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For those so-called Christians and unbelievers here who are saying Leah should have applied sense to deny Christ and repent later to save herself from Boko Haram, let me inform you that the one greater & deadlier than Boko Haram is coming - the Anti-Christ (Beast). Read Matthew 24, Revelations Chapters 11-20
For the Anti-Christ, its either you receive his mark (666) which means denying Christ or you die immediately. Without his mark, you can't buy or sell or do business. When you receive the mark, there is no repentance or heaven for you, as the Bible affirms.
The question is - those who are finding it difficult to stand up for their faith before Boko Haram, will they be able to stand up to the Beast IMPOSSIBLE!
So for our bread and butter Christians who are condemning Leah, decide your stand now before things get tougher when the Rapture takes place and the Anti-Christ rears his ugly head forthwith!

alBHAGDADI:
Then she becomes like Muslims cos that's what their religion preaches.

SAHIH INTERNATIONAL
Quran 16:106
Whoever disbelieves in Allah after his belief... except for one who is forced [to renounce his religion] while his heart is secure in faith. But those who [willingly] open their breasts to disbelief, upon them is wrath from Allah, and for them is a great punishment;

This is permission to LIE.

Do you know why Muslims called themselves slaves of Allah? Cos Allah permitted them to deny him. A true child will never deny his father. Muslims aren't Allah's children cos he calls them slaves, that's why they can deny him at will. But a true child of God will never deny his Heavenly Father.

We Christians are children of God through Jesus Christ the Son of God.

She become like Muslim temporarily does not mean she is a Muslim .
Among the chibok girls who were released some time ago there were some of them who were christians. During their captivity they were like Muslims as their captors tried everything possible to indoctrinate them into Islam for many months. Now that they have been released they have been rehabilitated back to their true religion christianity.
They remain christians inspite all the boko haram efforts.
What does that tells you?
It is not easy to convert someone who was born and brought up by a parent of a particular religion into another religion by mere conquest or blur indoctrinations.
That individual will always find his way back to his original religion of his birth sooner or later.

What are we saying?
It is really unwise for Leah to keep shouting I'm a christian while in captivity of boko haram when she would have simply pretended and say i have accepted Islam which truly would have been temporary ,and she get released that's all.
But because she is a child she nor fit get that kind sense

alBHAGDADI:
We have all heard about the young Christian girl, Leah Sheribu who refused to denounce Jesus Christ. But let me give a quick brief for the sake of those who might not know. Leah Sheribu was among the 105 Dapchi schoolgirls abducted by Boko Haram Islamist terrorists. She was however not released cos she refused to denounce Jesus Christ and put on the hijab. This angered the terrorists and made them hold her back while the the Muslim girls were released.

Going through social media, I came across certain comments concerning the issue that were really nauseating cos they appeared to be coming from people who call themselves Christians. Some said she was a fool for not denying Jesus Christ. They said she should have done that to save her life. Then the moment she regains her freedom she can become Christian again. People who make such comments are those that have been deceived by their prosperity preaching pastors that a rapture will make them escape the Great Tribulation which they are not prepared for and which is upon us already.

For those who know what true Christianity is, we see Leah Sheribu as a huge source of inspiration. What she did is equivalent to what the Apostles of Jesus Christ and the early disciples did. They stood by their faith till death.

Leah obeyed Jesus Christ in so many ways. See what Jesus said in the verse below.

Mathew 10:37
"Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me;

Can your child obey the words of Jesus? Can you as a child obey? While majority of us will be eager to return home and willing to do anythng to see our parents again, Leah didn't cos the situation that provides such will make her lose her faith. She decided to love Jesus more than her parents. Did her parents see her action as stupid? No, cos they are happy they taught their daughter well and she just proved it. Read her father's statement below.

"Boko Haram insurgents decided not to release my daughter because she refused to denounce Christ,” Sharibu told reporters today. “I am happy for that, even though as a father I wish she had returned home as the rest. But God is in control.”

