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| Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Olu317(m): 11:18pm On May 31, 2018*. Modified: 11:57pm On May 31, 2018 |
KingSango:Stop dabbling into what you have no knowledge on. I don't have any problem with you if you love and adore sango or Alaafin but putting the record straight is what this historical account is all about. Alaafin was powerful militarily but not the dreaded king, whose face wasn't seen. On the people, who signed the treaty after the kiriji war were many kings and not only Alaafin. In fact , a radical town of Ibadan,without a beaded crown was a major player during the war that led to sneaky treaty that was signed . Apart from the kings I mentioned,so also were Awujale,Alaake,Ooni,Owa Obokun etc. Below was a copper alloy of Ooni IFE,that was found to have existed around 14th century which dug out of Bini palace around 20th century with a veil on his face . Perhaps,you will understand the difference between physical might and spiritual might. You can also Google to check the most powerful Yoruba king,whose command stretches beyond the shore of Nigeria. 1 Like 1 Share
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| Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by KingSango(m): 11:22pm On May 31, 2018 |
Olu317:The Alaafin disputes anyone trying to usurp his supremacy over all Yorubas. As a follower of Sango I can't betray Sango. Think of what you are asking of me?  1 Like |
| Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 11:32pm On May 31, 2018 |
Moneywomen17:The only people going crazy here are your Yoruba brothers fighting and destroying each other as usual lol.. abi u no dey see them ��� 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by KingSango(m): 11:47pm On May 31, 2018 |
davidnazee:I'm not fighting. Sango is the King of Kings and that's it. |
| Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Olu317(m): 11:53pm On May 31, 2018 |
| Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by KingSango(m): 12:02am On Jun 01, 2018 |
Olu317:Oyo surrounds Ile Ife and the grandfather of Oba Adeyemi III, built the palace there before there was none. |
| Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by EdoNation(f): 12:19am On Jun 01, 2018 |
Shameless Yoruba's killing and fighting themselves on another Foreign tribes thread hahahaha shame shame SHAME!!  |
| Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by KingSango(m): 12:29am On Jun 01, 2018 |
EdoNation:No shame in getting the pecking order straight. |
| Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by MetaPhysical: 6:39am On Jun 01, 2018 |
KingSango:I thought you have an indepth knowledge of the history of Yoruba politics and priesthood. Am i mistaken? Just quick...if there is need to take a deep dive I suggest you open a new thread to share more rather than derail this one. So ancient Yoruba culture and civilization has always revolved around three conventions. 1 - The Sovereign Covenant. Consisting of the Priest-King rulership. 2 - The Orisha worship Consisting of the cosmic deities. 3 - Ifa Templar Consisting of the ancient sacred manuscript and the Order of Imole. 3 is the ASE code of living on the material plane. Mankind is destined for a life of benevolence but the physical world we live in is primarily a malevolent sphere. It barricades success and progress. It cannot be removed, but its effects can be softened. Ifa guides the way around these barricades so one's path is not deviated from destiny. It applies at individual or group level. This is for SELF SALVATION. 2 is the ORI in alignment to consciousness. Cosmos is a gateway between physical and metaphysical. This is the esoteric plane where matter reconciles itself with spirit and become one with truth. The divinities, the ancestors and the witnessing angel. This alignment is demonstrated in conduct and character. This is OMOLUABI and applies in INTERACTION WITH OTHERS. 1 - is a Covenant Order or a Constitution for Organizing and evolving society. This applies as a CAUSE & EFFECT of living phenomenally. The King-Priest is custodian of philosophical ideals of society and its civilization. Knwoledge, Arts, Worship, Aesthetics, Law, War, Peace....all fall under the King-Priest. Oyo, Benin, Sabe, Orangun, Popo, and so on were second-tier dynasties after the founding dynasty of Ife. We do not have much of written record of Ife as an Empire because its Imperial power had set by the time European scribes made contact. In fact Oyo almost ended in similar conclusion as we can see that while other seats of power had been visited by scribes and their history recorded, many only heard of Oyo....until the entry of Landers Brothers into the interior. Ife was the Holy City and also the capital of Yoruba. Edo Chiefs did not go to Oyo to request a Prince, they went to Ife. This acknowledges the position of Ife as a city of nation builders. Oranmiyan was unique in that the two Citadels of power and politics he founded became independent military capitals in Oyo and in Benin. The history and greatness of Ife revealed itself in a different manner....through excavations! The treasures underneath its soil revealed arts and ruins of ancient civilization. So Ife is always at the top of the heirarchy before Oyo, which came later but outgrew its parent city, Ile Ife. There should be no superiority contest between Oyo and Ife. In our modern times Lagos has outgrown Oyo. So should we say Lagos is superior to Oyo because of its might? That will be abomination! Lets respect history and not allow "superpower" mentality distort truth about our beginnings and their antiquities. 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by EdoNation(f): 6:51am On Jun 01, 2018 |
