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Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Nobody: 11:42pm On Jun 11, 2018
If you are too dumb to be in a debate, then kindly take the door.
Moneywomen17:
am legally blind and I am quite young but u got good eye sight old and experience why don’t u read the map for me now hmmmm
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Moneywomen17(m): 11:44pm On Jun 11, 2018
prolog2:
If you are too dumb to be in a debate, then kindly take the door.
coukd it be the reason u are throwing a fit cuz u too can’t spot anything in the map that buttress all ur wild claim I mean if u are so sure of urself u will have no problem pointing things out cuz it’s just like u once said argument is two side way to reach the truth if I can’t see the “truth” on the map I will hope u will desperately want to point it out to me gaffer
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Nobody: 11:49pm On Jun 11, 2018
You are the same as a person with a very clean window who complains his window is too dirty to see through it.
Well the window can't be any cleaner.
If you can't see through it then you are blind and you are wasting everybody's time.
There is nothing clearer than a map.
If you have problems reading it, then you best spend some time alone making sure your brain evolves, I am not a brain doctor.
Nothing can be clearer than a map.

Moneywomen17:
coukd it be the reason u are throwing a fit cuz u too can’t spot anything in the map that buttress all ur wild claim I mean if u are so sure of urself u will have no problem pointing things out cuz it’s just like u once said argument is two side way to reach the truth if I can’t see the “truth” on the map I will hope u will desperately want to point it out to me gaffer
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Moneywomen17(m): 11:52pm On Jun 11, 2018
prolog2:
You are the same as a person with a very clean window who complains his window is too dirty to see through it.
Well the window can't be any cleaner.
If you can't see through it then you are blind and you are wasting everybody's time.
There is nothing clearer than a map.
If you have problems reading it, then you best spend some time alone making sure your brain evolves, I am not a brain doctor.
Nothing can be clearer than a map.
but that’s just it the map is anything but clear but u know this I ask one last question again where are the places which is moder day Ekiti State and Ondo State among with Lagos island on the map that u always post that’s its part of Benin kingdom. If the map is as clear and u see things clearly than I point out to us what u have seen and where u saw it then I too will have a look. Capisce
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Obalufon: 11:52pm On Jun 11, 2018
prolog2:
A person with half a brain knows how to use the zoom option.
Liars are often very dumb.
Why would those places be bearing those names in that period of time ? It is as if you guys are brainless bots. How dumb can one be ?
stay inside your forest please
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Moneywomen17(m): 11:55pm On Jun 11, 2018
Obalufon:
stay inside your forest please
lol the guy wanted to quote me regarding my question about his map
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Nobody: 11:57pm On Jun 11, 2018
If you know you are this dumb, why waste everybody's time ?
You are not more skilled than a 12 year old, yet you have been talking as if you just discovered a cure for ebola.
What happened to "shvt the hell up" ?

Look, toddler, just go and get educated and come back when you won't need those you are "debating" to give you lessons on the most obvious things.

Moneywomen17:
but that’s just it the map is anything but clear but u know this I ask one last question again where are the places which is moder day Ekiti State and Ondo State among with Lagos island on the map that u always post that’s its part of Benin kingdom. If the map is as clear and u see things clearly than I point out to us what u have seen and where u saw it then I too will have a look. Capisce
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by BabaRamota1980: 11:59pm On Jun 11, 2018
Moneywomen17:
prolong2 any answer. What do u say about my question BabaRamota1980
From what i can gather, there is a white man, I believe Dutch or German, named Olfer Dapper. The story goes that he made name for himself and rose in wealth by "blogging" about Benin. Some of his "blogs" included artworks. It is possible that these are maps drawn and published by Olfer.

What is striking about Olfer is he never left his homeland to visit and see where Bini is or what it looks like but he wrote in flowery style about "Bini washing and polishing walls to make it look like a mirror".

By any measure of imagination this guy takes the trophy for bipolar disorder and acute case of hallucination. If it were today we would say he is on drugs.
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Moneywomen17(m): 12:02am On Jun 12, 2018
prolog2:
If you know you are this dumb, why waste everybody's time.
You are not more skilled than a 12 years old, yet you have been talking as if you just discovered a cure for ebola.
What happened to "shvt the hell up" ?

