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Ivorianaija:
You people blindly follow religion and it really bothers me that someone will use an overly edited book (e.g Bible) to justify all things in life. I'm sorry but religion is just not good enough to justify something like this. And you also haven't even given me a good reason as to why the husband is the head. Please, explain.

I'm a practicing Christian but I've never quoted the Bible nor any religious text... I don't know why you are bringing the Bible into this.

Anyway, nature and life made it so...

If you attend functions and events, you would have come across "Mr and Mrs" and not "Mrs and Mr"

That's to show you that in order of hierarchy/protocol, the husband COMES before the wife!!!


Religion doesn't make it so, nature did...

kimbraa:
The subject of discourse is marriage, not girl friend. You said if a woman(your wife) doesn't kneel to serve you, you lose appetite. Now, my question is; isn't your woman/wife meant to be your best friend/confidante/soul mate? Why subject her to kneeling down to serve you like a servant? What's wrong if she seats by you to serve you? Stop reasoning like the primitive man.

if kneeling is now primitive then proposing, giving a woman money, being her protector and dying for her is also primitive.
kneel or i treat you like my equal, and i dont feed, finance or sacrifice for an equal. we have the same power after all.

TonyeBarcanista:
I'm a practicing Christian but I've never quoted the Bible nor any religious text... I don't know why you are bringing the Bible into this.

Anyway, nature and life made it so...

If you attend functions and events, you would have come across "Mr and Mrs" and not "Mrs and Mr"

That's to show you that in order of hierarchy/protocol, the husband COMES before the wife!!!


Religion doesn't make it so, nature did...

You have not told me why, you are obviously avoiding the question

kimbraa:
I completely agree with this.

My Dear, if not that you are married I'd have married you this minute...

ubunja:
if kneeling is now primitive then proposing, giving a woman money, being her protector and dying for her is also primitive.
kneel or i treat you like my equal, and i dont feed, finance or sacrifice for an equal. we have the same power after all.

Chief calm down na lol

ubunja:
if kneeling is now primitive then proposing, giving a woman money, being her protector and dying for her is also primitive.
kneel or i treat you like my equal, and i dont feed, finance or sacrifice for an equal. we have the same power after all.

So in essence, you still see yourself as a superior being to your wife? I wasn't the one who said man must be the provider and protector of his home. It's in your bible, and it has nothing to do with feminism as most of you ignorant folks look for means to bring your most dreaded subject into discourse even where it isn't meant to come in. Being submissive doesn't entail kneeling down to serve you. That's my point.

TonyeBarcanista:
Chief calm down na lol

lol the way these girls choose what is primitive and what is modern will make your head spin. selfish to the core.

ubunja:
lol the way these girls choose what is primitive and what is modern will make your head spin. selfish to the core.

Both of you should marry

TonyeBarcanista:
My Dear, if not that you are married I'd have married you this minute...

LOL. I guess my husband was faster.

kimbraa:
So in essence, you still see yourself as a superior being to your wife? I wasn't the one who said man must be the provider and protector of his home. It's in your bible, and it has nothing to do with feminism as most of you ignorant folks look for means to bring your most dreaded subject into discourse even where it isn't meant to come in. Being submissive doesn't entail kneeling down to serve you. That's my point.

Long before the advent of Christianity, men have always been primary providers and protectors of the family. Please do not blackmail the Bible!

That is why a man, whether Christian, Muslim, Pagan, Atheist, Egbesu faithful, Hindu, Buddhist etc will not bother much about the financial status or strength of a prospective wife but a woman will always factor that even if her father is a DANGOTE

kimbraa:
So in essence, you still see yourself as a superior being to your wife? I wasn't the one who said man must be the provider and protector of his home. It's in your bible, and it has nothing to do with feminism as most of you ignorant folks look for means to bring your most dreaded subject into discourse even where it isn't meant to come in. Being submissive doesn't entail kneeling down to serve you. That's my point.

any submission that doesnt involve kneeling i reject it. i always tell my hoes if you not prepared to kneel then kindly walk away. and half always walk away. yet i never been rejected so much i spent months single. many girls really dont mind. and some are doing it as a fvck-you to feminism. i met quiet about 3 girls like that.

kimbraa:
LOL. I guess my husband was faster.

Say me Hi to him... I hope he will vote PDP in 2019?

TonyeBarcanista:
Long before the advent of Christianity, men have always been primary providers and protectors of the family. Please do not blackmail the Bible!

