Riofidelio:
Today Sir your child in the chemistry class could carry highly destructive CHEMICALS or ACIDS,of course you're sure you never taught your child to harm people so it must be to teach him/her something related to chemistry. The ONLY way Jesus can instill in the minds of His Jewish followers is to allow them have swords but never to use it even at the cost of their lives! That's why you can NEVER read in the Bible where Christians do anything by force or with the use of weapons despite all that the Jews did to them!

Riofidelio:
Yes Sir! But He never thought them how to use it like other leaders if a Christian should use a weapon to kill someone today he need to ask himself "did Jesus taught me this?" because we're to imitate whatever we find him doing,instead He taught them NEVER to lead by the sword (Matthew 26:52) and to always pray for their enemies (Matthew 5:44) that's why we came to conclude that Jesus wanted to used the sword to teach them another important lesson Sir!

M0ron:


You are not the sharpest tool in the box.

Name other purposes or use for the swords apart from offense and defense. I bet they were to be used for root canal or walking sticks, or digging a grave, or fighting wild animals

You had suggested that he was addressing a Jewish audience meaning whatever he said is not applicable to you the Gentile. So could it be that even the praying for enemies and not using swords were equally meant for the immediate Jewish audience and not you?

Please don't waste my time barking all over until you address the reason behind Jesus arming his disciples with deadly weapons

Riofidelio:
Sorry Sir we're not for arguments, we're ONLY to make presentations of our Faith (Matthew 10:11-14)and if it's not appealing to you OK,it's a free world that's why America (today's world power) has declared freedom of expression "freedom of worship" so please suit yourself! Phillipians 2:14

M0ron:

Your presentation is deficient and indefensible.

Once again, what is the purpose of arming hitherto unarmed disciples?

Why don’t you bear arms but never intend to use them as well?

proudkafir:
Any group, organization or body that discourages its members from national security services such as police, air force, civil defense, navy, and other security organization should be banned. It is an act of civil disobedience, if at the time of national crisis/emergency, that requires able men and women, to defend their home, community, for any group to chose neutrality while others die to defend the same people that chose neutrality.

If there is a country called the 'Jehovah witness nation' and all her citizens Jehovah's witnesses, that will be good. They can make a law forbidding weapons and the formation and ownership of security forces. Its unfortunate no nation can operate and be formed on that basis in this modern age and time.

JW should stop living in an Utopian paradise which only existed in their imagination and on the front pages on the watchtower magazines.

Riofidelio:
Please Sir do you agree with freedom of expression and worship? Or do you choose to infringe on other people's right and forcing them to agree with your ideology?.

proudkafir:
Any religion that violates civil law of any land should be outlawed. No religion should be above the law of the land. If any religion discourages it members from compulsory civil responsibilities of any land, such religion should be banned in the affected country.

As I said earlier, JW's paradise exist only on the front page of the watchtower magazines and on the imaginations of its 'loyal' and 'discreet' slaves.

Riofidelio:
Well Sir that's your opinion,and others should say their mind. NOBODY should play the God here forcing people to do things against their will! It's either you speak to people like you to convince them or persuade them with gifts but forcing people to do things against their own will is inhuman meaning humans like you can't choose what they want to do. Please there is what is called fundamental human rights, we're not living in Arab countries or amongst animals who can't understand that humans have rights!

Riofidelio:
We're followers of the young man from Nazareth who NEVER make use of the sword(weapons) had it been He taught US how to use it we'll surely be making use of it but since He never did we don't go for training to use it on anybody! Isaiah 2:4 That's why i as one of His followers today am telling you the purpose why He told our first set to get it but NEVER used it and gradually it became our custom to make use of it in the spiritual sense! Ephesians 6:17 Hebrews 4:12

proudkafir:
Voluntary civil disobedience has nothing to do with someone expressing his 'fundamental human right'. There is a need for law and order in any given society, which helps regulate the life and conduct of every citizen. I don't think JW spends time to teach their 'discreet slaves' the importance of obedience to a politically constituted authority hence your failure to draw the line between freedom of expression and compulsory civil responsibility. In a country like Israel and Russia, all citizens between the ages of 18-20 years must undergo a compulsory military and paramilitary training, irrespective of your religion or belief system. And for an organization, whose headquarters is in the US, to advise its members in Russia, not to participate in these training is a complete show of rebellion, which the JW had consistently failed to understand. The only thing a rational govt is expected to do is to proscribe the organization, which the Russian govt had done.