Look, toddler, just go and get educated and come back when you won't need those you are "debating" to give you lessons on the most obvious things.
omg lol I don catch am all this tantrum just to answer one simple question. I study the average Nigeria I know when they are trying to deflect cuz they have no answer. If u are “smart” which first of all I know u aren’t but if u are the moment I ask such a question from u about a map u hold so dear the first thing u will do along with poking fun at me is further disgrace me by proving ur point on the map but since u can’t prove ur point on the map u are left with just one option and that’s just insult and like a average Nigeria u have not disappointed me. Ur map shows no place that encompass any ekiti nor ondo land at least from my own view but if u have a different view which u do about the map point out where u see the land on the map, it’s name and right now I will eat my words.
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by BabaRamota1980: 12:03am On Jun 12, 2018
prolog2:
If you know you are this dumb, why waste everybody's time ?
You are not more skilled than a 12 year old, yet you have been talking as if you just discovered a cure for ebola.
What happened to "shvt the hell up" ?

Look, toddler, just go and get educated and come back when you won't need those you are "debating" to give you lessons on the most obvious things.
Ekladheran, show the places on the map if you are truthful.

I can show you map of Bini as a tributary of Ife. Why cant you show Ondo as your tributary?

Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Moneywomen17(m): 12:04am On Jun 12, 2018
BabaRamota1980:
From what i can gather, there is a white man, I believe Dutch or German, named Olfer Dapper. The story goes that he made name for himself and rose in wealth by "blogging" about Benin. Some of his "blogs" included artworks. It is possible that these are maps drawn and published by Olfer.

What is striking about Olfer is he never left his homeland to visit and see where Bini is or what it looks like but he wrote in flowery style about "Bini washing and polishing walls to make it look like a mirror".

By any measure of imagination this guy takes the trophy for bipolar disorder and acute case of hallucination. If it were today we would say he is on drugs.
according to the map always posted by prolong2 can u spot anywhere that’s modern day ekiti or ondo on it. I don’t mind if am wrong but for real I just don’t see it on the map. Do u see anything there BabaRamota1980
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Moneywomen17(m): 12:06am On Jun 12, 2018
BabaRamota1980:
Ekladheran, show the places on the map if you are truthful.

I can show you map of Bini as a tributary of Ife. Why cant you show Ondo as your tributary?
u see how the guy is busy deflecting and cussing instead of proving his point I mean what’s he afraid off lol
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Nobody: 12:08am On Jun 12, 2018
Oh, dumbness has no limits with yoruba.
I should come and give him a lesson on obvious things and also I should look for precolonial names of places for him ?
This is becoming more than comical.
The map is there if you can't read it then just shvt the hell up.
You are too dumb to read a map !
Got that !
Don't talk to me, you are not more skilled than a 12 year old !!!!
Jeez, I'm out.
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Moneywomen17(m): 12:11am On Jun 12, 2018
prolog2:
Oh, dumbness has no limits with yoruba.
I should come and give him a lesson on obvious things and also I should look for precolonial names of places for him ?
This is becoming more than comical.
The map is there if you can't read it then just shvt the hell up.
You are too dumb to read a map !
Got that !
Don't talk to me, you are not more skilled than a 12 years old !!!!
Jeez, I'm out.
another tantrum posted by our untruthful guy prolong2. All this time spent throwing this tantrums u could have answer the question in just one reply and end it there but no u didn’t why? U must know the precolonial name of the place cuz u are the one who always claim the map shows its part of Benin kingdom not us prove ur point old man and stop cussing instead
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Nobody: 12:11am On Jun 12, 2018
Oh, jeez.
I really believe these guys are toddlers.
Now they are bringing out recently made maps, because they don't understand that the kicker is the date the maps were created!
Jeez, toddlers trying to have debates with educated adults !
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Moneywomen17(m): 12:13am On Jun 12, 2018
prolog2:
Oh, jeez.
I really believe these guys are toddlers.
Now they are bringing out recently made maps, because they don't understand that the kicker is the date the maps were created!
Jeez, toddlers trying to have debates with educated adults !
ur old map that’s shows modern day ondo prove it mr educated man or keep cussing and ranting. If u have nothing to hide prove the point of ur map simple as that.
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by BabaRamota1980: 12:23am On Jun 12, 2018
Moneywomen17:
u see how the guy is busy deflecting and cussing instead of proving his point I mean what’s he afraid off lol
He is under his witchcraft spell at momemt.