[s] MetaPhysical:[/s] Remove Edo from that rubbish you typed there, Useless stinkhole called Ife |
| Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by MetaPhysical: 6:56am On Jun 01, 2018 |
EdoNation: . You want to censor your ancestors. Becareful...they might show their displeasure to you fiercely. Let the truth stand as is. Do not make your ancestors angry. 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by EdoNation(f): 7:46am On Jun 01, 2018 |
MetaPhysical:Don't be stupid , did you go to school at all?... Yoruba's have zero history and pride ..... |
| Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by BabaRamota1980: 7:57am On Jun 01, 2018 |
MetaPhysical:Wow! I need to save copy of this share. Thank u sir! |
| Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Moneywomen17(m): 9:47am On Jun 01, 2018 |
davidnazee:davidnaze my boy stop crying if u don’t know the definition of fighting let me help u. No Yoruba is fighting each other here they are just talking about the different of opinion they have but u wish they were fighting don’t u so that they can stop bringing tears to ur eyes.
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| Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by gregyboy(m): 12:20pm On Jun 01, 2018 |
[quote author=Moneywomen17 post=68060309]hmm new one hmmm. Edo emerging from Benin?[/quotep] hmmm...... So i must state a mistake to you before you know one |
| Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Olu317(m): 12:37pm On Jun 01, 2018*. Modified: 12:56pm On Jun 01, 2018 |
KingSango:Good that you know that Oba Adeyemi ancestor built ILE IFE . But little do you know that the same Oranmiyan gave birth to Lajamisan, who was his his first son that became Ooni as his father,who reigned as Ooni Oranmiyan. So, when I infer, take note and be cautious of what you type because many people are pure lineage of Oranmiyan through IFE woman that gave birth to Lajamisan, and Adeyemi's maternal mother was Nupe . and Bini was Edo woman .Although this doesnt change the fact Alaafin,who also was oranmiyan descendant, gave Yoruba greatness, and Empire. Kudos for to his seat of power . However, If you read Ajayi crowther's account does not mean you know Yoruba history but on a lost journey ..... I respect people and you because of your knack for yoruba history, but don't inform on what you have no knowledge on . Learn from people here and get equipped. Period |
| Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by gregyboy(m): 12:43pm On Jun 01, 2018*. Modified: 1:22pm On Jun 01, 2018 |
Which yoruba would doubt prove ....its all seen in benin empire evidence of were the empire streches to This is an image of a king in ondo more to come Anyway the yorubas deniel there is prove for those who needs prove to see ....they wanna twist history and say it wasnt due to colonization but ancestry agrrement and i ask the king who was on those throne when benins came werent they oduduwas linage ....? Where did oduduwa come from ? Oduduwa was a banished prince to the forest with ropes in hands that was supposed to use in killing him while wondering the forest he took a stick which serves as its staff.nd later came to the land ile ife as prophesied by the gods of the land he came witha beautiful white clothes worn by is people and magical skills learnt as a young prince which he displayed in the town ile ife ...got many amazed and they asked were he and his people come from and simply said we came from the sky (ogiso) they were amazed and truely said to themselves the gods have sent our saviour they made him a king over them ... History of izoduwa not the falling legend 1 Like 1 Share
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| Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by EdoNation(f): 1:13pm On Jun 01, 2018 |
gregyboy:Is that not supposed to be the "Yoruba" king in owo dressed blatantly like the great Oba of Benin the elder brother of the Edo men in ile ife and Ibadan ( ooni n alaafin) ? |
| Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by OlaoChi: 2:54pm On Jun 01, 2018 |
davidnazee:you see your problem like that of most Nigerians when it comes to history is that you expect people's "versions". You know you are just making up stories as you go with no knowledge of history whatsoever and you think it's the same for everyone else. Everyone making his own "version" FYI I don't have a version, all I know is what the evidence suggests. History has suffered in Nigeria. |
| Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 2:56pm On Jun 01, 2018 |