Until you separate religious dogma from present sociopolitical realities, you will continue seeing yourself a victim of govt policies and decisions. The world we are is a hostile place and all nation formulate policies that meet current global challenge.

In the Bible, nowhere God forbade people from enrolling in military service. Cornelius was a military man and a gentile who accepted Jesus Christ and the apostles didn't ask him to resign from his military career. The centurion, who Jesus healed his daughter, was a military man and Jesus never asked him to resign from his military career. Until you learn to study the Bible independently, and not blindly follow the watchtower's 'what the Bible really teaches' booklet, the men at Brooklyn, in NY headquarters of the watchtowers will keep brainwashing you and make you go against law and order, in the name of 'Bible truth'.

M0ron:


He did make use of swords; he armed his unarmed disciples
I suggest you walk around with a sword and a gun the thou never intend to use ...that’s is if you really are a follower of Jesus.

Riofidelio:
Sorry Sir it's our trained conscience that's telling US not to kill people because they're doing things the wrong way! We believe we can always settle matters amicably without the use of weapons. But if some have rendered their conscience dead out of racism or sentiment we're no part of them! John 17:16

proudkafir:
I'm sorry bro, the watchtower brainwashing has gone too deep into your subconscious mind. Man have for thousands of yours had been engaging in wars and battle for land and resources; it is part and parcel of human nature.

The utopia paradise you are expecting after your so-called Armageddon is a fantasy in a comic book. The world will remain a place of different type of people and lifestyle, some of who are naturally militarilistic. For thousands of years, peace are maintained by power of arms and at times wars are fought for peace to reign and map redrawn.

The current land you occupy or live today was made possible through war and men are raised and trained to protect it against external incursion. I don't know how old you are but your reasoning seems too low to comprehend rational and nonreligious conversation. Have a great day man!

M0ron:
Buffoon please understand where the rhetorical question came from

proudkafir:
I'm sorry bro, the watchtower brainwashing has gone too deep into your subconscious mind.

M0ron:


why not join the army, take up AK47 or M16 and rocket launchers but never use it so you may learn how to never harm men with them. Ain't you supposed to follow Christ

I see you are sheepishly trying to suggest that whatever he did was restricted to Jews. In the which I may suggest that his peace was as well meant for Jews? Very silly

So for the umpteenth time name the uses of sword apart from offense and defense. Let me help...hmmm swords can be used for root canal, they can be used as a stylus for iPads, practicing Taichi...carry on

M0ron:


You are not the sharpest tool in the box.

Name other purposes or use for the swords apart from offense and defense. I bet they were to be used for root canal or walking sticks, or digging a grave, or fighting wild animals

You had suggested that he was addressing a Jewish audience meaning whatever he said is not applicable to you the Gentile. So could it be that even the praying for enemies and not using swords were equally meant for the immediate Jewish audience and not you?

Please don't waste my time barking all over until you address the reason behind Jesus arming his disciples with deadly weapons

enimooko:


You went to school....but the school did not completely go through you. This your question gives you away as a product of dogmatic Pentecostal brainwashing
Please Mr M0r0n if you are ready to confess to us other purposes, and usages and contextual meanings and non-contextual meanings or use for the word sword apart from offense and defense, you and your father will receive the mercy of God. No wonder your forefathers labeled you accursed...Mtchewwwww

enimooko:
Now struggling to breathe. Why is Russia afraid of JWs? ...and why are you addicted to JWs like you like the Russian counterparts?

Riofidelio:
I believe i've made myself clear with regards to weapons but if you feel you need weapons to survive or to live a PEACEFUL life please suit yourself!

proudkafir:
Any religion that violates civil law of any land should be outlawed. No religion should be above the law of the land. If any religion discourages it members from compulsory civil responsibilities of any land, such religion should be banned in the affected country. As I said earlier, JW's paradise exist only on the front page of the watchtower magazines and on the imaginations of its 'loyal' and 'discreet' slaves.

