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Contrary to a thread of Pastor Oyedepo preaching near Esu Odara shrine which made FP earlier today, it would surprise many Yorubas and Yoruba-speaking folks that Esu Odara isn't what they call ''Devil''. It's sad, disappointing and unfortunate that some Africans do not fully understand their own language and culture.

In the Yoruba pantheon of elemental deities called Orisa, there is one who remains a mystery to people in spite of man's inquisitiveness and desire to understand him. Reviled, respected, misunderstood, maligned, praised, trusted, feared, railed against by christian preachers, supplicated on bended knee by Yoruba babalawo priests of Ifa and traditional believers seeking his aid, Esu has the last laugh as all humans dance to his beat of life.

The worship of Esu originated with the Yoruba people in the region now called Nigeria. Taking center stage in the Yoruba creation stories, Esu is also referred to as Elegbara by the Yoruba who populate the coastal region. Translated to English, Elegbara, one of Esu’s many praise names, means “the mighty and powerful one”, or, “the mighty one of wonders”. These praise names, called oriki by the Yoruba, are used to describe the qualities and powers of Elegbara. They can also be found in the lyrics of his songs and in the sacred verses called ese, recited much like poetry, which are gathered under odus. These odus are arranged as chapters, as divination signatures which comprise the 256 marks of the Ifa corpus, the oral bible of the Yoruba.There are dozens of names, as there are dozens of manifestations of Elegbara. He is also known as Dagunro, Goroso, Lukuluku and Apagbe. Elegbara can be difficult to describe. As Papawara, “the quickest and fastest one”, he slips in and out of definitions with alarming speed, quickly concealing what was thought to be concrete, open and fixed, then, with absolute glee, reveals himself in a completely new
and baffling transformation.

The adjectives and phrases that can be used to describe Elegbara are varied but are used consistently among West African traditional cultures that have an Elegbara figure among their gods. He can be described as a disruptor of order, ironic, a master linguist, ambiguous, a conciliatory peacemaker, the possessor of a huge phallus with a ferocious appetite, a satirical mimicker who finds our “hot buttons” and pushes them withchildlike insistence, and as one who both hides and reveals secrets. Elegbara is a master of change, of chance, a divine alchemist who only needs to blink his eyes or speak and it will be so. His name of Esu Odara translates as “Esu the magician”, or, “One who can do and undo”, and adds weight to his reputation as a performer of magical feats.

In the odu of Osetura we are shown how slippery and difficult Elegbara is to pin down:

Peri-pokun,
Pokun-peri
Esu bambi
A dia f’Akon omo oluwara oje….

Pursue him here
He is over there
Follow him there
He is back here
So revels Esu the Trickster
In confusing detour
Thus declared the Ifa oracle to Crab
Who hides from hole to hole in marshes.

It is not just in West Africa but in every culture of the world that one finds a similar deity or god like Elegbara, many times referred to as a
“trickster” due to his sense of humor, command of all languages, love of mischief, ability to shape-shift and his tendency to play tricks on unsuspecting humans.

In West Africa, the worship of Elegbara spread from the Yoruba to the Fon who populate parts of Benin, Togo, Cameroon, and southwestern
Nigeria. He is known as Legba to the Fon, as Ananse to the Ashanti people in Ghana and as Ogo-Yurugu to the Dogon living in the central plateau of Mali. In Brazil, Exu, as his name is spelled there, goes by many names that describe his qualities and the manner in which he works. Some of these are Exu Tranca-ruas ( Esu close/lock-the-roads), Exu da Meia-noite (Esu of Midnight) and Exu Caveira (Esu Skull i.e. of the
Tombs). Brazilian devotees of Exu also work with his female counterpart (since every orisa has male and female qualities), known as Pomba-Gira,
which is a complex mix of a female egun linked with Exu, popular in the Xango (Sango) cult of northeastern Brazil. These female Exus,
predominantly manifested by women, are known for their powerful expertise in the love affairs of men and women and are unparalleled
seductresses who offer their help, advice and recipes to the faithful. Santeria and Lucumi devotees in Cuba use the name Elegua for Elegbara,
while New World Voudun practitioners call him Papa Legba or Legba Atibon and another manifestation of Elegbara, Kalfou, in Haiti, and Papa La Bas in North American Hoodoo. Europeans were no strangers to “trickster” gods and the Greeks had the god Hermes, while the Romans had Mercury, a messenger of the gods with winged sandals on his feet. A great number of Native Americans in the United States worshiped or still do worship the coyote, a type of jackal, as their trickster deity. Other tribes worshiped the wily rabbit, crow or raven.