gregyboy:In history, Oduduwa is known to have in his lifetime he reserved a special seat in the Ife palace for his ancestors and till this day only the Benin monarch can sit on it. Edo is such a crucial and respected culture that every major ceremony or Ifa ritual done in Ife must involve the relevant Edo traditional faith custodians, or else it won’t be considered blessed or authentic, their importance or influence is also present in the dressing of the Ife chiefs, which is said to be gotten from Benin courts. My question to the Yorubas is, why is Benin respected so much in Ife and a special seat reserved for the Oba of benin? Why does Edo tradition hold sway in Ife palace? Oduduwa had other children and Oranmiyan was the last.. 1 Like |
| Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 2:59pm On Jun 01, 2018 |
OlaoChi:I believe you have studied history too.. so tell us what u seen in your study of history. What happened to Obalata when Oduduwa took the throne from him? Don’t be ashamed tell us. In all versions of Oduduwa and Obalata encounter, there was only one outcome and that is Oduduwa Killed Obalata.. abi Na the beheading dey pain you? Beheading our enemies is an Edo trademark.. 1 Like |
| Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by BabaRamota1980: 2:59pm On Jun 01, 2018 |
gregyboy:Finally! Someone has the balls to answer the question. God bless you my brother! Following is the story of Ekaladheran from Edoworld. |
| Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by BabaRamota1980: 3:00pm On Jun 01, 2018 |
Ekaladerhan: The Story Of Two Kingdoms Bookmark and Share By Edun Akenzua (Updated 09/10/2017) ABOUT 1,000 years ago, the people of Igodomigodo were embroiled in a political storm, which swept away their king. Expectedly, anarchy set in, bringing famine and pestilence in its wake. The land was devastated by strife. Fear held the people captive. The patriots among them decided to put an end to the chaos and set their country free. Since the turmoil was brought about by the loss of their king, they reasoned that the first step towards normality was the restoration of kingship. They decided to have another king. Indeed, monarchism was the one system of government they had known. It was the quintessence of their life. They sent a delegation to Uhe and requested the people of that country to give them a king. A request for help or favour from one nation to another is a frequent occurrence in present-day diplomacy. But in the days of yore, when there was no intercourse between nations, such a straightforward and apparently friendly gesture was inconceivable. In the particular case of Igodomigodo and Uhe, questions are raised to which no objective or rational answers have been adduced. For instance, why did the people of Igodomigodo choose Uhe, instead of another country, which is perhaps nearer, to go and request for a king? The more one ponders over that question, the more intriguing it seems. In the 10th century, when the event took place, Uhe had no record of a ruler, let alone a famous one, from whom neighbouring countries could make such a request. But there is evidence in both Igodomigodo and Uhe that the request was made. That simple fact has become the origin of a puzzle and, perhaps, of the oldest poser in inter-state relations in African history. The question is not about whether or not the relationship between the two African countries existed; its existence has been proved beyond a doubt by anthropological and folkloric evidence. Songs and rituals are performed in both countries today which eulogize the link with nostalgia, relish and pride. The question is, how is it possible for a country to seek succour from another about whose existence it does not know? Igodomigodo is present-day Benin, Uhe, Ile-Ife or simply, Ife No wonder, the Ooni of Ife, while receiving the Oba of Benin who paid him a state visit at Ife on November 11, 1982, described the Oba’s visit as a “short home-coming” . The Ooni spoke with the pride of a father receiving a son who had made good abroad. He said: “We welcome Your Royal Highness most heartily back to Ile-Ife, the cradle of our common culture, the origin of your dynasty and ours. Today is really a very good day for us in Ife and its environs because since you left in 89AD, we have come to know that your dynasty has performed wonderfully well. “As we have mentioned briefly during our historic visit to your domain not too long ago, we said that we were there to pat you on the back for a job well done. Your present visit we regard as a short homecoming, where you will have an opportunity to commune with those deities you left behind. Now, my son and brother, long may you reign.” The address made a clear and unequivocal allusion to the root of the controversy - the suggestion that the people of Benin, or at least, the Royal Family, owe their origin to Ile-Ife. In the prelude of his response to the Ooni’s welcome address, the Oba of Benin tacitly rebutted the submission. The Oba said: “If the Ooni of lfe calls the Oba of Benin his son and the Oba of Benin calls the Ooni of lfe his son, they are both right. The Oba did not elaborate. But in the womb of that innocuous assertion is the foetus of a story, which had never been told in full. In both Benin and Uhe, the story is told with varying details. But all the variants have