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| Re: The Igbo Nation Should Forget The Politics Of Nigeria And Focus On Independence by horsepower101: 8:38pm On Apr 11, 2018 |
Jamnocase:Good point.. |
| Re: The Igbo Nation Should Forget The Politics Of Nigeria And Focus On Independence by horsepower101: 8:42pm On Apr 11, 2018 |
Dtribeless:Very Wrong about properties. Igbos who identify with the new country will become foreigners in Nigeria and will be foreign investors just like other foreigners that own houses and businesses in Nigeria today. There is no difference but I have this feeling that blind hatred towards igbos will create double standards. |
| Re: The Igbo Nation Should Forget The Politics Of Nigeria And Focus On Independence by Daewang: 8:48pm On Apr 11, 2018 |
Nonaira3:My brother the way these people reason like animals always baffles me. I always wonder what their IQ level may be. |
| Re: The Igbo Nation Should Forget The Politics Of Nigeria And Focus On Independence by Nonaira3: 8:50pm On Apr 11, 2018 |
Roger3D:See question from a supposed grown man. Although there's no common definition of "people" thus far according to the UN. According to research, the Criteria for the definition of "people having the right of self-determination" was proposed during 2010 Kosovo case decision of the International Court of Justice: 1. traditions and culture 2. ethnicity 3. historical ties and heritage 4. language 5. religion 6. sense of identity or kinship 7. the will to constitute a people 8. common suffering. All of which Igbos fall under |
| Re: The Igbo Nation Should Forget The Politics Of Nigeria And Focus On Independence by Nonaira3: 8:55pm On Apr 11, 2018 |
Daewang:I do too honestly |
| Re: The Igbo Nation Should Forget The Politics Of Nigeria And Focus On Independence by Roger3D(m): 9:06pm On Apr 11, 2018 |
Nonaira3:I will need to see the original judgement first |
| Re: The Igbo Nation Should Forget The Politics Of Nigeria And Focus On Independence by Shugavee(f): 9:29pm On Apr 11, 2018 |
neezar:saw the comment n laughed.... he doesn't know what he is talking about!!! Even if they indeed lose, there is always room for innovation n improvement!! Igbo people r very well known 4 that!! |
| Re: The Igbo Nation Should Forget The Politics Of Nigeria And Focus On Independence by neezar: 9:31pm On Apr 11, 2018 |
Shugavee:Igbos can survive anywhere, just make the place to be hospitable for them |
| Re: The Igbo Nation Should Forget The Politics Of Nigeria And Focus On Independence by HiddenShadow: 9:40pm On Apr 11, 2018 |
igbodefendercom:Which kind nonsense talk be this naaa ![]() Is Nigeria better than Switzerland.? |
| Re: The Igbo Nation Should Forget The Politics Of Nigeria And Focus On Independence by HiddenShadow: 9:49pm On Apr 11, 2018 |
horsepower101:Yes, by talking less and preparing more. Think deep about my words |
| Re: The Igbo Nation Should Forget The Politics Of Nigeria And Focus On Independence by Preshy561(f): 9:53pm On Apr 11, 2018 |
true,I can't even vote in this shitthole.not even for father,till the sun set forth at dawn. |
| Re: The Igbo Nation Should Forget The Politics Of Nigeria And Focus On Independence by Nonaira3: 10:00pm On Apr 11, 2018 |
Roger3D:why the heck are you telling me that. If you want to read the original judgement then either 1.) google the case the statement mentioned or 2.) Seek the UN self determination page on Wikipedia, go down to area writing for defining people, go directly to the statement written, click their reference and read. It's just that simple. |
| Re: The Igbo Nation Should Forget The Politics Of Nigeria And Focus On Independence by Roger3D(m): 10:19pm On Apr 11, 2018 |
Nonaira3:Paste a credible link of the entire judgement so I can study it in full, don't pick out sections of it that supposedly buttress your position. You accused me of being illiterate, oya prove your position |
| Re: The Igbo Nation Should Forget The Politics Of Nigeria And Focus On Independence by Hotfreeze: 10:20pm On Apr 11, 2018 |
Preshy561:Wrong. Igbos should constitute itself into a powerful voting bloc capable of swinging results in a candidate's favour. Once that is done, Igbos have a more solid bargaining position to demand certain things. You see, the nonsense happening to Igbos in Nigeria would be extended to Igbos when they form Biafra. I think one major factor that would shape a lot of things is: on whose terms would Biafra be formed? If you look up to the miscreants in Nigeria to give you freedom, it would never come. Even if they grudgingly give you, it would come with ridiculously terrible conditions. Freedom is not granted on a platter of gold, you have to sweat and fight for it. Civil disobedience is the way to go. |
| Re: The Igbo Nation Should Forget The Politics Of Nigeria And Focus On Independence by Nobody: 10:25pm On Apr 11, 2018 |
