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Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Moorish: 10:16pm On Jun 03, 2018
davidnazee:
make you enjoy this one.. Just got it from my research..

"Eastern Yorubaland also felt the impact of its powerful eastern neighbor, Benin. When Benin invaded Ekiti between 1818-1823, the aim was to quell provincial revolt and regain control over the region’s economy. Indeed by reasserting control over the trade routes, which linked it with Yorubaland, Benin strengthened the position of its long distance traders, the Ekhengbo (from Ekhen Egbo) (ekhen, traders; egbo, forest). Akure and Benin traditions agree that the invasion of Akure was precipitated by a commercial dispute following an attack on a Benin tobacco trader, Ogonto, who was accused of violating an Akure law. Even though the information is scanty, it is possible to situate the Benin invasion at this time and the economic dispute at its root, within the context of the rise in the supply of slaves by the wars in Yorubaland and Hausaland. Benin traders would have desired to tap into the northern Yoruba slave fields as well as send foreign goods into the interior. They would have also wanted alternative markets, even if temporary, to counterbalance the disruptive effect of the Nupe political crisis on Benin’s trade with the Niger. Consequently, Benin soldiers, under Ologbosere Imaran and Ezemo Erebo, carried out punitive expeditions, which left so much destruction that the fear of Benin lingered on till the early years of colonial occupation. Several Ekiti, Akoko and Owo towns were sacked and in them were created Benin colonies under the Balekale (consuls).
With the victory, Benin reasserted its control over trade in Ekiti, Owo and Akoko, and Benin enclaves in Owo, Akure, Ikere and Ado-Ekiti became the nexus of trade between Benin and Yorubaland. Both Akure and Idanre traditions agree that owing to Benin commercial activities, a nineteenth century ruler, Deji Gbogi and an influential woman, Olokoju both of Akure founded Alade village/market (near Idanre) as a meeting point for Ekiti, Idanre, Ondo, Owo, Ijebu, Benin and Ijesa traders. Imported items such as guns, salt and metal implements from Benin were sold as far as Ilesa, Ekiti and Ilorin. This earned the Ekhengbo the distinction of being called the “first long-distance traders in Ekiti.” Although the Akure king’s list seems to put Igbogi in an earlier century, the reference to the importation of guns would put his reign in the mid-nineteenth century. Most significant was that commercial metal products point to the position of Akure as a regional market.

Immigrants into Ekiti also included traders, soldiers, administrators and their dependants from Benin. These colonists set up farm in the forest straddling the Akure-Idanre border and occupied what is now called the Ọgbọn Ado (Edo quarter) of Ado-Ekiti. Similarly slaves captured by the Benin from some Ado villages and some refugees were settled at Ikere where they established Ogotun, Afao, Are, Iluomoba and Agbado quarters, all named after their previous towns."
David i don’t think you’ve ever ventured out of Benin village in your whole life

You are an elder from Benin village who has nothing better to do with his life
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 10:18pm On Jun 03, 2018
Moneywomen17:
dudunrin fool I have ask kingsango himself he didn’t reply now am asking someone else that’s what u do when u need an answer. When someone is saying some bullshit u have to find out who they are accordingly before u reply them. Olu fear no one.
Olu dey fear King Sango.. why he no reply u na.. Your brother king sango sees u as a fool thats why he hasn't reply u yet.. maybe he dey reason with him weed how best to answer ur foolery..
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 10:19pm On Jun 03, 2018
Moorish:
David i don’t think you’ve ever ventured out of Benin village in your whole life

You are an elder from Benin village who has nothing better to do with his life
mugu mugu... because I'm telling the truth and tormenting u now u think I'm in a village.. well my Benin village dey sweet me.
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Moneywomen17(m): 10:20pm On Jun 03, 2018
davidnazee:
make you enjoy this one.. Just got it from my research..