That is why a man, whether Christian, Muslim, Pagan, Atheist, Egbesu faithful, Hindu, Buddhist etc will not bother much about the financial status or strength of a prospective wife but a woman will always factor that even if her father is a DANGOTE

You said it's been a practice before the advent of Christianity but it's written in the bible as one of man's responsibility to his wife. I quoted the bible so it's not blackmailing like you put it.

ubunja:
any submission that doesnt involve kneeling i reject it. i always tell my hoes if you not prepared to kneel then kindly walk away. and half always walk away. yet i never been rejected so much i spent months single. many girls really dont mind. and some are doing it as a fvck-you to feminism. i met quiet about 3 girls like that.

Good for you.

TonyeBarcanista:
Say me Hi to him... I hope he will vote PDP in 2019?

He's apolitical.
Have a nice day.

Submission, that trigger word that always reveals a person's core psychological leaning.

An insecure person with a bloated ego will hate the word.
An insecure person with a domineering attitude will love the word.

Personally, I believe marriage is about malleability. Most men desire women who can be malleable when it is important and necessary for her to be. Most women on the other hand will be malleable to a man as long as he doesn't force it on her.

A smart man won't choose to be with a woman who acts submissive because that can be faked, he would rather choose to be with a woman who has no hangups learning from him. The latter can't be faked.
A smart woman won't choose to be with a man who claims not to want submission because that can be faked, she would rather choose to be with a man who tells her what he wants and likes while allowing her the opportunity to reach a compromise that will work for both.

kimbraa:
You can still submit to your husband and challenge his decisions 'cause humans are fallible. In marriage, two are one. There's no superior or lesser being in this union 'cause they're meant to decide unanimously.

of course I don't mean an authoritarian. in marriage decisions should be taken together but I've seen where the man has no say. maybe I didn't explain what I meant well. and there's no superior or inferior being but there must be a head. in that respect men are certainly not equal to women

Ivorianaija:
Why should a woman have to submit to her husband for a happy marriage. Marriage is an equal pairing between two people and both people agreed to be together for as long as possible. Why would somebody want to live a good majority of their life as an indirect slave to their husband?

go and die

Until variation stops to yield difference, submission will remain a bad/provocative term to use on matters like this, both in word and action - the importance of euphemism can never be overestimated. Submissiveness remain the civil term to use both in word and action.

Yes, a wife is expected to be submissive to her sane and sound husband (but not to submit to him because she isn't inferior to him) in all rational conditions, and of course, the husband's self-effacing action which shouldn't be in shortage stand as a reciprocal in same regard.

The most unpronounced distinction between submissiveness and submission is that while the former requires ungrudging-volition to implement the latter requires grudging-volition to implement in most instances - because propagators of submission and domineeringness/hypocrisy/irrationality are inseparable. Just like in giving: all givens aren't the same; when you give altruistically you won't expect anything profit in return, but when you give selfishly you'll surely expect something profit in return, either directly or indirectly.

Submission is akin to a company manager and his staff in formal settings, while submissiveness is akin to a first between equals and his equal. The way a Senate President treats his senator colleagues is different from the way a manager of a company treats his subordinates.

A subjugator will expect submission from you while a libertarian will expect submissiveness from you.

Ivorianaija:
Feel free to elaborate on this but try not to spread hate.

You said people should feel free to elaborate, yet you attacked an opinion that was against yours. If you are taking a poll, no wrong or right answer. Stay clear, it was supposed to be a debate. And your title is wrong. Why not use "should a woman submit to her husband?" Or " Are women suppose to be submissive in marriage?"or " Does a woman have to submit to her husband?" We submit to, not submit for. Each has different meaning

kimbraa:
So in essence, you still see yourself as a superior being to your wife? I wasn't the one who said man must be the provider and protector of his home. It's in your bible, and it has nothing to do with feminism as most of you ignorant folks look for means to bring your most dreaded subject into discourse even where it isn't meant to come in. Being submissive doesn't entail kneeling down to serve you. That's my point.

most of what you said seemed ok for me except when you equated kneeling for him to being a slave.

Kneeling could be symbolic. As far as it does not affect the dignity of the person(s), then it is fine.

Does a guy become a slave by proposing to a lady?
do certain tribe boys become slaves by kneeling door-to-door to all women in the village as part of their rites to become a man?

ubunja:
any submission that doesnt involve kneeling i reject it. i always tell my hoes if you not prepared to kneel then kindly walk away. and half always walk away. yet i never been rejected so much i spent months single. many girls really dont mind. and some are doing it as a fvck-you to feminism. i met quiet about 3 girls like that.

you are a chauvinist? It is ok as far as you dont disrespect females in your day-to-day relations.

however, i fear you are making your chauvinistic sentiments universal law.

monex:
you are a chauvinist? It is ok as far as you dont disrespect females in your day-to-day relations.

however, i fear you are making your chauvinistic sentiments universal law.

who cares what you fear??