one constant theme: Benin did go to Ife to request for a king. Now, as if to further compound the issue, the Oba of Benin says the Ooni of Ife may call him his son and he may call the Ooni his own son and that both of them would be right. How can two persons call each other son and both be right? An answer to this question may also answer other questions and give scholars an insight into the full story. In writing the story, I did not set out deliberately to seek that answer. I simply attempted to narrate an event, which formed the base of several stories we were told as youngsters in Benin City. Although I did not go searching for the answer to the intriguing question, the book seems to provide it. The events narrated in this story significantly changed the way of life of the people of Benin and had a stupendous impact on their history. The hypothesis postulated in Ekaladerhan will rattle many an established thesis or legend. Assessors and curators who have hung on to some primordial beliefs may find that those beliefs are challenged. I make no apologies. I believe that the time has come when chroniclers must tell stories about Africa dispassionately if African history is to survive the hard and harsh scrutiny of modern researchers and assessors. Ekaladerhan is not the first time the Benin-Ife connection has been discussed. But it may be the first time it is discussed, as narrated in this book in a manner removed from the realm of mythology, esotericism and magic. If Ekaladerhan has helped in placing this event into focus, it shall have contributed its bit to man’s knowledge and understanding of his world. THE Odionmwan, his aides, Omokpaomwan and Osifo, were summoned to appear before Owodo at noon. It means there was a job to be done. The presence of condemned men in the prison cells usually indicated that an execution was imminent. But there was no prisoner in the cell. So why had they been invited? Nevertheless, they brought out the whetstone, some lime and ash and began to sharpen and polish their swords. Executioners were remembered only when an execution was to be carried out. As they speculated, a man appeared. He was in his mid-50s. The look in his eyes revealed that something bothered him. The Odionmwan and his aides exchanged meaningful glances and stopped their conversation. The intruder understood. He had seen them in that position several times before. They confirmed what he already knew. The man began to speak. “Citizens of Igodo, I salute you. Who’s it today?” The executioners exchanged glances again. They remained silent. Executioners were not men of many words; they were so conditioned by their grisly calling. Besides, there was tension in Igodomigodo. Citizens were gripped by fear. A careless talk could cost their life. The intruder began to speak again “Citizens, the sky is over-cast. Heavy rain is about to fall. Great wind shall blow and sweep away pebbles as if they were dried leaves. If fire consumes the tortoise, which is clad in a steel jacket, the hen that wears a feathery coat must keep a safe distance from the fire. These are bad times. When a cow devours its own calf, those who do not sleep with one eye open shall be carried away in their sleep. “What is the meaning of this, young man?” The Odionmwan asked. “I do not understand your parables.” “Sons of Igodo, the mouth should not always tell all that the eyes beheld or the ears heard. My eyes have seen but my tongue is too heavy to speak.” “Then go your way,” Osifo said impatiently. “We have not asked to be told anything. Go your way. We do not wish to hear that which will scald our ears. “No, I shall not go. I wish to tell. The burden a man bears alone may break his neck. Moreover, one’s mouth is left in the custody of the person in whom one has confided. I shall speak. But before I do, with the permission of the Odionmwan, you will take an oath not to divulge what I shall say.” “An oath? We do not ask to be told anything. Go your way. We have a job to do,” Osifo said. “No. Young man, do not go,” said the Odionmwan. “We wish to hear what you know and understand what you have been saying in parables. After all, access to information nurtures wisdom. We shall take the oath.” “You will have to take the oath alone,” said Osifo. “No one breezes in just like that and subjects me to oath-taking. God forbid.” “Be quiet, Osifo,” said the Odionmwan, “I have spoken. We shall take the oath.” “Alright then,” Osifo said, yielding to his boss. “What shall we swear by?” “Put your swords together,” the intruder said. He untied one edge of his cloth and, brought out a kolanut and some ehien-edo. With the tip of the sword, he incised his arm; blood oozed out. He asked the others to do likewise. He plucked a coco-yam leaf and collected the blood from the four of them onto it. He broke the kolanut, dipped the pieces in the blood and placed them on the sword. Then, he added three ehien-edo seeds.” The three men placed their hands on the swords and swore not to divulge the information they were about to be given. After the oath-taking, each man took a piece of the kolanut and one seed of the ehien-edo, chewed them and took a sip of water from a calabash which had been placed on the whetstone. The