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prolog2:
Why did I expect such a response ?
Ofcourse, you have to say this, your story keeps developping according to necessity to make it not seem totally fabricated.
What exactly in that statue indicates that the person is going to teach bronze casting ? What exactly places him as a person from ife ?
Please would you care to show me the bronze which was stolen from yoruba palaces by the british ?

Well art of war destroy, steal and pillage ..who gonna pay for the expedition they have to bring back war treasure so the British stole your art ...lot of art work was stolen from Yoruba land too even first land moon on earth it would have been wonder of the world ""OSUPA OGIO"" That would illuminate the whole street then in ile-ife at night .. a very big diamond like rounded rock smooth like a marble rounded it was magical ,almost 40feet in diameter

Why not just give up to logics.
ife heads were dug up, nobody knows who actually produced them.
It is more than possible that they were done by a people who inhabitated the area long before your yoruba people migrated there.
No art was found in any yoruba palace (actually very few yoruba palaces even existed). Your very much gloryfied ooni didn't have a proper palace, he had a small shrine instead.
I really don't know why you yoruba are so ashamed of your history that you keep rewriting it and claiming things which do not belong to you.
Your latest claims are so incredibly stupid, it isn't even funny anymore.

Obalufon:
Well art of war destroy, steal and pillage ..who gonna pay for the expedition they have to bring back war treasure so the British stole your art ...lot of art work was stolen from Yoruba land too even first land moon on earth it would be wonder of the world ""OSUPA OGIO"" That would illuminate the whole street then in ile-ife at night .. a very big diamond like rounded rock smooth like a marble rounded it was magical ,almost 40feet in diameter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztVPNbP9gmk

prolog2:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06YQAhz9JzU

you keep posting video thank you .. that horseman was depiction of a Yoruba horse rider they were fascinated then to see it that was why they made the bronze ...Don't tell me edo people have such mark on ..ILA!!!! WAN BU ILA yen DADA ...

these are primitive ...Yoruba art are realism ..i can't post video it makes no sense

I do not want to have a sensless debate about face marks.
Like the usual yoruba, you just want to drag people into a non logical debate.
The only facts about the matter is that the statue was stolen at Oba palace. It was an Edo statue and the person being depicted is most likely an Edo. By the way, there are several depictions of Omo n'Oba n'Edo on horseback.

Obalufon:
you keep posting video thank you .. that horseman was depiction of a Yoruba horse rider they were fascinated then to see it that was why they made the bronze ...Don't tell me edo people have such mark on ..ILA!!!! WAN BU ILA yen DADA ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOvVq3rZ8Xs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30jZ4_dXQGw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZWQfj2-HNs





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OI1XF-AcuhY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7F1ZqO44GOI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnpb8Q-7_pc

you can see realism

realism at it's peak individuality not savage image like beast

archeological dug outs are not considered art (at least not by me).
Yet nothing proves that they belong to your people (as I already stated).
It is possible that those were made by previous inhabitants of ife.
As for the "realism" well keep blowing "your" own horn because nobody else will.
Anyway, you have a better claim on these ife dug out things than on actual proven Edo artwork.

Obalufon:
you can see realism

Obalufon:
Oba CEREMONIAL REGALIA .rapper with rounded beads laugh!!!! i can send you a picture of me dressing like that that is ile-ife dressing style too ..The Awos OGBONI cult still dress like that and chiefs in ile-ife.......ILE-IFE is known for glass beads making all over Africa even glass dish dishes Awo

Show me a 15c picture of artefact dat prove so apart from oduduwa yorubas never wore beads nor white clothes u all probably imitated it in d early 18c what u had was adire

Yet when the british arrived they saw that clothing in Oba Palace and stole it from there, but they didn't see any such t steal from ife.
Why telling lies ?
Why must you just lie and lie and lie ?
Your "kings" have no old regalia, instead they are wearing stuff made in gushi store.
Look at their crowns which were made 20 years ago and compare that to Omo n'Oba n'Edo's regalia which is more than 600 years old !
Stop your boolshit !

