₦airaland Forum

Daejoyoung:
lol is this the best you can come up with? Sunil Vaswsni is also a British citizen and he doesn't have his major establishments in Nigeria dominating the Nigerian business scene like say Dangote, Elumelu, Abdul, and Adenuga, that is my point.
l know you get the point but you are joking of course or you only wanna sound controversial.
The biggest indigenous conglomerates in Kenya are by the Hindi Kenyans, and l have no problem with that, l am only more concerned about the other Kenyans.

theenchanter:
all humans are the same.... forget Kenyan or other Kenyan or Hindi Kenyan n so.

Nowenuse:
Thank you. This is exactly the reason why a country like Kenya would never be taken seriously.
Everything about Kenya is in Nairobi.

Take away Nairobi from Kenya and Somalia would be better than the outcome.

You see, this is one reason why people think Kenya is better than Nigeria.
Since the Independence of Kenya, the Kenyan government has spent virtually all it's money into Nairobi alone. Why do you think Nairobi has the largest slums in the world?
There are no opportunities elsewhere in Kenya, hence every Kenyan from the nook and crannies of Kenya want to live in Nairobi...

If not for the secessionist agitations of the coastal swahilis of Kenya, the Kenyan govt would have never thought of developing Mombasa (the major port city of Kenya).

Haven't you wondered why Kenya is still an overwhelmingly rural country?

Nigeria on the other hand is a predominantly urban country and the country through the state governments simultaneously manage dozens of cities and urban areas.

Take me for instance, I am from a middle class Nigerian family. My father was also from a middle class family, likewise my grandfather.
We have never really known what poverty is in my lineage for generations now. With all this, neither I nor any of my family members or even extended families have lived in Lagos or had any connection with Lagos. Neither of us live in Abuja either. And there are so many million others like me all over Nigeria.

In a country like Kenya, this is almost non-existent. Almost every middle class kenyan or at least 90% of Kenya's middle class live in Nairobi.

If anyone here doubts me, let all the Kenyans here tell you where they live or earn their living from, it is always Nairobi.

There are over 40 million middle-class Nigerians and majority of us do not live in Lagos or even have any connection with Lagos.

This tells you how uneven development is in Kenya compared to Nigeria. This is why no reasonable person should take Kenya with high esteem or any seriousness when it comes to the kind of development they brag about in their country.

Obi1kenobi, Obaaderemi, TayserMahiri, kikuyu1

Nowenuse:
You my friend are not being fair in your analogies.

China is populated 98% by ethnic Han chinese. The minorities in China are just there on paper. They absolutely have no say how the central government is run. They even barely have control over their own state governments. So, bringing in a country like China when we are talking of multi-ethnicity in comparison to that of Nigeria, I see it as very dumb (I'm sorry if my statement appears harsh).

As for South Africa, Kenya, Ghana etc , you also forget that these countries also have a form a majority uniform population under one criterion or the other, which at least offers some form of workability or similarity in reasoning.

Both Kenya and SA have a black bantu christian majority population. In Ghana, the Akan people and the Christians are the majority with over half of the population.
So, in most of these countries, the minority ethnic, racial or religious groups usually accept the leadership of the majority to an extent, with little or no opposition.

Nigeria right from time has never had a majority in anything! If you think we do, please show me.

In religion we are 50/50 christian/muslim and both religions are at loggerheads over domination.

There is no ethnic majority in Nigeria as the yorubas, Igbos and Hausas have equal majority status in Nigeria with almost equal population and are always at loggerheads.

Now, this was why we had a decentralized regional govt in the past which to a large extent favoured our development.
However, don't forget that minority groups which comprise almost 40% of Nigeria's population were under 'pains and bondage' during the regional govts.

Although of course, a regional govt was still a better option, but it still did not enliminate the ethno-religious rivalry in Nigeria, did it? It was that still the same rivalry that brought about the first coup that led us to the civil war, or not?
Other groups or religion would still feel dissatisfied about the domination of one ethnic group or religion at the central government.

mtis:
What is wrong with Nigeria?