HiddenShadow:Analyse more... |
| Re: The Igbo Nation Should Forget The Politics Of Nigeria And Focus On Independence by Nonaira3: 10:30pm On Apr 11, 2018 |
Roger3D:I picked out sections that buttress my point. Why the Bleep would I do when I can be easily discredited with a simple Google reverse search. See this fool, I picked out a statement that what said to be the International court opinion in regard to a state that sought Independence and they approved. Here's exactly where I got the statement https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-determination if If you need more links http://www.thestateless.com/2017/02/rohingya-and-their-struggling-for-their-right-to-self-determination.html https://christogenea.org/podcasts/wake-charlottesville I called you an illiterate, in which you are, as you displayed ignorance on your post without even bothering to Google WTF you saying. When asked to define what "people" meant by the UN status Since you claiming that the people "Igbo" does not fall under UN description of people. You intentionally ignored the question by the OP. Why? because you are an incompetent fool who had nothing to back yourself up with. And here I equally did you a favour of finding the inline version of the book they referenced http://www.icj-cij.org/files/case-related/141/141-20100722-ADV-01-08-EN.pdf Next time learn how to Google before making a complete fool of yourself. |
| Re: The Igbo Nation Should Forget The Politics Of Nigeria And Focus On Independence by Roger3D(m): 10:36pm On Apr 11, 2018 |
horsepower101:Oga you are living in a delusion. Once your Biafra is realized, your properties will be confiscated, and you will be deported. We've discussed this subject on nairaland last year |
| Re: The Igbo Nation Should Forget The Politics Of Nigeria And Focus On Independence by Roger3D(m): 10:40pm On Apr 11, 2018 |
Nonaira3:You flat headed baby factory fool there is nothing in that article that buttresses your point. Where did the ICJ make those definitions you claim? Where is the complete judgement you semi-literate fool? |
| Re: The Igbo Nation Should Forget The Politics Of Nigeria And Focus On Independence by selemempe: 10:46pm On Apr 11, 2018*. Modified: 3:23am On Apr 12, 2018 |
Let me add my voice to my brothers. 1. We need to start a new movement like IPOB and Massob. However this movement will not be called Biafra. It will be called Igbo nationalism movement. It will not include non Igbos. (Not yet anyway) 2. We need to get big Igbo names on board. Ezekwesili, Soludo etc. They need to be the face of the movement. 3. The activities of the movement will include radio propaganda (without insulting anyone), tv propaganda, newspaper (propaganda), blogs and social media. 4. We need to unite Massob, IPoB, Zionist movement and other Biafran agitators to this movement. The united faction leaders need to be given visible roles in the new movement. 5. We need to (through the efforts of the movement leaders) first of all pressure the Ohaneze to pass a motion supporting referandum for Igbos in Nigeria. Then we pressure state houses of assemblies to also pass a motion supporting referandum for Igbos. Then we pressure governors to adopt these motions. Next would be to get members of the national assembly of Igbo origin to introduce a motion in both houses, calling for a referandum for Igbos. (I dont expect the motion to pass in the national assembly) 6. We would then push for the Igbo nation to be recognised within Nigeria as an authonomous region. And For a premeire to be elected for the Igbo nation and recognised by govt, and for the premirer to be the head of an Igbo regional govt. And for the Igbo regional govt be able to manage resouces found in Igboland and pay a percantage to FG And also for matters such as power and energy; local policing; census and statistic collection to be delegated to the premiere and the Igbo regional govt. 7. We would go like this for a long time as an autonomous entity within one Nigeria (like hong kong, qubec or scotland etc), and then finally seek full independence from Nigeria as The Republic of Igboland. We may make certain concessions to Nigeria (for a start). Such as continuing to use the Naira; joining ECOWAS; Signing trade agreements and Maritime agreements with Nigeria; allowing free movements of people across the border and allowing for dual citizenships for Nigerians living in Igboland and vice verser. 8. We would then revisit the Niger Delta region and seek aliance if they are willing. When we get independence, we should do away with the 5 state structure and remove all sorts of classification. We should take Igbo as one nation...one tribe....one people. No 'he is from Nsuka or from abakaliki' talk. We would also be a democracy and republic like our fore fathers. And if the Niger Delta joins us, we should integrate them well into the politics of the nation and then probably change our name to Biafra or any other one. Dalu nu. Cc bede2u nonaira3 horsepower101 igbodefendercom hiddenshadow shugavee |
