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Olu317:
is it because your name carries Axxemen ? A bloody clown,even the monicker you use belonged to Yoruba. After all yoruba created that group . Have you no knowledge of who owns confraternity that begun in Nigeria's university,especially UI and Uniben in the 1960s ? You are pained and you lost control like an abnormal child. Obviously, someone Iike you need not be on NL because you are not fit to chat with my cotemporary nor me. I can't just imaging you being on this thread ? Anyway NL is for all even if such is still a todler like you. You have no knowledge of what you embark on because you have no regard for people who is far older than you. Typical nonsense

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I would deal with you I promise!!
No be today your matter don dey men table .... You will get what's coming jobless stinky BA's.tard

Moorish:
No.

They are not blood brothers, but I love them all thesame.

I grew up in the former Bendel Region. I was born there too.

Oh k. I have Cousin From Edo ,who are related to matrilineal lineage. My Mother's elder sister(Youba) married to the man from Ikpoba.

AxxeMan:
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I would deal with you I promise!!
No be today your matter don dey men table .... You will get what's coming jobless stinky BA's.tard

Please you do not kill someone over mere words..

People go always tell you word

You go kill tire

However..

I can sponsor a boxing match between you two if you want

At a location of your choice

The winner would get 100k and 10 lightskinned women with big backsides

davidnazee:
Actually Edos and Yorubas are supposed to be the closest tribes in Nigeria.. In my location where I live (im not in Nigeria) the closest Nigerian tribes are the Edos and Yorubas.. They always hangout together, run things together, even fight and stand up for each other.. They are closer than Igbos and other Nigerian Tribes.. and I believe that closeness won't diminish no matter what mumus like Babaramota and his likes are doing..

But however If any Yoruba try to undermine Edos, we will retaliate with fire and fury that will shock the entire Yoruba race..

Ekaladheran, we hear you.

Olu317:
Are you new in this world? Perhaps you are a member ofAxxemen's group like the Young Edo boi who threatened with his monicker ? Google is your friend. In fact, Wole soyinka is a familar name to you and if not, google pirates confra . So ,you don't know that Uniben wasnt suppoose to the Base of Axe ......? I mock you.
Funny enough,there are information on internent and off internent

I won't stoop low to engage any of you again nor quote you again because you are beneath me and have attitude problem

You are a stinky Jew.. u no know anything

Olu317:
is it because your name carries Axxemen ? A bloody clown,even the monicker you use belonged to Yoruba. After all yoruba created that group . Have you no knowledge of who owns confraternity that begun in Nigeria's university,especially UI and Uniben in the 1960s ? You are pained and you lost control like an abnormal child. Obviously, someone Iike you need not be on NL because you are not fit to chat with my cotemporary nor me. I can't just imaging you being on this thread ? Anyway NL is for all even if such is still a todler like you. You have no knowledge of what you embark on because you have no regard for people who is far older than you. Typical nonsense

So you have finally stooped so low to the point of quickly claiming ownership of an evil invention as cultism that has wrecked immeasurable havoc on the educational system of Nigeria? There's nothing desperation wouldn't lead a man to do. Please, nobody is dragging that with you. You should also claim Satan as well.

Moorish, your passifist stance has restrained some of us and I hope you would recognize that as a mark of respect. But at this point, we return to the trenches. I'm sorry, but BabaRamota should take the blame for that.

If we could draw this battle from page one to page 64, engaging more informed yorubas all the way and still standing, I assure BabaRamota that we could do uncountable pages over this stuff.

From now, BabaRamota would be given fire for fire on a ratio 1:10. He clearly underestimates the people he's dealing with here. But henceforth, no more diplomacy, it would be crude and brutal not minding who's ox is gored.

Let's Go!

steveosaz:
So you have finally stooped so low to the point of quickly claiming ownership of an evil invention as cultism that has wrecked immeasurable havoc on the educational system of Nigeria? There's nothing desperation wouldn't lead a man to do. Please, nobody is dragging that with you. You should also claim Satan as well.

Everything evil is a Yoruba invention.. human ritualists Na them, thief go steal ordinary salt them go burn am to death, armed robberies na dem, confraternity that has become a scourge in our society started with them as Olu just claimed..

these guys are still ranting here ..

you edos should know when to throw in the towel.. wise don't need advice and fool won't take it

davidnazee:
Lol.. first of all, non of your mumu yoruba brothers even liked or shared your rants because they know its foolish..
Benin Kingdom conquered everywhere in Eastern Yoruba.. according to your Yoruba scholar Akintoye, he stated that Bradbury who visited the area after Bossman said Benin Conquered and ruled everywhere.. But Akintoye based his self serving analysis on Bossman who came to the area before Bradbury came.. In real life any judgement is always based on "recent findings" and Bradbury findings was more recent.