4 .There’s also a subservient attitude that’s enshrined in Nigerian cultures. This allows so called rulers cum people in power to oppress the masses. This is only possible because the people allow a lot of nonsense to continue.

Danielnino00:
Relief Atletico visit to Nigeria......

Nowenuse:
A large percentage of Northern Nigerian muslims have been literate in the Arabic script for over a hundred years before colonialism.
This is why we have Arabic writings on our naira notes.

sufferNsmiling:
See what other african countries are doing what we nigerians are doing wedding and parties. please read this very well

This is Africa’s most overlooked achievement, and it's changing the lives of millions.
Africa’s energy revolution, one of the biggest overlooked stories of our time, is poised to change the lives of millions of Africans.

Why has it been overlooked? Coverage of Africa has tended to focus on disasters, coups and terrorism – or on swings in the price of oil and metals. These events have happened. But they do not define Africa. What defines modern Africa is the steady, remarkable progress it has been making for the past 15 years.

Let’s celebrate that progress – and the entrepreneurial spirit that is not only applying the latest technology to African contexts, but also generating new ideas and new techniques that can benefit the world.

The best-known example is Africa’s “leapfrogging” directly to mobile phones, bypassing landline connections and using mobiles to move money, consult farm prices and much more. The number of mobile phone subscriptions per 100 people soared from 18 in 2006 to 71 in 2014.

A less well-known example is Africa’s embrace of renewable energy to leapfrog older power generation technologies, while also reducing the need to extend the national energy grid to remote villages.

From an African perspective, renewable energy technologies such as solar and wind power, have two powerful advantages: speed and decentralization. They can be rolled out much more quickly than fossil fuel-fired power plants, and they can operate both on grid and off grid.

Small-scale renewable energy is starting to deliver the social and economic advantages of electrification to rural communities, helping improve public health, enabling access to education, and opening up economic possibilities to a continent of entrepreneurs.

Renewable energy systems will soon be able to cater to the most intensive and heavy demands of industry and other productive sectors. Kenya, for example, is a leading global producer of geothermal power. Its Olkaria plant is the biggest single-turbine geothermal facility in the world. In Ethiopia, the 1,870 MW Gibe III hydroelectric project has begun generation, and the Grand Ethiopian Renaissance Dam is expected to generate 6,000 MW at full capacity when it is completed in 2017.

The most stunning example of Africa’s embrace of renewable energy is the Ouarzazate complex in Morocco, which will be the world’s biggest solar facility and was also, in 2013, when it was constructed, one of the cheapest concentrated solar power plant to be financed.

Source: Climate Policy Initiative

Swift action on energy is vital, because Africa’s energy gap is huge, and bridging it is urgent. Two-thirds of Africans – 621 million people – live without access to electricity. Cut off from the grid, the world’s poorest people pay the world’s highest power prices. A woman in a rural village in northern Nigeria spends 60 to 80 times more per unit of energy than a resident of London or New York. This is a huge market failure.

The lack of modern energy also means that almost four in five Africans rely for cooking on wood, charcoal or other solid organic fuels. As a result, 600,000 people in the region die each year from household air pollution.

Luckily, momentum is building across the continent and the world to support African countries reach the global goal of universal access to electricity by 2030 – an effort that will require $55 billion a year.

The African Development Bank (AfDB), a major player on the continent, has made energy access one of its top priorities, and has launched an initiative called the New Deal for Energy in Africa. Many European governments, including France, Germany and the United Kingdom, are on board too.

The Paris Agreement, reached at the global climate talks last December, has added to the momentum by underscoring the need for governments around the world to address the twin challenge of decarbonizing energy systems while delivering energy for all.

Major emitting countries should put in place a credible carbon pricing and taxation system, instead of spending billions on fossil-fuel subsidies.

Across the African continent, energy entrepreneurs are vividly showing Africa’s potential to leapfrog to a low-carbon economy. An enabling environment must now be created to allow this growing pool of energy investors with innovative business models to thrive and reach new consumers.

