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xaggar:
Until your pastors raise the dead then I'll believe the power to do miracles isn't a foregone thing. After all, the apostles did raise the dead.

Riofidelio:
After bathing and clothing, you can't differentiate a competent man from a madman because both of them has knowledge which is simply "the accumulation of useful informations" each will speak a unique language,say things that we're familiar with and make comparisons of the things with their brains e.g both of them can identify a dog. But when it comes to WISDOM which is "practical applications of accumulated information for lasting benefits" that's when both will be made manifest! Because while the adequately competent and completely equipped man is applying his acquired info for lasting benefits the madman only keeps talking as in downloading the acquired info without any benefits!

Riofidelio:
So then can you please explain what Jesus meant with His statement in Matthew 10:22? Because it's as if He's referring to a specific group.Moreover Jesus' followers did all they can to reach people with the good news, today we're printing out magazines to help those who don't have time to discuss but to read. Praise Jehovah! Before we were asked to demand for something to continue the printing but today! today!! today!!! Jesus has fulfilled His promises to US so that we're to give you FREE these printed publications,therefore your accusations that it's a business venture Jesus has nullified! Please let's teach you how to do the Lord's work with adequacy, it's not gonna cost you anything not even one naira!

Riofidelio:
If you want to know the truth then you must search through many translations of the Bible. Proverbs 2:4 The translators have special interest in helping people to understand God's word but unfortunately most of them aren't guided by the Holy Spirit unlike the Bible writers! Satan is another Chief Enemy of God's people,his main target is to confuse people either through his agents or "directly talking to people" so to gain insight you must be willing to dig deep by comparing different versions of the Bible,not depending on strange voices because Satan can talk and claim that he is Jesus! God stopped talking to people or giving them visions and signs immediately the Bible was completed. Revelations 22:18 means "no addition and no subtraction" It's the love you have for God that's going to help you but God's Holy Spirit will only guide you to locate texts that will make understand God's purpose! The evidence of the Holy Spirit is when you're able to relate all the Bible verses without discarding any as invalid, moreover you'll meet others who also dedicated their lives to the same course and you'll notice how their conduct turns out, then those who have the same Faith must pursue the nine qualities of the Holy Spirit. Galatians 5:22/23 You'll connect with them across the globe and together you'll form a global family of evangelisers encouraging one another as the day of God's vengeance draws near!

brocab:
Yes Jesus is talking about a special group of people-He said those who believe in Him shall be saved: which means follow His Word.
{John 14:23}Jesus replied, "Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them.
Now test yourselves, do the JW's believe the Word is God? {John 1:1}

Riofidelio:
Of course! What we're trying to tell you is that the Bible was translated into English and it's the translators that rendered other people's God with small letters. During the time when all these books were originally written by the writers all deities are rendered the same way, it's the names that distinguish them not capital or small letters! Please don't think that Pharaoh realize that his own is gods yet challenging God or Goliath knew that his own is smaller or do you think Romans refers to Jupiter as god? When John wrote those words in Greek he rendered it in the way Greeks would call God so "in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God" it's the translators that differentiate it in small letters! So anywhere in the Bible where you see the word God or god it's the translators not the original Bible writers!

brocab:
What I am telling you, people can't just translated the bible-unless they are Spirit filled believers.
You Just can't translate something without the understanding: People like the JW's have tried, and look at their doctrine they twisted the bible so much they don't even believe in it.
This is why you have turned your translation to the KJ's version, you don't support the NWT bible. Why" because it tells us Jesus Christ is God..

solite3:
Jesus said belivers should be witness of him not Jehovah witness.
D early apostles and believers never identified themselves as jehovah witnesses but peopls called then Christians.
Jehovah witness waa established by taze rusell, a 33' freemason. A freemason is a foot soldier of lucifer.
Jehovah witness just like catholism and other false religion was established to destroy christianity.

brocab:
What I am telling you, people can't just translated the bible-unless they are Spirit filled believers.
You Just can't translate something without the understanding: People like the JW's have tried, and look at their doctrine they twisted the bible so much they don't even believe in it.
This is why you have turned your translation to the KJ's version, you don't support the NWT bible. Why" because it tells us Jesus Christ is God..

