₦airaland Forum

davidnazee:
Guy we didnt start any fight. We only stated the obvious about Oduduwa and the reach of Benin Empire but your brothers took an offence at it. The only reason they will do that is because they consider Benin and south south to be minority tribes hence to them its a shame that a minority tribe will once rule over your majority tribe.
I dont see Yoruba denying Nupe invasion and conquest of Yoruba, or Fulani conquests of Yorubas. Fulani even gave you kings yet you do not deny that but you deny Benin gave you Oduduwa.

Oranmiyan came from Ife we agree but we also say he was the son of a Benin man (Oduduwa) but in my opinion I will still call him Yoruba because he was born there to a Yoruba woman and grew there. Even at that the Oranmiyan blood as been washed out of this present Oba. A thousand years is enough time to wash off any Yoruba blood in our Oba.

The British Royal family has German blood in them but you dont hear Germany calling the British monarchy german.

nupe is also a minority and we agree with their invasion. Nupe Invaded oyo at its early stage and ruled for 1 century note I said just oyo when it was still a small kingdom. But oyo came back defeated them took it further by taking their land and pushing them to the north and oyo emerge as an empire. Fulani “conquest” of ilorin not Yoruba was made possible by the ilorin people colliding with them in both cases there is evidence to back it up. Benin never gave us oduduwa if they did there will be no reason to deny it just like there is no reason to deny Benin rule Lagos before the Benin dynasty ended with the birth of ologun kuture.

Olu317:
Just imagine what this one is typing? How will I understand Ogiso language which some of the chiefly words are from Yoruba land? Why I even learn your language, when your language is economy friendly. In fact Ijaw language is more profitable when minority language needed be learned. If Izoduwa, is I choose path to wealth,how does it mean the same thing with Odu to da uwa? Izoduwa is on the Internet,so it is easy to know the meaning. What about what about Ekaladerhan? Imadowa? You really make me mock you. Ignorance is what you all have bought cheaply. ;DJust imagine what this one is typing? How will I understand Ogiso language which some of the chiefly words are from Yoruba land? Why I even learn your language, when your language is economy friendly. In fact Ijaw language is more profitable when minority language needed be learned. If Izoduwa, is I choose path to wealth,how does it mean the same thing with Odu to da uwa? Izoduwa is on the Internet,so it is easy to know the meaning. What about what about Ekaladerhan? Imadowa? You really make me mock you. Ignorance is what you all have bought cheaply.

Wake up from your hallucinations. Odu to da uwa is pure crap, but if you say you have worked it out as an answer to your oduduwa disjointed narrative, then so be it.

So you dubiously now hide under not wanting to learn a minority language. Meanwhile you had been creating the fraudulent impression that Edo was Yoruba and that was what propelled you to pointlessly ask what the oriki of Ekaladerhan was. That's practically the most insane thing I've heard. Its like you asking what the oriki of an English name is; doesn't that just sound silly?

You also baselessly claimed elsewhere that oduduwa is your direct ancestor. What a joke? So Lamurudu is also your ancestor abi? And what happened to the version of Yoruba history that has it that oduduwa originated from the middles east via Egypt? Or the laughable tale of him coming from the sky? So with that fraud you call history, that should imply that all of Yoruba race are from that your infinitesimal lineage... Lol. Guy, you are such a huge ass joke. All what you guys have been doing here in the name of history is just a comedy of errors.

Even as fallacious as some mythologies are, we've still seen Hollywood do adaptation of them mainly the Greek and Egyptian mythologies. But I haven't seen any such adaptation from Hollywood of those useless stories you people have been touting around all these years. That's because they don't appeal to common sense and reason.

davidnazee:
A picture that is not clear you call Ogedengbe? It could even be your grand papa picture you post here.
Please go and research the Ogedengbe war with Benin. If you did you wouldn't be saying anything about Oba begging. Yoruba twisting facts again!!