Africa’s leaders must also rise to the challenge. They need to move more decisively to tackle vested interests and break up webs of political patronage in Africa’s energy utilities. They should also end subsidies to wasteful utilities, vehicle fuel and kerosene. These funds should be spent instead on productive energy investment, social protection and targeted electricity connectivity for the poor.

As a global community, we have the technology, finance and ingenuity to embark on a low-carbon transition that brings the benefits of modern energy to even the remotest village. There is no time to waste – let’s start now.

Daejoyoung:
lol is this the best you can come up with? Sunil Vaswsni is also a British citizen and he doesn't have his major establishments in Nigeria dominating the Nigerian business scene like say Dangote, Elumelu, Abdul, and Adenuga, that is my point.
l know you get the point but you are joking of course or you only wanna sound controversial.
The biggest indigenous conglomerates in Kenya are dominated by the Hindi Kenyans(except for a few), and l have no problem with that, l am only more concerned about the other Kenyans.

Danielnino00:
If having a huge literacy rate translates to human capital development, then Zimbabwe the supposedly most literate country in Africa won't have a poverty rate of 70% and an unemployment rate that's so low that about 90% of them work in the informal sector...But u know why Zimbabwe isn't always in the news for that? it's because their population is so small.. just 16 million people .not up to the population of Lagos...

theenchanter:
stop jumping up n down, mister..... u're easily misled. I'm a Nigerian n can authoritatively tell u it's false.

Daejoyoung:
lol is this the best you can come up with? Sunil Vaswsni is also a British citizen and he doesn't have his major establishments in Nigeria dominating the Nigerian business scene like say Dangote, Elumelu, Abdul, and Adenuga, that is my point.
l know you get the point but you are joking of course or you only wanna sound controversial.
The biggest indigenous conglomerates in Kenya are dominated by the Hindi Kenyans(except for a few), and l have no problem with that, l am only more concerned about the other Kenyans.

TayserMahiri:
With ur mouth or with credible evidence? Do you guys ever conduct population censuses?

nemesis8u:
"Stallion was ranked within the top 15 companies and was one the only two high ranked conglomerates along with the Dangote Group."

https://theeagleonline.com.ng/nigerian-government-lists-stallion-group-amongst-nigerias-top-businesses/


"in December 2014, Stallion Group was awarded amongst the top Nigerian conglomerates by the Federal Government of Nigeria and was recognised as the second largest conglomerate in the country that included several other prestigious multinational corporates. As key criteria for the awards, the Federal Government considered the amount of taxes paid, the employment generated, Corporate Social Responsibility and the companies' turnover."

https://globenewswire.com/news-release/2015/04/14/724341/10128805/en/Stallion-Group-Forges-Ahead-With-Africa-Expansion.html

u still don't get my point do u ?

no point is all this discussion , be it Nigerians be it Kenyans , be it indians those who r making money r doing so, while we r wasting our time here

And what will ur concern achieve ?

And will the Kenyans accept ur concern ?

And what if Kenyans start having concerns for Nigerians ?

And will the Nigerians accept their concern ?



Nowadays unsolicited concern is very dangerous

When West showed concern about Libya , Libya became a disaster

When West showed concern about syria , syria became a disaster

When Saudis showed concern about Yemen , Yemen became a disaster

Etc etc


Concerns r best left to the citizens of the concerned country.

So if I were u I will keep my concerns to myself , safer

rvp2018:
1m indians in Nigeria.Well last census Kenya had 80k Asians..majority of India or pakistani origins..about half are kenya citizens..mostly 3rd generation..and about half non kenyans.. mostly British citizen.There are very few indian indians in kenya coz our immigration is very strict.At independence we had 170k..most left in 1969 for Britain n Norty America as africanication of business was legalized.Unlike many africa countries like nigeria youd be hard pressed to find Indian or asian shopkeeper or such lowly traders in Nairobi.They were not allowed that free reign and they mostly do complex busineess like manufacturing, construction,phamaceticals, publishing, advertising.

TayserMahiri:
I have always wondered why other Africans cant learn from kenyan Indians on how to run family businesses btw. Indians dont do individual stuff, they do as a family or as families which works for them. Most black Africans are individual billionaires not family billionaires.

theenchanter:
the last national census was conducted in 2006.