Riofidelio:
So Jesus was God just like Moses(Exodus 7:1) that's why He never called Himself God because someone greater than Him appointed Him in that office and He will later surrender to that person.(1Corinthians 15:25-27) The only difference between Him and Moses is that He(Jesus) is one of God's mighty Spirit Sons in heaven before been transformed into the womb of His mother. There are many Spirit beings God refers to as Sons. Genesis 6:1,Job 1:6 When Isaiah referred to Jesus as "mighty God"(Isaiah 9:6) He meant one of God's mighty Spirit Sons (Psalm 82:1) Of course Jesus differs from Jehovah "the ALMIGHTY GOD" Exodus 6:2/3.

Riofidelio:
You need to know how those early translators killed people for trying to verify if what their translations wasn't contaminated! They publicly executed people who tries to own a Bible and made James an English King to enforce a law that their Bible translation must not be investigated. That's why it's called the "King James Authorised Version" Please their are many who have laid down their lives for you and me to get an accurate undiluted translation of the Bible. So if you truly want to know the truth then you must make a thorough research and a careful study of many translations otherwise you'll just be fighting for the translators who were trying to hide the truth from you!

Riofidelio:
brocab, solite3 It's the writers that were directed by the Holy Spirit but as for translators, many of them didn't want the Bible to be translated at all! They want it to remain in a lost foregone dialect called Latin, after the first 39 books Genesis~Malachi was written in Hebrew and partly Aramaic called "Old Testament" The Apostles wrote their own inspired words in Greek 27 books Matthew~Revelations called "New Testament" then the whole 66 books were translated to Greek called "the Septuagint" as most people then were speaking Greek because Greece rules the world prior to the Roman Empire. Later when Romans became Christians the 66 books were translated to Latin the Roman language. But as these languages are dying of the the Roman Catholic Church refused to allow the Bible to be translated into other common languages.That's what led to the killings of those who wanted the Bible to be read by common people until James became King in England after the fall of the Roman Empire to England in fact that's why the Church was divided and the Anglo~Catholic Church was formed! So the Church fathers wanted to maintain many dogmas so that's why they influenced the translation and tricked James to make a decree that no other English translations be made! Please go and find out for yourselves if what i'm telling you is not so from the encyclopedia Britannica! Bible writers were truly inspired but as for the translators, they made lots and lots of costly blunders!

brocab:
Jesus didn't have to call Himself God, every body said it for Him.
Here is some of the Bible Verses that say “Jesus is God”
{Matthew 1:23} - “Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which is translated, “God with us.”
{Isaiah 9:6} For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
{Isaiah 43:10,11} “You are My witnesses,” says the Lord, “And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the Lord, and besides Me there is no Savior.”
{Revelation 1:17-18; Revelation 2:8} (Jesus is the First and the Last)
{Isaiah 44:6}(God is the Redeemer)
{2 Peter 1:1} (Jesus is the Redeemer) “To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ”
{Isaiah 44:24}(God created the world by Himself alone)
{John 1:3; Colossians 1:16}(Jesus made all things)
{John 1:1-3} In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made... {1:14}- And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us,
{John 5:17,18} “My Father has been working until now, and I have been working.” Therefore the Jews sought to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.
{John 5:23} that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.
{John 8:24} “Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I AM [He], you will die in your sins.”
{John 8:58} Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
{John 10:30-33} Jesus answered them, “I and My Father are one.” Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?” The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”
{John 14:6-7} Jesus said to him, “I AM the way, the truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.”
{John 14:9-11} Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?”
{John 20:28} And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”
{Acts 4:12} “Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”
{Acts 20:28} (God purchased us with His own blood)
{Revelation 1:5-6; Revelation 5:8-9} (Jesus' blood purchased us)
{Philippians 2:5-7} Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bond-servant, and coming in the likeness of men.
{Colossians 2:9} For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily
{1 Timothy 3:16} And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.
{Titus 2:13} looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ
{Hebrews 1:8-9} But to the Son He says: “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You with the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
{2 John 1:7} For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
{Revelation 1:8} “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”
{Revelation 22:13} “I AM the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.”... {22:16} “I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches.”
{1 Timothy 6:14-16} “our Lord Jesus Christ's appearing, which He will manifest in His own time, He who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings and Lord of lords, who alone has immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see, to whom be honor and everlasting power. Amen.”
{Hebrews 2:17-18} “Therefore, in all things He had to be made like His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people. For in that He Himself has suffered, being tempted, He is able to aid those who are tempted.”
{Hebrews 4:15-16} “For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin. Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need.”
{1 Peter 2:24} “who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we having died to sins, might live for righteousness - by whose stripes you were healed.”
He went from sovereignty to shame and from deity to death? Why!? For you.
{John 15:13} “Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one's life for his friends.”
{Romans 5:8} “But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.”
I have kept this for last, that even the JW's believe Jesus is God: and it is written in the NWT JW's bible, to prove the facts. {Revelation 4:8} And continuously, day and night, they say: "Holy holy holy is Jehovah God, the Almighty, who was, and who is, and who is coming," {Revelation 22:20} The one who bears witness of these things, says "Yes I am coming quickly: Amen! Come Lord Jesus."

