bible-wielding illiterates make you see.

Shalom.

It's AWOL!

Why I am asking this is because I know one day my children will ask me and I have to give them an answer
Also I didn't say we have not sinned read the Bible text and you will see how that Christ have made us free from sin and redeemed us.
About Vrigin Mary she did intercede while on earth but see when I have access to the main person which is Christ why should I bother going through another person...don't forget Christ promised to be with us and hear our prayer when pray according to his will

OfficialAwol:
It's obvious you have been attending some "Bible believing churches" who are desperate need to increase the number of tithers and would turn the Bible upside down to achieve that aim.

To your questions..

1) The first thing I'd point out is that Catholicism is not a sect but a church, the body of Christ.

2) The highest authority where doctrines can be gotten is both from the Bible and from the experience of the fathers of the church( Tradition). The book of John rightly points out that there are many things done by Christ not recorded in the Bible. Have you ever asked yourself who the repository of such events are? Again after the death of Christ, the disciples and their converts had a way they survived which led to appointment of Deacons in Acts of the Apostles. Now, this tradition was passed from generation to generation until our day. How on earth would you compare an institution of over 2000 years with a church that started in 2013? There's a way the Catholic has survived all these years which has become part of their doctrine.

3) Are we sinners or not? Romans 8 records that "all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God". Take not of the word "all", which means without exception. I bet they have never quoted that passage of the Bible for you.

Again Jesus himself gave us a picture of what the last day will be when he said that on Judgement day, Sheep will go to the right, and goats to the left. While sheep will go into the Kingdom, goats will be thrown into fire where there would be gnashing of teeth.

Now, by your reasoning, who are sheep and who are goats? Or did Jesus contradict himself?

4) Is Jesus Christ God? If yes, does it not therefore mean that Virgin Mary is the mother of God? At Cana when they ran out of wine, Mother Mary interceded and Christ performed His first miracle. Why didn't anyone of his followers and doers of his words go to do that? Or are you saying Virgin Mary has lost her power of intercession?

5) Catholicism does not undermine the ministry of the Holy Spirit. After baptism in Catholic Church, the next Sacrament would be Confirmation which is the infilling of the Holy Spirit. It's a Sacrament of its own.

Again Pentecost is a Solemnity in remembrance of the dwelling of the Holy Spirit on the Apostles.

But I suppose you are talking about speaking in tongues. If you read your Bible well, you would know that the Bible said in Second Corinthians that the gift of the Holy Spirit are different, some to speak in tongues, some to interpret tongues.... What happen these where every church member of some Bible believing church will be speaking in tongues is a total aberration of what the Bible says.

With this said, I need to let you know that there 54 gospels of Christ but only 4 made past canonicity. There are numerous other religious writings that could not make it into the Bible. And maybe I need to remind you that the Bible was written, interpreted and arranged by humans. If you knew these things, you would know that things about God and Christianity are more than Bible-wielding illiterates make you see.

Shalom.

It's AWOL!

Mehn, what a good response!
Pls, I want to ask u a question, do u have any link to where someone can get those remaining 50 gospels of Christ u talked about, I have been trying to lay my hands on the other books of the new testament which were not canonized but to no avail.

I was never a catholic but i attended catholic school (boarding), the truth is that catholic church operates in error but that doesnt mean they are no true believers there. How can i pray to mary or other saints to help me pray to Jesus when i have a direct access to him.

nwamehn:


Mehn, what a good response!
Pls, I want to ask u a question, do u have any link to where someone can get those remaining 50 gospels of Christ u talked about, I have been trying to lay my hands on the other books of the new testament which were not canonized but to no avail.

It would be difficult for you as a lay person to get access to those books.

But all the same, check any Catholic seminary library you know, that's gonna be your sure bet.

But again I doubt you will be granted access except you are a priest or a Seminarian.