Professor Byrd Gibbens, University of Arkansas, U.S., states that, “Many native traditions held clowns and tricksters as essential to any contact
with the sacred. People could not pray until they had laughed, because laughter opens and frees from rigid preconception. Humans had to have
tricksters within the most sacred ceremonies for fear that they forget the sacred comes through upset, reversal, surprise. The trickster in
most native traditions is essential to creation, to birth.”

Indeed, Elegbara is the life force pumping in our veins, he is the electrical spark in our hearts which gives us life, he is the stream of
semen which impregnates, he is impetus, he is forward movement, and all along that forward movement of life he dances circles around us,
laughing when we take things too seriously, warning us of our weaknesses and infractions, poking fun at us, but always looking to combat darkness and bring about balance and harmony after we have stumbled, fallen, scraped our knees and risen again to face another day. Elegbara has existed since the beginning of time. Bearing the name Lagemo Orun, meaning “sacred child of heaven”, he was created by Olodumare, the
Supreme Creator, and holds a position of unchallenged importance and authority. Though having divine origins, many of the ese of Ifa
divination speak of Elegbara as having lived on earth.

There are many localities where Elegbara supposedly walked the sacred land of the Yoruba. The first of these is the spiritual cradle of the
Yoruba race called Ile-Ife in current southwestern Nigeria. This is the area where Orunmila and the orisas first descended to earth to take up
residence and populate the world which had been created by Olodumare and Orunmila. Ese of Ifa also place him on a mountaintop near Igbeti, close to the Niger River. Other ese take him to Ketu of the Dahomey kingdom, now the present day Republic of Benin. There are also reports that he was worshiped or lived in a village called Iworo near Badagry on the coast of what is now Lagos State, Nigeria. Researcher Peter McKenzie
identifies a sacred grove in Iworo as the most famous site of Elegbara worship, but claims that this shrine was destroyed in 1863 by Governor
Glover of Lagos. Present day worship of Elegbara in Nigeria is strong in Osun and Ondo State but he is worshiped throughout Yoruba land.

As Olodumare’s loyal and faithful servant, Elegbara works under him and alongside Orunmila, punishing anyone who does not carry out the wishes
of Olodumare, who does not make the prescribed sacrifices, or who does not live within the godly principles laid out by Olodumare. He is the
most powerful and important deity amongst the orisa as he must be acknowledged first in all rituals by humans and all orisa alike. His
praise name Alajiki tells us that he is “the one to be addressed first” and his name Akeregbaye tells us that he is “small but in control of the
whole world”. He is a force to be respected and no one should ever think they are clever enough to get the upper hand with Elegbara.

Elegbara and Orunmila are inseparable friends, and of all the orisas, Orunmila is the one who knows how to handle the dynamic power, energy
and uncertain temperament of Elegbara. Orunmila is the embodiment of the wisdom of Ifa and head of the Ifa priesthood. It was Orunmila who was sent to earth by Olodumare to aid in the creation and development of earth and foster the human beings living there. Olodumare gave to
Orunmila the ability to divine his will by using the sixteen sacred palm nuts, so that man would not suffer anymore.