man began to speak. “I was one of the four persons sent by Ogiso to the Oracle to find out why his wives could not bear children. Esagho was one of us. The Obiro revealed that a sorceress had cast the spell, which prevented them from bearing children. The sorceress must be destroyed and her blood sprinkled on the shrine of Olode.” The man paused, looked about him, as if to ensure that no one was eaves-dropping. The forlorn look in his eyes showed the weight of the burden he bore. He continued to speak now almost in a whisper. “The Obiro named the sorceress. ‘I can see the evil woman. She is trying to keep her face away from me but she can’t hide,’ the Obiro said. ‘Her name is Esagho, the Ogiso’s wife. Evil woman. Grand witch. She must be destroyed and her blood sprinkled on the shrine of Olode and on the courtyard of the harem!’ he said. He did not know that the woman sitting on the piece of log in front of his shrine was Esagho. “We started for home. Thick clouds had gathered. There was a lightening, followed by a loud thunderclap. It looked as if the celestial bodies were at war.” There was pain in his eyes as he recalled their experience. But he began to speak again. “Terrible, terrible! I have never seen such heavenly fury! The breeze whistled; it seemed as if it wanted to talk. It tore down trees and anything on its path. Soon, it began to rain, as if there was a big hole in the sky” Again, he paused and looked around him. “We were walking in the rain-storm. There was no place to hide. Lightening flashes illuminated the sky intermittently. Suddenly, the storm ripped off Esagho’s cloth from her waist. “Good grief! What is this? We lowered our faces in that semi-darkness. To our horror...” he lowered his voice into a whisper, counting his words, “She accused us of removing her cloth in an attempt to rape her. Ra-pe her! Rape the Ogiso’s wife! Do you hear that? “It was only then we realised that the cloth that fell off her waist was a deliberate act, part of her ploy. She threatened to report the incident to the Ogiso unless we corroborated her account that it was Ekaladerhan the Oracle pronounced to die. We were dumb-founded. “I charged at her ready to pluck her tongue out but my colleagues restrained me. “We fell on our bellies, buried our faces in the mud and pleaded. But she did not yield. We knew no one would believe whatever we said or take our word for it. So, to save our necks, we gave in.” He had become visibly agitated and passionate. He continued to speak “We arrived. The Ogiso was waiting. Esagho told him that the Oracle proclaimed that Ekaladerhan was Alagbode. The Alagbode passed over the bridge and burnt it. The Alagbode must be sacrificed to the gods for Owode to have children. The implication of her devilish plot was more grotesque than we had imagined. The final chapter of that plot is what you are now preparing to write.” “Osa n’Oghodua laho; Ghe gie ima mu ihe ere-o.” “May the good lord save us from evil schemers,” Omokpaomwan prayed, his eyes red with suppressed tears. “So the Prince is the victim?” Osifo asked. “Did you say three of you accompanied Esagho to the Oracle? Where are the other two?” The Odionmwan asked. “Yes. Osaghae and Osagiede were the others. They could not live with Esagho’s treachery. They drank from the poison chalice one after the other these last two years. God rest their souls. I have been waiting for this day, to tell what I know. Now, I have done that, am ready to die.” “Good Heavens! I shall not be part of this devilish scheme. I shall not soil my hands with the blood of the innocent,” Osifo said spontaneously. He had made up his mind quickly. “We must save the Prince.” “How?” The Odionmwan asked, “by disobeying the Ogiso’s order?” “Yes, we will take him somewhere, release him and let him wander away,” Osifo said. “What happens to us when they find out what we have done?” asked Omokpaomwan. “I don’t know, but it’s a chance we have to take,” said Osifo. “And pay with our necks?” Omokpaomwan queried. “If necessary, yes,” Osifo said resolutely. Seeing that Osifo was dead serious, the Odionmwan turned to Omokpaomwan and asked: “Do you see the virtue in Osifo’s suggestion? “Not, really. Where will the Prince go? Does he become a fugitive at his tender age? In any case, the beasts of the forest will not give him a chance to survive. Rather than subject him to a slow, painful death, let us end it quickly for him. It will be like drinking the bitter medicine in order to cure an illness,” Omokpaomwan philosophised. But Osifo would not yield ground. He was determined to spare the boy’s life, even at the risk of losing his. “Omokpaomwan, look at it this way,” he said. “If we spare him now, we give him a chance to survive, no matter how slim the chance. He will wander into the bush and, who knows, the gods may protect him. But if we execute him, we deny him of that chance. Even if he gets killed by an animal, what is important is that we do not have his blood on our hands,” Osifo said. “The gods are just. If they did not ask for the Prince’s blood, they would protect him,” said the Odionmwan. “Thank you, Enonwanren,” Osifo said triumphantly, “If Omokpaomwan wants the blood of the innocent on his conscience, I