Her parents sure know the word of God for them to be so strong now. They know that...

Mathew 10:37
... anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

To those who said she should have accepted Islam which is the total denial and rejection of Jesus Christ as the Son of God, then go back home to renounce Islam, you really need to study the Bible very well. The moment you deny Jesus, count it that he will deny you in Heaven as well.

Mathew 10:32-33
32 Therefore everyone who confesses Me before men, I will also confess him before My Father in heaven.
33 But whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father in heaven.

Oh, the game plan is for her to save her life, right? If you were the one, you will quickly deny Jesus just so you can save your life, right? See what Jesus Christ himself said again in the Bible verse below.

Mathew 16:25
For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will find it.

Do you know when you will lose your life? It is when it's time to have eternal life that you will be given death cos you failed to endure the common death which you still eventually faced. You denied Him just to save your life which you later lost. So therefore, He will deny you eternal life.

2 Timothy 2:12
If we endure, we will also reign with him; if we deny him, he also will deny us;

Mathew 10:38
and anyone who does not take up his cross and follow Me is not worthy of Me

Beloved, do not be afraid of laying down your life for Christ. He has given you the promise of eternal life if you suffer for his name sake. You are going to wear a crown of glory which is beautiful than anything you can imagine.

Revelations 2:10
Don't be afraid of what you are about to suffer. The devil will throw some of you into prison to test you. You will suffer for ten days. But if you remain faithful even when facing death, I will give you the crown of life.


There is nothing like saying one thing and meaning the other. That is pure lie. If Leah Sheribu had denied Jesus and claimed to be Muslim before the Islamist terrorists, she would have ended up a LIAR to her God, cos that's what she did. We all think Christianity is all about going to Church to dance and shout the loudest Amen when a prayer about prosperity is offered by shady pastors. We have forgotten what the early apostles suffered to ensure Christianity spread throughout the world. Some of them were beheaded, which is similar to what Boko Haram is doing (this should give you an hint to where the Antichrist will come from). Others were fed to lions alive at the coliseum while some were thrown alive into huge pot of hot oil. But today, all we care about is how we will go to Church in very beautiful clothes, lovely Brazilian hair, nice cars and the best perfumes. All of that is the reason why we refuse to go and preach the gospel when called upon. This is the reason why many of us will deny Jesus Christ when faced with death from terrorists like ISIS, Al Shabab, AlQaeda, Boko Haram etc. It is all because we love the world more than God. The moment you are threatened to deny Jesus Christ, know that He is there watching you to see whether you are truly His disciple. The only reason why you would want to say you are not a Christian is simply because you were never a Christian. If you were, you will know that the confession of your mouth matters cos it can either destroy you or save you.

Romans 10:10
For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.

It is what you have in your heart that you confess. If you've been fed with the true word of God from the scriptures, you will never for once deny that you are Christian cos your makeup is Christian and your brain thinks everything Christian.

Luke 6:45
... for of the abundance of his heart his mouth speaketh.


If you lie to save your life, then it means you love the world more than God. You love your parents more than God. You love your children more than God. This means you will lose your soul.

Mathew 16:26
What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul?


To the parents of Leah Sheribu, you have shown the entire world how a Christian parent ought to behave. You have taught your daughter in the way of the Lord and she has not disappointed you. You will be greatly rewarded. You are a jewel in the eyes of true Christians. We adore you and pray for the safe return of your daughter.

As for Leah Sheribu, you shall never be put to shame. You have done what many so-called vice president and pastors cannot do for their faith. You have stood firm even in the jaws of the beast. You are a great inspiration to all those who await the return of their Lord and Savior. You have not loved mother and father more than Jesus. You have not loved the world. You based all your hope in Christ Jesus. You will be released and returned to your parents in good health and in strength. You will become a celebrated person in Christ. You have become a champion cos you have defied the army of the philistines. You have rejected the hijab and chose freedom instead of slavery. You chose the side of Sarah the free woman and legitimate wife of Abraham instead of the slave and rejected woman called Hagah whose children are slaves eternally. You are what every Christian daughter should be, not those who spend all their time watching immorality celebrated on TV. We all pray for you and will rejoice at your return cos you will never be put to shame. 105 girls were kidnapped, but I believe your name has overshadowed theirs even in capture. This is one of the beauty of suffering for Jesus Christ. Imagine how more famous you will become after your release. God has made your trying times to be a lesson to those who hold fast. You are blessed.