I'm shocked Emmanystone is not allover this thread

Angelparadise:
You really need to pray for the guidance of the holy spirit so that those evil spirits putting doubts about the first church ordain by Jesus Christ as first attack to disbelief your faith in God . Be watchful

Ignorance. The Roman Catholic Church is not the first Church!!!

Moreover, the Roman Catholic Church is a false church.

OfficialAwol:
It's obvious you have been attending some "Bible believing churches" who are desperate need to increase the number of tithers and would turn the Bible upside down to achieve that aim.

To your questions..

1) The first thing I'd point out is that Catholicism is not a sect but a church, the body of Christ.

2) The highest authority where doctrines can be gotten is both from the Bible and from the experience of the fathers of the church( Tradition). The book of John rightly points out that there are many things done by Christ not recorded in the Bible. Have you ever asked yourself who the repository of such events are? Again after the death of Christ, the disciples and their converts had a way they survived which led to appointment of Deacons in Acts of the Apostles. Now, this tradition was passed from generation to generation until our day. How on earth would you compare an institution of over 2000 years with a church that started in 2013? There's a way the Catholic has survived all these years which has become part of their doctrine.

3) Are we sinners or not? Romans 8 records that "all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God". Take not of the word "all", which means without exception. I bet they have never quoted that passage of the Bible for you.

Again Jesus himself gave us a picture of what the last day will be when he said that on Judgement day, Sheep will go to the right, and goats to the left. While sheep will go into the Kingdom, goats will be thrown into fire where there would be gnashing of teeth.

Now, by your reasoning, who are sheep and who are goats? Or did Jesus contradict himself?

4) Is Jesus Christ God? If yes, does it not therefore mean that Virgin Mary is the mother of God? At Cana when they ran out of wine, Mother Mary interceded and Christ performed His first miracle. Why didn't anyone of his followers and doers of his words go to do that? Or are you saying Virgin Mary has lost her power of intercession?

5) Catholicism does not undermine the ministry of the Holy Spirit. After baptism in Catholic Church, the next Sacrament would be Confirmation which is the infilling of the Holy Spirit. It's a Sacrament of its own.

Again Pentecost is a Solemnity in remembrance of the dwelling of the Holy Spirit on the Apostles.

But I suppose you are talking about speaking in tongues. If you read your Bible well, you would know that the Bible said in Second Corinthians that the gift of the Holy Spirit are different, some to speak in tongues, some to interpret tongues.... What happen these where every church member of some Bible believing church will be speaking in tongues is a total aberration of what the Bible says.

With this said, I need to let you know that there 54 gospels of Christ but only 4 made past canonicity. There are numerous other religious writings that could not make it into the Bible. And maybe I need to remind you that the Bible was written, interpreted and arranged by humans. If you knew these things, you would know that things about God and Christianity are more than Bible-wielding illiterates make you see.

Shalom.

It's AWOL!

I agree with nearly everything you wrote up there but I don't agree that Catholicism is not a sect. The Catholic Church is unarguably the largest sect in the world.

CuteMadridista:
I'm shocked Emmanystone is not allover this thread

This guy must like me.

OfficialAwol:


It would be difficult for you as a lay person to get access to those books.

But all the same, check any Catholic seminary library you know, that's gonna be your sure bet.

But again I doubt you will be granted access except you are a priest or a Seminarian.

Chai! I no be seminarian naah.

But thanks all the same.

BluntTheApostle:

Ignorance. The Roman Catholic Church is not the first Church!!!
Moreover, the Roman Catholic Church is a false church.

Roman Catholic wasn't the first church, I agree. But, Roman Catholic being a false church, may I know why u say so, boss?

nwamehn:



Roman Catholic wasn't the first church, I agree.
But, Roman Catholic being a false church, may I know why u say so, boss?

Her adherents bow down to images.

Her adherents elevated Mary to the role of Mediatrix even when the Bible reiterates that Christ is our only Mediator.