"Eastern Yorubaland also felt the impact of its powerful eastern neighbor, Benin. When Benin invaded Ekiti between 1818-1823, the aim was to quell provincial revolt and regain control over the region’s economy. Indeed by reasserting control over the trade routes, which linked it with Yorubaland, Benin strengthened the position of its long distance traders, the Ekhengbo (from Ekhen Egbo) (ekhen, traders; egbo, forest). Akure and Benin traditions agree that the invasion of Akure was precipitated by a commercial dispute following an attack on a Benin tobacco trader, Ogonto, who was accused of violating an Akure law. Even though the information is scanty, it is possible to situate the Benin invasion at this time and the economic dispute at its root, within the context of the rise in the supply of slaves by the wars in Yorubaland and Hausaland. Benin traders would have desired to tap into the northern Yoruba slave fields as well as send foreign goods into the interior. They would have also wanted alternative markets, even if temporary, to counterbalance the disruptive effect of the Nupe political crisis on Benin’s trade with the Niger. Consequently, Benin soldiers, under Ologbosere Imaran and Ezemo Erebo, carried out punitive expeditions, which left so much destruction that the fear of Benin lingered on till the early years of colonial occupation. Several Ekiti, Akoko and Owo towns were sacked and in them were created Benin colonies under the Balekale (consuls).
With the victory, Benin reasserted its control over trade in Ekiti, Owo and Akoko, and Benin enclaves in Owo, Akure, Ikere and Ado-Ekiti became the nexus of trade between Benin and Yorubaland. Both Akure and Idanre traditions agree that owing to Benin commercial activities, a nineteenth century ruler, Deji Gbogi and an influential woman, Olokoju both of Akure founded Alade village/market (near Idanre) as a meeting point for Ekiti, Idanre, Ondo, Owo, Ijebu, Benin and Ijesa traders. Imported items such as guns, salt and metal implements from Benin were sold as far as Ilesa, Ekiti and Ilorin. This earned the Ekhengbo the distinction of being called the “first long-distance traders in Ekiti.” Although the Akure king’s list seems to put Igbogi in an earlier century, the reference to the importation of guns would put his reign in the mid-nineteenth century. Most significant was that commercial metal products point to the position of Akure as a regional market.

Immigrants into Ekiti also included traders, soldiers, administrators and their dependants from Benin. These colonists set up farm in the forest straddling the Akure-Idanre border and occupied what is now called the Ọgbọn Ado (Edo quarter) of Ado-Ekiti. Similarly slaves captured by the Benin from some Ado villages and some refugees were settled at Ikere where they established Ogotun, Afao, Are, Iluomoba and Agbado quarters, all named after their previous towns."
make u enjoy this one I just got it from my research.
“The whole of Benin small kingdom tremble in fear as ogedengbe walked in the center of Benin town he had left a trail of death in his path killing and seizing every village he came across and he beheaded the Cheif and took their wife as trophy. The whole kingdom was under his grasp before the king came out begging furiously for him to leave his small kingdom alone and in return he will grant him a lot of wealth, women and slave and only then did ogedengbe agree that he will turn back and leave the kingdom alone but he insist he had to give the king ten stroke of cane before he left which he did. It was a joyous day for all the people of Benin as ogedengbe finally left them and had mercy.” U see Yoruba na ur baba any day
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Moorish: 10:22pm On Jun 03, 2018
davidnazee:
mugu mugu... because I'm telling the truth and tormenting u now u think I'm in a village.. well my Benin village dey sweet me.
Thank God you know say Benin na village