Romans 10:11
As Scripture says, "Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame."

Amen

A very good sermon on Nairaland, typed and posted by a Nairalander in a comfort zone. Now Mr. Preacher you are hereby mandated by all the citizens of Nairaland to proceed to Sambisa forest, dressed like Elijah in the Bible for a live broadcast of this sermon to the stubborn 'Boko Haram' group holding sister Leah. Proceed.

alBHAGDADI:
You are no Christian at all. Your posts have given you away. It's best you never associate with what you can't die for.

In your mind, Peter and the rest Apostles who died for Christ are foolish Christians.

then go die now, it easy talking but to do is hard

alBHAGDADI:
To claim Islam is to deny Christianity.

And there is a lot bad about that.

yes, this is basics you are getting wrong.
You are not a christian for anybody to be inspired or know who you are.

Yes, it is good to inspire people
,
But the truth is,
You are a christian for Christ.
Jesus Christ knows his own, he bears witness in his spirit that you have the spirit of God which makes you a christian, he does not need any human evidence or until you proclaiming or denying christianity to people before he judges to know your stand whether you are his own or not.
he deals with exactly what is in your heart, not what you say out for people to hear.
I will prove all these things scripturally.

CuteMadridista:
I thought Leah Sheribu would be out of captivity by now due to the many prayers that have been prayed by our Christians on her situation as Jesus made it clear that a little faith can move mountains, let's see those verses


Jesus answered and said to them, “Truly I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, `Be taken up and cast into the sea,’ it will happen. “And all things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive.” (Matthew 21:21-22)

Jesus also reiterated it again

Again I say to you, that if two of you agree on earth about anything that they may ask, it shall be done for them by My Father who is in heaven. For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst. (Matthew 18:19-20)

and again

Amen, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, ‘Be lifted up and thrown into the sea,’ and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it shall be done for him. Therefore I tell you, all that you ask for in prayer, believe that you will receive it and it shall be yours. (Mark 11:24-25)

and again

And whatever you ask in my name, I will do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask anything of me in my name, I will do it. (John 14:13-14)

and again

(Matthew 17:20 For truly, I say to you, if you have faith as a grain of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible to you.) then whatever you ask for in prayer will be granted, there are obviously only a few options available.

if the above verses were true, there are obviously only a few options available for Christians to chose after their prayers has done nothing to remove the girl from captivity:

1) the Bible is wrong, Jesus never said these things

2) the Bible is right, Jesus said these things but Jesus was wrong

3) the Bible is right, Jesus said these things but Jesus lied

4) no one who prayed for anything that actually required god's intervention - like our Christians do for Leah Sheribu- had any faith

5) the Bible is just a collection of myths & fables & Yahweh, Jesus, Holy Spirit, Satan doesn't exist

Remember the account of the ffg:

John the Baptist

Stephen

Paul

Peter

They all died a martyr

To die in Christ is gain

kastroud:
firstly I would like to note that the minuter there is something like intelligent Christianity that is the same time I would stop being a Christian. Christianity is not about being intelligent if it was so don't u think Christ could have used intelligence to escape the people that wanted to kill him rather than die on the cross the truth is that there is no intelligence in Christianity if not we would not have had martyrs. the girl did a very brave thing and if u have not been inspired by her then I have I'll leave it like that.

you are very wrong here o,
You don't compare Christ and his mission on earth to human lives there is no correlation there.
Christ came on earth strictly to die and bring salvation.
Humans were not meant to die to save mankind like Jesus. But inspite of that, i think Christ is the most intelligent human that has ever lived on earth before he was crucified, read the gospels.
Humans were created in the image of and intelligent God and his likeness from the beginning to subdue the earth, read Genesis.
Now, it takes intelligence or education to subdue the earth, so if you are not intelligent or educated, you only have eternal life which Christ has given to you for free, but that life will be waste, cos you are not intelligently using it.
You will just die for nothing.
A scripture says my people perish because they lack knowledge.

