₦airaland Forum

steveosaz:
You get time well well. These people are not here to learn. No matter how strong the points you give them, they'll never take it. It's just their nature. Its an aberration to see a straightforward Yoruba man, they are trivial and tactless set of people. See the disjointed and chequered history they are all just coming up with. I know them very well, na their way. The only thing you owe them is never to accept their crappy bulldung. They are all manufacturers of history.

Their only friend in this country today is the Fulani and that's because the Fulani has married them as f#@ks their dirty asses real gud all the time. Every other group is wary and highly suspicious of them. Yet still, there is no one the Fulanis have dealt with up to how they've pummeled these Yoruba people.

When it comes to being uncoordinatedly loud, they unarguably come first their. I say it again, go to hausaland and see armies of Yoruba people(I mean ex Yoruba people) who have totally renounced anything Yoruba including their name and have become Hausa.
Those are the same people that are here talking like the very fools they are.

They brought together so many nationalities and spun their manufactured tales to these people asking them to claim ile ife as their origin, meanwhile, most of these people are independent and have nothing to do with oduduwa and were only victims of cultural assimilation that the entire Yoruba race is facing today in the hands of Hausa Fulani.

Yoruba people go home and save your burning house, Fulani is doing silent jihad against you people. That's where your attention should be.

And Ijaw made your backyard, a part of their Kingdom. I mock you profusely.

Moorish:
Steven I concede you are right

Benin people are loved by all

Because Your sister receive all the earthly s.perms

and your married mothers are busy cheating on their lazy husbands abi..
Yoruba is leading in adulterous women na.. it is documented as well..

Olu317:
Look at this one ? so,you didn't know that Oba Bini Kingdom was seen as a colony of Yoruba's ? Bini King were good at bribing, despite being Yoruba descent.Have you no knowledge that there are some well to do Edos today that their ancestors were in Yoruba Kings Court and served as stewards and servants to Yorubas Kings? Do you want me to mention names? But, I will not go beyond this.

Please mention and as usual I will post real and documented articles that discusses a time when Eastern Yoruba princes were mandated to serve as slaves in Oba of Benin palace before they could go back home to become King in their lands..
I get thousands of documents on Yoruba history..

davidnazee:
and your married mothers are busy cheating on their lazy husbands abi..
Yoruba is leading in adulterous women na.. it is documented as well..

Even if what you say is true, village elder

That is more honourable

Why did you send your wife to be a w.hore in Italy ?

You Benin men have no honour

steveosaz:
You get time well well. These people are not here to learn. No matter how strong the points you give them are, they'll never take it. It's just their nature. Its an aberration to see a straightforward Yoruba man, they are a trivial and tactless set of people. See the disjointed and chequered history they are all just coming up with. I know them very well, na their way. The only thing you owe them is never to accept their crappy bulldung. They are all manufacturers of history.

Their only friend in this country today is the Fulani and that's because the Fulani has married them and f#@ks their dirty asses real gud all the time. Every other group is wary and highly suspicious of them. Yet still, there is no one the Fulanis have dealt with up to how they've pummeled these Yoruba people.

When it comes to being uncoordinatedly loud, they unarguably come first there. I say it again, go to hausaland and see armies of Yoruba people(I mean ex Yoruba people) who have totally renounced anything Yoruba including their names and have become Hausa.
Yet, their coward, misguided brothers are here talking like the very fools they are.

They brought together so many nationalities and spun their manufactured tales to these people asking them to claim ile ife as their origin, meanwhile, most of these people are independent and have nothing to do with oduduwa and were only victims of cultural assimilation that the entire Yoruba race is facing today in the hands of Hausa Fulani.

Yoruba people go home and save your burning house, Fulani is doing silent jihad against you people. That's where your attention should be.

Me sef don tire for their bullshit.. It would have been more interesting if they were bringing accurate facts about Edo people.. Even if their post says Yoruba ruled Edo no problem but let it be accurate not made up lies.. but unfortunately for them and sweet for us there is no documents or accounts that will say Yoruba conquered and ruled Edo because it never happened.. and e dey pain them die..
soon they will start saying na write those early accounts or na we put their weak history for internet as if say na we develop internet..

Moorish:
Even if what you say is true, village elder

That is more honourable

Why did you send your wife to be a w.hore in Italy ?

You Benin men have no honour

so it is more honourable that your mothers are cheating on your fathers' destiny??
haba, shameless yoruba.. no wonder they keep doing it because it is honorable..

davidnazee:
and your married mothers are busy cheating on their lazy husbands abi..
Yoruba is leading in adulterous women na.. it is documented as well..

You are stating the obvious. It's not even a crime or abomination in Yoruba land for a wife to cheat on her husband, it's part of the tradition. Their husband sometime even sent their wives to the rich guys in town to go collect money and favour in return for sexual gratification. Husbands sometime insults their wives who don't have boyfriends by saying they are not attractive. I heard MKO Abiola even too one Oba's wife that the Oba sent to him on regular basis for financial help.

Moorish:
Even if what you say is true, village elder

That is more honourable

Why did you send your wife to be a w.hore in Italy ?

You Benin men have no honour

Please you this stupid black man that says yorubas are the moors that conquered spain and are the ones that built Egypts pyramids, I prefer we keep our arguments on Edo-Yoruba superiority.. I'm a man that respects women, don't drag me down that foolish path.. leave women out of it.