do not want it on mine. Omokpaomwan is already old. My children are all young.” “We must protect this lad,” the Odionmwan said decisively. “We all have sons. Who would not give his life to protect his son?” The man who brought the information had been listening in silence as the three debated the topic. Now he began to speak. “Gentlemen, I hoped you would react this way. I thank you. When the time comes, tell the boy the truth. The truth will galvanise his spirit and make him bold. It will give him courage and fortitude.” “Let’s take an oath again to ensure that there is no traitor among us,” Osifo cuts in. Again they laid their swords on the whetstone as they did before. Each man placed his hands on the swords and took the oath: “By the gods, I swear not to divulge our decision not to execute Ekaladerhan. If I do, may I become victim of the sword; my body, food for the birds; my branches obliterated from the surface of the earth.” Each person again took a piece of kolanut and a seed of henien-edo, chewed them, and drank some water to wash them down. “I will be with you through this and accomplish it before I die,” said the old messenger. Ekaladerhan finished his meal. Okpomwan was clearing the plates. “Hurry!” Ekaladerhan said, “let’s continue our hunting. The sun has already climbed high.” “Okay”, Okpomwan answered, “We have to get more lizards for the cats.” There was a knock at the door. “Who is it?” Okpomwan asked. “Open the door for Uk’Ogiso. We have brought a message for the Prince,” Odionmwan said. “Welcome, Elders,” Ekaladerhan said. “The ofionto is not often seen at day time. What is the purpose of your visit?” |
| Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by KingSango(m): 4:04pm On Jun 01, 2018 |
MetaPhysical:The history of Ile Ife goes back 10,000 years B.C.E and probably much older. I know Oyo Empire came from Ile Ife. Ile Ife is the source of Yoruba culture, the fountain, the pinnacle point of Ifa worship. You write about the works of better men, Oduduwa, Oranmiyan, Ooni and Sango. They were all better than you and I. I get bored with that I want to see Afrikan/Yoruba people aspire and achieve greatness in this lifetime. I will to help you and you are turning me down? Ase Love Sango |
| Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Nobody: 4:10pm On Jun 01, 2018 |
Those who have no history will confuse fables and fairytails alongside other works of fiction with actual history. 1 Like |
| Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Nobody: 4:13pm On Jun 01, 2018 |
I am glad to see yoruba history has ben renamed King sangoku history. 1 Like |
| Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by BabaRamota1980: 6:02pm On Jun 01, 2018 |
Im not done....im bringing more to share but first, comments on this fabrication.... 1. The story of ekaladheran is not told by Omo N'Oba but rather by meanings read into his statement in Ife. So there is no true account of an official statement on ekaladheran. Omo N'Oba made a statement and soon after craftsmen are constructing a story around it. 2. Ekaladheran is son of last Ogiso Ewedo. Records of the list of Ogisos and Obas is kept. Records is kept of Chiefs of Edo. Records is kept of artists of Edo. Record is kept of shrines and deities of Edo. ....but the most important figure in the history of Edo, Prince Ekaladheran had no record until he was discovered in 1982. Yet we are to believe that this guy became King in Ife. 3. The fable woven around Ekaladheran exist only in works produced at Edoland. Those who have been in physical contact with Benin have no record of this guy. Why? 4. The story of Edo will not be complete without witchcraft. 5. A king sent his wife in company of chiefs to go and consult Oracle to see why he was barren? Hahahahahahaha.... What happend that the powerful Ogiso could not summon the diviner to his palace? Kings kept diviners in palace. Oracle is part of the instrument of rulership and belonged inside the palace. Till this day kings have oracle in the palace for divination. Anyway which kind of king dispatches woman to go and ask an oracle on his behalf....for anything? The genesis of the double-cross is the act of rape. So she was sexually appealing and the potential existed for her to be raped....yet the wise Ogiso did not see all this...but dispatched her with three men to go across town to a diviner. Then a woman already condemned by the oracle acted a double cross that won the chiefs to her side against their king. They defected loyalty from king to the woman oracle decreed should be killed. These chiefs not only broke their oath of allegiance to the throne, they also acted against the oracle's decree to execute the woman. One begins to wonder what power this woman had over them that made the chiefs substituted their prince for execution in place of her. Did she actually allow them to sleep with her to buy their conscience? This Edo story get k-leg! 4. The barren Ogiso was now convinced that by killing the one son he has, the heir to the kingdom, he will bear another child. Eehhhn.  