So i will adjourn you to take school seriously if you want to live a successful christian life on this earth

ollah2:
Sensible comment from a Christian. Most of these folks shouting inspiration blah blah are bunch of phools who will just die like chickens with their holier than thou attitude even when they do extreme worse things.

God will surely forgive her because she did what was necessary for survival. But bunch of dead brains here are wallowing in ignorance

You see what I'm talking about?
Thanks my bro

Trustme2:
What if she still gets killed after denying Christianity or they may even have accident on the way while returning. She would have denied her faith and yet she eventually died

she has not denied her faith, she only tell them I have accepted Islam and denied christianity for her to get her life back, but deep inside her, she knows Christ is her savior and nothing can come into her heart and thought to change that, not even death.
That is how to be wise.

I tell you, Joseph of arimathea secretly believe in his heart that Jesus was the Christ, yet he sat among the Pharisees pretending to be one of them.
Now, that is wisdom

paxonel:
Op, there are other ways Leah sharibu would have done it and set herself free from captivity and still remain a christian which would have been wiser than her inspiring christians who are observing the situation at the expense of her freedom and liberty.

Denying Islam in the presence of her captors who want her to change her faith to Islam for her freedom is not necessary.
The decision will never inspire christians in anyway, Though they can pretend to be inspired

I guess because she is still a child, she cannot think of any other way, so she remains in captivity(hopefully, God may touch her captors to release her)

An adult christian is not expected to be childish like that

Yes that's why most "Adult Christians" will never make heaven... read Luke 18: 16. We think we are wise as adults.
Do you know there was a case in Kaduna where Christians were ask to deny Christ so they might live? The moment they denied Christ they were all killed immediately... be wise. fear God first, man can only destroy the flesh, but God can destroy both flesh and the soul... by the way what's so exiting in this country that someone would really want to live for, if I have that opportunity I would gladly die and go to heaven, Nigeria is stage 1 he'll fire... May God deliver her from her captives in Jesus Name.

ollah2:
Pained?? You should be the one that should be ashamed of believing an inconsistent book.

The below picture came with this post of yours. I've seen Muslims use it a lot on Facebook thinking it gives them a better argument against Christianity, but it doesn't. They just don't understand what they quote. Now, let me explain it to you.

We all know the story of Moses and the burning Bush and we know it was God inside the Bush speaking to Moses. Even the Quran which plagiarized the Bible has the story as well. The Quran says Allah spoke from the burning bush. This means Allah took the form of a bush to speak to Moses. Why do Muslims now find it difficult to believe that God who took the form of a burning Bush will find it difficult to take on Human form? He Has done it before when He appeared to Abraham in Genesis 18. Abraham gave Him water to wash His feet and also food which he ate. Read the entire chapter to see all of that. Before that, He use to walk with Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden. So, becoming a man is not something too big for my God to do.

Now, the verses in the picture states that no man can die for the sins of another. That's hundred percent correct. But God can. That's why it was possible for Jesus Christ who was God in flesh. Had it been it was an ordinary man, He would have given up or fallen to the juicy temptations of satan. But He was God.

Do you now understand that you have misunderstood the verses below?

paxonel:
no doubt she is a daughter of her heavenly father, but may be if she had not been open up too much to her captors and conseal her real christian faith pretending to accept Islam, she would have been released alone side with others don't you think?

To human reason you are right...... but what gives the assurance that she will be released after conversion. She did the best.

alBHAGDADI:
The below picture came with this post of yours. I've seen Muslims use it a lot on Facebook thinking it gives them a better argument against Christianity, but it doesn't. They just don't understand what they quote. Now, let me explain it to you.