MetaPhysical:
David,
Any article that you post must include link to the source. Your stories are not credible.

He got it from this paper: http://www.yorku.ca/nhp/seminars/2003_04/Ojo_Paper.doc

This people rely on Yoruba for everything - Kingship, Names, Religion & Arts. The paper was authored by a Yoruba man & I find it interesting that the fraudulent Bini man did not deride the paper as they have done with excerpts & citations listed here written by local & foreign scholars.

Would it be safe to conclude Bini has no history worth writing such that historians of Edo/Bini origin are not putting any work out of Bini/Edo history?

davidnazee:
Please you this stupid black man that says yorubas are the moors that conquered spain and are the ones that built Egypts pyramids, I prefer we keep our arguments on Edo-Yoruba superiority.. I'm a man that respects women, don't drag me down that foolish path.. leave women out of it.

Yet you don’t respect your own wife

Elder, it is late

Go and sleep

Moorish:
Steven I concede you are right

Benin people are loved by all

Because Your sister receive all the earthly s.perms

I'm sure, all the ashewos and oloshos in lagos including the ones in your village are from Benin. Who doesn't know Yoruba and adultery.

Y0ruba:
He got it from this paper: http://www.yorku.ca/nhp/seminars/2003_04/Ojo_Paper.doc

This people rely on Yoruba for everything - Kingship, Names, Religion & Arts. The paper was authored by a Yoruba man & I find it interesting that the fraudulent Bini man did not deride the paper as they have done with excerpts & citations listed here written by local & foreign scholars.

Would it be safe to conclude Bini has no history worth writing such that historians of Edo/Bini origin are not putting any work out of Bini/Edo history?

Yoruba's are good in writing comics and children books. And that is basically what all these fraudulent history you people are fouling everywhere with is all about.

davidnazee:
Me sef don tire for their bullshit.. It would have been more interesting if they were bringing accurate facts about Edo people.. Even if their post says Yoruba ruled Edo no problem but let it be accurate not made up lies.. but unfortunately for them and sweet for us there is no documents or accounts that will say Yoruba conquered and ruled Edo because it never happened.. and e dey pain them die..
soon they will start saying na write those early accounts or na we put their weak history for internet as if say na we develop internet..

Lol you are not very bright.

On this thread alone people have posted excerpts & citations to papers on archeology, ethnography & history detailing facts about Ife’s preceding status to Bini as well as Bini’s weak attempt at military conquests into Yorubaland.

These were papers writing by heavy weight scholars from Nigeria & Europe/US. Did you not throw fits & tantrums about the papers not being ‘facts’ enough?

Yet, you come here speaking on facts when your own facts have been gotteb from same Yoruba authors you disregard when cited by others.

steveosaz:
Yoruba's are good in writing comics and children books. And that is basically what all these fraudulent history you people are fouling everywhere with is all about.

OK.

1. Start citing books written by Edo writers then. Abi una nor get researchers or are their research works not just worthy?

2. How about caucasian writers who are neutrals, are their books about Edo/Bini comical & fraudulent too?

davidnazee:
Please mention and as usual I will post real and documented articles that discusses a time when Eastern Yoruba princes were mandated to serve as slaves in Oba of Benin palace before they could go back home to become King in their lands..
I get thousands of documents on Yoruba history..

Not ready to disgrace your Edo servants . And the Oba Bini who was the third son of Esigie ,called Okpame (Ozolua) became king, he was the one who had military incursion into Owo but not successful Even the incursion into Akure, saga, you were chased away. Even arounnd 1820s/1830s, another attempt were made by your infamous warriors ,when they formed alliance with some Égi chiefs but were crushed by Derin Olongbenla.What exactly did you Edo do to make you great apart from pepper,ivory,sculpture wore? You could not subjugate Urhobos,Eastern Ibos, Lukumi, etc .
I don't want to keep exposing Bini king past leaders inconsistenies because he is a Yoruba man.

steveosaz:
I'm sure, all the ashewos and oloshos in lagos including the ones in your village are from Benin. Who doesn't know Yoruba and adultery.

Let’s Forget the w.hore s.hit little edo man, The whole world already knows about the s.luts of edo

Y0ruba:
He got it from this paper: http://www.yorku.ca/nhp/seminars/2003_04/Ojo_Paper.doc

This people rely on Yoruba for everything - Kingship, Names, Religion & Arts. The paper was authored by a Yoruba man & I find it interesting that the fraudulent Bini man did not deride the paper as they have done with excerpts & citations listed here written by local & foreign scholars.

Would it be safe to conclude Bini has no history worth writing such that historians of Edo/Bini origin are not putting any work out of Bini/Edo history?

See this mugu. I’m always many steps ahead of you. If I post article authored by an Edo you will say it’s an Edo author and therefore was biased so I post articles from your fellow Yorubas. Now tell us was ur brother right in his accounts of Benin conquest of Yoruba race?

Y0ruba:
Lol you are not very bright.

On this thread alone people have posted excerpts & citations to papers on archeology, ethnography & history detailing facts about Ife’s preceding status to Bini as well as Bini’s weak attempt at military conquests into Yorubaland.

These were papers writing by heavy weight scholars from Nigeria & Europe/US. Did you not throw fits & tantrums about the papers not being ‘facts’ enough?