Ese of the odus speak of Elegbara tagging alongside Orunmila as a kind of learner priest as he walked the land divining, but it is safe to say
that Elegbara was created out of necessity by Olodumare. He arrived already possessing his great destiny to fight for anyone who has offered
the appropriate sacrifice against the powerful Ajogun Orun. These negative forces are Death, Disease, Loss, Destruction and Lawsuit, who
wreak havoc in humans’ lives. The praise names of Alaakalu, “one whose greatness is manifested everywhere”, and Amonisegun Mapo, “he who is
all-knowing and has powerful medicine”, attest to his capabilities and superiority over the Ajogun. It is this incomprehensible ability to be
both big and small at the same time that confounds normal human sensibilities. Elegbara thumbs his nose at physics and makes us rub our
eyes more than once as we try to accurately perceive him. The following praise chant attempts to explain his size:

Esu sleeps in the house
But the house is too small for him
Esu sleeps on the front yard
But the yard is too constricting for him
Esu sleeps in the palm nut shell
Now he has enough room to stretch at large…

Esu Lalu, Ogo Esu, ElegbaraCarved statues and ese describe Elegbara as a short man with a beard, pointed teeth, polished skin black as night, and with the curious habit of walking with a limp, due to his having one foot in the world of the humans and one foot in the spiritual realm. His
statues sometimes portray him as holding a calabash in his left hand in which the divine ase of Olodumare rests. This ase, pronounced ah-shay,
is the power of divine command and he has the discretion to use it as he sees fit. At other times he is seen with a magic bag or gourd, or a type
of wand in hand. This takes the name of Ado Asure which contains fortunes or magic inside. In some verses it is said that he points his
wand and whatever he wishes comes to pass. Elegbara is said to have eyes in the front and back of his head as shown in his carved statues, by the hook-like outgrowth attached at the back of his head. It is here where his other eyes are said to be. This can be thought of as having the
ability to see into the future or the past, and also as having foresight and hindsight, something we need in our daily lives as we make
split-second decisions which can have far reaching consequences. Clearly, this is Elegbara’s territory.

He is sometimes depicted in statues as having a huge, over-sized, erect phallus, linking him with fertility and also the potentially dangerous
relations between men and women. In Brazil, one of the many names for the African-based religions is Candomble and there is a terreiro (sacred
house where the orisas are called down), of Candomble in Itapoa, Bahia State, Brazil, that has a wooden phallus carved from a fairly large tree
trunk. Those possessed by Exu can be seen sitting with it between their legs, smoking, drinking and giving advice to the people seated around
him and seeking his favor. There are risqué comments, laughter and clever joking in between the serious words.

There is a common saying amongst the Fon of West Africa, who imported Elegbara from the Yoruba: “Legba everywhere dances in the manner of a man copulating.” Anthropologist Melville J. Herskovits (1895-1963) was a pioneer in research on African cultures and saw Legba dance in the
flesh. American born, he traveled to most of the countries with an African presence in the New World and produced ground breaking
ethnographic research while in Africa. He was an advocate of African self-determination and he devoted his life trying to destroy the myths
that the beliefs and cultures of Africans were primitive and that Africans had not made a contribution to world history.

https://farinadeolokun.com/enter-ile-ifa/esu-elegbara-sacred-child-of-heaven/

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The updated Yoruba bible have replacement of Esu as Sátánì. The error is well known, even many Christians want to use that misconception to antagonize Yoruba spiritual system. Only the ignorant folks and frauds who stands on the pulpit to spew barefaced lie on their sheeples would say Esu is devil or Satan. The error was from Ajayi Crowther, a brainwashed slave who knows nothing about Orisa system.

A rational person would try to identify Satan and Esu separately, and also compare and contrast their nature and characteristics.

Esu of the Orisa system is not anti-God. This figure has never contested or challenged the authority of Eledumare. As we know, Esu is the right man of Eledumare. Esu is the messenger of Eledumare. Esu is stands at the doorstep of heavens and the keeper of all the Ashe in the universe.

This nature is non comparable with Satan mean Adversary. Satan is an opponent, opposite, and rival of Yahweh. Satan challenged the authority of Yahweh and wished he can sit on the throne. He waged a war against Yahweh which he was defeated and barnished into the earth. The coupist, revisionist and reformist took their inspiration from Satan. And who knows, maybe Yahweh is a hell of tyrant dictator.

So well who is the Devil. Firstly, devil is the personification of evil. It is an evil and erring entity. Yoruba people call Devil ẹni burúkú. If I am going to argue, neither Satan or Esu is devil. My case would be centred on what evil is, how and who perpetrate evil.