Ogedengbe army was routed at Ehor, and Ogedengbe killed.
if you no like am, pls tell the nearest person to you to give you hard knock on your head.

ogedengbe was not beheaded stop lying after the kriji war he was given a title in is town Ilesha and that’s where he died

steveosaz:
Wake up from your hallucinations. Odu to da uwa is pure crap, but if you say you have worked it out as an answer to your oduduwa disjointed narrative, then so be it.

So you dubiously now hide under not wanting to learn a minority language. Meanwhile you had been creating the fraudulent impression that Edo was Yoruba and that was what propelled you to pointlessly ask what the oriki of Ekaladerhan was. That's practically the most insane thing I've heard. Its like you asking what the oriki of an English name is; doesn't that just sound silly?

You also baselessly claimed elsewhere that oduduwa is your direct ancestor. What a joke? So Lamurudu is also your ancestor abi? And what happened to the version of Yoruba history that has it that oduduwa originated from the middles east via Egypt? Or the laughable tale of him coming from the sky? So with that fraud you call history, that should imply that all of Yoruba race are from that your infinitesimal lineage... Lol. Guy, you are such a huge ass joke. All what you guys have been doing here in the name of history is just a comedy of errors.

Even as fallacious as some mythologies are, we've still seen Hollywood do adaptation of them mainly the Greek and Egyptian mythologies. But I haven't seen any such adaptation from Hollywood of those useless stories you people have been touting around all these years. That's because they don't appeal to common sense and reason.

tale of falling the sky is myth it’s well know just like sango and Ogun myth exist oduduwa coming from the Middle East is a recent happening done by Yoruba Muslim done to link oduduwa to Islam. Just like ogiamen family says ur king is from Yoruba land whether it’s true or not regarding what ogiamen just remover a Benin man said it and also a historical person too

Moorish:
Alot of the benin claims sound dodgy

piece by piece I am starting to rethink what I once believed..

growing up in your territory I was force fed this story by your people that you originated our monarchy and kingdom

But you cannot tell me why

1. Igodomigodo changed to ile ibinu
2. Heads of dead obas being buried in ife
3. Ogiso dynasty being replaced by oba dynasty

and the article about benin's first exposure to horses being when oranmiyan entered benin

and the sculpture

No smoke without fire

@olu317, we need to do more work in bringing this historical truth to light

@davidnazee I try to be a gentleman. I do not feel like exchanging pleasantries right now. Call me whatever you want, dawg..

@davidnazee You are still my brother. An african. I am not clannish

Moorish your questions don't deserve answers.

Igodomigodo changed to Edo.
Questions you should ask is if before the Europeans documented the Kingdom as Benin Kingdom did the Edo people call land benin/ile ibinu as Oranmiyan called the land? or they called themselves a different name?
It was you Yorubas that refered to it as Ile Ibinu.

Heads of dead Obas were not buried in Ife

The Ogiso system of rule is different from Oba system of rule. Its like Nigeria changing from head of state to president. or from prime minister to president. they all have different functions and powers.

Please what is it about horses? does horses represent civilization to you? Can horses survive in rain forests?

Enough busting of edo lies for the day I trust olu to keep busting their lies

steveosaz:
Wake up from your hallucinations. Odu to da uwa is pure crap, but if you say you have worked it out as an answer to your oduduwa disjointed narrative, then so be it.

So you dubiously now hide under not wanting to learn a minority language. Meanwhile you had been creating the fraudulent impression that Edo was Yoruba and that was what propelled you to pointlessly ask what the oriki of Ekaladerhan was. That's practically the most insane thing I've heard. Its like you asking what the oriki of an English name is; doesn't that just sound silly?