Kudos !
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Moneywomen17(m): 10:23pm On Jun 03, 2018
samuk:
Yoruba will never seize to amaze. Now they are arguing over who Sango was, if you are right that Mr so called living Sango doesn't know the real identity of the one he worships then you can see how half baked you guys are.
fool I ask who the moniker sango was not the real sango the Yoruba god that u edo all worship too
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Moneywomen17(m): 10:24pm On Jun 03, 2018
davidnazee:
Olu dey fear King Sango.. why he no reply u na.. Your brother king sango sees u as a fool thats why he hasn't reply u yet.. maybe he dey reason with him weed how best to answer ur foolery..
olu might be busy. King sango wants to conceal his identity for a reason I do not know
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by samuk: 10:25pm On Jun 03, 2018
Moneywomen17:
dudunrin fool I have ask kingsango himself he didn’t reply now am asking someone else that’s what u do when u need an answer. When someone is saying some bullshit u have to find out who they are accordingly before u reply them. Olu fear no one.
This is now becoming interesting, so kingSango is now saying bullshit, anyway continue, there is Godooooo.
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Olu317(m): 10:25pm On Jun 03, 2018
Moneywomen17:
dudunrin fool I have ask kingsango himself he didn’t reply now am asking someone else that’s what u do when u need an answer. When someone is saying some bullshit u have to find out who they are accordingly before u reply them. Olu fear no one.
Don't mind that clownish Edo lad with no fact but assumption and falsehood. Many question I have asked them but with no answer. And KingSango is just a lover of Yoruba tradition and being a twin ,got him attracted to knowledge of Sango. This is what I have deduced. This is where he missed the point, because Sango is associated with Oyo and affiliate and not being worshipped in ILE IFE and some other Yoruba towns.
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 10:25pm On Jun 03, 2018
Moneywomen17:
make u enjoy this one I just got it from my research.
“The whole of Benin small kingdom tremble in fear as ogedengbe walked in the center of Benin town he had left a trail of death in his path killing and seizing every villager he came across and he beheaded the Chris and took their wife as trophy. The whole kingdom was under his grasp before the king came out beg furiously for him to leave his small kingdom alone and he return will grant him a lot of wealth, women and slave and only them did ogedengbe agree that he will turn back and leave the kingdom alone but he insist he had to give the king ten stroke of cane before he left which he did. It was a joyous day for all the people of Benin as ogedengbe finally left them an had mercy.” U see Yoruba na ur baba any day
hahahaha.. Edo we are too much.. forcing a desperate and frustrated yoruba to waste time typing rubbish.. My post na copy I copy am from source, documented archives.. I don't have time like you to crack my brain thinking of the next lie to tell.
If you didnt add that Ogedengbe the coward entered Benin city maybe ur lie for sweet small..

and come to think of it, in all of Yoruba history, history of almost 1000yrs na only Ogedengbe fit enter Edo land.. Shame on you.. through out our history we were based on Yoruba lands, defeating, conquering, colonizing, and beheading your rulers..
We were greater than you.. You cannot remove our tattoo of subjugation from your skin..
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Moneywomen17(m): 10:25pm On Jun 03, 2018
Davidnaze am out of this thread for now but hope u enjoy my very true story about Benin village
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Moneywomen17(m): 10:28pm On Jun 03, 2018
davidnazee:
hahahaha.. Edo we are too much.. forcing a desperate and frustrated yoruba to waste time typing rubbish.. My post na copy I copy am from source, documented archives.. I don't have time like you to crack my brain thinking of the next lie to tell.
If you didnt add that Ogedengbe the coward entered Benin city maybe ur lie for sweet small..

and come to think of it, in all of Yoruba history, history of almost 1000yrs na only Ogedengbe fit enter Edo land.. Shame on you.. through out our history we were based on Yoruba lands, defeating, conquering, colonizing, and beheading your rulers..
We were greater than you.. You cannot remove our tattoo of subjugation from your skin..
e pain am well oramiyan descendant rule over u now another Yoruba ogedengbe want to take ever the whole city u know gang banging style. Our subjugation still remain on u till today u bear our name worship our god we are the European to u before the actual European came. Edo land na Yoruba land u guys are our subject
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 10:28pm On Jun 03, 2018
Moneywomen17:
olu might be busy. King sango wants to conceal his identity for a reason I do not know
King sango sees you as a fool so he wont waste his time replying you.. besides a man who has woman in his name might be bobrisky's brother.. shameless yoruba fool..
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Olu317(m): 10:29pm On Jun 03, 2018
Moneywomen17:
who is this king sango
Sorry for this late response. He is an American
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Moneywomen17(m): 10:30pm On Jun 03, 2018
davidnazee:
King sango sees you as a fool so he wont waste his time replying you.. besides a man who has woman in his name might be bobrisky's brother.. shameless yoruba fool..
e pain am at least I have shown u who Jakuta his I will continue my argument with sango when he reveal his identity till down my davidnaze don’t cry too much I know this is how u feel below

Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by samuk: 10:31pm On Jun 03, 2018
Moorish:
David i don’t think you’ve ever ventured out of Benin village in your whole life

You are an elder from Benin village who has nothing better to do with his life
Really? Is this all you have to say, the guy warned you guys before he unleashed and now you should thank him for the education because it takes efforts to do proper research not the kind you guys manufacture on the go.
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Moneywomen17(m): 10:31pm On Jun 03, 2018
Olu317:
Sorry for this late response. He is an American
make sense an African American?
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Moneywomen17(m): 10:32pm On Jun 03, 2018
samuk:
Really? Is this all you have to say, the guy warned you guys before he unleashed and now you should thank him for the education because it takes efforts to do proper research not the kind you guys manufacture on the go.
u have been getting fake education in ur Benin village I will give u real one but
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by steveosaz(m): 10:34pm On Jun 03, 2018
ib0221:
I was taught not to demand respect from anyone except from myself. Therefore, I couldn't have demanded it from you.
Did you just give a literary interpretation to my earlier comment? Dude, I wasn't referring to you but only made a general reference with respect to these loud uncouth Yoruba.
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Moorish: 10:35pm On Jun 03, 2018
samuk:
Really? Is this all you have to say, the guy warned you guys before he unleashed and now you should thank him for the education because it takes efforts to do proper research not the kind you guys manufacture on the go.
For some reason your name looks like “wasted sperm” to me cry

Anyway

Na that David guy is an elder, from Benin village

Are you also from the village ? grin
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by samuk: 10:37pm On Jun 03, 2018
Moneywomen17:
fool I ask who the moniker sango was not the real sango the Yoruba god that u edo all worship too
Stupid. It's you and Mr kingSango that are disputing whether Jakuta was the name of Sango or not, and I only mentioned how shameful it will be for KingSango if you are right and he the acclaimed worshipper of Sango is wrong because it will appear him does not know who or what he is worshipping.
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Olu317(m): 10:38pm On Jun 03, 2018
davidnazee:
King sango sees you as a fool so he wont waste his time replying you.. besides a man who has woman in his name might be bobrisky's brother.. shameless yoruba fool..
Call us name,we don't care because we 'll keep informing the readers about the truth. And the truth is that you were Yoruba slaves through your mentality, names and kingly. Imagine,Oba rules you all. I am even doubtful of the Enogies because, the son of one Oba Bini that founded a new kingdom was Ginuwa and he was accorded a title of 'Olu'.See how subjugated ,all of Udo are? I mock you grin
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by MetaPhysical: 10:39pm On Jun 03, 2018
davidnazee:
make you enjoy this one.. Just got it from my research..