They believe that Peter is the first Pope when the Bible never talked about anything of sort of there being a leader among the Apostles.

They created a division in the church by splitting the body into clergy and laity.

And just so many more.

nwamehn:


Mehn, what a good response!
Pls, I want to ask u a question, do u have any link to where someone can get those remaining 50 gospels of Christ u talked about, I have been trying to lay my hands on the other books of the new testament which were not canonized but to no avail.

OfficialAwol:


It would be difficult for you as a lay person to get access to those books.

But all the same, check any Catholic seminary library you know, that's gonna be your sure bet.

But again I doubt you will be granted access except you are a priest or a Seminarian.

Meaning there's something the Catholic church is hiding abi?

nwamehn:



Roman Catholic wasn't the first church, I agree.
But, Roman Catholic being a false church, may I know why u say so, boss?

Put the Catholic Church side by side the Hellenist religion, it will be like looking into the mirror.

nwamehn:



Roman Catholic wasn't the first church, I agree.
But, Roman Catholic being a false church, may I know why u say so, boss?

Tell us the first church then?

BluntTheApostle:


Ignorance. The Roman Catholic Church is not the first Church!!!

Moreover, the Roman Catholic Church is a false church.

Please I m interested I'm knowing the first church, which church is that?

BluntTheApostle:


Her adherents bow down to images.

Her adherents elevated Mary to the role of Mediatrix even when the Bible reiterates that Christ is our only Mediator.

They believe that Peter is the first Pope when the Bible never talked about anything of sort of there being a leader among the Apostles.

They created a division in the church by splitting the body into clergy and laity.

And just so many more.

I wished u would have the time to list those many more u meant.
But to the points u highlighted here:
1. Do u know why that bowing to images is not really enough reason to discredit the Catholic church? The reason is that we cannot as we ar now confirm that it wasn't God that ordered them to mould those images they bow to. We can only condemn them if we ar sure that it wasn't God that instructed them to mould those images, look up to or bow to them. Numbers 21 vs 6-9 shows where God instructed Moses to mould an image - a serpent such that whoever that was bitten would look up to it and be healed. Exodus 25 vs 18-22 shows where God commanded Moses to mould two winged creatures on the ark of covenant which was kept in the temple all through.
My point is this, if God doesn't expressly give u the command to mould any image or look up or bow to it, then once u do it, u have sinned against the second commandment, but if He is the one that commands u to do that as He did to Moses on those two occasions I referred to above, then u didn't sin. Question is, has the Catholic church told us that it wasn't God that commanded them to mould all those images? How then can we condemn them based on what we don't know yet?

2. Christ is the mediator between us and God the Father, Catholic church didn't elevate Mary to be the mediator between us and God the Father. Christ never placed any person as a mediator between us and Christ. Catholic church only included Mary to mediate between us and Christ which is just an ordinary waste of time to me since Christ said we can approach Him directly, it doesn't mean they ar now a false church for approaching Mary for her to approach Christ. Paul said in 1 Cor 11 vs 1, follow me as I follow Christ. He didn't say follow Christ directly, which was what Christ had preached all His life before He died, but he said follow me as I follow Christ, so does it mean that the Corinthian church that he wrote that letter to follow him as he followed Christ was a false church?

3. The third point u made is one valid point here. Peter wasn't the first Pope. Bible didn't even record that Peter visited Rome, whether for a short period or to establish a church there. Bible also didn't record that Jesus established any church let alone establishing Catholic church. And other churches also came before Catholic church emerged eg Jewish Christianity, Judaizing (not Judaism), Greek Orthodox church etc. So, even if Peter were to be the leader of the first church based on Matthew 16 vs 18, then it could have been any of these churches older than the Catholic church not the Catholic church.
So, boss, u ar very right on this one.