You also baselessly claimed elsewhere that oduduwa is your direct ancestor. What a joke? So Lamurudu is also your ancestor abi? And what happened to the version of Yoruba history that has it that oduduwa originated from the middles east via Egypt? Or the laughable tale of him coming from the sky? So with that fraud you call history, that should imply that all of Yoruba race are from that your infinitesimal lineage... Lol. Guy, you are such a huge ass joke. All what you guys have been doing here in the name of history is just a comedy of errors.

Even as fallacious as some mythologies are, we've still seen Hollywood do adaptation of them mainly the Greek and Egyptian mythologies. But I haven't seen any such adaptation from Hollywood of those useless stories you people have been touting around all these years. That's because they don't appeal to common sense and reason.

"Do not throw rocks if you live in a glass house"

"Ogiso means ruler from the sky" according to http://www.edofolks.com/html/osahon_ogiso_dynasty.htm

No be only our odduduwa come from heaven oh

davidnazee:
Igodomigodo changed to Edo.

From what I recall, Igodomigodo was the ancient name of the benin city state/empire

davidnazee:
Moorish your questions don't deserve answers.

Igodomigodo changed to Edo.
Questions you should ask is if before the Europeans documented the Kingdom as Benin Kingdom did the Edo people call land benin/ile ibinu as Oranmiyan called the land? or they called themselves a different name?
It was you Yorubas that refered to it as Ile Ibinu.

Heads of dead Obas were not buried in Ife

The Ogiso system of rule is different from Oba system of rule. Its like Nigeria changing from head of state to president. or from prime minister to president. they all have different functions and powers.

Please what is it about horses? does horses represent civilization to you? Can horses survive in rain forests?

If odduduwa was the son of an ogiso as you claim, with his son ascending the benin throne, they should have continued with tradition

Why did it change to an oba dynasty then?

Olu317:
Moorish,there is no problem bro. Working with you will be with pleasure.

Cheers.

Will DM you

Moorish:
If odduduwa was the son of an ogiso as you claim, with his son ascending the benin throne, they should have continued with tradition

Why did it change to an oba dynasty then?

Just a question.. what is your aim in all this back and forth arguments?
Me I’m just trying to show Benin kingdom’s greatness, It’s might and reach and also the advancement and civilization of ancient Edo people. I’m relying on evidence in the not too distant past to prove this.

I’m not concerned about who Oduduwa, Oranmiyan or were the first Oba of Benin came from. We are all entitled to our beliefs about these mythical figures.

My point is about Benin kingdom and it’s relationship with the Yoruba states and in this case opinions don’t matter rather we will use facts and evidence.

davidnazee:
Just a question.. what is your aim in all this back and forth arguments?
Me I’m just trying to show Benin kingdom’s greatness, It’s might and reach and also the advancement and civilization of ancient Edo people. I’m relying on evidence in the not too distant past to prove this.

I’m not concerned about who Oduduwa, Oranmiyan or were the first Oba of Benin came from. We are all entitled to our beliefs about these mythical figures.

My point is about Benin kingdom and it’s relationship with the Yoruba states and in this case opinions don’t matter rather we will use facts and evidence.

We are all entitled to our opinions. For me, I am just glad that we have people who study and value their history

But we need to start telling our stories to the whole world, both in visuals and sound

I did not mean any harm. And unlike you, I do not see benin as my enemy. Benin is something I am also proud of, as well as all the other great kingdom of our african ancestors, kush and mali etc

I remain a proud son of Nigeria

steveosaz:
Wake up from your hallucinations. Odu to da uwa is pure crap, but if you say you have worked it out as an answer to your oduduwa disjointed narrative, then so be it.

So you dubiously now hide under not wanting to learn a minority language. Meanwhile you had been creating the fraudulent impression that Edo was Yoruba and that was what propelled you to pointlessly ask what the oriki of Ekaladerhan was. That's practically the most insane thing I've heard. Its like you asking what the oriki of an English name is; doesn't that just sound silly?