Evil refers that which is unpleasant to the total well being of humankind, or that which works against the welfare of humankind. It manifests itself in human experience as suffering, pain, moral wickedness, and the wrong that human beings do to one another. One will agree that evil is harmful to mankind or bad morally.

While there is no record that Esu has done any harm to anybody. The effects of Esu trickery is to trigger challenges that can elevate one spiritually. Satan didnt cause any harm to anyone in the bible. The ignoramus only blame Satan or Esu for their ills.

Yahweh or the Christian God is the devil.

Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

Amos 3:6
Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the Lord hath not done it?

Lamentation 3:38
Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth not evil and good?

It is Yahweh who created evil and calamities. It is Yahweh who ordered evil things to happen. Therefore, he is the devil.

FOLYKAZE:
The updated Yoruba bible have replacement of Esu as Sátánì. The error is well known, even many Christians want to use that misconception to antagonize Yoruba spiritual system. Only the ignorant folks and frauds who stands on the pulpit to spew barefaced lie on their sheeples would say Esu is devil or Satan. The error was from Ajayi Crowther, a brainwashed slave who knows nothing about Orisa system.

A rational person would try to identify Satan and Esu separately, and also compare and contrast their nature and characteristics.

Esu of the Orisa system is not anti-God. This figure has never contested or challenged the authority of Eledumare. As we know, Esu is the right man of Eledumare. Esu is the messenger of Eledumare. Esu is stands at the doorstep of heavens and the keeper of all the Ashe in the universe.

This nature is non comparable with Satan mean Adversary. Satan is an opponent, opposite, and rival of Yahweh. Satan challenged the authority of Yahweh and wished he can sit on the throne. He waged a war against Yahweh which he was defeated and barnished into the earth. The coupist, revisionist and reformist took their inspiration from Satan. And who knows, maybe Yahweh is a hell of tyrant dictator.

So well who is the Devil. Firstly, devil is the personification of evil. It is an evil and erring entity. Yoruba people call Devil ẹni burúkú. If I am going to argue, neither Satan or Esu is devil. My case would be centred on what evil is, how and who perpetrate evil.

Evil refers that which is unpleasant to the total well being of humankind, or that which works against the welfare of humankind. It manifests itself in human experience as suffering, pain, moral wickedness, and the wrong that human beings do to one another. One will agree that evil is harmful to mankind or bad morally.

While there is no record that Esu has done any harm to anybody. The effects of Esu trickery is to trigger challenges that can elevate one spiritually. Satan didnt cause any harm to anyone in the bible. The ignoramus only blame Satan or Esu for their ills.

Yahweh or the Christian God is the devil.

Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

Amos 3:6
Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the Lord hath not done it?

Lamentation 3:38
Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth not evil and good?

It is Yahweh who created evil and calamities. It is Yahweh who ordered evil things to happen. Therefore, he is the devil.

This is why OtemAtum calls Yahweh Satan

CuteMadridista:
This is why OtemAtum calls Yahweh Satan

I call him Satan because according to the Doctufos history, Satan means enemy of humanity and Yahweh was and is an arch-enemy of humanity.

The Highest Consciousness also calls him same in the Doctufos. Satan doesn't necessarily mean 'the devil' but an arch-enemy which Yahweh is qualified as.

OtemAtum:
I call him Satan because according to the Doctufos history, Satan means enemy of humanity and Yahweh was and is an arch-enemy of humanity.

The Highest Consciousness also calls him same in the Doctufos. Satan doesn't necessarily mean 'the devil' but an arch-enemy which Yahweh is qualified as.

I observe you rarely call Yahweh Satan like before, why the change?

CuteMadridista:
I observe you rarely call Yahweh Satan like before, why the change?

I think I still did that today. I do it mostly when Christians are telling me that I am working for Satan. I quickly let them know that I don't work for Satan(Yahweh). I'll post a screenshot of something like that.

CuteMadridista:
This is why OtemAtum calls Yahweh Satan

He is right.

Can you help us list the numbers of people killed directly and indirectly by Yahweh? For the record, Satan didn't kill anyone in the bible.

If killing is evil, base on our moral standard, Yahweh is the devil

FOLYKAZE:
He is right.