Yet, you come here speaking on facts when your own facts have been gotteb from same Yoruba authors you disregard when cited by others.

So post them na. At least that will be better than ur frustrated lies you people are busy posting. Post those articles you talked about make we see.

Y0ruba:
OK.

1. Start citing books written by Edo writers then. Abi una nor get researchers or are their research works not just worthy?

2. How about caucasian writers who are neutrals, are their books about Edo/Bini comical & fraudulent too?

We have many Edo writers but I won’t give you the pleasure of discrediting research done by edos on the excuse of biased based on tribe.. and you have been arguing accounts given by early explorers about the might, size and reach of Benin Empire saying the Europeans don’t know what they saying.
So I rather you swallow the painful and bitter pill of truth prepared by your own brothers.
I have more written by Yorubas for u to swallow.

samuk:
Stupid. It's you and Mr kingSango that are disputing whether Jakuta was the name of Sango or not, and I only mentioned how shameful it will be for KingSango if you are right and he the acclaimed worshipper of Sango is wrong because it will appear him does not know who or what he is worshipping.

Sango is not Jakuta and Jakuta is not Sango.

Sango has many names yet among them there is no Jakuta that I have come across.

Sango has oriki and there is no mention of Jakuta.

Ase

Love Sango

davidnazee:
So post them na. At least that will be better than ur frustrated lies you people are busy posting. Post those articles you talked about make we see.

davidnazee:
See this mugu. I’m always many steps ahead of you. If I post article authored by an Edo you will say it’s an Edo author and therefore was biased so I post articles from your fellow Yorubas. Now tell us was ur brother right in his accounts of Benin conquest of Yoruba race?

davidnazee:
We have many Edo writers but I won’t give you the pleasure of discrediting research done by edos on the excuse of biased based on tribe.. and you have been arguing accounts given by early explorers about the might, size and reach of Benin Empire saying the Europeans don’t know what they saying.
So I rather you swallow the painful and bitter pill of truth prepared by your own brothers.
I have more written by Yorubas for u to swallow.

I do not know if you actually think before you type or if you read what you type for any modicum of sense before hitting the ‘submit’ button.

Your come backs are the most pedestrian & stupidest attempts at being sneaky. You must think other posters are slow & retarded posters like yourself & those of your Edo folks who are unintelligent enough to know & accept that your Oba’s tales are not supported by material & non-material evidences gathered & studied for decades starting from the 50s/60s/70s.

We are not illiterates. There are little to no historians & archeologists of Edo/Bini origin who have done or published any works on Edo/Bini history and these are due to obvious reasons listed below:

1. Yoruba pioneered history in Nigeria. Google Ibadan School of History. The population, lead in adoption of western education & the Ibadan school put the ratio of scholars at a high number favourable to the Yoruba people.

2. This point is the most important. The Nigeria history research scheme sponsored regionally led to years of extensive study of Bini history. Now the implication of this is that, Bini history was exhausted & there has been nothing else to add - in archeology, anthropology & history. So nobody goes to these fields & chooses to specialize in Edo/Bini studies, they may never even get to complete their PhD not to mention being regarded as an original scholar. Recent studies on Bini are mostly an agglomeration of past works to fit a narrative - this is something less scholarly. Ever wondered why after so mant decades your Oba’s book was the only book/paper on Bini & have you wondered why no historian was involved in its preparation or why the scholars have yet to rate it after so many years in circulation?

In clear terms, there is no paper/book on Bini history/archeology because it has limited records and this as been thoroughly dealt with by Smith, Bradbury, Lloyd, Ryder - all neutral caucasians.

See the excerpt below & stop disgracing your generation with your unending unintelligent comments.

Also, all the research written from the 50s narrating Ife/Yoruba prominence to Bini were given, approved & stamped by your king & members of your royal family.

Olu317:
Don't mind that clownish Edo lad with no fact but assumption and falsehood. Many question I have asked them but with no answer. And KingSango is just a lover of Yoruba tradition and being a twin ,got him attracted to knowledge of Sango. This is what I have deduced. This is where he missed the point, because Sango is associated with Oyo and affiliate and not being worshipped in ILE IFE and some other Yoruba towns.

I have noted that Sango isnt worshiped by all Yorubas at least some years ago. Yet you are called Yoruba which means you are saying, "Subject of the Oba of Oyo". The British gave your ancestors that name because when they arrived the head Yoruba king was the Alaafin , who is the "Living Sango"

I am an ibeji. My mother and her brother, my uncle, were ibeji. My aunt, who is my mothers sister, had 2 sets of triplets, and one set of twins. I saw pictures of my family photo of cousins that were cojoined and both lived to get married. Weird? I know.


Sango is all throughout my bloodline. Sango is the baba of ibeji. I know this about Sango, Sango dont bow to no one. The Yoruba king you are related to by descent named Sango would have been the type of person that became superior in strength, power and charm that he ruled over everyone including the Ooni when he was around. I can see how come he wasnt liked by some Yorubas, even say Sango was arrogant. Sango is fire and fire is the supreme element next to ashe which is the highest.


Yet Oya is the secret to Sangos power believe it or not. Oya is a cold woman and you cant have fire without ice or the whole universe will burn. Ifa is the the masculine tradition of Yorubas. OOsha is the mother tradition. Ejiogbe is masculine, I am all male. My views are forceful yet they sink into the mind. My medicine is strong it knocks the patient cured. Share and your expiences with others will be less frictional.