Also Akintoye saying the Benin Armies who went to quell the Yoruba riots met stiff resistance and decided to "stay behind" and join the locals in their "local war"... I no fit laugh ooo..
That statement from Akintoye is a convenient way of lying and hiding the truth.. The truth is that the armies was highly successful and they were mandated to remain in the area to make sure no more riots happened again, and also to protect Edo citizens and Edo interests in the region.. I have been shouting all along that it was the Benin Armies that actually fought the Ekiti Kparakpo wars.. This statement by Akintoye just proved me right.
Our Armies that stayed behind and fought your local wars was the Benin Armies fighting to protect Edos hold on Eastern Yoruba.. Ibadan's aim in the war was to rescue its Yoruba brothers from the over 500yrs subjugation by the mighty Benin Empire..

No matter how hard you yorubas try to distort history the truth and fact will remain very glaring for all to see.. Even Akintoye could have denied Benin ever beheaded the Deji but because the beheading was done publicly he could not..

e pain am in ur comment u discredit akitoye but use him as refrence again. The Bradbury u quote claim Benin was already weak by the 18th century himself and did not have a strong army. In the document u only attack few towns in modern ondo and ekiti and that ended in the 18c when u try to attack once more in the 19c they kick ur ass back to Benin villages and killed all ur warrior. Benin could not conquer anybody for 500 years coz it could not even stay strong for that long. From late 16th century to early 18 c that was 110 years and use spend most of fighting according to the document posted. By the 19c some of the same ekiti town u fought came back to Benin and conquered ur land and u had to beg. I know it hurts but if we are going by the document posted that’s the story. Benin kicked their ass century back which didn’t last long u tried to kick it again u failed and they kicked ur ass and soon they march to Benin village and kicked ur ass and take ur land and u coward were begging. All the edo lead warrior that fought in ekiti were all dead only their coward follower stayed back and none was involved in the ekiti parapo war. It was lead by fabunmi and ogedengbe oko edo. No Benin coward needed. Benin fought like 6 villages in ekiti and ondo briefly and won for a little over a century and this kingdom came back to show u pepper by the way. This is the story the document portray not ur stupid 500 years unless if from late 16c to 18c is 500 years to u

davidnazee:
Everything evil is a Yoruba invention.. human ritualists Na them, thief go steal ordinary salt them go burn am to death, armed robberies na dem, confraternity that has become a scourge in our society started with them as Olu just claimed..

shut up there do u not see that’s as far back ur dumb ogiso use his son as ritual to have more kids I mean talk about typical edo dumbass. Con fraternity is one of the best inventions ever but u can blame Yoruba if it goes bad in Nigeria I mean see the other group like edo human trafficker who will always turn it bad. Even ur broad axeman is already threatening people on this thread coz he is too pained and his next course of action is violence.

steveosaz:
So you have finally stooped so low to the point of quickly claiming ownership of an evil invention as cultism that has wrecked immeasurable havoc on the educational system of Nigeria? There's nothing desperation wouldn't lead a man to do. Please, nobody is dragging that with you. You should also claim Satan as well.

steveosaz so con fraternity is an evil invention.

BabaRamota1980:
Listen, are you aware of the ekaladheran saga between Yoruba and Edo?

Go and look anywhere, in library, online, follow oral history....nowhere can you find anything called ekaladheran. Then Oba Erediauwa visited Ife in 79 and returned home bitter. Even Oba Ewuare II has confessed he had no clue what happened to Oba. By 1982 there are stories of an ekaladheran. All the scholars that corrected him and said ekaladheran was not Oduduwa were blacklisted. He belittled Eghavreba and said the honorary doctorate conferred on the man by UI had no worth. Can you imagine? Just because Eghavreba set records straight and said ekaladheran story was not true.

Anyway, Edos have championed the lies and at every opportunity they will jump online to profess that Oduduwa is their fugitive son. Thats the height of insult not just to Ife but to Yoruba race. What has Yoruba done to earn such insult from Edo? But they are intoxicated with that throne. Whatever is put forward from that throne posesses their spirit. Its a witchcraft.

Inspite of their barrage of insults we always yield ground and allow them to have last word.

This thread is ourvfavor back to them.

Do you know who Mayor of Lagos is?

That chap is the one that broke the myth about Ojukwu's father owning a RollsRoyce that Queen of England rode in during 1956 visit to Nigeria.

He also broke the myth about Sir Louis Ojukwu's reputation as the richest Nigerian in his days.

He is also the one that broke the ekaladheran myth and clearly and convincingly showed the hoax in it.

After that i became his disciple.

If i called Mayor here on page 1 by page 10 he would have broken ekaladheran to pieces and show the Edos the forest he perished in and direct them where to find his bones if they wanted decent burial for him. Thats getting carried away but thats to highlight how good the guy is ...he has eyes for penetrating bullshytte. Edo will suffer humiliation if Mayor jump in here. Shymexx will take them to cleaners easily and use them to mop the nairaland toilet.