Can you help us list the numbers of people killed directly and indirectly by Yahweh? For the record, Satan didn't kill anyone in the bible.

If killing is evil, base on our moral standard, Yahweh is the devil

Christians would say Yahweh created everything so he has the right to kill what it created. just playing the devil's, oopss, advocate here

Cutemadridista, observe this screenshot

CuteMadridista:
Christians would say Yahweh created everything so he has the right to kill what it created. just playing the devil's, oopss, advocate here

That attempt is very poor.

So parents havs rights to kill their children because they bore them?

A man has right to rape a woman because he has paid her bride prize?

CuteMadridista:
Christians would say
Yahweh created everything
so He has the right to kill what He created
just playing the devil's, oopss, advocate here

No truer words than this.
However putting is appropriately,
it is called judgment

This prerogative, is for God only.

FOLYKAZE:
He is right.
Can you help us list the numbers of people killed directly and indirectly by Yahweh

Satan kills, contrary to what you think.
If you doubt, I can list you a modest number of people killed directly and indirectly by Satan

FOLYKAZE:
For the record,
Satan didn't kill anyone in the bible

Of course Satan killed in the bible
Satan did then and still does to date,
albeit, must be said that, not without God allowing Satan to

Whatever, Satan can't steal, Satan will kill
and if Satan can't kill, Satan will opt to destroy.

FOLYKAZE:
If killing is evil, base on our moral standard, Yahweh is the devil

This says it all, by the way,
we are not basing it on our own moral standard,
besides what you call killing,
again repeating, is actually judgement

FOLYKAZE:
That attempt is very poor.

So parents havs rights to kill their children because they bore them?

A man has right to rape a woman because he has paid her bride prize?

Children are a gift from the LORD;
they are a reward from Him.
- Psalms 127:3

Giving birth, doesn't relinquish who, really had, and has rights, over the kids.

The parents are custodians,
given the responsibility of taking care of
and protecting their child(ren).

They are still answerable to God,
and will give account and explanations to God,
how they fared, as regards, being trusted with the kids.

We've heard it said, a man who finds a wife,
finds good, and obtains favour from God

So what's with all this remark, about right to kill a child because of giving birth to them and/or right to rape a woman because you paid dowry?

You are doing a telling sign of strawman with your those parents' and man's rights.

vaxx, I see you, just you know, I haven't forgotten "our" thread

MuttleyLaff:
Satan kills, contrary to what you think.
If you doubt, I can list you a modest number of people killed directly and indirectly by Satan

Oh please can you help us with the numbers of people Satan killed.

MuttleyLaff:
Of course Satan killed in the bible
Satan did then and still does to date,
albeit, must be said that, not without God allowing Satan to

The red colored statement of yours further shows that the act of killing wasn't done by Satan but Yahweh. That, who order killing is also a murderer.

MuttleyLaff:
Whatever, Satan can't steal, Satan will kill
and if Satan can't kill, Satan will opt to destroy.

And please stop making things up. You need to show how Satan steals, how he killed, how he destroyed.

MuttleyLaff:
This says it all, by the way,
we are not basing it on our own moral standard,
besides what you call killing,
again repeating, is actually judgement

You are actually depicting your God as a blood thirsty beast who derived joy in the killing unborn children and little innocent adolescent who does not understand the law, concept of sin and general way of life. Maybe it is a judgement to you, when the blood thirsty God ordered his foot soldiers to smash babies head on a rock, and remove foetus with a sword. And I ask, what are the sins of children which cause of their death is God? That is not moral standard. It is judgement huh? What is God judging a day old baby for? What are the sins of baby that died?

If I were to define Judgment, I would say it is a way of making a decision. However, this decision can either be just or unjust. When the decision of God is unjust, it practically mean he is evil and the he is the devil.

This makes me remember a story from John 9. It is a story about a boy that was born without an eye. From the day he was born, till he met Jesus, this boy cannot sight anything. And when Jesus was asked, what exactly the sin of the young man is. He answered in John 9:3
Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.

Neither the boy or his parents has sinned. So why the hell did God makes him suffer and lost in total darkness? Ya, it is judgement, according to you. So I asked my dear.,what is the sin, basis and reason why God make this boy blind? Jesus answered it....He wants to glorify Himself with the suffering, pains, agony and anguish of been in darkness since birth.