We all know the story of Moses and the burning Bush and we know it was God inside the Bush speaking to Moses. Even the Quran which plagiarized the Bible has the story as well. The Quran says Allah spoke from the burning bush. This means Allah took the form of a bush to speak to Moses. Why do Muslims now find it difficult to believe that God who took the form of a burning Bush will find it difficult to take on Human form? He Has done it before when He appeared to Abraham in Genesis 18. Abraham gave Him water to wash His feet and also food which he ate. Read the entire chapter to see all of that. Before that, He use to walk with Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden. So, becoming a man is not something too big for my God to do.

Now, the verses in the picture states that no man can die for the sins of another. That's hundred percent correct. But God can. That's why it was possible for Jesus Christ who was God in flesh. Had it been it was an ordinary man, He would have given up or fallen to the juicy temptations of satan. But He was God.

Do you now understand that you have misunderstood the verses below?

The bible is always MISUNSERSTOOD but not the quran

paxonel:
she has not denied her faith, she only tell them I have accepted Islam and denied christianity for her to get her life back, but deep inside her, she knows Christ is her savior and nothing can come into her heart and thought to change that, not even death.
That is how to be wise.

I tell you, Joseph of arimathea secretly believe in his heart that Jesus was the Christ, yet he sat among the Pharisees pretending to be one of them.
Now, that is wisdom

if thou shall confess with thy mouth... and believe in your heart....ROM 10:9

it goes together bro.

Whoever seeks to save his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life will preserve it. Luke 17:33

Then Jesus said to His disciples, “If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me. For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it. Matt. 16:24-25

Sir, are you sure you've given your life to Christ or you're just practicing the religion ?

these are words of Jesus, do you believe them or you think he must be stupid to have said that ?

Sincerely bro, You've not met Christ.
if you're really concern about your soul give it thought.

I know you will bash me, but you've gotten my message.

If you deny Him before men, He will deny you before his father.

Not all who calls me LORD, LORD will enter into my kingdom.

paxonel:
she has not denied her faith, she only tell them I have accepted Islam and denied christianity for her to get her life back, but deep inside her, she knows Christ is her savior and nothing can come into her heart and thought to change that, not even death.
That is how to be wise.

I tell you, Joseph of arimathea secretly believe in his heart that Jesus was the Christ, yet he sat among the Pharisees pretending to be one of them.
Now, that is wisdom

that's Islamic teachings... it's not christianity, with the mount confession is made unto salvation, it's not what goes into the mouth that defiles, it's what come out of the mouth, our words direct our live issues... our words are very important, why is denouncing Christ such a big deal, the devil knows the power of the tongue, it can do and undo on earth and in heaven... so Bros no be just talk... it's more than what you think... wisdom of God is far from man's wisdom, even me no fit understand completely...

ollah2:
The bible is always MISUNSERSTOOD but not the quran

Everytime the Bible is misquoted by a Muslim on Nairaland, you immediately find a Christi8an explain it to everyone's understanding. But when the Quran is quoted the exact way it is to be understood, you Muslims claim one can't understand it yet you say Allah made quran easy to understand. You immediately start referring one to links of long articles written by islamic scholars. You mean one can't understand quran without Islamic scholars?

Now, explain this verse to us without referring us to Islaic scholars and their Taqiyya.

Sahih Bukhari (52:260) - "...The Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "

stevenakp:
if thou shall confess with thy mouth... and believe in your heart....ROM 10:9

it goes together bro.

Whoever seeks to save his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life will preserve it. Luke 17:33

Then Jesus said to His disciples, “If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me. For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it. Matt. 16:24-25

Sir, are you sure you've given your life to Christ or you're just practicing the religion ?

these are words of Jesus, do you believe them or you think he must be stupid to have said that ?

Sincerely bro, You've not met Christ.
if you're really concern about your soul give it thought.