So we have backed off enough...its time to lean in heavily and bring a long lasting blow for Edo to begin reshape its witchcraft and go back to the days when they recognized our superiority.

by now they think we would have leave this thread like we always do but no it won’t happen this time. It will keep going

Moneywomen17:
e pain am in ur comment u discredit akitoye but use him as refrence again. The Bradbury u quote claim Benin was already weak by the 18th century himself and did not have a strong army. In the document u only attack few towns in modern ondo and ekiti and that ended in the 18c when u try to attack once more in the 19c they kick ur ass back to Benin villages and killed all ur warrior. Benin could not conquer anybody for 500 years coz it could not even stay strong for that long. From late 16th century to early 18 c that was 110 years and use spend most of fighting according to the document posted. By the 19c some of the same ekiti town u fought came back to Benin and conquered ur land and u had to beg. I know it hurts but if we are going by the document posted that’s the story. Benin kicked their ass century back which didn’t last long u tried to kick it again u failed and they kicked ur ass and soon they march to Benin village and kicked ur ass and take ur land and u coward were begging. All the edo lead warrior that fought in ekiti were all dead only their coward follower stayed back and none was involved in the ekiti parapo war. It was lead by fabunmi and ogedengbe oko edo. No Benin coward needed. Benin fought like 6 villages in ekiti and ondo briefly and won for a little over a century and this kingdom came back to show u pepper by the way. This is the story the document portray not ur stupid 500 years unless if from late 16c to 18c is 500 years to u

We only fought 6 villages, we were kicked in the ass lol. Keep consoling yourself Yoruba man lol.
Anyways I won’t argue with u too much. U can read the screen shots below and count some of the few towns in Yoruba we conquered. It’s about 100 there, I still have many more but weep on this ones first.

steveosaz:
Moorish, your passifist stance has restrained some of us and I hope you would recognize that as a mark of respect. But at this point, we return to the trenches. I'm sorry, but BabaRamota should take the blame for that.

If we could draw this battle from page one to page 64, engaging more informed yorubas all the way and still standing, I assure BabaRamota that we could do uncountable pages over this stuff.

From now, BabaRamota would be given fire for fire on a ratio 1:10. He clearly underestimates the people he's dealing with here. But henceforth, no more diplomacy, it would be crude and brutal not minding who's ox is gored.

Let's Go!

Respect to you too brother

steveosaz:
So you have finally stooped so low to the point of quickly claiming ownership of an evil invention as cultism that has wrecked immeasurable havoc on the educational system of Nigeria? There's nothing desperation wouldn't lead a man to do. Please, nobody is dragging that with you. You should also claim Satan as well.

Why not deal with the root cause of the issue instead of emotionally trying to be ignorantly innocent? Your Edo brother threatened to deal with me if it wasn't NL. What an insult! I only gave him a pill to reset his shallowness. Someone as he shouldnt be allowed on NL if I have my way on NL, I compel people to use either their name as part of their monicker or use friendly monicker that is devoid of anything that has to do with any form of weapon but I don't have such authority. And if you refer to cultic groups as Yoruba's pride ,then, you shouldn't forget that even the masquerade and societies done in secrecy in African community and elsewhere in the world are also cults. Even Christianity was once done in secrecy because of persecution, which made it a cultic group before the religion gradually gained access to the larger societies. To even go further, religion as a whole is a cult. Mind you, this thread isn't about digression on cultism because students cultism has over the years done more harm than any good associated with it. But don't blame me ,instead, blame the young man that preferred to identified with an identity/monicker as ‘axxemen' ,on a social media, where he threatened someone,who is not with the same school of thought with him. Good back to the former pages and read ,then ,ponder over such statement..Period

prolog2:
First of all it is Omo n'Oba n'Edo. Second of all there is still no proof of any visit to your orun oba ado.

Who do we now believe among you two, Steveosaz or you? I'm waiting

Babaramota come and carry your stooges

rhektor:
Who do we now believe among you two, Steveosaz or you? I'm waiting

Babaramota come and carry your stooges

The sons of a dimwit ogiso. Their 800yr old witchcraft that was brought in sun few weeks ago has not been locked up yet. I suspect it has taken posession of their spirits again.
Bloody ekaladherans!

BabaRamota1980:

The sons of a dimwit ogiso. Their 800yr old witchcraft that was brought in sun few weeks ago has not been locked up yet. I suspect it has taken posession of their spirits again.
Bloody ekaladherans!

Something for you to think about...

