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hopefulLandlord:
Lmao! I wonder why Christians are still putting their nose on the grindstone just like the heathens when all they have to do is speak money into their hands and foods into their stomachs, maybe speak babies into existence rather than go through the laborious sex and 9 moths discomfort punctuated by excruciating labour or speak healthy teeth into their mouth instead of going to the dentist or speak Leah Sheribu out of captivity

Are you saying all the Christians of the bible spoke every single into existence?

RuthlessLeader:
I`m saying that the god you believe in does not exist and even if he does, I would never want to worship and praise his barbaric character. I know you can`t justify anything i wrote up there so you are doing this. This just means that on some level you know your god is morally inferior to you. why don`t you just give him up? You won`t die, there is nothing to be afraid of, no devil will come for you in the night and your life will not get worse than it already is.

So you do not want me to believe in God?

dalaman:
Do you believe that Yahweh created humans or not? Are you trying to throw him under the bus?

lol, you can't cross the redline shey

RuthlessLeader:
When confronted with the size and scale of the universe and the myriad forms of evil, disasters, pain, and suffering, it doesn’t take a genius to realize that the world described by Christianity does not match the world in which we live.

Because evil exist, God does not exist?

ButterflyLeo and winner01, if christianity is the true religion why did god fail with judaism, isn`t he supposed to be perfect and omniscient, in fact why didn`t god just make adam and eve give birth to jesus to save them from their sins and free us all this wahala.

RuthlessLeader:
The cumulative effect of prayer is zero
Prayers have been addressed to the Christian god for almost 2000 years and so, given the promises that Jesus made about answering these prayers, we should be able to see the long-term effects of God’s holy mercy and promises kept. But it’s not there. The following is an excerpt from an essay on:

http://new.exchristian.net/2015/11/were-on-our-own.html

So where is this God? Where is the God of the parking spaces and the greeting cards when 150 human beings are being senselessly butchered in the name of religion? Where is the net result of 2.4 billion prayers? Where is the result of 2,000 years worth of prayer? If this God existed and deigned to answer prayer, this planet would be completely different. But look around. Look for those answers. There are none.

We are on our own, people. There is no God out there. It’s time to finally come to terms with that, as a species. It’s time to stop praying and start taking matters into our own hands. The only ones who can save the humans are the humans. We must be our own salvation…

Everytime I think of Paris I get so f*cking angry. Religion did this. What is ISIS if not religion out of control? Religion has been killing humans ever since humans had religion.

Enough is enough.

So get your head out of your own ass. This ain’t no fuckin’ fairy tale. We are on our own…

The author of this piece is the proverbial boy stating that the emperor is naked, while everyone else is pretending to see his glorious garments. The evidence is irrefutable- 2000 years of prayers should have made a big difference, and the world would be a very different place if Christianity or any other religion was true. The sooner we realize we are on our own, the better chance we will have to make the world a decent place to live.

Still Horseshoe*t.

How did humans get here? Why are atheists avoiding this question?

winner01:
So you do not want me to believe in God?

Lol he wishes to indoctrinate you with his version of atheism lmao

His own version is based on hatred.

RuthlessLeader:
ButterflyLeo and winner01, if christianity is the true religion why did god fail with judaism, isn`t he supposed to be perfect and omniscient, in fact why didn`t god just make adam and eve give birth to jesus to save them from their sins and free us all this wahala.

lol, I'm not here to debate Christianity with you, if you go through my threads, you'll know that. You'll need to be spiritually aware before I can discuss such topic with you.

I'm here for the numerous inconsistencies of atheism
So how did humans get here and why are atheists running from this question?

winner01:
Because evil exist, God does not exist?

Read Isaiah 45:7, god even confirms that he creates evil, so he can`t be all good and all loving right?

Butterflyleo:
Can you show me the first man or group of people who "invented" God?

I need evidence for your claim and not your usual nonsense you always type. Can you show them to me now?

Which of the Gods are we talking about? Is it those that worshipped the sun, moon and mountains as God? Is it those that created Yahweh? Brahma, Olodumare, Allah , Amun Ra, Brahma ? or the many God men out there? Which of these Gods because they are ALL different. There are many different Gods tell me which one and I'll tell you how hey were created and came about. Your own Jesus was created like 2000 years ago by people that are well known out of an.already existing God idea of the Jews.