That God of yours dude is a sadist. He enjoys making people suffer for no just cause. And you were mentioning judgement when there is no justice, uprightness and fairness. There is no wrongdoing, what is your God judging?

MuttleyLaff:
Children are a gift from the LORD;
they are a reward from Him.
- Psalms 127:3

Giving birth, doesn't relinquish who, really had, and has rights, over the kids.

The parents are custodians,
given the responsibility of taking care of
and protecting their child(ren).

They are still answerable to God,
and will give account and explanations to God,
how they fared, as regards, being trusted with the kids.

We've heard it said, a man who finds a wife,
finds good, and obtains favour from God

Oh! God's gift is very unpleasant when one divorce his wife. Maybe God doesn't know the right partner for a supposed husband.

The selection of gifts from God, especially in a case of raping, fornication and adulery explains that your God has a bad choices. Many' unwanted' children have been given birth to from inactions of their parents which could be rape, fornication and adultery. Would you regard these kids as gift from God? If yes, God bless the sinners. Law against sin has been invalidated

Hosea 2:4 "Upon her children I have no pity, because they are children of whoredom"

Deuteronomy 23:2 "those born of an illicit union shall not be admitted to the assembly of the LORD. Even to the tenth generation, none of their descendants shall be admitted to the assembly of the LORD."

And the Holy Lord BLESSED illicit union of two grown up adults with a child. This child, according to you, is a GIFT from God. It doesn't matter if he is a product of rape, adultery or fornication, the child is a GIFT. But the God turns around to reject and throw out this precious GIFT of his from his fold. This God must be crazy.

MuttleyLaff:
So what's with all this remark, about right to kill a child because of giving birth to them and/or right to rape a woman because you paid dowry?

You are doing a telling sign of strawman with your those parents' and man's rights.

A woman is a subject of a man just like a man is a subject to God. Atleast that is how the bible made us understand. As the case may be, a Christian that supports killing of mankind by a God should be able to support raping of a wife by husband. Afterall, we are God own property just like my wife is my property.

FOLYKAZE:
Oh please can you help us with the numbers of people Satan killed

¹⁰You have always protected him and his family and everything he owns.
You bless everything he does, and you have given him enough cattle to fill the whole country.
¹¹But now suppose you take away everything he has—he will curse you to your face!”
¹² “All right,” the Lord said to Satan,
“everything he has is in your power, but you must not hurt Job himself.”
So Satan left.
- Job 1:10-12

Modestly, seven sons, three daughters and a number of other people in the household, which possibly are at least 50 servants

FOLYKAZE:
The red colored statement of yours further shows that the act of killing wasn't done by Satan but Yahweh.
That, who order killing is also a murderer.

...he was a murderer from the beginning,
refusing to uphold the truth, because there is no truth in him.
When he lies, he speaks his native language,
because he is a liar
and the father of lies.
- John 8:44

People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw a boomerang
Make a wild guess, who from above, in print, is called a murderer, a murderer from the beginning?
Read 1 John 3:8 below, the situation problem, the works of this murderer, is what God came to put an end to

FOLYKAZE:
And please stop making things up.
You need to show how Satan steals, how he killed, how he destroyed.

The one who practices sin is of the devil,
because the devil has been sinning from the beginning.
For this purpose the Son of God was revealed: to destroy the works of the devil.
- 1 John 3:8

I dont have a need to make things up
The Devil, aka Satan's track record, is doing a "good" job at speaking on Satan's behalf
Right from the beginning, Satan has been at it

FOLYKAZE:
You are actually depicting your God as a blood thirsty beast who derived joy in the killing unborn children
and little innocent adolescent who does not understand the law, concept of sin and general way of life.

Maybe it is a judgement to you, when the blood thirsty God ordered his foot soldiers to smash babies head on a rock,
and remove foetus with a sword.

And I ask, what are the sins of children which cause of their death is God?

That is not moral standard. It is judgement huh?

What is God judging a day old baby for?
What are the sins of baby that died?