Warfare, Banditry and Rebellion: Ethnicity and Slave Recruitment in Northeastern Yorubaland, 1820-1893

Eastern Yorubaland also felt the impact of its powerful eastern neighbor, Benin. When Benin invaded Ekiti between 1818-1823, the aim was to quell provincial revolt and regain control over the region’s economy. Indeed by reasserting control over the trade routes, which linked it with Yorubaland, Benin strengthened the position of its long distance traders, the Ekhengbo (from Ekhen Egbo) (ekhen, traders; egbo, forest). Akure and Benin traditions agree that the invasion of Akure was precipitated by a commercial dispute following an attack on a Benin tobacco trader, Ogonto, who was accused of violating an Akure law. Even though the information is scanty, it is possible to situate the Benin invasion at this time and the economic dispute at its root, within the context of the rise in the supply of slaves by the wars in Yorubaland and Hausaland. Benin traders would have desired to tap into the northern Yoruba slave fields as well as send foreign goods into the interior. They would have also wanted alternative markets, even if temporary, to counterbalance the disruptive effect of the Nupe political crisis on Benin’s trade with the Niger. Consequently, Benin soldiers, under Ologbosere Imaran and Ezemo Erebo, carried out punitive expeditions, which left so much destruction that the fear of Benin lingered on till the early years of colonial occupation. Several Ekiti, Akoko and Owo towns were sacked and in them were created Benin colonies under the Balekale (consuls).

With the victory, Benin reasserted its control over trade in Ekiti, Owo and Akoko, and Benin enclaves in Owo, Akure, Ikere and Ado-Ekiti became the nexus of trade between Benin and Yorubaland. Both Akure and Idanre traditions agree that owing to Benin commercial activities, a nineteenth century ruler, Deji Gbogi and an influential woman, Olokoju both of Akure founded Alade village/market (near Idanre) as a meeting point for Ekiti, Idanre, Ondo, Owo, Ijebu, Benin and Ijesa traders. Imported items such as guns, salt and metal implements from Benin were sold as far as Ilesa, Ekiti and Ilorin. This earned the Ekhengbo the distinction of being called the “first long-distance traders in Ekiti.” Although the Akure king’s list seems to put Igbogi in an earlier century, the reference to the importation of guns would put his reign in the mid-nineteenth century. Most significant was that commercial metal products point to the position of Akure as a regional market. As we shall show in chapter four, Benin traders undermined direct commercial contacts between Ekiti and Ondo for a greater part of the century.

Olu317:
Why not deal with the root cause of the issue instead of emotionally trying to be ignorantly innocent? Your Edo brother threatened to deal with me if it wasn't NL. What an insult! I only gave him a pill to reset his shallowness. Someone as he shouldnt be allowed on NL if I have my way on NL, I compel people to use either their name as part of their monicker or use friendly monicker that is devoid of anything that has to do with any form of weapon but I don't have such authority. And if you refer to cultic groups as Yoruba's pride ,then, you shouldn't forget that even the masquerade and societies done in secrecy in African community and elsewhere in the world are also cults. Even Christianity was once done in secrecy because of persecution, which made it a cultic group before the religion gradually gained access to the larger societies. To even go further, religion as a whole is a cult. Mind you, this thread isn't about digression on cultism because students cultism has over the years done more harm than any good associated with it. But don't blame me ,instead, blame the young man that preferred to identified with an identity/monicker as ‘axxemen' ,on a social media, where he threatened someone,who is not with the same school of thought with him. Good back to the former pages and read ,then ,ponder over such statement..Period

If that modfvkr Axxe just see a gun alone not to talk hear it whistle, he go shit for pant.

How many bad A$$ killers do you know come out and announce their mission ahead of a kill?


Axxe is the guy cultists send to go buy weed and beer. He couldnt tell difference between a revolver or a pistol neither identify a shotgun from a rifle. He handles weed, not guns.

davidnazee:
Something for you to think about...

Warfare, Banditry and Rebellion: Ethnicity and Slave Recruitment in Northeastern Yorubaland, 1820-1893

Eastern Yorubaland also felt the impact of its powerful eastern neighbor, Benin. When Benin invaded Ekiti between 1818-1823, the aim was to quell provincial revolt and regain control over the region’s economy. Indeed by reasserting control over the trade routes, which linked it with Yorubaland, Benin strengthened the position of its long distance traders, the Ekhengbo (from Ekhen Egbo) (ekhen, traders; egbo, forest). Akure and Benin traditions agree that the invasion of Akure was precipitated by a commercial dispute following an attack on a Benin tobacco trader, Ogonto, who was accused of violating an Akure law. Even though the information is scanty, it is possible to situate the Benin invasion at this time and the economic dispute at its root, within the context of the rise in the supply of slaves by the wars in Yorubaland and Hausaland. Benin traders would have desired to tap into the northern Yoruba slave fields as well as send foreign goods into the interior. They would have also wanted alternative markets, even if temporary, to counterbalance the disruptive effect of the Nupe political crisis on Benin’s trade with the Niger. Consequently, Benin soldiers, under Ologbosere Imaran and Ezemo Erebo, carried out punitive expeditions, which left so much destruction that the fear of Benin lingered on till the early years of colonial occupation. Several Ekiti, Akoko and Owo towns were sacked and in them were created Benin colonies under the Balekale (consuls).