You also baselessly claimed elsewhere that oduduwa is your direct ancestor. What a joke? So Lamurudu is also your ancestor abi? And what happened to the version of Yoruba history that has it that oduduwa originated from the middles east via Egypt? Or the laughable tale of him coming from the sky? So with that fraud you call history, that should imply that all of Yoruba race are from that your infinitesimal lineage... Lol. Guy, you are such a huge ass joke. All what you guys have been doing here in the name of history is just a comedy of errors.

Even as fallacious as some mythologies are, we've still seen Hollywood do adaptation of them mainly the Greek and Egyptian mythologies. But I haven't seen any such adaptation from Hollywood of those useless stories you people have been touting around all these years. That's because they don't appeal to common sense and reason.

Oviedo (child of Edo),you want to engage me,I will do you this last time . You see, most of you who claim to have knowledge on Bini history online ,but you are far from it as it regard Oba Bini .Was I the one or any Yoruba person that claimed Oranmiyan was the first that rode on horse? Honestly, Ignorance is a big problem for you because you sit in your tiny enclave and boast when in real life ,you are not reckon with in your folklore. You think, I will stoop so low and lie about my ancestry? Many of us aren't liars like you. In fact,I wouldn't do this online if not because liars like you exist beyond control and we need nib on the board before it get outta hand. Isn't it silly on your part that you used heavy vulgar words on my personality but in real ,you may not even be able to engage me verbally because such opportunity won't arise. This has nothing to do with wealth or pride but humane characteristics, which you lacked. Perhaps, you haven't read such before but you can read it again and digest it that you have met one person online, who is one of the direct descendant of Odudua. In fact , a direct patrilineal lineage son of Oranmiyan..... As I write this, know it that my own future descendant can be Ooni. Can't you see I am greater than Oba Bini that felt comfortable at visiting the exalted throne of Odua,which Oranmiyan and his descendants from ILE IFE has sustained for over a 1000 years?


Bitter truth is what I just handed down to you!

Moorish:
Will DM you

mail me: xylovoice AT gmail.com

Olu317:
Oviedo (child of Edo),you want to engage me,I will do you this last time . You see, most of you who claim to have knowledge on Bini history online ,but you are far from it as it regard Oba Bini .Was I the one or any Yoruba person that claimed Oranmiyan was the first that rode on horse? Honestly, Ignorance is a big problem for you because you sit in your tiny enclave and boast when in real life ,you are not reckon with in your folklore. You think, I will stoop so low and lie about my ancestry? Many of us aren't liars like you. In fact,I wouldn't do this online if not because liars like you exist beyond control and we need nib on the board before it get outta hand. Isn't it silly on your part that you used heavy vulgar words on my personality but in real ,you may not even be able to engage me verbally because such opportunity won't arise. This has nothing to do with wealth or pride but humane characteristics, which you lacked. Perhaps, you haven't read such before but you can read it again and digest it that you have met one person online, who is one of the direct descendant of Odudua. In fact , a direct patrilineal lineage son of Oranmiyan..... As I write this, know it that my own future descendant can be Ooni. Can't you see I am greater than Oba Bini that felt comfortable at visiting the exalted throne of Odua,which Oranmiyan and his descendants from ILE IFE has sustained for over a 1000 years?


Bitter truth is what I just handed down to you!

But this your long essay doesn’t change the fact that Benin Kingdom conquered and ruled Yoruba people. And they did it without horses!

The first map of Benin Empire was made around 600 years ago. But I guess you were already there one thousand years ago to witness Benin Empire and its capital (Benin City) being called igodomigodo.

Get yourself a brain.

Moorish:
From what I recall, Igodomigodo was the ancient name of the benin city state/empire

I have the impression that these yorubafolks whom are trying to parade themselves as experts in Benin history are actually not even aware that Benin City is only the capital of Benin Kingdom which is much larger than its capital.

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prolog2:
The first map of Benin Empire was made around 600 years ago. But I guess you were already there one thousand years ago to witness Benin Empire and its capital (Benin City) being called igodomigodo.