4. For ur fourth point, Catholic church wasn't the first people to create such divisions making some people clergy and others laity and they ar not also the only church doing that today. Paul also did that in the Bible in 1 Tim 3 where he gave separate rules to guide bishops and apostles aside his general rules of Christianity given in his epistles.
Paul also divided the church into men and women for a reason, 1 Cor 14 vs 34-35, he said that women should not talk in church but be silent always, maybe he did it because of the issues they were having in the Corinthian church then, but remember that there is no division that is worse than that. No wonder, some modern day churches don't even obey it.
So, boss, creating division in the church is not enough reason to see the catholic church as a false church because Paul also did same, and so many present day churches differentiate between the pastoral team and the rest of the congregation. They even give the pastoral team elevated seats in some churches separate from the rest of the congregation.

Dnaz:

Tell us the first church then?

The churches that had existed before the Roman Catholic church include Jewish Christianity, Judaizing (not Judaism), Greek Orthodox church etc. Catholic church only came later and some of the members of Catholic church even where original members of some of these other older churches.

Emmanystone:

Put the Catholic Church side by side the Hellenist religion, it will be like looking into the mirror.

Lol. Boss, u ar kind of dragging it to the extreme naah.

Catholic church, though some of their beliefs contradict with the ones of other present day Christian churches but it doesn't mean u can actually be linking Catholic church with Hellenism. Hellenism is polytheistic and it also believes in magic but Catholic church doesn't.

BluntTheApostle:


I agree with nearly everything you wrote up there but I don't agree that Catholicism is not a sect. The Catholic Church is unarguably the largest sect in the world.

Well, if you think Catholicism is a sect, you are at liberty to retain your thought.

Emmanystone:

Boss, I really don't know why u were laughing, or don't u believe that there were some other books that were written then which were not finally canonized? Even some books in the old testament were not included. 2 Chronicles 20 vs 34 says that all the acts of Jehoshaphat were written in the Chronicles of Jehu, the son of Hanani, which are recorded in the Book of the kings of Israel, so tell me, which books ar these Chronicles of Jehu and Book of the Kings of Israel?
They were books written then at the same time that other books were written but could not be canonized for some reasons or the other.

richie44:
I have been a Catholic all my life but studying my bible in my quest to know God more something happened that made me want to leavd the sect. I just want to ask some questions to Catholic
1. What is the highest authority in Christianity where doctrines can be gotten? The Bilble or the experience of our leaders
2. Why do we need the Vrigin Mary and other saints to intercede for us when holy spirit Romans 8 vs 26 and Jesus Christ Romans 8 vs 34? Does Jesus love his mother more than us? I thought he said those that do his works are his brethren? Don't you think we are undermining the love God has for us?
3. Why do we refer to ourselves as sinners but the Bible in Colossians 1vs 13-14 and Ephesian 1vs 7 said we have been redeemed from sin?.
4. Why do we undermine the ministry of the holy spirit? We were made to believe that the gift of the spirit like speaking in touges, word of knowledge and so on are for some set of people who had the grace?
Please I need answers

Welcome to the world of truth bro.

I wonder why they pray for Mary who is in the real sense, Mary Margoue(a female demon) to intercede for them when we have the Holy Spirit. In case you don't know, the so called 'Mary' is just a human like every other person. She's not the saviour. She also awaits the judgment day like every other person.

CATHOLICISM IS SATANISM!!!!

Emmanystone:

Meaning there's something the Catholic church is hiding abi?

No.

The Catholic Church is simply trying to prevent further misinterpretations that has followed the Bible.

That's why they were skeptical about letting uninformed minds read the Bible in the early days until Luther's revolution.