Daejoyoung:
The Dantatas were family Billionares though. In Egypt there are also family Billionaires.

Daejoyoung:
You just wanna argue, he is also a British citizen, if you list him on the top twenty in Nigeria, you should also list him in England, he is a world business man who has Nigerian citizenship, this is different from the Kenyans who have their major economic boosters from lndian wealthy business men who dominate in Kenya except for the politicians in Kenya and a few other Kenyan business men.
Even if l concede this to you, this is just one man who is even more international than anything else(Google any Nigerian top twenty richest, he isn't there), how many of his kind can you find competing in Nigeria despite the free space given to them.
My point has been clear from the beginning.

nemesis8u:
the enthusiasm with which the participants here r fighting for the millionaires and billionaires of their countries.

It would be a shame if none of us r deemed worthy enough to even stand outside the mansions of the same beloved millionaires and billionaires and kicked out by them with the same unsolicited enthusiasm as we r displaying here on their behalf .

theenchanter:
lol, so many useless fights. . even d people we're all defending don't know about it.

TayserMahiri:
Having a high literacy rate is good, but not alone. It has to be accompanied by some other prevailing factors and you comprehend what Zim under Uncle has been through. You on the other hand have a very low literacy level, like Madagascar but then you have no valid external reason for being so illiterate

TayserMahiri:
So your point is that Kenya is better than Nigeria because it is smaller in population? You kinda said something.
Its true a big population can have a negative impact on how a country is managed but in the case of Nigeria, and strictly Nigeria, it is purely because of egg heads becoming leaders relentlessly. You guys elect egg heads after egg heads from time immemorial (well, when they dont elect themselves through the gun). Even the current one is an egg head you willingly elected, after he had elected himself decades earlier by the gun, and you still cheered this time like retards.

I like to see it this way Nowe, Nigeria makes so many babies. Of these many babies, only the most foolish become Nigerian leaders. The smart babies have no chance to rule because your system strictly favors the most foolish in your country.

TayserMahiri:
It requires special effort to deal with your ignorance.

First:

Kenya does not need anyone to take it seriously. The fact that you are here, 2000 pages later and the longest ever thread on NL tells you that Kenya does not need any effort to trend, not just here, but globally. You take us too seriously even from the comforts of our eastern shorelines! We came here after the noise you were making became too loud all the way in the west.

Take away Nairobi and Somalia would be a better outcome? I know you use codeine but I didnt know the effects are this much. Cut the crap!

Desperation will kill you and your brother Oba. Many Nigerians, the ones who have an open mind and more specifically the ones who have travelled to Kenya know without a doubt that Kenya is better than Nigeria in just about anything. You can conduct a campaign from Lagos to Maiduguri but only the few Nigerians of your ilk will believe your desperate lies. The only thing that makes Nigeria better than Kenya is that you were born in it, nothing else!

The secessionist agitation had nothing to do with development of Mombasa. And what do you mean by that btw? Nothing being done in Mombasa is out of the ordinare. One general rule in Kenya is if you try to grow horns (seccesion et al.) you get dehorned! and one of the most effective ways to dehorn wayward fellas is to marginalize them even further. We grab secessionists by the balls (and p*ssy) here, and the harder they try, the harder we squeeze. Ask N.E Somalis, after decades of that secession nonsense, now they are squarely supporting government after realizing they will forever remain a footnote in Kenya's progress. Same with other wayward groups, which arent many anyway! All developments going on at the coast (not Mombasa as you think) are part of Kenya's grand vision twedi dhate kickstarted by the immediate former Kibaki regime! Not to please secessionists! Those ones (the leaders) are mostly dead or too scared by now. I wish you could ask us to deal with your secessionists and see how effective we are!

Kenya is an overwhelmingly rural country because we never left our farms for minerals like you. And even when we start exporting oil in a couple years from now, we will still not run away like you Nigerians of little foresight ran away from farms and now you're leaving Nigeria altogether!