Get yourself a brain.

Lol

Thanks for the compliment my gee

But you failed to convince me in any of these arguments

I initially believed the Benin claims, but a lot has been exposed on this thread, hence I went with the superior arguements

Like I said to your equally rude brother, I try as much as possible to be a gentle man

So, Good nite

Wow, this is amazing.
You actually believed I was here to "convince you".
And you are here talking about "Benin claims" and "superior argument" ?
You yoruba crooks will never let us get boared.
I wonder what your next trick will look like.
For your info, what you are calling "Benin claim" is actually what was recorded hundreds of years ago and on which the dated and authentified records are available in european libraries. And I am talking about historical facts not myths.
The problem with you and your fellow yoruba crooks is that you don't use your brain or lack one.

Moorish:
Lol

Thanks for the compliment my gee

But you failed to convince me in any of these arguments

I initially believed the Benin claims, but a lot has been exposed on this thread, hence I went with the superior arguements

Like I said to your equally rude brother, I try as much as possible to be a gentle man

So, Good nite

prolog2:
Wow, this is amazing.
You actually believed I was here to "convince you".
And you are here talking about "Benin claims" and "superior argument" ?
You yoruba crooks will never let us get boared.
I wonder what your next trick will look like.
For your info, what you are calling "Benin claim" is actually what was recorded hundreds of years ago and on which the dated and authentified records are available in european libraries. And I am talking about historical facts not myths.
The problem with you and your fellow yoruba crooks is that you don't use your brain or lack one.

*Bored

*Authenticated

Go get yourself an education

Ooh, I didn't spell those words right ! can you imagine ? What kind of yeye education did I get ?
Nigerian mentality/stupidity has no equal any where else in the world.

Moorish:
*Bored

*Authenticated

Go get yourself an education

prolog2:
Ooh, I didn't spell those words right ! can you imagine ? What kind of yeye education did I get ?
Nigerian mentality/stupidity has no equal any where else in the world.

That was a poor attempt at sarcasm

You also spell worse than my 9 year old niece

Have you called your mum today?

She needs to hear your voice..

Italy is a lonely place for black folk

Mr neutrality indeed.
Why pretending to be "neutral" ?
Did you actually believe your scam had any chance of ever working ?
Why is the yoruba approach to history always about how to make the best scam ?
Why can't you just do things honnestly ?
What is wrong with researching the actual history of your people rather than rewriting it as we speak ?
Don't worry, I will send some help to your stranded wh.ore mother in ibadan where she sucks d.icks.

Moorish:
That was a poor attempt at sarcasm

You also spell worse than my 9 year old niece

Have you called your mum today?

She needs to hear your voice..

Italy is a lonely place for black folk

prolog2:
Mr neutrality indeed.
Why pretending to be "neutral" ?
Did you actually believe your scam had any chance of ever working ?
Why is the yoruba approach to history always about how to make the best scam ?
Why can't you just do things honnestly ?
What is wrong with researching the actual history of your people rather than rewriting it as we speak ?
Don't worry, I will send some help to your stranded wh.ore mother in ibadan where she sucks d.icks.

*honestly

Go away

Moorish:
My brothers from benin. We need not insult one another

@steveosaz and @prolog2

If you can give me definitive answers to these questions, then I am sure we can agree on scholarly truth

1. Why did igodomigodo change to Ile Ibinu
2. Why did Ogiso dynasty change to oba dynasty
3. Why were dead Benin kings buried in ife?

Number 3 is very weird and the benin theory does not add up.

So a benin monarch (Ekaladerhan) died in a foreign land (ife) which he now rules. So now, his sons who reigned in his homeland(benin) must be buried in ife the foreign land?? This is unrealistic if you follow the benin theory.

I think it was oba ewuare who ended this tradition of burial in ife.

It does not sound reasonable. If the benin hypothesis was the truth, even odduduwa would have been buried in benin, his original homeland, and subsequent kings of benin would also be buried in benin.