Obalufon:
Oba CEREMONIAL REGALIA .rapper with rounded beads laugh!!!! i can send you a picture of me dressing like that that is ile-ife dressing style too ..The Awos OGBONI cult still dress like that and chiefs in ile-ife.......ILE-IFE is known for glass beads making all over Africa even glass dish dishes Awo

Obalufon:
Oba CEREMONIAL REGALIA .rapper with rounded beads laugh!!!! i can send you a picture of me dressing like that that is ile-ife dressing style too ..The Awos OGBONI cult still dress like that and chiefs in ile-ife.......ILE-IFE is known for glass beads making all over Africa even glass dish dishes Awo

Show me a 15c picture of artefact dat prove so apart from oduduwa yorubas never wore beads nor white clothes u all probably imitated it in d early 18c what u had was adire

Lemme see yours

steveosaz:
This is an important link on this issue. Read through and take note of how original Edo names were being corrupted to sound Yoruba. That was the same way Izoduwa was corrupted to oduduwa and the Yoruba have continued to spin and build castles of lies around that entity for ages.

Important read. http://ikerekingdompalace.com/history-of-ikire-ekiti/

Oduduwa has its meaning..it is not a corruption of any other name. - odu to da iwa - the principle of creation
This name reflects the creation power of the Oduduwa that created the world in Yoruba creation myth. This oduduwa is female and worshipped as such in Ado-odo

The first Ooni - Olofin Adimula(his name in Ifa) adopted the name "oduduwa"

If oduduwa is really Izoduwa, why do you have Oduduwa festival in Benin and not Izoduwa festival? Why do you call Oba of Benin, the son of oduduwa of Ife? Not son of izoduwa

Stop your lies

prolog2:
Actually, I only refer to historical documents. Nothing else.

Boxing time.

But you have not provided any evidence or document to prove your claims. You say something and say what you said is evidence in itself. That's silly

davidnazee:
You Yoruba guys make me laugh. The only people you deceive with your lies and fake history is your own fellow Yorubas, just the way the only people Oyo conquered and sold into slavery was their own fellow Yoruba brothers and sisters.

Go and research Benin Yoruba wars, only articles you will find is about Benin military campaigns in Eastern Yorubalands, defeating all yoruba armies that stood against it.. Even your Ogedengbe of Ilesha that tried to march on Benin was defeated and beheaded at Ehor.

Ogedengbe died in Ilesa
Stop your lies

davidnazee:
Only a fool (not insulting you) will dwell in and celebrate myths and fables.. A wise man will look at actual documents written by historians and explorers..
Someone like you will actually believe Oduduwa cane down from the sky on chains.

Do you think the British that wrote that article believes their own myths about Zeus and Mount Olympus?

What historians confirm your claims? Name two


But the British believe Jesus and angels?

steveosaz:
Wake up from your hallucinations. Odu to da uwa is pure crap, but if you say you have worked it out as an answer to your oduduwa disjointed narrative, then so be it.

So you dubiously now hide under not wanting to learn a minority language. Meanwhile you had been creating the fraudulent impression that Edo was Yoruba and that was what propelled you to pointlessly ask what the oriki of Ekaladerhan was. That's practically the most insane thing I've heard. Its like you asking what the oriki of an English name is; doesn't that just sound silly?

You also baselessly claimed elsewhere that oduduwa is your direct ancestor. What a joke? So Lamurudu is also your ancestor abi? And what happened to the version of Yoruba history that has it that oduduwa originated from the middles east via Egypt? Or the laughable tale of him coming from the sky? So with that fraud you call history, that should imply that all of Yoruba race are from that your infinitesimal lineage... Lol. Guy, you are such a huge ass joke. All what you guys have been doing here in the name of history is just a comedy of errors.

Even as fallacious as some mythologies are, we've still seen Hollywood do adaptation of them mainly the Greek and Egyptian mythologies. But I haven't seen any such adaptation from Hollywood of those useless stories you people have been touting around all these years. That's because they don't appeal to common sense and reason.

that some Yoruba Muslims created a false claim should be used to against genuine Yorubas
Even on this forum some Christians are claiming Yorubas came from Israel

Ignore all that, follow evidence. Benin claim has no evidence. Anybody can claim anything but without evidence it will fall flat
Even Nupe claim oduduwa came from them.