Ase


Love Sango

So I want to remind us all that the bottom line of all this is the hoax used centuries ago to pacify Igodomigodo and impose a foreigner over them to rule and give civilization to the barbaric uncivilized Edo society.

That hoax is Ekaladheran, a condemned fugitive that superstitious claimed became king in Ife and changed his identity to Izoduwa, Omoduwa, Oduduwa and all kind of .....duwas.

We need to revisit Ekaladeran. If you all recall I said in my previous analysis that there was more to come to further demystify the superstition and remove the remaining fear from the minds of these Edos.


Do you all recall that not long ago Edo chiefs brought out some otumokpo and displayed it publicly with chants and claims that those enslaving Edo women into prostitution locally and abroad and the girls that partivipate in the trade will meet with tragedy if they did not desist immediately?

According to them the last time the fetish came out was 400yrs ago.
I wonder when was last time before that...and the time before that....

But the point is that Edo has a deep practice in witchcraft and they believe completely in its power to manifest.

So Im thinking to myself, as dumb and outlandishly twisted as the Ekaladheran story is, why would the people be so stuck on it in the face of its rejection by scholars around the world? Then I thought about this otumokpo they brought out recently.

Is it possible the Edo society are acting under fear of questioning the authencity of Ekaladheran, and risk the curse of this otumokpo manifesting in their life?

This is my theory and it might sound funny at first untill you hear the rest of the Ekaladheran saga.


So lets share some more....


I want first to build a background against which I will dramatize the impracticality of an Ekaladheran even stepping foot in Ile Ife, much more being celebrated there as a king.


1 - Edo warriors, we are told, demolished any kingdom or people in their way. They ruled the entire coast East and West of Bight of Benin all the way to Ghana. They conquered all their neighbors...including Yoruba.

2 - Igala fought two wars with Bini. The first they defeated Bini, entered the Oba palace and seized his mask which they carried back with them to Idah. It remains in their possession till today, symbolic of their defeat over Edoland.

On their second war, Edo sent fresh young girls into the Igala warrior camp purposely to be defiled. Their goal being to pacify the Igalas to rethink their invasion and return back to Idah. The Igalas used the girls and then invaded Edo. Overpowered, they sent SOS to Portuguese for assistance. The Portuguese defeated Igala soldiers. Those Igala soldiers did not return home to Idah. They could not take back a message of defeat to their King. So they settled on the outskirts of Northern Edo in Ibaji area, located in Kogi today.


As pertains to Ekaladheran, we are told that he at one time was resident in Ughoton under concealed identity. An Edo chief happened to spot him and took the discovery back to the dimwit Ogiso father. The father sent out messenger to go tell him to return to Igodomigodo. Ekaladheran refused to go with the messenger. So Ogiso dispatched armies to go to Ughoton and forcefully bring him back. It is said that Ekaladheran and the Chiefs of Ughoton had dug trenches to swallow the Igodo Army. They perished and fearing for his life he left Ughoton and went on in his journey.

STOP!

Igodomigodo Army that is a formidable force along thousands of miles of coastal lands from Bight of Biafra to Slave Coast in Ghana, defeated by one small village?

Aaaah!!

Kings of old had a protocol for conducting warfare. A defeated King goes on exile or commits suicide. Soldiers retain honor by dying at the warfront or never return home.

This freak Ogiso's Army was defeated in Ughoton and he remaind on throne. Where is his honor?

Oohh, almost forgot its Owodo...his queen already spent his honor in the bush, with chiefs.

We are told Ekaladheran headed to Ife and changed name to Oduduwa and then became King. He had many children in Ife. One of his children was Oranmiyan.

Who are the rest?

Oranmiyan returned to his father's homeland in Igodomigodo which he renamed Ile Ibinu. The Edos have retained the story of Ekaladheran and Oranmiyan since.

None of the other supposed children of Ekaladheran recall anyone in their ancestral line fitting the profile of Ekaladheran, whether before or after the claimed name rebranding.

As we know, Yoruba's Oduduwa is the son of Lamurudu.

Ancient Yoruba's root is interlinked with these people, Baruba (Borgu), Babur(Kanuri)... all have same traditional marks and facial features.

Igodomigodo has never featured as a root for Oduduwa at anytime in history.

So the other children,the brothers and sisters of Oranmiyan do not recollect of an Ekaledheran or an Ogiso background, nor an igodomigodo in their ancestry. This claim is limited only to those who Oranmiyan civilized in Edo.

In fact Oranmiyan returned to found Oyo...and even Oyo has never heard of an Ekaladheran in its ancestral lineage, orally or literally.


What is unique about Yoruba Obas is oriki. In addition to it they also have totem.

The Ogisos have no totem, nor oriki.

If Ekaladheran was a founding father in Ife, he would have been given an oriki, a totem...while alive, and after death would have been immortalized with a shrine or even deified. There is not a single shrine or praise song for Ekaladheran in Yorubaland.


Edos told us where he was born and where ended up becoming King but we havent heard if he died and where he died at and was buried.


So I must ask this of Edos...

Where is Ekaladheran buried? Is his head at Orun Oba Ado's crypt?

I need answer.

BabaRamota1980:
So I want to remind us all that the bottom line of all this is the hoax used centuries ago to pacify Igodomigodo and impose a foreigner over them to rule and give civilization to the barbaric uncivilized Edo society.