"Eastern Yorubaland also felt the impact of its powerful eastern neighbor, Benin. When Benin invaded Ekiti between 1818-1823, the aim was to quell provincial revolt and regain control over the region’s economy. Indeed by reasserting control over the trade routes, which linked it with Yorubaland, Benin strengthened the position of its long distance traders, the Ekhengbo (from Ekhen Egbo) (ekhen, traders; egbo, forest). Akure and Benin traditions agree that the invasion of Akure was precipitated by a commercial dispute following an attack on a Benin tobacco trader, Ogonto, who was accused of violating an Akure law. Even though the information is scanty, it is possible to situate the Benin invasion at this time and the economic dispute at its root, within the context of the rise in the supply of slaves by the wars in Yorubaland and Hausaland. Benin traders would have desired to tap into the northern Yoruba slave fields as well as send foreign goods into the interior. They would have also wanted alternative markets, even if temporary, to counterbalance the disruptive effect of the Nupe political crisis on Benin’s trade with the Niger. Consequently, Benin soldiers, under Ologbosere Imaran and Ezemo Erebo, carried out punitive expeditions, which left so much destruction that the fear of Benin lingered on till the early years of colonial occupation. Several Ekiti, Akoko and Owo towns were sacked and in them were created Benin colonies under the Balekale (consuls).
With the victory, Benin reasserted its control over trade in Ekiti, Owo and Akoko, and Benin enclaves in Owo, Akure, Ikere and Ado-Ekiti became the nexus of trade between Benin and Yorubaland. Both Akure and Idanre traditions agree that owing to Benin commercial activities, a nineteenth century ruler, Deji Gbogi and an influential woman, Olokoju both of Akure founded Alade village/market (near Idanre) as a meeting point for Ekiti, Idanre, Ondo, Owo, Ijebu, Benin and Ijesa traders. Imported items such as guns, salt and metal implements from Benin were sold as far as Ilesa, Ekiti and Ilorin. This earned the Ekhengbo the distinction of being called the “first long-distance traders in Ekiti.” Although the Akure king’s list seems to put Igbogi in an earlier century, the reference to the importation of guns would put his reign in the mid-nineteenth century. Most significant was that commercial metal products point to the position of Akure as a regional market.

Immigrants into Ekiti also included traders, soldiers, administrators and their dependants from Benin. These colonists set up farm in the forest straddling the Akure-Idanre border and occupied what is now called the Ọgbọn Ado (Edo quarter) of Ado-Ekiti. Similarly slaves captured by the Benin from some Ado villages and some refugees were settled at Ikere where they established Ogotun, Afao, Are, Iluomoba and Agbado quarters, all named after their previous towns."
David,
Any article that you post must include link to the source. Your stories are not credible.
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Olu317(m): 10:40pm On Jun 03, 2018
Moneywomen17:
make sense an African American?
Yes he is ......
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 10:40pm On Jun 03, 2018
samuk:
Really? Is this all you have to say, the guy warned you guys before he unleashed and now you should thank him for the education because it takes efforts to do proper research not the kind you guys manufacture on the go.
No mind them.. anyways I have breaking news for them..

Breaking News!!

The Fulani president Buhari has ordered his Fulani IG to arrest the Yoruba Saraki..

Fulanis still oppressing Yorubas tiill forever.. A case of Master and his subject..
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 10:43pm On Jun 03, 2018
MetaPhysical:
David,
Any article that you post must include link to the source. Your stories are not credible.
Don't ask for my Source.. if you want source go ask sauce kid.. he is a Yoruba..
Lol..
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 10:45pm On Jun 03, 2018
MetaPhysical:
David,
Any article that you post must include link to the source. Your stories are not credible.
but seriously u think my post is made up? That will be very foolish of u to think like that.. I know it hurts to see your people beaten so bad and ruled by a group you call primitive but it is the truth..
Anyways I copied it from the research work of a Yoruba scholar.. and even if I give you source of my articles you not still gonna believe it, rather you will discredit the author of the source, so no need for source, just take and digest what I give u..
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Olu317(m): 10:50pm On Jun 03, 2018
davidnazee:
hahahaha.. Edo we are too much.. forcing a desperate and frustrated yoruba to waste time typing rubbish.. My post na copy I copy am from source, documented archives.. I don't have time like you to crack my brain thinking of the next lie to tell.
If you didnt add that Ogedengbe the coward entered Benin city maybe ur lie for sweet small..