RuthlessLeader:
The cumulative effect of prayer is zero
Prayers have been addressed to the Christian god for almost 2000 years and so, given the promises that Jesus made about answering these prayers, we should be able to see the long-term effects of God’s holy mercy and promises kept. But it’s not there. The following is an excerpt from an essay on:

http://new.exchristian.net/2015/11/were-on-our-own.html

So where is this God? Where is the God of the parking spaces and the greeting cards when 150 human beings are being senselessly butchered in the name of religion? Where is the net result of 2.4 billion prayers? Where is the result of 2,000 years worth of prayer? If this God existed and deigned to answer prayer, this planet would be completely different. But look around. Look for those answers. There are none.

We are on our own, people. There is no God out there. It’s time to finally come to terms with that, as a species. It’s time to stop praying and start taking matters into our own hands. The only ones who can save the humans are the humans. We must be our own salvation…

Everytime I think of Paris I get so f*cking angry. Religion did this. What is ISIS if not religion out of control? Religion has been killing humans ever since humans had religion.

Enough is enough.

So get your head out of your own ass. This ain’t no fuckin’ fairy tale. We are on our own…

The author of this piece is the proverbial boy stating that the emperor is naked, while everyone else is pretending to see his glorious garments. The evidence is irrefutable- 2000 years of prayers should have made a big difference, and the world would be a very different place if Christianity or any other religion was true. The sooner we realize we are on our own, the better chance we will have to make the world a decent place to live.

You're really a fresh atheist.

Else you should know better, no atheist here will say religion has cause more deaths that atheism, not after the numerous historical evidence we've provided.

Butterflyleo:
Lol he wishes to indoctrinate you with his version of atheism lmao

His own version is based on hatred.

Lol. "So you dont want me to believe in God with you", No atheist can answer that question. It will project them as evangelists

RuthlessLeader:
Read Isaiah 45:7, god even confirms that he creates evil, so he can`t be all good and all loving right?

He created evil and so he does not exist right?

RuthlessLeader:
ButterflyLeo and winner01, if christianity is the true religion why did god fail with judaism, isn`t he supposed to be perfect and omniscient, in fact why didn`t god just make adam and eve give birth to jesus to save them from their sins and free us all this wahala.

You keep posting childish arguments.

Hebrews 10 dealt with your childishness thousands of years ago.

10 For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect. 2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? For the worshipers, once purified, would have had no more consciousness of sins. 3 But in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year. 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins.


5 Therefore, when He came into the world, He said:

“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,
But a body You have prepared for Me.
6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin
You had no pleasure.
7 Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come—
In the volume of the book it is written of Me—
To do Your will, O God.’”[a]
8 Previously saying, “Sacrifice and offering, burnt offerings, and offerings for sin You did not desire, nor had pleasure in them” (which are offered according to the law), 9 then He said, “Behold, I have come to do Your will, O God.”[b] He takes away the first that He may establish the second. 10 By that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.


11 And every priest stands ministering daily and offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12 But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God, 13 from that time waiting till His enemies are made His footstool. 14 For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified.

15 But the Holy Spirit also witnesses to us; for after He had said before,

16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them,”[c] 17 then He adds, “Their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”[d] 18 Now where there is remission of these, there is no longer an offering for sin.


19 Therefore, brethren, having boldness to enter the Holiest by the blood of Jesus, 20 by a new and living way which He consecrated for us, through the veil, that is, His flesh, 21 and having a High Priest over the house of God, 22 let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water. 23 Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful. 24 And let us consider one another in order to stir up love and good works, 25 not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching.


26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,”[e] says the Lord.[f] And again, “The Lord will judge His people.”[g] 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

32 But recall the former days in which, after you were illuminated, you endured a great struggle with sufferings: 33 partly while you were made a spectacle both by reproaches and tribulations, and partly while you became companions of those who were so treated; 34 for you had compassion on me[h] in my chains, and joyfully accepted the plundering of your goods, knowing that you have a better and an enduring possession for yourselves in heaven.[i] 35 Therefore do not cast away your confidence, which has great reward. 36 For you have need of endurance, so that after you have done the will of God, you may receive the promise:

37 “For yet a little while,
And He[j] who is coming will come and will not tarry.
38 Now the[k] just shall live by faith;
But if anyone draws back,
My soul has no pleasure in him.”[l]
39 But we are not of those who draw back to perdition, but of those who believe to the saving of the soul

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Every teacher expects his lesson to be taught and understood. You cannot understand anything in isolation. You need a reference. Every teacher needs a reference in order to push his point.