That hoax is Ekaladheran, a condemned fugitive that superstitious claimed became king in Ife and changed his identity to Izoduwa, Omoduwa, Oduduwa and all kind of .....duwas.

We need to revisit Ekaladeran. If you all recall I said in my previous analysis that there was more to come to further demystify the superstition and remove the remaining fear from the minds of these Edos.


Do you all recall that not long ago Edo chiefs brought out some otumokpo and displayed it publicly with chants and claims that those enslaving Edo women into prostitution locally and abroad and the girls that partivipate in the trade will meet with tragedy if they did not desist immediately?

According to them the last time the fetish came out was 400yrs ago.
I wonder when was last time before that...and the time before that....

But the point is that Edo has a deep practice in witchcraft and they believe completely in its power to manifest.

So Im thinking to myself, as dumb and outlandishly twisted as the Ekaladheran story is, why would the people be so stuck on it in the face of its rejection by scholars around the world? Then I thought about this otumokpo they brought out recently.

Is it possible the Edo society are acting under fear of questioning the authencity of Ekaladheran, and risk the curse of this otumokpo manifesting in their life?

This is my theory and it might sound funny at first untill you hear the rest of the Ekaladheran saga.


So lets share some more....


I want first to build a background against which I will dramatize the impracticality of an Ekaladheran even stepping foot in Ile Ife, much more being celebrated there as a king.


1 - Edo warriors, we are told, demolished any kingdom or people in their way. They ruled the entire coast East and West of Bight of Benin all the way to Ghana. They conquered all their neighbors...including Yoruba.

2 - Igala fought two wars with Bini. The first they defeated Bini, entered the Oba palace and seized his mask which they carried back with them to Idah. It remains in their possession till today, symbolic of their defeat over Edoland.

On their second war, Edo sent fresh young girls into the Igala warrior camp purposely to be defiled. Their goal being to pacify the Igalas to rethink their invasion and return back to Idah. The Igalas used the girls and then invaded Edo. Overpowered, they sent SOS to Portuguese for assistance. The Portuguese defeated Igala soldiers. Those Igala soldiers did not return home to Idah. They could not take back a message of defeat to their King. So they settled on the outskirts of Northern Edo in Ibaji area, located in Kogi today.


As pertains to Ekaladheran, we are told that he at one time was resident in Ughoton under concealed identity. An Edo chief happened to spot him and took the discovery back to the dimwit Ogiso father. The father sent out messenger to go tell him to return to Igodomigodo. Ekaladheran refused to go with the messenger. So Ogiso dispatched armies to go to Ughoton and forcefully bring him back. It is said that Ekaladheran and the Chiefs of Ughoton had dug trenches to swallow the Igodo Army. They perished and fearing for his life he left Ughoton and went on in his journey.

STOP!

Igodomigodo Army that is a formidable force along thousands of miles of coastal lands from Bight of Biafra to Slave Coast in Ghana, defeated by one small village?

Aaaah!!

Kings of old had a protocol for conducting warfare. A defeated King goes on exile or commits suicide. Soldiers retain honor by dying at the warfront or never return home.

This freak Ogiso's Army was defeated in Ughoton and he remaind on throne. Where is his honor?

Oohh, almost forgot its Owodo...his queen already spent his honor in the bush, with chiefs.

We are told Ekaladheran headed to Ife and changed name to Oduduwa and then became King. He had many children in Ife. One of his children was Oranmiyan.

Who are the rest?

Oranmiyan returned to his father's homeland in Igodomigodo which he renamed Ile Ibinu. The Edos have retained the story of Ekaladheran and Oranmiyan since.

None of the other supposed children of Ekaladheran recall anyone in their ancestral line fitting the profile of Ekaladheran, whether before or after the claimed name rebranding.

As we know, Yoruba's Oduduwa is the son of Lamurudu.

Ancient Yoruba's root is interlinked with these people, Baruba (Borgu), Babur(Kanuri)... all have same traditional marks and facial features.

Igodomigodo has never featured as a root for Oduduwa at anytime in history.

So the other children,the brothers and sisters of Oranmiyan do not recollect of an Ekaledheran or an Ogiso background, nor an igodomigodo in their ancestry. This claim is limited only to those who Oranmiyan civilized in Edo.

In fact Oranmiyan returned to found Oyo...and even Oyo has never heard of an Ekaladheran in its ancestral lineage, orally or literally.


What is unique about Yoruba Obas is oriki. In addition to it they also have totem.

The Ogisos have no totem, nor oriki.

If Ekaladheran was a founding father in Ife, he would have been given an oriki, a totem...while alive, and after death would have been immortalized with a shrine or even deified. There is not a single shrine or praise song for Ekaladheran in Yorubaland.


Edos told us where he was born and where ended up becoming King but we havent heard if he died and where he died at and was buried.


So I must ask this of Edos...

Where is Ekaladheran buried? Is his head at Orun Oba Ado's crypt?

I need answer.

You just conquered Edo lies with archaeology and logic

You taught me things I never knew

I say this with no evil intent but

Edo people are a shameless tribe

Y0ruba:
I do not know if you actually think before you type or if you read what you type for any modicum of sense before hitting the ‘submit’ button.