This king needed his head examined. This is why the oracle and divination is done in palace...so that king will get direct message from the oracle, not through third parties. Its like someone who already has a property and lived in it with his family but needed more. He sent messenger to ask oracle what to do to own more property. The messenger returned and said burn the property you have now....burn it to ground. This will open opportunity for you to build another one. What a dumb person! This is how the story portrays your Ogiso....a dummy! So did he have another child, after agreeing to kill his son? In fact after many years and learning the truth he executed the wife and satisfied the decree passed by oracle. Did he have another child? No he did not! Hence the dispatch to Ife to seek assistance from the race of nation builders. What a claptrap story. No wonder beside gullible Edo writers no historian from other backgrounds have agreed to write this fiction. If this was put in Hollywood to be made into movies they will classify it "Works of Fiction" recreated from the imagination of Edo people of Nigeria. 5. So even the executioners were compronised in their duties and allegiance to the king. 6. Then the King banished the heir to his throne. Did it ever occurvto him to consult the oracle again? Did it ever occur to him that by banishing Ekaladheran he had banished the legacy of his ancestors and the succession to his own power? Did it occur to him to consult oracle if there were other sacrifices acceptable beside Ekaladheran? It sounds like the king had nursed an ambition to get rid of Ekaladheran anyway. The twisted message of the oracle was a wish come true for him....'cause he just played along, no question asked, no reluctance, no second thoughts.... Jeezus!! People abeg come and see Edo history. 7. So this king then gave the order to execute his son. No remorse. Did he ever ask for his remains so as a prince he could be buried with honors? 8. Now instead of killing him the chiefs and the executioners sneaked him out of town, alone, with no chiefs to accompany and attend to him. Did they explain to him the reason for his banishment? What did they tell him....the message from oracle, or their compromise with their mistress, wife to the king? This is a prince whose father and fathers before him had palace staff that waited and attended to their needs....not the son of a hunter or a farmer. Yet they told him to go away with no staff in company. How is he going to survive? Edo has an answer for that. They said he was a magician. I will leave the magician talk for another time. Lets move on. 8. Now, Ekaladheran began his journey in the wilderness. He came to Ogho (Owo). Nobody in Ogho recognized him. The same Ogho Edo told us is a tributary of Ogiso. Nobody in Ogho know the prince of their King in Edo....but they accomodated him and he lived there sometime. Check this out... Ogho is tributary and under the Ogiso Kingdom. Not only do they not know who he is, the Chiefs of Owo and King of Owo did not know him either. Is Ekaladheran mute and deaf? Why couldnt he explain who he was to the King in Owo? This would debunk the wishful desire in Edo to place Owo as a tributary under Ogiso. If Owo was under Ogiso Kingdom anyone banished from Edo remains non entity in all territories under the Ogiso domain. So why was Ekaladheran accomodated? Because Owo was an independent Kingdom, and did not get orders from Edo. In fact they had no record of heir to that throne in Edoland...a mere 70miles away. Astonishing! 9. Anyway, the magician left Owo and wandered on to Uhe (Ife) where the people took him to their Chiefs. So he told the Chiefs who he was. They jubilated and threw an owambe party. The magician forecasted by their oracle has arrived. At once they installed him as King. Wait a minute... So the people of Ife who never had a king before in their history, now all of a sudden know how to install a King. Ekaladheran could not explain himself to Owo but in Ife his muteness and deafness healed and was able to explain himself. So how did he communicate with the people of Ife, was there an interpreter? Anyway he changed his name to Oduduwa so his true identity will be concealed. 10. The Ekaldheran/Oduduwa now is King in Ife and having his own children. Ogiso Owodo never had another child till his death. Recall the man with a house that would need to burn down the only one he had in order that he could build more. ....the dummy extra-ordinaire! In short Chiefs of Edo had no knowledge of Ekaladeran's whereabout. But they needed a nation builder an imperial majesty to help stabilize their kingdom. So they sent Chiefs to Ife to beg for a king. There had to be a pre-knowledge about the capacity of Ife to salvage and rebuild their society otherwise Ife would not have been the kingdom to go source new dynasty. A great kingdom goes to a superior kingdom for its civilization, not to a lesser one. If indeed Igodomigodo was a great kingdom as we are told, then Ife was a superior kingdom. Supposedly Ekaladheran had been on the throne in Ife and was still the sitting king when Edo chiefs arrived Ife. So no other kingdom existed in Yorubaland at this time beside the first one established by Ekaladheran. Then how did Ife gained superiority with a first king, over Igodomigodo with centuries of kings? Ife must have had a long succession