Hebrews 10 just told you that Judaism was a reference to the the reality in Christ.

I repeat, you have a really long way to go.

winner01:
lol, I'm not here yo debate Christianity with you, if you go through my threads, you'll know that.

I'm here for the numerous inconsistencies of atheism
So how did humans get here and why are atheists running from this question?

Human (scientific name Homo sapiens sapiens) is the common name of the primate species also known as the East African Plains Ape, the dominant tool-using species on the third planet (counting outwards) of some backwater minor star. Our species has only been on earth in its modern form for about 200,000 years and we evolved from a common ancestor we shared with the chimpanzee o just forget it...

It is very obvious that no matter how much evidence we bring, you won`t accept it, and your pseudo skepticism/intellectualism will make you appear dumber than you really are

winner01:
lol, you can't cross the redline shey

Answer the question I asked you.

dalaman:
Which of the Gods are we talking about? Is it those that worshipped the sun, moon and mountains as God? Is it those that created Yahweh? Brahma, Olodumare, Allah , Amun Ra, Brahma ? or the many God men out there? Which of these Gods because they are ALL different. There are many different Gods tell me which one and I'll tell you how hey were created and came about. Your own Jesus was created like 2000 years ago by people that are well known out of an.already existing God idea of the Jews.

Your statement which I responded to did not specify any God or gods so I am simply following your line of thought.

Simply show me the first man or group of humans who invented God. (I don't care whichever one). Go ahead and show me this evidence.

There must have been a beginning to this your much acclaimed invention of God so show it to me.

RuthlessLeader:
Human (scientific name Homo sapiens sapiens) is the common name of the primate species also known as the East African Plains Ape, the dominant tool-using species on the third planet (counting outwards) of some backwater minor star. Our species has only been on earth in its modern form for about 200,000 years and we evolved from a common ancestor we shared with the chimpanzee o just forget it...

It is very obvious that no matter how much evidence we bring, you won`t accept it, and your pseudo skepticism/intellectualism will make you appear dumber than you really are

No need to call me names


What is the name of this common ancestor and where can we find them?

Butterflyleo:
You keep posting childish arguments.

Hebrews 10 dealt with your childishness thousands of years ago.
.

Every teacher expects his lesson to be taught and understood. You cannot understand anything in isolation. You need a reference. Every teacher needs a reference in order to push his point.

Hebrews 10 just told you that Judaism was a reference to the the reality in Christ.

I repeat, you have a really long way to go.

lwkmd, didn`t you already repeat this sentence before, okay why didn`t god make eve conceive jesus to save them from their sins, nothing was stopping him from doing that.

dalaman:
Answer the question I asked you.

You ignore my question and create a question for me based on what you think is my opinion?

Are you okay?

winner01:
No need to call me names


What is the name of this common ancestor and where can we find them?

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/List_of_transitional_forms#Non-human_primate_to_human I hope this helps.

Butterflyleo:
Your statement which I responded to did not specify any God or gods so I am simply following your line of thought.

Simply show me the first man or group of humans who invented God. (I don't care whichever one). Go ahead and show me this evidence.

There must have been a beginning to this your much acclaimed invention of God so show it to me.

Your lies will not let you be. The post clearly explained the different types of Gods and even gave examples of each, but in your usual lie lie fashion you want to spin it into something else. Which God are we talking about because there are many different Gods that humans have invented and are worshipping. Which God are you referring to?

RuthlessLeader:
lwkmd, didn`t you already repeat this sentence before, okay why didn`t god make eve conceive jesus to save them from their sins, nothing was stopping him from doing that.

Okay Your Creator needed to do something that makes sense to you, to prove that He exists?

You really think so highly of yourself

RuthlessLeader:
Human (scientific name Homo sapiens sapiens) is the common name of the primate species also known as the East African Plains Ape, the dominant tool-using species on the third planet (counting outwards) of some backwater minor star. Our species has only been on earth in its modern form for about 200,000 years and we evolved from a common ancestor we shared with the chimpanzee o just forget it...