Your come backs are the most pedestrian & stupidest attempts at being sneaky. You must think other posters are slow & retarded Edo posters like yourself & those of you who are unintelligent enough to know & accept that your Oba’s tales are not supported by material & non-material gathered & studied for decades starting from the 50s/60s/70s.

We are not illiterates. There are little to no historians & archeologists of Edo/Bini origin who have done or published any works on Edo/Bini history and these are due to obvious reasons listed below:

1. Yoruba pioneered history in Nigeria. Google Ibadan School of History. The population, lead in adoption of western education & the Ibadan school put the ratio of scholars at a high number favourable to the Yoruba.

2. This poit is the most important. The Nigeria history research scheme of the 70s sponsored regionally led to years of extensive study of Bini history. Now the implication of this is that, Bini history was exhausted & there has been nothing else to add - in archeology, anthropology & history. So nobody goes to these fields & chooses to specialize in Edo/Bini studies, they may never even get to complete their PhD not to mention being regarded as an original scholar. Recent studies on Bini are mostly an agglomeration of past works to fit a narrative - this is something less scholarly. Ever wondered why after so mant decades your Oba’s book was the only book/paper on Bini & have you wondered why no historian was involved in its preparation or why they have yet to rate it after so many years in circulation?

In clear terms, there is no paper/book on Bini history/archeology because it has limited records and this as been thoroughly dealt with by Smith, Bradbury, Lloyd, Ryder - all neutral caucasians.

See the excerpt below & stop disgracing your generation with your unending unintelligent comments.

Also, all the research written from the 70s narrating Ife/Yoruba prominence to Bini were given, approved & stamped by your king & members of your royal family.

This screen shot of the Benin study you posted doesn't say anything to dispute what my argument has been, that Benin was a super power compared to the Yoruba Kingdoms.. From the post you can see it says Benin was the only powerful Kingdom in southern Nigeria ruling from coast of river Niger through Yoruba lands to Lagos and beyond..
If you have more documents to discredit my argument please post it but if this is all you have to show then you are a big fool.. You post document that says Benin ruled Yoruba and you insulting me..

BabaRamota1980:
So I want to remind us all that the bottom line of all this is the hoax used centuries ago to pacify Igodomigodo and impose a foreigner over them to rule and give civilization to the barbaric uncivilized Edo society.

That hoax is Ekaladheran, a condemned fugitive that superstitious claimed became king in Ife and changed his identity to Izoduwa, Omoduwa, Oduduwa and all kind of .....duwas.

We need to revisit Ekaladeran. If you all recall I said in my previous analysis that there was more to come to further demystify the superstition and remove the remaining fear from the minds of these Edos.


Do you all recall that not long ago Edo chiefs brought out some otumokpo and displayed it publicly with chants and claims that those enslaving Edo women into prostitution locally and abroad and the girls that partivipate in the trade will meet with tragedy if they did not desist immediately?

According to them the last time the fetish came out was 400yrs ago.
I wonder when was last time before that...and the time before that....

But the point is that Edo has a deep practice in witchcraft and they believe completely in its power to manifest.

So Im thinking to myself, as dumb and outlandishly twisted as the Ekaladheran story is, why would the people be so stuck on it in the face of its rejection by scholars around the world? Then I thought about this otumokpo they brought out recently.

Is it possible the Edo society are acting under fear of questioning the authencity of Ekaladheran, and risk the curse of this otumokpo manifesting in their life?

This is my theory and it might sound funny at first untill you hear the rest of the Ekaladheran saga.


So lets share some more....


I want first to build a background against which I will dramatize the impracticality of an Ekaladheran even stepping foot in Ile Ife, much more being celebrated there as a king.


1 - Edo warriors, we are told, demolished any kingdom or people in their way. They ruled the entire coast East and West of Bight of Benin all the way to Ghana. They conquered all their neighbors...including Yoruba.

2 - Igala fought two wars with Bini. The first they defeated Bini, entered the Oba palace and seized his mask which they carried back with them to Idah. It remains in their possession till today, symbolic of their defeat over Edoland.

On their second war, Edo sent fresh young girls into the Igala warrior camp purposely to be defiled. Their goal being to pacify the Igalas to rethink their invasion and return back to Idah. The Igalas used the girls and then invaded Edo. Overpowered, they sent SOS to Portuguese for assistance. The Portuguese defeated Igala soldiers. Those Igala soldiers did not return home to Idah. They could not take back a message of defeat to their King. So they settled on the outskirts of Northern Edo in Ibaji area, located in Kogi today.


As pertains to Ekaladheran, we are told that he at one time was resident in Ughoton under concealed identity. An Edo chief happened to spot him and took the discovery back to the dimwit Ogiso father. The father sent out messenger to go tell him to return to Igodomigodo. Ekaladheran refused to go with the messenger. So Ogiso dispatched armies to go to Ughoton and forcefully bring him back. It is said that Ekaladheran and the Chiefs of Ughoton had dug trenches to swallow the Igodo Army. They perished and fearing for his life he left Ughoton and went on in his journey.

STOP!

Igodomigodo Army that is a formidable force along thousands of miles of coastal lands from Bight of Biafra to Slave Coast in Ghana, defeated by one small village?

Aaaah!!

Kings of old had a protocol for conducting warfare. A defeated King goes on exile or commits suicide. Soldiers retain honor by dying at the warfront or never return home.