| Re: The Igbo Nation Should Forget The Politics Of Nigeria And Focus On Independence by Nonaira3: 10:48pm On Apr 11, 2018 |
Roger3D:Even when provided this complete m0ron the book referenced which came DIRECTLY from ICJ, this incompetent Savage goat still have difficulty to read. It is obvious you are more mentally deranged than your father who didn't know how to use condoms, which could have saved the human race of this severe form of stupidity that you clearly have and trying to spread. Go and buy a brain that you severely lack or better yet, kill a goat and use it's own. it's better than nothing. Oh while I'm at it since Three references as well as a book from an ICJ judge are all false according to your illiterate ass, tell us the definition of people by the UN status of self-determination and provide any references that agrees with you. We are waiting for over an hour now |
| Re: The Igbo Nation Should Forget The Politics Of Nigeria And Focus On Independence by Roger3D(m): 10:54pm On Apr 11, 2018 |
Nonaira3:Paste the complete proceedings of the entire final Judgement in the Kosovo case or quit wasting my time. I will reiterate that you Igbos cannot claim any rights to independence because you are not considered as a people under the UN charter. Hence the world ignoring your silly agitation |
| Re: The Igbo Nation Should Forget The Politics Of Nigeria And Focus On Independence by Nonaira3: 11:03pm On Apr 11, 2018 |
Roger3D:Can someone be show this illiterate how to read appropriately and please ask him to explain why he's asking for what's been giving to his incompetent, brainless ass Oh what is defined as people under the definition of UN charter and reference it The OP have asked you, I've asked it and it's over an hour yet your brainless sef have yet to give ONE singular answer. Illiterate
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| Re: The Igbo Nation Should Forget The Politics Of Nigeria And Focus On Independence by Roger3D(m): 11:09pm On Apr 11, 2018 |
Nonaira3:Oga paste the whole judgement here or quit wasting my time. No wonder we we call you flat heads, its because your brains are flat |
| Re: The Igbo Nation Should Forget The Politics Of Nigeria And Focus On Independence by Nonaira3: 11:14pm On Apr 11, 2018 |
Roger3D:It's obvious you have nothing to back you up thus, resulted to repeating the same thing like a neanderthal with down syndrome. Since you playing ignorant and asking what's given; how about you answer the question given to you. What is the definition of "people" by UN charter and reference it. |
| Re: The Igbo Nation Should Forget The Politics Of Nigeria And Focus On Independence by Hotfreeze: 12:36am On Apr 12, 2018*. Modified: 12:56am On Apr 12, 2018 |
selemempe:Good idea selemempe:Good idea. However, it shouldn't be dependent on one person or a personality. If Ipob had more than one central rallying force, it wouldn't be in coma today. selemempe:Especially that part about not insulting anyone. Don't wish harm to anyone or group, it breeds more opposition to the cause. Propaganda is also very powerful. Imagine showing a picture of Igbo children with padlocks on their mouths and putting it on social media on Nigeria's Independence day. selemempe:Let them be limited to mobilisation and demonstrations. Let lawyers also advise people on conduct before demonstrations. During demonstrations Red Cross members should be present with ambulances. selemempe:See,the Ohaneze is a clog in the wheel of Biafran independence. If you include them, they'll sell you out. Also, your other points here are unattainable because of the Nigerian constitution. If you want to do anything in this line, firstly ensure that only political leaders committed to the Biafran course are elected into positions both in the SE and nationally. selemempe:All these ones are unattainable within the present operating unit. It's either you push for independence or not, no mixing things up. selemempe:This one are compulsory for Biafra to perform because if Biafra fails to do so, Other units in Nigeria may decide to reciprocate and a blockade on Biafra would be an unnecessary price to pay for lack of tact. selemempe:I hate to bring you bad news but it is going to be very difficult to do the above. That 'we are superior to you' sentiment was what killed Ipob in Anambra during the elections. The only way to stop this is to place a heavy punishment on discrimination and ostracism. |
| Re: The Igbo Nation Should Forget The Politics Of Nigeria And Focus On Independence by CSTR1003: 12:40am On Apr 12, 2018 |
Madness. You want to trade your present future for a future that may never come to pass. You want to jeopardize the future of igbo children in Nigeria on the altar of rascality , foolishness and arrogance. smh. |