That is why no historian takes Benin claims that ooduwa is from Benin seriously. It's clearly a lie

prolog2:
There is something wrong with your bain and your eyes. You can't even describe what you see with accuracy and honnesty. Too much yoruba-centrism kills the bain.

I did not insult you please don't insult someone just because you hate where they come from

you claim you have historical documents. Post them here let's know the full details and the person who did the research

OlaoChi:
Ogedengbe died in Ilesa
Stop your lies

So you were there when he died abi? Ok show us picture of his grave.
I’m giving u real history not fake ones.

davidnazee:
So you were there when he died abi? Ok show us picture of his grave.
I’m giving u real history not fake ones.

Ogedengbe-led Ilesa forces were given a hero welcome back home and Ogedengbe himself was rewarded for his stance, bravery and heroism during the war, he was honoured with a royal title of “OBANLA OF IJESHALAND" also known as "OBA-ALA OF ILESHA" (meaning THE "MIGHTY" KING OF IJESHALAND). A respectably earned title, truely deserving of a brave warrior.
Chief Saraibi Ogedengbe lived peacefully thereafter until he died on the 29th July, 1910. The sky rocked and thundered (3 times) to show that a great warrior had passed away. He was buried at his palace and his descendants have since carried on with the great legacy the Legendary Yoruba warrior left behind.

http://ogedengbe.com/9702/index.html

from an official website created by his family

gregyboy:
Show me a 15c picture of artefact dat prove so apart from oduduwa yorubas never wore beads nor white clothes u all probably imitated it in d early 18c what u had was adire

Are you kidding? Below is one of Ooni's sculpture ,who wore beads like a proper exposed/civilised superior King. I am sure you have nothing close to it. A handsome Ooni to behold . A classic Art that's not comparable to Edo's learner alike. Yoruba ni Ba yín( Yoruba is your father).

OlaoChi:
from an official website created by his family

david na zee you dey desperate pass ibo man ..you be half ibo and half edo abi spinning jokes like a comedian do research stop fabricating stories out of your deluded mind


The problem is people are misconstruing Oduduwa the creator of the first land on earth through Eledumare God almighty that ascend from heaven through a golden chain with AKA oduduwa the king ..Olofin Adimula adopted the name or he was believe to be the re carnation of Oduduwa the irumole father of all through his unification of all earlier obas in the first kingdom ..we had sixten obas which are now chiefs in Ife .Obailoran Obalufe Obalepon..Obalara obalesu.. obalufe is the second in command Like Alafin Tela Oko A.K.A Sango Irumole he was given the name of Sango through his attributes and mystical power of making lighting and thunder bolt and spitting of fire from his mouth attribute of sango the irumole

Obalufon:
david na zee you dey desperate pass ibo man ..you be half ibo and half edo abi spinning jokes like a comedian do research stop fabricating stories out of your deluded mind

Olaochi is not that liar known as davidnazee. Kindly don't mix 'em up..

Olu317:
Olaochi is not that liar known as davidnazee. Kindly don't mix 'em up..

sorry

prolog2:
archeological dug outs are not considered art (at least not by me).
Yet nothing proves that they belong to your people (as I already stated).
It is possible that those were made by previous inhabitants of ife.
As for the "realism" well keep blowing "your" own horn because nobody else will.
Anyway, you have a better claim on these ife dug out things than on actual proven Edo artwork.

my guy shut ur ass up. Art was dug up from edo it belongs to edo. Art was dug up from ife with the same crown the Ooni still wears today and it is “possibly made by previous inhabitants” nonsense what previous inhabitants just coz the realism is better than ur edo own. Watch the video and see how the British themselves are blowing the horn of the realism themselves. I won’t be surprised if u say the people in the video are Yoruba or they have collide with yoruba. Shameless guy