M0ron:

I’m responding to a thread by some buffoons here

It’s part of my giving back to society; educating fools

M0ron:


Oh, the swords were for swatting mosquitoes

proudkafir:


1. Voluntary civil disobedience has nothing to do with someone expressing his 'fundamental human right'. There is a need for law and order in any given society, which helps regulate the life and conduct of every citizen. I don't think JW spends time to teach their 'discreet slaves' the importance of obedience to a politically constituted authority hence your failure to draw the line between freedom of expression and compulsory civil responsibility.


1. In the Bible, nowhere God encouraged Voluntary civil disobedience. the only compulsory civil responsibility preached is obedience, pay your tax and other similar matters


2. In a country like Israel and Russia, all citizens between the ages of 18-20 years must undergo a compulsory military and paramilitary training, irrespective of your religion or belief system. And for an organization, whose headquarters is in the US, to advise its members in Russia, not to participate in these training is a complete show of rebellion, which the JW had consistently failed to understand. The only thing a rational govt is expected to do is to proscribe the organization, which the Russian govt had done.

2. Jesus knew exactly that his disciples would be proscribed. Worldly ideologies will forever conflict with Godly principles. The desire to conform led US evangelist, elder Billy Graham, to become Pro-Israel in public, but deriding the Jews in private

3. Until you separate religious dogma from present sociopolitical realities, you will continue seeing yourself a victim of govt policies and decisions. The world we are is a hostile place and all nation formulate policies that meet current global challenge.

3. Until you separate religious truth from church dogma and STAY AWAY from present sociopolitical realities, you will continue to to become a part of the world. The world we are is a hostile place and will continue to get from bad to worse. But servants of God will continue to be happy, why the world will continue to pine away in hopelessness and disappointment.

4. In the Bible, nowhere God forbade people from enrolling in military service.
4. FALSE

5 Cornelius was a military man and a gentile who accepted Jesus Christ and the apostles didn't ask him to resign from his military career. The centurion, who Jesus healed his daughter, was a military man and Jesus never asked him to resign from his military career.
5. FALSE AND HALF TRUTHS


6. Until you learn to study the Bible independently,
6. Beware of the Devil. Study the bible on your own but never isolate yourself from bible teaching, never be the island prophet, never descend into the valley of mediocrity

7. and not blindly follow the watchtower's 'what the Bible really teaches' booklet, the men at Brooklyn, in NY headquarters of the watchtowers will keep brainwashing you and make you go against law and order, in the name of 'Bible truth'.
7. Actually, if you've been relying on the teaching of trinity, hellfire, instant salvation, tithes, bazaars, world conversion, limbo, purgatory, saints, rapture, night vigil, once saved always saved, Easter, Christmas, new year, infant baptism, immortality of the human soul, reincarnation, titled clergy then you have been blindly following the the Russian oligarchs, pagan emperors of roman empire, king James of England, jet loving reverends, tithe takers, money loving pastors, lying anointed men of crusades etc and have been brainwashed by inadequate research materials and fake revisionists. you have been fooled! What you need to do is to step out and grab McMillans Faith on the March on Amazon, grab the watchtower and 'what the Bible really teaches' booklet, and listen to the men at Brooklyn, in NY headquarters. Let the watchtowers brainwash the devils antics away from you, so that you may keep the law and order of christ, in the name of 'Bible truth'

enimooko:
IF that is what the Pentecostal holy ghost told you... Mosquitoes and swords...who am I to argue further.

enimooko:
OK, but that dosen't answer the question...Why is Russia afraid of JWs? ...and why are you addicted to JWs like your Russian counterparts?

M0ron:

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You may believe whatever you wish but you haven’t

Do you bear arms yourself just to train yourself restraint against their use?

orunto27:
Do unto God what's God's and to Caesar what's Caesar's. In as much as no one is forced to have 666 on his or her forehead, Jehovah Witness should be a Russian in Russia and bow to the Russian Orthodox church and the election-meddling of the KGB!.

M0ron:

Why did Jesus arm his unarmed disciples?