With the victory, Benin reasserted its control over trade in Ekiti, Owo and Akoko, and Benin enclaves in Owo, Akure, Ikere and Ado-Ekiti became the nexus of trade between Benin and Yorubaland. Both Akure and Idanre traditions agree that owing to Benin commercial activities, a nineteenth century ruler, Deji Gbogi and an influential woman, Olokoju both of Akure founded Alade village/market (near Idanre) as a meeting point for Ekiti, Idanre, Ondo, Owo, Ijebu, Benin and Ijesa traders. Imported items such as guns, salt and metal implements from Benin were sold as far as Ilesa, Ekiti and Ilorin. This earned the Ekhengbo the distinction of being called the “first long-distance traders in Ekiti.” Although the Akure king’s list seems to put Igbogi in an earlier century, the reference to the importation of guns would put his reign in the mid-nineteenth century. Most significant was that commercial metal products point to the position of Akure as a regional market. As we shall show in chapter four, Benin traders undermined direct commercial contacts between Ekiti and Ondo for a greater part of the century.

Ill discuss at my own time. You dont bring a discussion to me without me first asking.

You lack sense of protocol for your superiors. Now go and sit your @$$ down! When im ready ill call you to come and make your presentation. Im enjoying myself right now. Do you hear me?

davidnazee:
We only fought 6 villages, we were kicked in the ass lol. Keep consoling yourself Yoruba man lol.
Anyways I won’t argue with u too much. U can read the screen shots below and count some of the few towns in Yoruba we conquered. It’s about 100 there, I still have many more but weep on this ones first.

davidnazee:
Something for you to think about...

Warfare, Banditry and Rebellion: Ethnicity and Slave Recruitment in Northeastern Yorubaland, 1820-1893

Eastern Yorubaland also felt the impact of its powerful eastern neighbor, Benin. When Benin invaded Ekiti between 1818-1823, the aim was to quell provincial revolt and regain control over the region’s economy. Indeed by reasserting control over the trade routes, which linked it with Yorubaland, Benin strengthened the position of its long distance traders, the Ekhengbo (from Ekhen Egbo) (ekhen, traders; egbo, forest). Akure and Benin traditions agree that the invasion of Akure was precipitated by a commercial dispute following an attack on a Benin tobacco trader, Ogonto, who was accused of violating an Akure law. Even though the information is scanty, it is possible to situate the Benin invasion at this time and the economic dispute at its root, within the context of the rise in the supply of slaves by the wars in Yorubaland and Hausaland. Benin traders would have desired to tap into the northern Yoruba slave fields as well as send foreign goods into the interior. They would have also wanted alternative markets, even if temporary, to counterbalance the disruptive effect of the Nupe political crisis on Benin’s trade with the Niger. Consequently, Benin soldiers, under Ologbosere Imaran and Ezemo Erebo, carried out punitive expeditions, which left so much destruction that the fear of Benin lingered on till the early years of colonial occupation. Several Ekiti, Akoko and Owo towns were sacked and in them were created Benin colonies under the Balekale (consuls).

With the victory, Benin reasserted its control over trade in Ekiti, Owo and Akoko, and Benin enclaves in Owo, Akure, Ikere and Ado-Ekiti became the nexus of trade between Benin and Yorubaland. Both Akure and Idanre traditions agree that owing to Benin commercial activities, a nineteenth century ruler, Deji Gbogi and an influential woman, Olokoju both of Akure founded Alade village/market (near Idanre) as a meeting point for Ekiti, Idanre, Ondo, Owo, Ijebu, Benin and Ijesa traders. Imported items such as guns, salt and metal implements from Benin were sold as far as Ilesa, Ekiti and Ilorin. This earned the Ekhengbo the distinction of being called the “first long-distance traders in Ekiti.” Although the Akure king’s list seems to put Igbogi in an earlier century, the reference to the importation of guns would put his reign in the mid-nineteenth century. Most significant was that commercial metal products point to the position of Akure as a regional market. As we shall show in chapter four, Benin traders undermined direct commercial contacts between Ekiti and Ondo for a greater part of the century.

Uncle

1. Both your sources were written by Yoruba men. When do you intend to start posting articles written by those of Bini origins? Can’t find any? Would you take offense if non-diplomatic Yoruba attacked you by saying ‘Binis depend on Yoruba for everything including sources for their own history?’ Just kidding

2. If you took a deep breath and read the page you screenshot & and the text you posted, you would see that the towns Bini invaded before in Ekiti are to the south. Apart from those added during state creation, there are 16 kingdoms in Ekiti, Bini invaded about 6. If you look at present day Ondo state, there are several towns in between Bini & Ondo town, several towns between Bini & Akure town. All sources are quiet about Bini’s presence in the go-between towns. This can be interpreted to mean they were not conquered. Do you not think this would make Bini’s grip on Ondo town & Akure town difficult to sustain?