When you go find out you what Olodumare really and properly means, you'll have the answer to your "What" queries

FOLYKAZE:
If I were to define Judgment, I would say it is a way of making a decision.
However, this decision can either be just or unjust.
When the decision of God is unjust, it practically mean he is evil and the he is the devil

Mr Moralising FOLYKAZE, make no mistake about it.
God is Good, God is ever Just
God's decisions are not only Just but in addition, are always sensible.

FOLYKAZE:
This makes me remember a story from John 9.
It is a story about a boy that was born without an eye.
From the day he was born, till he met Jesus, this boy cannot sight anything.
And when Jesus was asked, what exactly the sin of the young man is. He answered in John 9:3
Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.

Neither the boy or his parents has sinned. So why the hell did God makes him suffer and lost in total darkness?
Ya, it is judgement, according to you.
So I asked my dear. what is the sin, basis and reason why God make this boy blind?
Jesus answered it....He wants to glorify Himself with the suffering, pains, agony and anguish of been in darkness since birth.

That God of yours dude is a sadist.
He enjoys making people suffer for no just cause.
And you were mentioning judgement when there is no justice, uprightness and fairness.
There is no wrongdoing, what is your God judging?

A response like this vindicates me, when I said your explanation of Olodumare is wack

FOLYKAZE:
Oh! God's gift is very unpleasant when one divorce his wife.
Maybe God doesn't know the right partner for a supposed husband.

The selection of gifts from God, especially in a case of raping, fornication and adulery explains that your God has a bad choices.
Many' unwanted' children have been given birth to from inactions of their parents which could be rape, fornication and adultery.
Would you regard these kids as gift from God?
If yes, God bless the sinners.
Law against sin has been invalidated

Hosea 2:4 "Upon her children I have no pity, because they are children of whoredom"

Deuteronomy 23:2 "those born of an illicit union shall not be admitted to the assembly of the LORD.
Even to the tenth generation, none of their descendants shall be admitted to the assembly of the LORD."

And the Holy Lord BLESSED illicit union of two grown up adults with a child.
This child, according to you, is a GIFT from God. It doesn't matter if he is a product of rape, adultery or fornication, the child is a GIFT. But the God turns around to reject and throw out this precious GIFT of his from his fold. This God must be crazy

Keep on enjoying your strawman
Keep it to yourself, as I am not interested in it

FOLYKAZE:
A woman is a subject of a man just like a man is a subject to God.
At least that is how the bible made us understand.
As the case may be, a Christian that supports killing of mankind by a God should be able to support raping of a wife by husband.
Afterall, we are God own property just like my wife is my property.

Going on another of your major illogical detours, are you again

MuttleyLaff:
¹⁰You have always protected him and his family and everything he owns.
You bless everything he does, and you have given him enough cattle to fill the whole country.
¹¹But now suppose you take away everything he has—he will curse you to your face!”
¹² “All right,” the Lord said to Satan,
“everything he has is in your power, but you must not hurt Job himself.”
So Satan left.
- Job 1:10-12

Modestly, seven sons, three daughters and a number of other people in the household, which possibly are at least 50 servants

Your argument holds no water. It has no substance and explodes even before you present it.

Do a quick check on the red emboldened sentence in the verse you posted.

Satan was ordained to kill, destroy and set on ruin everything he had by Yahweh. He couldn't have done it if Yahweh had not granted him the chance to.

This line of argument is akin to the pro-gun motion which holds that gun doesn't kill, people do the killing. This is right and fair

If we are going to apply the above logic to this argument, Yahweh is the culprit here because he deliberately ordained Satan to kill and destroy. Yahweh in this case is somewhat like a Politician that sends Assassins to kill people. On who's order is the Assassin operating, the politician. On who's order is Satan operating, God. Therefore, Yahweh is the wicked culprit here.

This case is not happening just once. On several occasions, Yahweh has sent his ANGELS to annihilate the whole city. 1 Chronicles 21:15 and Isaiah 37:36 and lot more.