brocab:
There are also external evidences that indicate the Bible is truly the Word of God.
One is the historicity of the Bible. Because the Bible details historical events, its truthfulness and accuracy are subject to verification like any other historical document.
Through both archaeological evidences and other writings, the historical accounts of the Bible have been proven time and time again to be accurate and true.
In fact, all the archaeological and manuscript evidence supporting the Bible makes it the best-documented book from the ancient world.
The fact that the Bible accurately and truthfully records historically verifiable events is a great indication of its truthfulness when dealing with religious subjects and doctrines and helps substantiate its claim to be the very Word of God.
Another external evidence that the Bible is truly God’s Word is the integrity of its human authors.
As mentioned earlier, God used men from many walks of life to record His words.
In studying the lives of these men, we find them to be honest and sincere.
The fact that they were willing to die often excruciating deaths for what they believed testifies that these ordinary yet honest men truly believed God had spoken to them.
The men who wrote the New Testament and many hundreds of other believers (1 Corinthians 15:6) knew the truth of their message because they had seen and spent time with Jesus Christ after He had risen from the dead.
Seeing the risen Christ had a tremendous impact on them, they went from hiding in fear to being willing to die for the message God had revealed to them, their lives and deaths testify to the fact that the Bible truly is God’s Word.

Riofidelio:
All what you're saying is based on the TRINITY doctrine fabricated by the Roman Catholic Church but i believe nobody could best understand Jesus more than His first century disciples, when there was confusion as to who Jesus is. Jesus inquire from His disciples what people were saying about Him,after so many contrary opinions Peters answered saying "You're the Christ, the Son of the living God" Matthew 16:13-20 Jesus never corrected that impression but commended Peter saying He will build His Church on that foundation and throughout their writings none of them referred to Jesus as "God the Son" but as He confirmed "God's Son" That's what JWs preach and teach. Though i realize many of you are just calling Him Lord but don't know what actually can make Him your Lord apart from merely saying it as a slogan!

Riofidelio:
We've promoted your column enough so you need to see how many comments you'll get now from those whom you're calling Christians claiming that Trinity teaching like you and see if they have any interest in spiritual things apart from JWs that you're trying to argue with, Arios!

Riofidelio:
Thank you for quoting the scriptures! Jesus said we're going to be witnesses of Him because Israelites already claims to be Jehovah's witnesses according to what God said in Isaiah 43:10-12 but they're not ready to follow Jesus the faithful witness of Jehovah. Revelation 1:5 whose name alone can save all mankind so it's appropriate for Jesus to say His followers shall be witnesses of Him. But right from Abel and all faithful servants of God including Jesus are all Jehovah's witnesses! Hebrews 11:4-23/12:1 Charles Taze Russell died 1919 so he has slept in death before Jehovah directed US to take up that divine name for those practicing pure worship In 1935!