1. Kingdoms, countries and other societies in the past have had their names changed. Babylon is presently Iraq, Persia is presently Iran. Even in more recent times, Upper Volta changed their name to Burkina Faso. So at some point, what was known as Igodomigodo metamorphosed in Bini. Now take note that Ile Ibinu is just Yoruba theory about the origin of the name. It is also said that the name was nothing like Ile Ibinu but it was called UBINI by the Itsekiri. So Ile Ibinu is just another farce.

2. Events in history provoke changes. The revelation of an Oracle led to the banishment of Ekaladerhan who was supposed to be the heir apparent of the last Ogiso Owodo. However, with him being out of the way, it became impossible for the Ogiso dynasty to be sustained. Thus leaving a gap which was temporarily filled in by the Ogiamiens. With the return of oranmiya, son of oduduwa the lost Ekaladerhan, a new dynasty was birthed. And that's why Bini has two dynasties; the Ogiso dynasty(Ogie iso - ogie meaning king and iso meaning sky) and Eweka dynasty which still exists even today.
Even in England, the Tudors' dynasty also came to an end before the present monarchy was born. So also did they have the House of Plantagenet and Lancaster.

3. There is nothing convincing of this claim. This particular issue has been extensively dealt with on this very thread so no need restating those points. You could simply go back and read through.


Oduduwa couldn't have been buried in Benin because he never returned. So its only sensible that he is buried in his naturalized country. Even in this day, there are so many Nigerians who die abroad and are buried there. So there's absolutely no shred of logic in that your inference.

Olu317:
Oviedo (child of Edo),you want to engage me,I will do you this last time . You see, most of you who claim to have knowledge on Bini history online ,but you are far from it as it regard Oba Bini .Was I the one or any Yoruba person that claimed Oranmiyan was the first that rode on horse? Honestly, Ignorance is a big problem for you because you sit in your tiny enclave and boast when in real life ,you are not reckon with in your folklore. You think, I will stoop so low and lie about my ancestry? Many of us aren't liars like you. In fact,I wouldn't do this online if not because liars like you exist beyond control and we need nib on the board before it get outta hand. Isn't it silly on your part that you used heavy vulgar words on my personality but in real ,you may not even be able to engage me verbally because such opportunity won't arise. This has nothing to do with wealth or pride but humane characteristics, which you lacked. Perhaps, you haven't read such before but you can read it again and digest it that you have met one person online, who is one of the direct descendant of Odudua. In fact , a direct patrilineal lineage son of Oranmiyan..... As I write this, know it that my own future descendant can be Ooni. Can't you see I am greater than Oba Bini that felt comfortable at visiting the exalted throne of Odua,which Oranmiyan and his descendants from ILE IFE has sustained for over a 1000 years?


Bitter truth is what I just handed down to you!

Lol...

Imagine this degenerate idiot who is not know even on his own street in Ife blabbing trash. A nameless, faceless scammer! This is the embodiment of the attitude of fraud these guys and their lying historical revisionist brothers have attended to this issue. You don't need to announce to us what a nonentity you are.

That you claim to be from the line of oduduwa(though doubtful) doesn't change the fact that oduduwa is a stranger in Ife and if that's to be taken for anything, then you are equally a rootless stranger yourself. Even the Olugbo of Ugbo has alluded to this very fact.

Let the true descendants of Ife speak and not strangers like you.