3. Both papers including the one from Prof. Akintoye agree that Bini’s invasion was not for conquest or empire building. It was rather to protect Bini’s long distance traders & consequently Bini’s economic interest as can be seen with Lagos when Bini traders were harrassed & soldiers were sent from Bini to protect them along the coast in Lagos. Bini was not expanding an empire, it was, like the present day USA protecting her economic interests & citizens by planting military bases on places of interest.

4. All articles used so far agreed that Bini’s activities were limited to south of Ekiti, Ondo town [not the entire Ondo state] & Akure town. All the articles also agreed that these towns revolted, murdered Bini traders & a war of re-invasion to quel revolt broke out.

5. All articles agreed that Bini lost control of the towns, attempted to take them back but failed. Prof Akitoye who used several sources mostly from Europeans [see footnotes in the document] stated that the introduction of guns into the interior changed the game & Bini army was defeated in southern Ekiti, Ondo town & Akure.

6. This goes to show that, like Ijebu controlled the trade on the coastal town of Lagos, Bini also controlled trade in the coast and as a result monopolized guns which the Bini army used to achieve her several invasions until her previous victims laid hands on guns too.

7. In essence Bini’s invasion was an unequal warfare. Bini brought guns to a bow, arrow, spear & machete fight. Nothing was special about Bini army. Kind of like how Britain used guns & canons against Bini kingdom which used basic war instruments during the punitive expedition. If Bini had guns & cannons too, it would have been different. Lagos had & used guns against Britain at a war that lasted for several days until a mishap occured in the Lagos camp with gunpowder catching on fire and ruining everything. In one word, Bini army fought a war against a disadvantaged group.

8. While we Yoruba agree that your Bini army invaded parts of Eastern Yorubaland. We Yoruba are stating that [based on facts posted by you & us] that your invasion was limited to 6 towns in south Ekiti, Ondo town & Akure town. We are also saying that you had guns to fight swords, bow, arrow & spear. We are also saying that when the Ondo, Ekiti & Akure people had guns they repelled you and crushed your army for life.

Moneywomen17:
e pain am in ur comment u discredit akitoye but use him as refrence again. The Bradbury u quote claim Benin was already weak by the 18th century himself and did not have a strong army. In the document u only attack few towns in modern ondo and ekiti and that ended in the 18c when u try to attack once more in the 19c they kick ur ass back to Benin villages and killed all ur warrior. Benin could not conquer anybody for 500 years coz it could not even stay strong for that long. From late 16th century to early 18 c that was 110 years and use spend most of fighting according to the document posted. By the 19c some of the same ekiti town u fought came back to Benin and conquered ur land and u had to beg. I know it hurts but if we are going by the document posted that’s the story. Benin kicked their ass century back which didn’t last long u tried to kick it again u failed and they kicked ur ass and soon they march to Benin village and kicked ur ass and take ur land and u coward were begging. All the edo lead warrior that fought in ekiti were all dead only their coward follower stayed back and none was involved in the ekiti parapo war. It was lead by fabunmi and ogedengbe oko edo. No Benin coward needed. Benin fought like 6 villages in ekiti and ondo briefly and won for a little over a century and this kingdom came back to show u pepper by the way. This is the story the document portray not ur stupid 500 years unless if from late 16c to 18c is 500 years to u

I don’t know why & how the uncle is blind to ther simple analysis stated in the paper.

Olu317:
Why not deal with the root cause of the issue instead of emotionally trying to be ignorantly innocent? Your Edo brother threatened to deal with me if it wasn't NL. What an insult! I only gave him a pill to reset his shallowness. Someone as he shouldnt be allowed on NL if I have my way on NL, I compel people to use either their name as part of their monicker or use friendly monicker that is devoid of anything that has to do with any form of weapon but I don't have such authority. And if you refer to cultic groups as Yoruba's pride ,then, you shouldn't forget that even the masquerade and societies done in secrecy in African community and elsewhere in the world are also cults. Even Christianity was once done in secrecy because of persecution, which made it a cultic group before the religion gradually gained access to the larger societies. To even go further, religion as a whole is a cult. Mind you, this thread isn't about digression on cultism because students cultism has over the years done more harm than any good associated with it. But don't blame me ,instead, blame the young man that preferred to identified with an identity/monicker as ‘axxemen' ,on a social media, where he threatened someone,who is not with the same school of thought with him. Good back to the former pages and read ,then ,ponder over such statement..Period

This is just you being dubious as usual. You clearly claimed ownership of the origin of cult groups in Nigeria. That was an all time low. We ain't in the era of traditional societies any longer, and even at that, I believe their cryptic and fetish practices was what led them to lose many devotees. Christianity was never a cult, stop creating baseless allusions. Practicing your faith in secrecy due to societal persecution very different from you being a predator and a menace to the generality of society.