Riofidelio:
Thank you for quoting the scriptures! Jesus said we're going to be witnesses of Him because Israelites already claims to be Jehovah's witnesses according to what God said in Isaiah 43:10-12 but they're not ready to follow Jesus the faithful witness of Jehovah. Revelation 1:5 whose name alone can save all mankind so it's appropriate for Jesus to say His followers shall be witnesses of Him. But right from Abel and all faithful servants of God including Jesus are all Jehovah's witnesses! Hebrews 11:4-23/12:1 Charles Taze Russell died 1919 so he has slept in death before Jehovah directed US to take up that divine name for those practicing pure worship In 1935!

Hairyrapunzel:
So your jehovah was confused from 1874 till 1935 when he decided to take on his own name? He had to wait 60 years before revealing his divine name to his followers? You god has the most pathetic history of all gods. He is the most confused and pathetic god I have ever come across.

solite3:
Jesus said Christians are his witness. The name Jehovah was unknown to to Abel or Abraham, Jesus never mentioned that name except when reading scripture.
Most of your doctrinea were created by Rusell, you said Jehovah directed your council to change its name well thats a lie. It was because of many failed prophecy by your organization.
How ever can Jehovah go against his Son when his Son said we should witness for him ?


Deuteronomy 13:1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,

13:2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;

13:3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.


Jehovah God cannot change his word

Psalms 119:89 For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven.

brocab:
So you preach Catholic doctrines.
{John 20:28} Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!"
The disciples spent time with Jesus, Jesus said; to Thomas you have believed because you have seen Me, but bless are those who haven't seen "Me" and believed.
I have given many verses, to say Jesus is God: and still you deny the truth. I have even given you, your bible: and still you disbelieve in that too.
It is a proven fact-verbally you deny your bible-but unfortunately the Watchtower had agreed upon this in the NWT JW's bible, {Revelation 4:8} And continuously, day and night, they say: "Holy holy holy is Jehovah God, the Almighty, who was, and who is, and who is coming," {Revelation 22:20} The one who bears witness of these things, says "Yes I am coming quickly: Amen! Come Lord Jesus."
But you disbelieve..

Hairyrapunzel:
So your jehovah was confused from 1874 till 1935 when he decided to take on his own name? He had to wait 60 years before revealing his divine name to his followers? You god has the most pathetic history of all gods. He is the most confused and pathetic god I have ever come across.

Hairyrapunzel:
Jesus said so. I follow Jesus words I don't follow governing body's words.
If you have decided to follow and obey 8 old men who reside in new York because they told you to do so good for you. Don't come here to threaten us that Jesus will destroy us for not following them.

By the way Jesus Christ said his followers will heal the sick, cast out demons and raise the dead. You can't change that fact. E dey bible.

Show me where Jesus Christ said its only his first century followers that will perform Miracles or performing miracles had two purposes
I know you don't have any bible verse. It's just your governing body non biblical assumptions you are trying to force people to accept.
I ain't so gullible. My belief is straight up from the Bible while yours is from magazines published in new York.

Riofidelio:
What do you expect from someone who have the ACCURATE knowledge of the scriptures? I've told you that Jesus is God and that the translators are those that's confusing you! The title God was severally used in many occasions but the original writers never distinguish by capital letters. Thomas said he'll never believe that Jesus had risen until verification and after seeing with his eyes he shouted "my Lord and my God!" Thomas never believe that Jesus is the almighty God, he only shouted due to been overwhelmed with amazement.Stephen saw the heavens opened and saw two persons Jehovah and Jesus sitting by HIS right hand, Jesus Himself said you must know two persons.John 17:3 And in Revelations talked about Jehovah and HIS faithful witness Jesus. Reve 1:5 What we're never going to agree or accept is that pagan TRINITY because there's nowhere in the Bible you'll find it moreover Jesus confirmed that Jehovah our God is "one Jehovah" Mark 12:29

brocab:
{John 20:28} Thomas believed after he seen the evidence, My Lord and my God-had you noticed Thomas used the larger "M and L" letters, when speaking to Jesus..
Keep on believing in the truth, and the truth will set you free.
Trinity name isn't written in the bible, but since you believe in the many scriptures from different bibles that Jesus is God-then what more can I say..