I know you will bash me, but you've gotten my message.

If you deny Him before men, He will deny you before his father.

Not all who calls me LORD, LORD will enter into my kingdom.

Pls, don't waste your time on that guy cos he's not Christian at all. He's one of those occult people who have been sent to deceive people on social media. Look at the way he's been putting heads together with Muslims against the tonnes of Christian verses that have been quoted to prove him wrong.

alBHAGDADI:
Everytime the Bible is misquoted by a Muslim on Nairaland, you immediately find a Christi8an explain it to everyone's understanding. But when the Quran is quoted the exact way it is to be understood, you Muslims claim one can't understand it yet you say Allah made quran easy to understand. You immediately start referring one to links of long articles written by islamic scholars. You mean one can't understand quran without Islamic scholars?

Now, explain this verse to us without referring us to Islaic scholars and their Taqiyya.

Sahih Bukhari (52:260) - "...The Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "

You see how hypocritical and sentimental you are with the emboldened. The Quran is quoted the way it should but the Bible is always wrongly quoted.

Now, explain this verse to us

Deuteronomy 13:6-9 "If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying: Let us go and worship other gods (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other, or gods of other religions), do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people."

Deuteronomy 17:3-5 "And he should go and worship other gods and bow down to them or to the sun or the moon or all the army of the heavens, .....and you must stone such one with stones and such one must die."

paxonel:
yes, this is basics you are getting wrong.
You are not a christian for anybody to be inspired or know who you are.

Yes, it is good to inspire people
,
But the truth is,
You are a christian for Christ.
Jesus Christ knows his own, he bears witness in his spirit that you have the spirit of God which makes you a christian, he does not need any human evidence or until you proclaiming or denying christianity to people before he judges to know your stand whether you are his own or not.
he deals with exactly what is in your heart, not what you say out for people to hear.
I will prove all these things scripturally.

you're bringing Islam into Christianity, they're two wide worlds apart, it's impossible to stand in between.
This is the most confusing statement I've ever heard...
a Muslim is permitted to deny Islam provided his heart doesn't deny it... but it's not so for a Christian it's such a big deal, whenever such test comes up heaven and hell will be in attention to see if that Christian can bow or not, there so much involved...

ollah2:
You see how hypocritical and sentimental you are with the emboldened. The Quran is quoted the way it should but the Bible is always wrongly quoted.

Now, explain this verse to us

Deuteronomy 13:6-9 "If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying: Let us go and worship other gods (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other, or gods of other religions), do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people."

Deuteronomy 17:3-5 "And he should go and worship other gods and bow down to them or to the sun or the moon or all the army of the heavens, .....and you must stone such one with stones and such one must die."

WOW!

You didn't even address my post, you just rushed to misquote the Bible again. Well, I will explain those verses for you.

Israel was a nation that God was using to reach out to the rest of the World. He had to keep them pure while the rest of the world were under satan's grip. That was why Moses gave those Laws which were the national Laws of the land of Israel just as Nigeria has its own. Many of such laws states that an eye for an eye, which means you can take revenge for whatever anyone does to you. But the law was weak and temporary, that's why Moses and all the other prophets always spoke of a perfection to come which is Jesus.

When Jesus came, what happened? Such laws started losing their value. That woman accused of adultery who ought to have been stoned was set free by Jesus. He made them see that they are sinful too and should be a judge. He went on to preach forgiveness of those that offend you instead of the an eye for an eye which Moses passed as law. Imagine if you take revenge cos someone hurt you, what do you think will happen when you hurt someone too?

Those laws in the old testament have all been set aside cos they have lived their time. We are now in the era of grace, which means if you leave Christianity, we will not kill you but pray for you to come back. Or have you seen Christians kill apostates before?


Now, can you kindly explain this quran verse for us?