BabaRamota1980:
Ill discuss at my own time. You dont bring a discussion to me without me first asking.

You lack sense of protocol for your superiors. Now go and sit your @$$ down! When im ready ill call you to come and make your presentation. Im enjoying myself right now. Do you hear me?

Shameless coward in action. That's how they ran away from every single battle in history. Once a slave, always a slave. Drag back your stinky ass in here dummy.

You are gonna get some fries with that whip ass!

Moneywomen17:
steveosaz so con fraternity is an evil invention.

Don't be a dick!
Don't you know what context means?

Within the Nigerian context, confraternity is an evil contraption.

Y0ruba:
Uncle

1. Both your sources were written by Yoruba men. When do you intend to start posting articles written by those of Bini origins? Can’t find any? Would you take offense if non-diplomatic Yoruba attacked you by saying ‘Binis depend on Yoruba for everything including sources for their own history?’ Just kidding

2. If you took a deep breath and read the page you screenshot & and the text you posted, you would see that the towns Bini invaded before in Ekiti are to the south. Apart from those added during state creation, there are 16 kingdoms in Ekiti, Bini invaded about 6. If you look at present day Ondo state, there are several towns in between Bini & Ondo town, several towns between Bini & Akure town. All sources are quiet about Bini’s presence in the go-between towns. This can be interpreted to mean they were not conquered. Do you not think this would make Bini’s grip on Ondo town & Akure town difficult to sustain?

3. Both papers including the one from Prof. Akintoye agree that Bini’s invasion was not for conquest or empire building. It was rather to protect Bini’s long distance traders & consequently Bini’s economic interest as can be seen with Lagos when Bini traders were harrassed & soldiers were sent from Bini to protect them along the coast in Lagos. Bini was not expanding an empire, it was, like the present day USA protecting her economic interests & citizens by planting military bases on places of interest.

4. All articles used so far agreed that Bini’s activities were limited to south of Ekiti, Ondo town [not the entire Ondo state] & Akure town. All the articles also agreed that these towns revolted, murdered Bini traders & a war of re-invasion to quel revolt broke out.

5. All articles agreed that Bini lost control of the towns, attempted to take them back but failed. Prof Akitoye who used several sources mostly from Europeans [see footnotes in the document] stated that the introduction of guns into the interior changed the game & Bini army was defeated in southern Ekiti, Ondo town & Akure.

6. This goes to show that, like Ijebu controlled the trade on the coastal town of Lagos, Bini also controlled trade in the coast and as a result monopolized guns which the Bini army used to achieve her several invasions until her previous victims laid hands on guns too.

7. In essence Bini’s invasion was an unequal warfare. Bini brought guns to a bow, arrow, spear & machete fight. Nothing was special about Bini army. Kind of like how Bini used guns & canons against Bini kingdom when Bini ised basic war instruments during the punitive expedition. If Bini had guns & cannons too, it would have been different. Lagos had & used guns against Britain at a war that lasted for several days until a mishap occured in the Lagos camp with gunpowder catching on fire and ruining everything. In one word, Bini army fought a war against a disadvantaged group.

8. While we Yoruba agree that your Bini army invaded parts of Eastern Yorubaland. We Yoruba are stating that [based on facts posted by you & us] that your invasion was limited to 6 towns in south Ekiti, Ondo town & Akure town. We are also saying that you had guns to fight swords, bow, arrow & spear. We are also saying that when the Ondo, Ekiti & Akure people had guns they repelled you and crushed your army for life.

What hocus pocus are you talking about here. Warfare anywhere in the world, throughout history has always been about superior weaponry. You trivializing gun possession by the Bini's that gave them a significant edge over you people is the height of dishonesty and that explains the type of beans the Akintoye guy is. Between world war one and WWII, several improvements were made to howitzer guns and armoured tanks to gain substantial advantage against the enemy within short periods. Other inventions like the anti tank and anti aircraft guns were also produced for competitive advantage in warfare. The AK47 was designed to give the Russians an edge, though it came after WWII and has remained a weapon of choice for law enforcement agencies and criminals alike all over the world. The point is; superior weapons is what wins wars and since the Edos had that comparative advantage over the yorubas for several centuries, that clearly places them ahead and thanks to those guns, they gave Bini the pride it still enjoys today. Sentimentally subjective writers like Akintoye are a disgrace to literature because the idiot was basically working from the answer to the question.

Y0ruba:
I don’t know why & how the uncle is blind to ther simple analysis stated in the paper.

If yorubaland ever had this non existent valour and gallanyyou are hallucinating about here, they would easily have taken back Ilorin. But your people have always been cowards who would rather obey that be defiant. Empires and kingdoms rise and fall. History has been very kind to Benin as being the last standing power house after the arrival of the whites. Document the decline of the Oyo empire and let's compare and contrast.