Riofidelio:
Please to avoid God's anger,try writing the divine name properly. I know you're confused by the works of the translators but even those translators respected the divine name by starting with a capital letter. If Nairaland Forum accepted your profile name in small letters i'm sure you'll never agree officially for your real name to be written starting with a small letter,so correct it by simple editing or modifying. If you're annoyed at me i fully understand why but never allow your annoyance to make you insult God's divine name that's boldly written starting with capital letters even in your KJV's translation! Exodus 6:3,Psalm 83:18,Isaiah 12:2,26:4, If you can't find the divine name in your translation please check in the index or footnotes instead of arguing with those that even your so called pastors can't stand to debate on God's word! Isaiah 54:17

brocab:
Sadly the divine name wasn't Jehovah.
In the Hebrew Scriptures, the name of God is recorded as YHWH. So, where did the name “Jehovah” come from?
Ancient Hebrew did not use vowels in its written form. The vowels were pronounced in spoken Hebrew but were not recorded in written Hebrew.
The appropriate vowel sounds of words were passed down orally. As a result, when ancient Hebrew is studied, scholars and linguists often do not know with absolute confidence how certain Hebrew words were pronounced.
This particularly becomes an issue when studying the Hebrew name of God, written in the Hebrew Scriptures as YHWH, also known as the tetragrammaton. Despite much study and debate, it is still not universally agreed upon how the Hebrew name for God YHWH was pronounced.
Some prefer “Yahweh” (YAH-way); others prefer “Yehowah,” “Yahuweh,” or “Yahawah”; still others argue for “Jehovah.”
As you can see, virtually everything is up for debate.
Should YHWH be pronounced with three syllables or two? Should the vowels be borrowed from Elohim or Adonai?
Should the W be pronounced with more of a W sound or more of a V sound? It is not the purpose of this article to settle the debate. Rather, it is the purpose of this article to discuss the use of “Jehovah.”

The vast majority of Jewish and Christian biblical scholars and linguists do not believe “Jehovah” to be the proper pronunciation of YHWH.
There was no true J sound in ancient Hebrew. Even the Hebrew letter vav, which is transliterated as the W in YHWH is said to have originally had a pronunciation closer to W than the V of Jehovah.
Jehovah is essentially a Germanic pronunciation of the Latinized transliteration of the Hebrew YHWH. It is the letters of the tetragrammaton, Latinized into JHVH, with vowels inserted. “Yahweh” or “Yehowah” is far more likely to be the correct pronunciation.

The form Jehovah, though, is very commonly used. It is used in the King James Version of the Bible {Genesis 22:14; Exodus 6:3; 17:15; Judges 6:24; Psalm 83:18; Isaiah 12:2; 26:4}
It is also used, and strenuously promoted by, the Jehovah’s Witnesses. The Jehovah’s Witnesses emphasize the use of Jehovah to the extent that any other name or title for God is viewed as borderline idolatry or outright heresy.
With all of that said, it is not crucial to the Christian faith for the proper pronunciation of YHWH to be known. Both the Old and New Testaments, inspired by God, use generic terms for “God” and “Lord,” including El, Elohim, and Adonai (Hebrew); and Theos and Kurios (Greek). If the authors of Scripture, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, were allowed to use these terms, it is not wrong for us to refer to Him as “God” or “Lord,” either.
In conclusion, it is highly unlikely that “Jehovah” is the correct pronunciation of YHWH. Further, it is far more important to know God through faith in Jesus Christ, than it is to know the correct pronunciation of His name in Hebrew.
Actually I thought Riofidelio you were the one to search the scriptures, before posting your man made literature on this page-so I hope this gives you some deep insight, and before you decide to write about anything find the information on the topic first.

Riofidelio:
Thank you and may God bless you, yes Jesus was God just as Moses was God! Exodus 7:1