This freak Ogiso's Army was defeated in Ughoton and he remaind on throne. Where is his honor?

Oohh, almost forgot its Owodo...his queen already spent his honor in the bush, with chiefs.

We are told Ekaladheran headed to Ife and changed name to Oduduwa and then became King. He had many children in Ife. One of his children was Oranmiyan.

Who are the rest?

Oranmiyan returned to his father's homeland in Igodomigodo which he renamed Ile Ibinu. The Edos have retained the story of Ekaladheran and Oranmiyan since.

None of the other supposed children of Ekaladheran recall anyone in their ancestral line fitting the profile of Ekaladheran, whether before or after the claimed name rebranding.

As we know, Yoruba's Oduduwa is the son of Lamurudu.

Ancient Yoruba's root is interlinked with these people, Baruba (Borgu), Babur(Kanuri)... all have same traditional marks and facial features.

Igodomigodo has never featured as a root for Oduduwa at anytime in history.

So the other children,the brothers and sisters of Oranmiyan do not recollect of an Ekaledheran or an Ogiso background, nor an igodomigodo in their ancestry. This claim is limited only to those who Oranmiyan civilized in Edo.

In fact Oranmiyan returned to found Oyo...and even Oyo has never heard of an Ekaladheran in its ancestral lineage, orally or literally.


What is unique about Yoruba Obas is oriki. In addition to it they also have totem.

The Ogisos have no totem, nor oriki.

If Ekaladheran was a founding father in Ife, he would have been given an oriki, a totem...while alive, and after death would have been immortalized with a shrine or even deified. There is not a single shrine or praise song for Ekaladheran in Yorubaland.


Edos told us where he was born and where ended up becoming King but we havent heard if he died and where he died at and was buried.


So I must ask this of Edos...

Where is Ekaladheran buried? Is his head at Orun Oba Ado's crypt?

I need answer.

Yorubas please be like the Edos, post documents to prove your claims and stop this your lies, myths and fables.. We the Edos don't waste our time dabbling in rubbish like you guys.. See your brother above just post a document that unfortunately for you details Edo as the greatest.

Y0ruba:
I do not know if you actually think before you type or if you read what you type for any modicum of sense before hitting the ‘submit’ button.

Your come backs are the most pedestrian & stupidest attempts at being sneaky. You must think other posters are slow & retarded Edo posters like yourself & those of you who are unintelligent enough to know & accept that your Oba’s tales are not supported by material & non-material gathered & studied for decades starting from the 50s/60s/70s.

We are not illiterates. There are little to no historians & archeologists of Edo/Bini origin who have done or published any works on Edo/Bini history and these are due to obvious reasons listed below:

1. Yoruba pioneered history in Nigeria. Google Ibadan School of History. The population, lead in adoption of western education & the Ibadan school put the ratio of scholars at a high number favourable to the Yoruba.

2. This poit is the most important. The Nigeria history research scheme of the 70s sponsored regionally led to years of extensive study of Bini history. Now the implication of this is that, Bini history was exhausted & there has been nothing else to add - in archeology, anthropology & history. So nobody goes to these fields & chooses to specialize in Edo/Bini studies, they may never even get to complete their PhD not to mention being regarded as an original scholar. Recent studies on Bini are mostly an agglomeration of past works to fit a narrative - this is something less scholarly. Ever wondered why after so mant decades your Oba’s book was the only book/paper on Bini & have you wondered why no historian was involved in its preparation or why they have yet to rate it after so many years in circulation?

In clear terms, there is no paper/book on Bini history/archeology because it has limited records and this as been thoroughly dealt with by Smith, Bradbury, Lloyd, Ryder - all neutral caucasians.

See the excerpt below & stop disgracing your generation with your unending unintelligent comments.

Also, all the research written from the 70s narrating Ife/Yoruba prominence to Bini were given, approved & stamped by your king & members of your royal family.

Nice Job!

They were told many times that the flowery illustrations of their kingdom in literature has no corresponding victories on ground.

If any people should blow the whistle and toot the horn for Benin Kingdom it is Yoruba who own the bragging right, not descendants of those we conquered and installed our son on. But these people have been brainwashed by the Ekaladheran hoax to a point theyve become slaves to the crown.....they worship Omo N'Oba.

Here is Edo...

Oba does not come out in public
Oba does not travel out of the palace
Oba does not open his eyes in public
Oba does not open mouth in public
Oba does not speak in public
Oba does not blink in public
Oba does not walk in public
Oba does not walk on ground
Oba does not sit in public
Oba' teeth must not be seen in public
Oba's tongue must not be seen
Oba does not shake hand....


So they wrap all these nonsensical mysteries around the Oba and pretend he is god. The king plays along to further enshrine his authority over the slaves.....and stays out of public glare.

In the end Edo has remained stuck in the 17th century and in a neighborhood of fierce competitors struggling for recognition in 21st century political victory. It has thus become a minority below the minority class. It left Western Region to form MidWest, left that and shrunk to Bendel, left that to become a landlocked Edo.


Anyway, no dongo turanchi.

Where is Ekaladheran body buried?

Edo i need answer o.

davidnazee:
This screen shot of the Benin study you posted doesn't say anything to dispute what my argument has been, that Benin was a super power compared to the Yoruba Kingdoms.. From the post you can see it says Benin was the only powerful Kingdom in southern Nigeria ruling from coast of river Niger through Yoruba lands to Lagos and beyond..
If you have more documents to discredit my argument please post it but if this is all you have to show then you are a big fool.. You post document that says Benin ruled Yoruba and you insulting me..