Olu317:
Oviedo (child of Edo),you want to engage me,I will do you this last time . You see, most of you who claim to have knowledge on Bini history online ,but you are far from it as it regard Oba Bini .Was I the one or any Yoruba person that claimed Oranmiyan was the first that rode on horse? Honestly, Ignorance is a big problem for you because you sit in your tiny enclave and boast when in real life ,you are not reckon with in your folklore. You think, I will stoop so low and lie about my ancestry? Many of us aren't liars like you. In fact,I wouldn't do this online if not because liars like you exist beyond control and we need nib on the board before it get outta hand. Isn't it silly on your part that you used heavy vulgar words on my personality but in real ,you may not even be able to engage me verbally because such opportunity won't arise. This has nothing to do with wealth or pride but humane characteristics, which you lacked. Perhaps, you haven't read such before but you can read it again and digest it that you have met one person online, who is one of the direct descendant of Odudua. In fact , a direct patrilineal lineage son of Oranmiyan..... As I write this, know it that my own future descendant can be Ooni. Can't you see I am greater than Oba Bini that felt comfortable at visiting the exalted throne of Odua,which Oranmiyan and his descendants from ILE IFE has sustained for over a 1000 years?


Bitter truth is what I just handed down to you!

If it’s true you are actually descendant of Oduduwa/Izoduwa/Ekhaladeran then I can authoritatively tell you that you are an Edo man. An Edo man that is lost and roaming in Yorubalands. You should come to Benin let’s take you through the spiritual and cleansing rites.

On the other hand what is this your craze about Oviedo and Omo Edo for?
In Edo language we have different words for baby, child, kid, children.. maybe yorubas use just one word for all of them.

Omo is Edo word and it means child.
Oviedo means Edo person.
Ibieka means children
Ovokhan means young child/kid
Omomo means baby

Oviedo is a phrase not a word. If u remove the Edo, Oviee is still a phrase not a word. It means his child, or her child or someone’s child.

The Edo language is unique that’s why it’s difficult to learn easily unlike Yoruba that is a collection of borrowed words..

I’m educating you on these because you said you are an Edo man. A lost one.

steveosaz:
1. Kingdoms, countries and other societies in have had their names changed. Babylon is presently Iraq, Persia is presently Iran. Even in more recent times, Ivory coast changed their name to Burkina Faso. So at some point, what was known as Igodomigodo metamorphosed in Bini. Now take note that Ile Ibinu is just Yoruba theory about the origin of the name. It is also said that the name was nothing like Ile Ibinu but it was called UBINI by the Itsekiri. So Ile Ibinu is just another farce.

2. Events in history provoke changes. The revelation of an Oracle led to the banishment of Ekaladerhan who was supposed to be the heir apparent of the last Ogiso Owodo. However, with him being out of the way, it became impossible for the Ogiso dynasty to be sustained. Thus leaving a gap which was temporarily filled in by the Ogiamiens. With the return of oranmiya, son of oduduwa the lost Ekaladerhan, a new dynasty was birthed. And that's why Bini has two dynasties; the Ogiso dynasty(Ogie iso - ogie meaning king and iso meaning sky) and Eweka dynasty which still exists even today.
Even in England, the Tudors' dynasty also came to an end before the present monarchy was born. So also did they have the House of Plantagenet and Lancaster.

3. There is nothing convincing of this claim. This particular issue has been extensively dealt with on this very thread so no need restating those points. You could simply go back and read through.


Oduduwa couldn't have been buried in Benin because he never returned. So its only sensible that he is buried in his naturalized country. Even in this day, there are so many Nigerians who die abroad and are buried there. So there's absolutely no shred of logic in that your inference.

I don't mean to sound rude but I lost confidence in your assertions once you said ivory coast changed its name to Burkina Faso

Maybe it is a slight oversight. I do hope so.

Look, I think this argument has been over flogged. There is no point arguing. We are all entitled to our opinions.

I do feel sorry that me of all people had to be dragged into the name calling and insults, but some indecent people here forced my hand.

@steveosaz, I do hope at some point we in southern Nigeria can trust one another and finally challenge those in the north we see us as inferiors

We are far too fragmented, and it is doing us in.. We do not have to like each other in order to fight for our collective rights

And I want to say I am sorry to an Edo person who I offended, It was never my intention to go that route. And I do hope we can have a mutual respect for each other in the future

Thanks

OlaoChi:
Thanks. I have read though of many connections between Oranmiyan and Uselu, would you say those articles were misleading and there is no direct connection between oranmiyan and uselu?