About Nigeria being predominantly urban, that word urban is really abused in your country. Take officials from any other country in the world and your urban areas would be down-scaled to settlements unworthy of human habitation.

Your last statement is a statement of PURE desperation. The kind of projects we have posted here and that will continue to be posted show that you have no case at all. From North to South, East to West, Kenya beats Nigeria in any indices. Its one reason why foreigners want to come to Kenya so bad but in Nigeria you have to beg foreigners to stay. Kenya will continue to be taken in high esteem everywhere around the world, whether emotional Nigerians like it or not. Heck, even this topic arose because of Kenya, of all countries in Africa. In swahili they say "Chema chajiuza, kibaya chajitembeza". We the Kenyans find ourselves trending for our amazing and positive news around the globe because we are doing legit stuff that no one affords to ignore.

254tobby:
Most indians who stay in Kenya are of Kenyan natives who were born,brought up and got educated in the Kenyan system,so they're Kenyan citizens just like the other black Kenyan citizens,they know Kenya as their mother country,they don't know india if you ask some of them.They usually dominate our manufacturing sector if not all and am pretty sure they also dominate dangote kids' manufacturing sector if not all,even your so called eko Atlantic project is a Lebanese project.

As for Kenyans who are making you to be deeply frustrated and concerned with what they dominate in the business assets,am going to shortlist some of the individuals,the rest you can go engage your mind with your fellow Nigerian haters.

SK Macharia,a Kenyan tycoon who owns royal media services, the biggest media company in East Africa..

Chris kirubi,a Kenyan multi millionaire who owns Two Rivers mall, the second largest mall in sub Sahara Africa after the mall of Africa in south Africa,he's also the biggest shareholder in Kenya Airways and Nairobi Security exchange.

Jimnah mbaru,jimmy wanjigi and even the wealthy class of Kenyan political families like biwott,moi,odinga and kenyatta also have some wealthy business assets,most of them are rich diversified prominent entrepreneurs.

They don't only become wealthy with oil thing as most of your millionaires' riches have been glorified in that sector.

Most wealthy class of Kenyan citizens are prominent entrepreneurs and business persons who have ventured into lots of investment in retail,financial services,agriculture,communication just to mention but a few.

THE KENYAN INDIANS ONLY DOMINATES OUR MANUFACTURING SECTOR.PERIOD!!!!

nwoke37:
As said earlier, Northern Nigeria is the one that's largely illiterate, they're also the poorest

The graph below shows states of Nigeria... The Northern states are the ones with low literacy which is dragging the whole Nigeria down. Southern Nigeria has average literacy rate of 80-90%

Just look at a state with a low litercy level, and it's certain it's a northern state..
https://guardian.ng/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/North-Infographics.jpg

Why do you think the igbos(part of Southern Nigeria) want secession(there was even a civil war). Many have clamored for the separation of Northern and Southern Nigeria. Heck when Gadaffi visited Nigeria, He advised Nigeria to split along those lines.

Poverty is very rife in Northern Nigeria with some states at 90% poverty level.

Ultimately Nigeria will need Northern Nigeria to radically reduce their poverty and illiteracy levels as Nigeria plays a defining role on the continent and perhaps on the world stage in the next half of this century...

I'm very optimistic about Nigeria. If Nigeria can stick together and not separate plus if Nigeria improves its health, education, and infrastructure as well as industrializes, 30 years from now Nigeria will be a different place and will dominate Africa as it's destined to do.

Kenya will be a regional power for some time and perhaps might rival South Africa as well as the upcoming Ethiopia in the future.

Danielnino00:
If having a huge literacy rate translates to human capital development, then Zimbabwe the supposedly most literate country in Africa won't have a poverty rate of 70% and an unemployment rate that's so low that about 90% of them work in the informal sector...But u know why Zimbabwe isn't always in the news for that? it's because their population is so small.. just 16 million people .not up to the population of Lagos...

Nowenuse:
Exactly, I guess a higher literacy rate doesn't guarantee more prosperity.

The little Indians who claim to be more educated than Nigeria, yet their middleclass percentage population is far lower than ours.