and come to think of it, in all of Yoruba history, history of almost 1000yrs na only Ogedengbe fit enter Edo land.. Shame on you.. through out our history we were based on Yoruba lands, defeating, conquering, colonizing, and beheading your rulers..
We were greater than you.. You cannot remove our tattoo of subjugation from your skin..
Look at this one ? so,you didn't know that Oba Bini Kingdom was seen as a colony of Yoruba's ? Bini King were good at bribing, despite being Yoruba descent.Have you no knowledge that there are some well to do Edos today that their ancestors were in Yoruba Kings Court and served as stewards and servants to Yorubas Kings? Do you want me to mention names? But, I will not go beyond this.
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by steveosaz(m): 10:52pm On Jun 03, 2018
davidnazee:
It’s your Yoruba brethrens that refuse to acknowledge that Benin was a great and mighty Empire.. Benin didn’t rule over Ife, nor did it rule over Oyo. But Benin ruled over most of Eastern Yoruba and shared boundaries with Oyo kingdom.. Benin also saw the birth of Oyo and the end too.. Benin was the only independent African kingdom till the end of the 19th century when it was subdued by the British forces..
As for slavery Benin didn’t engage in slavery but Oyo was the master of slavery selling almost all Yorubas in its territory into slavery..
Benin was a great Kingdom that survived time while others fell it stood..
You get time well well. These people are not here to learn. No matter how strong the points you give them are, they'll never take it. It's just their nature. Its an aberration to see a straightforward Yoruba man, they are a trivial and tactless set of people. See the disjointed and chequered history they are all just coming up with. I know them very well, na their way. The only thing you owe them is never to accept their crappy bulldung. They are all manufacturers of history.

Their only friend in this country today is the Fulani and that's because the Fulani has married them and f#@ks their dirty asses real gud all the time. Every other group is wary and highly suspicious of them. Yet still, there is no one the Fulanis have dealt with up to how they've pummeled these Yoruba people.

When it comes to being uncoordinatedly loud, they unarguably come first there. I say it again, go to hausaland and see armies of Yoruba people(I mean ex Yoruba people) who have totally renounced anything Yoruba including their names and have become Hausa.
Yet, their coward, misguided brothers are here talking like the very fools they are.

They brought together so many nationalities and spun their manufactured tales to these people asking them to claim ile ife as their origin, meanwhile, most of these people are independent and have nothing to do with oduduwa and were only victims of cultural assimilation that the entire Yoruba race is facing today in the hands of Hausa Fulani.

Yoruba people go home and save your burning house, Fulani is doing silent jihad against you people. That's where your attention should be.
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by samuk: 10:52pm On Jun 03, 2018
grin
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Moorish: 10:56pm On Jun 03, 2018
steveosaz:
You get time well well. These people are not here to learn. No matter how strong the points you give them, they'll never take it. It's just their nature. Its an aberration to see a straightforward Yoruba man, they are trivial and tactless set of people. See the disjointed and chequered history they are all just coming up with. I know them very well, na their way. The only thing you owe them is never to accept their crappy bulldung. They are all manufacturers of history.

Their only friend in this country today is the Fulani and that's because the Fulani has married them as f#@ks their dirty asses real gud all the time. Every other group is wary and highly suspicious of them. Yet still, there is no one the Fulanis have dealt with up to how they've pummeled these Yoruba people.

When it comes to being uncoordinatedly loud, they unarguably come first their. I say it again, go to hausaland and see armies of Yoruba people(I mean ex Yoruba people) who have totally renounced anything Yoruba including their name and have become Hausa.
Those are the same people that are here talking like the very fools they are.

They brought together so many nationalities and spun their manufactured tales to these people asking them to claim ile ife as their origin, meanwhile, most of these people are independent and have nothing to do with oduduwa and were only victims of cultural assimilation that the entire Yoruba race is facing today in the hands of Hausa Fulani.

Yoruba people go home and save your burning house, Fulani is doing silent jihad against you people. That's where your attention should be.
Steven I concede you are right

Benin people are loved by all

Because Your sister receive all the earthly s.perms
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by samuk: 10:57pm On Jun 03, 2018
MetaPhysical:
David,
Any article that you post must include link to the source. Your stories are not credible.
Imagine asking for the source now, if you are not very well inform in a particular discipline and humble yourself enough to admit it and nicely ask for help, people that know more than you will perhaps be kind enough to teach you, but instead of humbly yourself you fumble all over the place only to ask for the source of what ordinarily should be your history.
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