LOL it is bad that, on top of everything wrong with your skewed mind, you are not very smart.

The article pointed out that:

1. Bini was a kingdom & not an empire.

2. Also, the sponsorship was financed by region. Yoruba was West not Southwest. Igbos were East not South East. Rivers, Delta, Bini formed the South.

3. Also, the paper emphasised that Bini power was much more evident in Igbo lands & Niger-Delta.

Finally, that paper was a hypothesis upon which the research was based upon. At the end of it, parts of the hypothesis proved true while a lot of it turned out to be false. You’re not well read, smh.

davidnazee:
Yorubas please be like the Edos, post documents to prove your claims and stop this your lies, myths and fables.. We the Edos don't waste our time dabbling in rubbish like you guys.. See your brother above just post a document that unfortunately for you details Edo as the greatest.

Document ke?
Document on Ekaldheran??

Since when did that nonsense start

You own ekaldheran....we dont know who he is.

You give us your document that shows where he died. Thats next task. I already demystified the co.ck and bull story of his fathers chiefs and their harlot queen. I wrote on the deranged father that didnt care to kill a child to solve barreness or wouldnt care to give the one he killed a decent burial.


We are past all that. Hurry up and disclose where ekaladheran died and was buried. The chapter of his life is not complete without a burial.

Y0ruba:
LOL it is bad that, on top of everything wrong with your skewed mind, you are not very smart.

The article pointed out that:

1. Bini was a kingdom & not an entire.

2. Also, the sponsorship was financed by region. Yoruba was West not Southwest. Igbos were East not South East. Rivers, Delta, Bini formed the South.

3. Also, the paper emphasised that Bini power was much more evident in Igbo lands & Niger-Delta.

Finally, that paper was a hypothesis upon which the research was based upon. At the end of it, parts of the hypothesis proved true while a lot of it turned out to be false. You’re not well read, smh.

See your life na.. if it was false so why you no show the outcome proving it was false that Benin was a super power? Till you do it will be assumed by all that Benin was a super power compared to Yoruba and ruled over Yoruba people.. because that's what your post shows..
and to show how much of a mugu you are, the document does not say Benin wasn't an empire, it says Benin stretches fro Lagos to river Niger. and that Benin was the most powerful. If that is not an empire then you are indirectly saying Benin Kingdom included areas from Lagos through Yoruba lands up to River Niger which is good for me lol..
funny thing is that the document is titled yoruba history but first it pays homage to Benin Kingdom.. We were the boss and you were the servants.
The only people you succeed in deceiving here are you fellow yorubas like babaramota, olu, moneywoman, moorish and other yorubas..

davidnazee:
See your life na.. if it was false so why you no show the outcome proving it was false that Benin was a super power? Till you do it will be assumed by all that Benin was a super power compared to Yoruba and ruled over Yoruba people.. because that's what your post shows..
The only people you succeed in deceiving here are you fellow yorubas like babaramota, olu, moneywoman, moorish and other yorubas..

This is the reason I said you are not very bright ans not well read.

I have posted several sources here proving my claims and you have yet to post anything yet you demand for more proofs neverminding that you dismissed the sources I have posted from top-rated scholars as stupid. The only excerpts you have posted were from one article written by a Yoruba man which you tried to conceal its citation and when I posted it, you quickly tried to play a hand I had earlier anticipated. You’ll need to do better to outsmart a Yoruba person in all matters except for prostitution of course

Now as per the emboldened in your crappy post, if you want proof, you’ll have to read all the works done by researchers who worked on the Bini Historical Scheme to see their verdict. Also, if you want to, go back on couple posts to see what Prof. Horton had to say about the entire research in ‘Ile-Ife: A Reassessment’. The professor collated all the argunenrs for Ife & those for Bini and disected each using mostly evidences from dated archeological findings. If you want proof, look for and read the stockpile of papers or look Horton’s work I posted few pages back. That is the best I can do for you.

Y0ruba:
This is the reason I said you are not very bright ans not well read.

I have posted several sources here proving my claims and you have yet to post anything yet you demand for more proofs neverminding that you dismissed the sources I have posted from top-rated scholars as stupid. The only excerpts you have posted were from one article written by a Yoruba man which you tried to conceal its citation and when I posted it, you quickly tried to play a hand I had earlier anticipated. You’ll need to do better to outsmart a Yoruba person in all matters except for prostitution of course

Now as per the emboldened in your crappy post, if you want proof, you’ll have to read all the works done by researchers who worked on the Bini Historical Scheme to see their verdict. Also, if you want to, go back on couple posts to see what Prof. Horton had to say about the entire research in ‘Ile-Ife: A Reassessment’. The professor collated all the argunenrs for Ife & those for Bini and disected each using mostly evidences from dated archeological findings. If you want proof, look for and read the stockpile of papers or look Horton’s work I posted few pages back. That is the best I can do for you.

I don't need proof from you about Benin greatness.. I'm Edo and as such i know we are great. I'm here to put you in your place, and that place is a place for the conquered. You will remain there in history as a conquered tribe.. I didnt make it up, its all there in archives for you to see and as a researcher that you claim to be I guess you must have seen them..