Sahih Bukhari (52:260) - "...The Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "

xerxes456:
you're bringing Islam into Christianity, they're two wide worlds apart, it's impossible to stand in between.
This is the most confusing statement I've ever heard...
a Muslim is permitted to deny Islam provided his heart doesn't deny it... but it's not so for a Christian it's such a big deal, whenever such test comes up heaven and hell will be in attention to see if that Christian can bow or not, there so much involved...

How is it permitted to deny Islam? You guy just write from you annus

alBHAGDADI:
WOW!

You didn't even address my post, you just rushed to misquote the Bible again. Well, I will explain those verses for you.

Israel was a nation that God was using to reach out to the rest of the World. He had to keep them pure while the rest of the world were under satan's grip. That was why Moses gave those Laws which were the national Laws of the land of Israel just as Nigeria has its own. Many of such laws states that an eye for an eye, which means you can take revenge for whatever anyone does to you. But the law was weak and temporary, that's why Moses and all the other prophets always spoke of a perfection to come which is Jesus.

When Jesus came, what happened? Such laws started losing their value. That woman accused of adultery who ought to have been stoned was set free by Jesus. He made them see that they are sinful too and should be a judge. He went on to preach forgiveness of those that offend you instead of the an eye for an eye which Moses passed as law. Imagine if you take revenge cos someone hurt you, what do you think will happen when you hurt someone too?

Those laws in the old testament have all been set aside cos they have lived their time. We are now in the era of grace, which means if you leave Christianity, we will not kill you but pray for you to come back. Or have you seen Christians kill apostates before?


Now, can you kindly explain this quran verse for us?

Sahih Bukhari (52:260) - "...The Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "

Is those laws have been set aside,

Why do you still quote proverbs, Isaiah, Malachi, Pslam, Deuteronomy et al?

ollah2:
How is it permitted to deny Islam? You guy just write from you annus

Look at it below

Quran 16:106
Whoever disbelieves in Allah after his belief... except for one who is forced [to renounce his religion] while his heart is secure in faith. But those who [willingly] open their breasts to disbelief, upon them is wrath from Allah, and for them is a great punishment;

ollah2:
Is those laws have been set aside,

Why do you still quote proverbs, Isaiah, Malachi, Pslam, Deuteronomy et al?

Are you an illiterate?

The laws of Moses are not the Old testament. They are just a fragment of it. The old testament contains stories of events before the time of Jesus Christ. If we discard it, how can we now know what happened before?

Pls, understand before you comment. By the way, you have failed to counter my arguments. I guess you have accepted defeat. If not, then explain the quran verse.

alBHAGDADI:
Look at it below

Quran 16:106
Whoever disbelieves in Allah after his belief... except for one who is forced [to renounce his religion] while his heart is secure in faith. But those who [willingly] open their breasts to disbelief, upon them is wrath from Allah, and for them is a great punishment;

I knpw how you turned a blind eye to the link I pasted before


https://discover-the-truth.com/2015/01/23/quran-16106-except-for-one-who-is-forced-deceiving-disbelievers/

You want people to believe your own nonsense explanation but his doesn't make sense. Aren't you a bigot already

ollah2:
You see how hypocritical and sentimental you are with the emboldened. The Quran is quoted the way it should but the Bible is always wrongly quoted.

Now, explain this verse to us

Deuteronomy 13:6-9 "If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying: Let us go and worship other gods (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other, or gods of other religions), do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people."

Deuteronomy 17:3-5 "And he should go and worship other gods and bow down to them or to the sun or the moon or all the army of the heavens, .....and you must stone such one with stones and such one must die."

let me just take some time to highlight somethings for you per adventure you'll understand.

1. The Bible is not just a book of instructions, it's a story time line of events, withing these events God shows how he dealt with people withing those timeliness.

2. The major time line division is the Old and New Testaments, the world Testament is like a compendium of testimonies, or what we can refer today as " documentaries".

3. The Old Testament has old principles and practices and in our time such practices are still adhered to buy core Jews (they can be called the Judaist etc) but there's so much lessons to be learned from the old Testament.