MuttleyLaff:
...he was a murderer from the beginning,
refusing to uphold the truth, because there is no truth in him.
When he lies, he speaks his native language,
because he is a liar
and the father of lies.
- John 8:44

People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw a boomerang
Make a wild guess, who from above, in print, is called a murderer, a murderer from the beginning?
Read 1 John 3:8 below, the situation problem, the works of this murderer, is what God came to put an end to

You are only making n accusation here without presenting facts on how Satan lied, killed and destroyed on his own volition.

You just don't say because you detest and unjustly want to hang Satan, you backup your point with verifiable evidence.

Murder mean deliberately killing of someone. Has Satan deliberately killed anyone? Isn't the act of killing carried out on the order of Yahweh?

MuttleyLaff:
The one who practices sin is of the devil,
because the devil has been sinning from the beginning.
For this purpose the Son of God was revealed: to destroy the works of the devil.
- 1 John 3:8

I dont have a need to make things up
The Devil, aka Satan's track record, is doing a "good" job at speaking on Satan's behalf
Right from the beginning, Satan has been at it

Hogwash. Yahweh caused evil. Therefore he is the devil.

MuttleyLaff:
When you go find out you what Olodumare really and properly means, you'll have the answer to your "What" queries

You tell us what justice it's in the killing of babies, making children suffer even without committing any sin.

MuttleyLaff:
Mr Moralising FOLYKAZE, make no mistake about it.
God is Good, God is ever Just
God's decisions are not only Just but in addition, are always sensible.

Another horseshiit. A good tree does not produce a bad fruit. Only a bad tree produces bad fruit. Out of Yahweh emanated evil, therefore, he is not good but evil.

MuttleyLaff:
A response like this vindicates me, when I said your explanation of Olodumare is wack

Throw in the towel now that you know your God is a blood thirsty tyrant that kills people with an unjust cause. For one, he made a young man live in darkness almost for half of his lifetime without committing any sin but this God want to glorify himself by making people suffer. What a sadist God you worship.

Well, Eledumare is Deistic. And he doesnt watch how you bang your wife or if you hits her from the backside. Why should any God pokenose into the affair of men?

MuttleyLaff:
Keep on enjoying your strawman
Keep it to yourself, as I am not interested in it

Going on another of your major illogical detours, are you again

You wont see that line of argument because you have long been blinded from seeing the truth.

At a point you were supporting God killing innocent children under the tag unjust 'judgement'. If God can kill his creature, why shouldn't husband rape his wife?

MuttleyLaff:
¹⁰You have always protected him and his family and everything he owns.
You bless everything he does, and you have given him enough cattle to fill the whole country.
¹¹But now suppose you take away everything he has—he will curse you to your face!”
¹² “All right,” the Lord said to Satan,
“everything he has is in your power, but you must not hurt Job himself.”
So Satan left.
- Job 1:10-12

Modestly, seven sons, three daughters and a number of other people in the household, which possibly are at least 50 servants

...he was a murderer from the beginning,
refusing to uphold the truth, because there is no truth in him.
When he lies, he speaks his native language,
because he is a liar
and the father of lies.
- John 8:44

People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw a boomerang
Make a wild guess, who from above, in print, is called a murderer, a murderer from the beginning?
Read 1 John 3:8 below, the situation problem, the works of this murderer, is what God came to put an end to

The one who practices sin is of the devil,
because the devil has been sinning from the beginning.
For this purpose the Son of God was revealed: to destroy the works of the devil.
- 1 John 3:8

I dont have a need to make things up
The Devil, aka Satan's track record, is doing a "good" job at speaking on Satan's behalf
Right from the beginning, Satan has been at it

When you go find out you what Olodumare really and properly means, you'll have the answer to your "What" queries

Mr Moralising FOLYKAZE, make no mistake about it.
God is Good, God is ever Just
God's decisions are not only Just but in addition, are always sensible.

A response like this vindicates me, when I said your explanation of Olodumare is wack

Keep on enjoying your strawman
Keep it to yourself, as I am not interested in it

Going on another of your major illogical detours, are you again

But, why does those who don't believe in the existence of satan dedend him so? Or, is Satan Esu?

Emmanystone:
But, why does those who don't believe in the existence of satan dedend him so? Or, is Satan Esu?

We are arguing on a premises base on the bible account. It doesn't validate the existence of sky daddy and his antagonist.