BabaRamota1980:

The sons of a dimwit ogiso. Their 800yr old witchcraft that was brought in sun few weeks ago has not been locked up yet. I suspect it has taken posession of their spirits again.
Bloody ekaladherans!

The Ogiso dynasty is well alluded to by not only the Edos, but even our brothers; the Itsekiri and Urhobo. That's exactly the same way many, including the Bini's, the Alaafin of Oyo and so many others agree that Ooni was a houseboy in Oduduwa's court. How that houseboy eventually became a king is the dubious mystery of the yorubas. But not only did a slave become a king(taboo), he was made to appear as the greatest of Yoruba kings, even ahead of the Alaafin who is a direct Oduduwa son. This mystery is what the yorubas have decided to use their broom to sweep under the carpet.

Many would have respected you more had you placed ooni in his rightful place, but you people allowed politics to overshadow truth by bringing an impostor, a stranger and worse off a slave to the elevation of being the number one monarch in yorubaland. Now you are here carrying the burden of defending that fraud.

Even when the ignorantly mischievous Alake of Egbaland Adedotun Gbadebo decided to stoke the fire of controversy the other day by coming out with a shitty arrangements of Yoruba kings where he had them arranged thus; Ooni, Alaafin, Oba of Benin, Alake, Awujale. While Benin palace quickly retorted that Omo n'oba is not a Yoruba king, it was even more embarrassing as an angry Awujale vehemently dismissed the Alake as an ignorant element who was skewing history stating that even if such a list ever existed anywhere, Alake should never feature on such a list being that Alake is the head of Ake and not the entire Egbas which is an aberration and that Ake is one of the smallest and youngest quarters of Egbaland. He stressed that Alake should be Alake of Ake and not of Egbaland and that the confusion was brought about by Awolowo's dubious politics of usurping traditional authorities using stooges who are usually junior kings.

Recently, another Afonja/Alimi wanted to play out Again when the Oluwo of Iwo said he was going to drop the title of Oba and take that of emir. Tomorrow, Yoruba history manufacturers would deny these things. Dishonorable elements.

steveosaz:
What hocus pocus are you talking about here. Warfare anywhere in the world, throughout history has always been about superior weaponry You trivializing gun possession by the Bini's that gave them a significant edge over you people is the height of dishonesty and that explains the type of beans the Akintoye guy is. Between world war one and WWII, several improvements were made to howitzer guns and armoured tanks to gain substantial advantage against the enemy within short periods. Other inventions like the anti tank and anti aircraft guns were also produced for competitive advantage in warfare. The AK47 was designed to give the Russians an edge, though it came after WWII and has remained a weapon of choice for law enforcement agencies and criminals alike all over the world. The point is; superior weapons is what wins wars and since the Edos had that comparative advantage over the yorubas for several centuries, that clearly places them ahead and thanks to those guns, they gave Bini the pride it still enjoys today. Sentimentally subjective writers like Akintoye are a disgrace to literature because the idiot was basically working from the answer to the question.

OK, since that is the case, you’re then stuck with agreeing that since Owo, Akure, Ondo crushed your army for life when they had access to equal weaponry, then the Yoruba of eastern parts were much smarter & intelligent than you.

If all it took was equal weaponry to dislodge your economic strongholds, crush your army forever & have Ogedengbe in your terriroties plundering then you were never a ‘power house’ in the first place.

Executing a war with Superior weaponry against basic arsenal would be tagged a War Crime in this day & age. Wars are now fought with equal weaponry except in the case of deterence.

Be smarter.

steveosaz:
If yorubaland ever had this non existent valour and gallanyyou are hallucinating about here, they would easily have taken back Ilorin. But your people have always been cowards who would rather obey that be defiant. Empires and kingdoms rise and fall. History has been very kind to Benin as being the last standing power house after the arrival of the whites. Document the decline of the Oyo empire and let's compare and contrast.

Bini was never a power house before & after the whites. Bini only capitalized on the chaos that happened across Yorubaland between the time Oyo began to collapse and the time Ibadan stepped in to bring cohesion. In spite of this, Bini was only able to invade a few towns and they all kept revolting until they finally crushed Bini army.

Bini was structured before Oyo but could not even move a pin before and during the time Oyo rose & expanded. A powerhouse would have taken its rightful place before Oyo began going ‘loco’. Kind of like saying the kingdom of Prussia was a powerhouse beside the Kingdom of Austria after the collapse of the Holy Roman empire. Both were derived from the same source but while one was everywhere the other was quiet & suddenly arose. This is the case with Bini, it was an opportunist whose military history depended on guns. While other kingdoms of Nupe, Bairba & Oyo empire relied on cavalry & basic war tools to expand, Bini was nowhere to be found..

Try again, be smarter this time.