I haven't read any. You can share with me. I am only aware of how Uselu became the place of the crown prince but no connections with Oranmiyan.

Moorish:
I don't mean to sound rude but I lost confidence in your assertions once you said ivory coast changed its name to Burkina Faso

Maybe it is a slight oversight. I do hope so.

Look, I think this argument has been over flogged. There is no point arguing. We are all entitled to our opinions.

I do feel sorry that me of all people had to be dragged into the name calling and insults, but some indecent people here forced my hand.

@steveosaz, I do hope at some point we in southern Nigeria can trust one another and finally challenge those in the north we see us as inferiors

We are far too fragmented, and it is doing us in.. We do not have to like each other in order to fight for our collective rights

And I want to say I am sorry to an Edo person who I offended, It was never my intention to go that route. And I do hope we can have a mutual respect for each other in the future

Thanks

Go hug transformer or vote buhari..

steveosaz:
1. Kingdoms, countries and other societies in have had their names changed. Babylon is presently Iraq, Persia is presently Iran. Even in more recent times, Ivory coast changed their name to Burkina Faso. So at some point, what was known as Igodomigodo metamorphosed in Bini. Now take note that Ile Ibinu is just Yoruba theory about the origin of the name. It is also said that the name was nothing like Ile Ibinu but it was called UBINI by the Itsekiri. So Ile Ibinu is just another farce.

2. Events in history provoke changes. The revelation of an Oracle led to the banishment of Ekaladerhan who was supposed to be the heir apparent of the last Ogiso Owodo. However, with him being out of the way, it became impossible for the Ogiso dynasty to be sustained. Thus leaving a gap which was temporarily filled in by the Ogiamiens. With the return of oranmiya, son of oduduwa the lost Ekaladerhan, a new dynasty was birthed. And that's why Bini has two dynasties; the Ogiso dynasty(Ogie iso - ogie meaning king and iso meaning sky) and Eweka dynasty which still exists even today.
Even in England, the Tudors' dynasty also came to an end before the present monarchy was born. So also did they have the House of Plantagenet and Lancaster.

3. There is nothing convincing of this claim. This particular issue has been extensively dealt with on this very thread so no need restating those points. You could simply go back and read through.


Oduduwa couldn't have been buried in Benin because he never returned. So its only sensible that he is buried in his naturalized country. Even in this day, there are so many Nigerians who die abroad and are buried there. So there's absolutely no shred of logic in that your inference.

so Ogie means king in edo so why do u call ur present king oba and not Ogie ur word for king anymore

davidnazee:
If it’s true you are actually descendant of Oduduwa/Izoduwa/Ekhaladeran then I can authoritatively tell you that you are an Edo man. An Edo man that is lost and roaming in Yorubalands. You should come to Benin let’s take you through the spiritual and cleansing rites.

On the other hand what is this your craze about Oviedo and Omo Edo for?
In Edo language we have different words for baby, child, kid, children.. maybe yorubas use just one word for all of them.

Omo is Edo word and it means child.
Oviedo means Edo person.
Ibieka means children
Ovokhan means young child/kid
Omomo means baby

Oviedo is a phrase not a word. If u remove the Edo, Oviee is still a phrase not a word. It means his child, or her child or someone’s child.

The Edo language is unique that’s why it’s difficult to learn easily unlike Yoruba that is a collection of borrowed words..

I’m educating you on these because you said you are an Edo man. A lost one.

omo is Yoruba for child, omode or omokekere is small child. Omomo is baby. All the Yoruba word concerning child has omo attach to it unlike edo word that has Oviedo, ibieka, ovokhan so I don’t think it’s yoruba that borrow the word but u coz u also have other words for it.