| Re: The Igbo Nation Should Forget The Politics Of Nigeria And Focus On Independence by DerideGull(m): 12:48am On Apr 12, 2018 |
gidgiddy:You have written like a red-blooded Igbo person. You could not be more correct in your assertions. However, the sketched map that accompanied the write up needs redacted. AlaIgbo is bigger than what you have shown. |
| Re: The Igbo Nation Should Forget The Politics Of Nigeria And Focus On Independence by DerideGull(m): 12:56am On Apr 12, 2018 |
Dtribeless:Did Nigerians loose their properties in Ghana when Nigeria gained independence? If any country that had Igbo properties and chose to be foolish will accept reprisal. |
| Re: The Igbo Nation Should Forget The Politics Of Nigeria And Focus On Independence by CSTR1003: 1:01am On Apr 12, 2018 |
DerideGull:You are trying to be rational in the face of irrationality. We are talking about savages here not citizens of a western democracy. Even under one naijeria, these savages never hide their hate for the igbo people. Imagine what they would do outside that umbrella. If you want independence, you have to forget your properties because it will be lost. That is inevitable. Go home, build a strong economy and military in 10-20 years and then slowly regain lost territories like china is doing to Japan. |
| Re: The Igbo Nation Should Forget The Politics Of Nigeria And Focus On Independence by Hotfreeze: 1:03am On Apr 12, 2018 |
DerideGull:They seized properties in present day Rivers nd Bayelsa states during the war. What happened? Nothing. Which reprisal? You want a new country to build its foundations by reprisals and brickbats? How may non Igbos have properties in the SE? You want to fight those who have nothing to lose? See, you'll be shocked at what even the SS guys would do to Biafra. It's a dog eat dog world bro. |
| Re: The Igbo Nation Should Forget The Politics Of Nigeria And Focus On Independence by Nonaira3: 1:04am On Apr 12, 2018 |
selemempe:I apologize I missed this. 1. We need to start a new movement like IPOB and Massob. However this movement will not be called Biafra. It will be called Igbo nationalism movement. It will not include non Igbos. (Not yet anyway)I agree with this excluding the "not yet" part. Non Igbos should not be included at all indefinitely if you ask me. 2. We need to get big Igbo names on board. Ezekwesili, Soludo etc. They need to be the face of the movement.Ezekwesili especially and she should be the easiest to support the movement considering the I'll treatment she received from the Nigeria despite sticking her head out for them. 3. The activities of the movement will include radio propaganda (without insulting anyone), tv propaganda, newspaper (propaganda), blogs and social media.True. Personally, I think Buhari treatment to Fulani herdsmen and Boko Haram in comparison to IPOB should be highlighted and distributed to every body able Igbo child, woman and man. Other things I know that works is actually NL. Since I've been screenshoting the statements on this forum and spreading to all one Nigeria Igbos I know personally and even inviting them to this forum to see how the people he or she wants to share a nation really thinks about them. I can tell you that I've lost count how many I've turned with that way really. I think finding a way to displaying to each Igbo how the "Nigerian brethren" really view them should be utilized. 4. We need to unite Massob, IPoB, Zionist movement and other Biafran agitators to this movement. The united faction leaders need to be given visible roles in the new movement.True 5. We need to (through the efforts of the movement leaders) first of all pressure the Ohaneze to pass a motion supporting referandum for Igbos in Nigeria. Then we pressure state houses of assemblies to also pass a motion supporting referandum for Igbos. Then we pressure governors to adopt these motions. Next would be to get members of the national assembly of Igbo origin to introduce a motion in both houses, calling for a referandum for Igbos. (I dont expect the motion to pass in the national assembly)Ohaneze does not care for Igbos. All they care about is increasing their pockets. Please remove them from your mind 6. We would then push for the Igbo nation to be recognised within Nigeria as an authonomous region. And For a premeire to be elected for the Igbo nation and recognised by govt, and for the premirer to be the head of an Igbo regional govt. And for the Igbo regional govt be able to manage resouces found in Igboland and pay a percantage to FG And also for matters such and power and energy; local policing; census and statistic collection to be delegated to the premiere and the Igbo regional govt.I'll address the rest after I get off work |
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