4. The New Testament talks more about Jesus Christ his birth, Death and resurrection, his teachings and teachings of his Deciples, remember I talked of time lines, the new Testament is a different time line from the old testament

5. Finally Christians as the name implies "Small Christ" are followers of Jesus Christ and his teaching, we read the Old Testament and learn from them, but we follow Christ teaching in our daily lives.

Jesus Christ summarised the entire old Testament and came up with a better covenant, ( a better agreement between God and man, and a better way by which God is dealing with man) all those laws of the old Testaments were summarised to just one thing, LOVE... so all those passages you've been quoting are just lessons and not what we live by, it's just like showing people how 1950 cars were designed and driving a 2018 Mercedes.. Bros no b the same thing...

alBHAGDADI:
Are you an illiterate?

The laws of Moses are not the Old testament. They are just a fragment of it. The old testament contains stories of events before the time of Jesus Christ. If we discard it, how can we now know what happened before?

Pls, understand before you comment. By the way, you have failed to counter my arguments. I guess you have accepted defeat. If not, then explain the quran verse.

Pure nonsense as usual. The Bible is called Old Testament which entails everything. But a cherry picker is says some parts are old testament while some aren't.

What you wrote didn't come from the Quran.

This link explains it

https://islam.stackexchange.com/questions/10768/death-penalty-for-apostasy-according-to-quran

I know you won't read it because your mind is already filled with hate and bigotry

ollah2:
I knpw how you turned a blind eye to the link I pasted before


https://discover-the-truth.com/2015/01/23/quran-16106-except-for-one-who-is-forced-deceiving-disbelievers/

You want people to believe your own nonsense explanation but his doesn't make sense. Aren't you a bigot already

You keep referring me to a link written by a Taqiyya master. Can't you explain the verse yourself?

xerxes456:
let me just take some time to highlight somethings for you per adventure you'll understand.

1. The Bible is not just a book of instructions, it's a story time line of events, withing these events God shows how he dealt with people withing those timeliness.

2. The major time line division is the Old and New Testaments, the world Testament is like a compendium of testimonies, or what we can refer today as " documentaries".

3. The Old Testament has old principles and practices and in our time such practices are still adhered to buy core Jews (they can be called the Judaist etc) but there's so much lessons to be learned from the old Testament.

4. The New Testament talks more about Jesus Christ his birth, Death and resurrection, his teachings and teachings of his Deciples, remember I talked of time lines, the new Testament is a different time line from the old testament

5. Finally Christians as the name implies "Small Christ" are followers of Jesus Christ and his teaching, we read the Old Testament and learn from them, but we follow Christ teaching in our daily lives.

Jesus Christ summarised the entire old Testament and came up with a better covenant, ( a better agreement between God and man, and a better way by which God is dealing with man) all those laws of the old Testaments were summarised to just one thing, LOVE... so all those passages you've been quoting are just lessons and not what we live by, it's just like showing people how 1950 cars were designed and driving a 2018 Mercedes.. Bros no b the same thing...

Usual nonsense. Isn't the Quran also a book of events that happened and stories et al?

You find a way to exonerate the Bible but same logic can't be used for the Quran.

Bigotry and hypocrisy at its peak

alBHAGDADI:


You keep referring me to a link written by a Taqiyya master. Can't you explain the verse yourself?

Of course Taqiyya master.

ollah2:
Pure nonsense as usual. The Bible is called Old Testament which entails everything. But a cherry picker is says some parts are old testament while some aren't.

What you wrote didn't come from the Quran.

This link explains it

https://islam.stackexchange.com/questions/10768/death-penalty-for-apostasy-according-to-quran

I know you won't read it because your mind is already filled with hate and bigotry

You are sending me to another link

ollah2:
Usual nonsense. Isn't the Quran also a book of events that happened and stories et al?

You find a way to exonerate the Bible but same logic can't be used for the Quran.

Bigotry and hypocrisy at its peak

What are the events that led to allah commanding you to kill me for not believing in muhammad? Pls, quote the quran let's see.