It is very obvious that no matter how much evidence we bring, you won`t accept it, and your pseudo skepticism/intellectualism will make you appear dumber than you really are

So humans in its current form have only been around for about 200,000 years right?

Based on your comment and the fact that evolution is said to take MILLIONS OF YEARS to occur, we should have INTERMEDIATE SPECIES running around EVERYWHERE. So where are they?

winner01:
You ignore my question and create a question for me based on what you think is my opinion?

Are you okay?

My first post to you was a question that you never answered, you still refused answer the ones that followed. Ogbeni answer them.

Butterflyleo:
Words create your reality whether you believe it or not. Reality is made up of your language being projected and those words create reality. This is all by willful choice of course, and can change along with the change of your will. You could say WORDS ARE LIVING THINGS BECAUSE WORDS CREATE!

Psychologists know this and you would often hear a psychologist saying that our subconscious mind interprets what it hears quite literally. The words that come out of our mouth therefore create the reality we dwell in.

Unconsciously a lot of people sabotage their success simply by using language that undermines their opinions and rather amplifies their problems and eats away at their confidence.

The words that come out of your mouth create the reality you dwell in for real and whatever direction your words lead, your mind, body and environment will follow. If you use positive language about yourself and your ability to learn new skills, achieve greater goals and rise above difficulties, then that’s what will show up externally.
Likewise, if you're continually saying things that affirm incompetence, hopelessness, anxiety or pessimism, then that will also shape your reality. It may sound crazy, but over time your world will metamorphosise to mirror your words. This is the trick behind brainwashing and also the sad reality about the hopelessness of atheism and why a lot of them are depressed and suicidal. Its simply because their reality is viewed as hopeless (which by the way is the truth) so the more they dwell in that reality and declare that reality in words, the more their world morphs into that reality.

By this there shouldn't be poor people in Nigeria, I've not seen Nigerians saying he/she love to be poor.

dalaman:
Your lies will not let you be. The post clearly explained the different types of Gods and even gave examples of each, but in your usual lie lie fashion you want to spin it into something else. Which God are we talking about because there are many different Gods that humans have invented and are worshipping. Which God are you referring to?

You are being too desperate which is your usual manner.

I am actually making your job and this evidence easier for you.

I said, I don't care whichever God or gods were invented. All I want is your verifiable evidence for the first man or group of humans who you say invented God.

Show it to me and stop beating around this bush that is already tired of your beating

Butterflyleo:
So humans in its current form have only been around for about 200,000 years right?

Based on your comment and the fact that evolution is said to take MILLIONS OF YEARS to occur, we should have INTERMEDIATE SPECIES running around EVERYWHERE. So where are they?

They were wiped out due to competition for food and territory. and besides, since god created us from dust, why is there still dust.

winner01:
Dishonesty?

So I didn't prove that mere words can create a scene or a living?

Nawa ...

So it's mere words that create tickets for the show or it's mere words that the hall, stage magically form?

RuthlessLeader:
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/List_of_transitional_forms#Non-human_primate_to_human I hope this helps.

Wikipedia is co-owned by an atheist, Jimmy wales, an avowed atheist, more desperate than you'll ever be. This is why topics like God, Christianity, theism and related have been compromised on wikipedia.
I mentioned that here: https://www.nairaland.com/2917639/much-better-explanation-evolution
You must be new here.

Now back to the question, give me any 5 transitional fossil that you wish and lets subject it to scrutiny right here based on archeological and historical evidence. That shouldn't be difficult now, would it

Butterflyleo:
You are being too desperate which is your usual manner.

I am actually making your job and this evidence easier for you.

I said, I don't care whichever God or gods were invented. All I want is your verifiable evidence for the first man or group of humans who you say invented God.

Show it to me and stop beating around this bush that is already tired of your beating

First group of Humans that invented which God? Is it Yahewh?

Butterflyleo:
So humans in its current form have only been around for about 200,000 years right?

Based on your comment and the fact that evolution is said to take MILLIONS OF YEARS to occur, we should have INTERMEDIATE SPECIES running around EVERYWHERE. So where are they?

Nash, they're gonna ignore Darwin's suggestions and provide just 1 or 2 extinct species of monkeys.