of kings and reputable civilizations for a troubled Igodomigodo to even think of going there for solution to their own challenges. But anyway... Voila! Edo Chiefs arrived Ife and were taken to see Kibg Oduduwa who then revealed to them he was Ekaladheran. Wait o....i thought he did not want his identity revealed? Anyway they asked him to go back with them. He declined and instead sent his grandchild Oranmiyan with Ife Chiefs. This would mean Oranmiyan returned to the land of his grandfather. Correct? So what happened in Igodo? They Edo society continued in their rebellion and disorderliness and witchcraft. Oranmiyan came from a civilized society with order and rule of conduct in society. The situation in Edo was strange. He renamed the land Ile Ibinu (now known as Bini). He had a son with an Edo woman. He left the Ife Chiefs that came with him behind to coronate the son as the King, he returned to Ife. It became clear the Edos will not accept this foreign blood as king over them. Edo chiefs fabricated a new story around a legend Ekaladheran and tied Oranmiyan and his son to it. Oranmiyan was positioned as child of Ekaladheran. On hearing this the society was pacified and submitted to Eweka. This fable had been passed down from generation to generation of Edos. It remained unwritten and in background until 1982 when Oba Erediauwa said Ife is our son too. Not bothering to clarify Edos threw their century long hoax out there and fed it to press and put it online and even wrote books on the hoax. Yorubas also did damage to their own cause by not critically analysing the hoax....and question loopholes and intrigues in the concoction., beginning with a distant to oracle, the dispatch of a Queen to seek oracle on king's behalf, the act or allegation of rape, the double-cross of allegiance, the play-along king that had no questions, the prince that lacked knowledge and authority, his banishment, his discovery by a people that rejoiced and partied when he showed up in their midst, his coronation as their king even though they had no clue what a king was, the request from igodomigodo to the superior Ife, the revelation of a hidden ekaladheran, the Oranmiyan dynasty, the turbulence of Edo and its renaming, the fabrication of a hoax and its attachment to the foreigner, the pacification of an uncivilized society, the reawakening of the hoax in 1982 centuries after the fiction was first adopted on Edoland. So did Oba Erediauwa say wrong with his statement? Is Alaafin and Ooni not sons, one to the other? Of course they are! Oranmiyan sired children on both thrones. It would be accurate to say so between Oyo and Ife. Same relational link exist between Benin and Ife and Benin and Oyo. So Oba Erediauwa said Ife is also son to Benin. His title is Omo N'Oba N'Edo...and not Omo N'Edo, nor Omo N'Ogiso or Omo N'Igodo. Meanwhile the title in Ife is Ooni Adimula. Adimula is the first creation in primordial, Ooni descended from that dynasty. The title in Benin is Omo N'Oba. Oba is Yoruba Kings. Omo N'Oba descended from that dynasty. Oranmiyan returned to Ife and became Ooni after establishing Benin. His descendants in Ife and descendants in Benin are sons to each other. This is what Erediauwa meant but failed to clarify on his visit in 1982 before fabricators in Edo rushed to impose a similar hoax fabricated centuries earlier as explanation for the king's one line statement. |
| Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by BabaRamota1980: 6:08pm On Jun 01, 2018 |
KingSango:You are accepted. No one has turned you down. Even amongst ourselves as Yoruba we argue contentions and evoke truth and facts without feeling a sense of rejection or an outsider. Metaphysical can be very cold with his facts sometimes but thats just his style....whereas others will add some humor and warmth. As long i read his posts he lacks humor...but his submissions are hard to ignore. Me i come with humor. If im responding to a female i change humor to flirting. Se you get...? Just let it go bro. 1 Like |
| Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 7:08pm On Jun 01, 2018 |
KingSango:Ife is older than 10,000 bc??!! What did the people of Ife look like at that time? Homoerectus or homodundees? Yorubas never cease to amaze.. 1 Like |
| Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by KingSango(m): 7:18pm On Jun 01, 2018 |
davidnazee:Are we going by European science? Do you believe European science to be 100% accurate without question? And what makes you doubt the truthful legends of African ancestral history? www.undergroundriseup..com Ase Love Sango |
| Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 7:21pm On Jun 01, 2018 |
BabaRamota1980:Babaramota you are still desperately trying to find how Oduduwa is not Ekhaladeran abi.. FYI Ekhaladeran (Oduduwa) is not the most important person in Edo history.. we only telling you yorubas that the god who you worship is an Edo son and therefore We Edos are superior beings to the Yorubas. Also there’s nothing new in oracle telling a man to sacrifice his only son. In bible God told Abraham the same thing.. and till tomorrow yorubas are still using their sons for sacrifice. 1 Like |
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