You and I will agree that letting Evey dick and Harry read the Bible brought aberrations

nwamehn:


I wished u would have the time to list those many more u meant.
But to the points u highlighted here:
1. Do u know why that bowing to images is not really enough reason to discredit the Catholic church? The reason is that we cannot as we ar now confirm that it wasn't God that ordered them to mould those images they bow to. We can only condemn them if we ar sure that it wasn't God that instructed them to mould those images, look up to or bow to them. Numbers 21 vs 6-9 shows where God instructed Moses to mould an image - a serpent such that whoever that was bitten would look up to it and be healed. Exodus 25 vs 18-22 shows where God commanded Moses to mould two winged creatures on the ark of covenant which was kept in the temple all through.
My point is this, if God doesn't expressly give u the command to mould any image or look up or bow to it, then once u do it, u have sinned against the second commandment, but if He is the one that commands u to do that as He did to Moses on those two occasions I referred to above, then u didn't sin. Question is, has the Catholic church told us that it wasn't God that commanded them to mould all those images? How then can we condemn them based on what we don't know yet?

2. Christ is the mediator between us and God the Father, Catholic church didn't elevate Mary to be the mediator between us and God the Father. Christ never placed any person as a mediator between us and Christ. Catholic church only included Mary to mediate between us and Christ which is just an ordinary waste of time to me since Christ said we can approach Him directly, it doesn't mean they ar now a false church for approaching Mary for her to approach Christ. Paul said in 1 Cor 11 vs 1, follow me as I follow Christ. He didn't say follow Christ directly, which was what Christ had preached all His life before He died, but he said follow me as I follow Christ, so does it mean that the Corinthian church that he wrote that letter to follow him as he followed Christ was a false church?

3. The third point u made is one valid point here. Peter wasn't the first Pope. Bible didn't even record that Peter visited Rome, whether for a short period or to establish a church there. Bible also didn't record that Jesus established any church let alone establishing Catholic church. And other churches also came before Catholic church emerged eg Jewish Christianity, Judaizing (not Judaism), Greek Orthodox church etc. So, even if Peter were to be the leader of the first church based on Matthew 16 vs 18, then it could have been any of these churches older than the Catholic church not the Catholic church.
So, boss, u ar very right on this one.

4. For ur fourth point, Catholic church wasn't the first people to create such divisions making some people clergy and others laity and they ar not also the only church doing that today. Paul also did that in the Bible in 1 Tim 3 where he gave separate rules to guide bishops and apostles aside his general rules of Christianity given in his epistles.
Paul also divided the church into men and women for a reason, 1 Cor 14 vs 34-35, he said that women should not talk in church but be silent always, maybe he did it because of the issues they were having in the Corinthian church then, but remember that there is no division that is worse than that. No wonder, some modern day churches don't even obey it.
So, boss, creating division in the church is not enough reason to see the catholic church as a false church because Paul also did same, and so many present day churches differentiate between the pastoral team and the rest of the congregation. They even give the pastoral team elevated seats in some churches separate from the rest of the congregation.

Because the bible didn't record peter ever being In Rome. It automatically means he didn't go there?. Testimonies from the 1st, 2nd and 3rd century Christains prove that peter died in Rome.
There is no Church that was before Catholic church. Even the Greek orthodox Separated from it, Read about the Great Schism of 1054 AD. There was nothing like Jewish Christianity, we had the Church in Jerusalem which was the headquarters of the Catholic church, until the Jews rebelled against the Roman Empire and Jerusalem was totally destroyed together with the Temple Just as Jesus prophecied . before this Peter had already left the Church in Jerusalem Which he formerly led before his arrest by Herod and release by the Angel, James took over the leadership of the Church in Jerusalem. Peter sojourned in Antioch and finally Came to Rome where together with Paul he suffered martyrdom. After the Fall of Jerusalem and the death of all the Apostles. The headquarters of Christianity Shifted to 3 petrine sees. Rome , Antioch and Alexandria . These were recorded by 2nd Century Christains. Read Iranaeus of Lyon, Ignatius of Antioch, Tertuillian etc. Even when the so called pentarchy was formed After Constantine allowed tolerance from Christianity. Rome , Constantinople ,Antioch, Alexandria and Jerusalem. The See of Rome was always recognised as Primus Inter pares( First Amongst Equals).