He is trying to conjure up a new map with Ondo and Akure but the witchcraft has failed him. grin grin
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 12:25am On Jun 12, 2018
Moneywomen17:
what is “Nigeria” is the question
Okay.. Are Yorubas immigrants/settlers in the area they currently occupy?
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Moneywomen17(m): 12:25am On Jun 12, 2018
BabaRamota1980:
He is under his witchcraft spell at momemt.

He is trying to conjure up a new map with Ondo and Akure but the witchcraft has failed him. grin grin
lol just simple answer he can not give me to shut me up but he started cussing and calling me dumb instead of just proving his point. That’s how u know a fraudulent person
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by BabaRamota1980: 12:26am On Jun 12, 2018
prolog2:
Oh, jeez.
I really believe these guys are toddlers.
Now they are bringing out recently made maps, because they don't understand that the kicker is the date the maps were created!
Jeez, toddlers trying to have debates with educated adults !
Go to palace and borrow that otumokpo una dey bring out once every 800yrs. The one u wear on your body has been neutralized.

Bloody son of Owodo! grin
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Moneywomen17(m): 12:27am On Jun 12, 2018
davidnazee:
Okay.. Are Yorubas immigrants/settlers in the area they currently occupy?
I don’t know, a lot of different test done in Yoruba land goes back a lot of years but I do not know if Yoruba has been there since the day of Adam so it’s possible we likely came from somewhere
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 12:38am On Jun 12, 2018
Obalufon:
stay inside your forest please
Forest is better than rocks and stones.
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 12:45am On Jun 12, 2018
Moneywomen17:
I don’t know, a lot of different test done in Yoruba land goes back a lot of years but I do not know if Yoruba has been there since the day of Adam so it’s possible we likely came from somewhere
Okay ask your brother babaramota. He just wrote a long epistle depicting Yoruba as immigrants settlers.. I just want a verbal confirmation.
Are your people aliens in that land?
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Nobody: 12:48am On Jun 12, 2018
they came from brazil.
davidnazee:
Okay ask your brother babaramota. He just wrote a long epistle depicting Yoruba as immigrants settlers.. I just want a verbal confirmation.
Are your people aliens in that land?
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Moneywomen17(m): 12:51am On Jun 12, 2018
davidnazee:
Okay ask your brother babaramota. He just wrote a long epistle depicting Yoruba as immigrants settlers.. I just want a verbal confirmation.
Are your people aliens in that land?
are u immigrant in a land u met nobody? if u came from somewhere and settled in a virgin land u automatically become its indigenous owner. Where did babaramota say Yoruba are aliens in their land and who are the real owner.
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Moneywomen17(m): 12:52am On Jun 12, 2018
prolog2:
they came from brazil.
my fraudulent oga u can answer that question can’t u but to prove the things u say in ur map na to dey cuss u go dey cuss. Anyway I thought u said u are out of this thread now
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by BabaRamota1980: 12:55am On Jun 12, 2018
davidnazee:
Okay ask your brother babaramota. He just wrote a long epistle depicting Yoruba as immigrants settlers.. I just want a verbal confirmation.
Are your people aliens in that land?
Okay, get this....
Do you recall where I asked why Bini had a king in Lagos at the time it did if Binis were the original founders?

You were smart to dodge that question cause I would have battered you badly and without pity.


In human history aboriginals do not set up a king-priest rulership. Anywhere in human society you find a king there are two sets of occupiers on the land, the aborigines, usually they own the land, and the immigrants, they rule the land.

Aboriginals may set up a clan or elders council usually no higher than a chiefdom that manages order in the society but they are very seldom complex in structure as is with king-priest administrators.
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Moneywomen17(m): 12:55am On Jun 12, 2018
There is few people on this thread right now I will comment again once more when people are here. Till then am out
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 2:17am On Jun 12, 2018
BabaRamota1980:
Okay, get this....
Do you recall where I asked why Bini had a king in Lagos at the time it did if Binis were the original founders?

You were smart to dodge that question cause I would have battered you badly and without pity.


In human history aboriginals do not set up a king-priest rulership. Anywhere in human society you find a king there are two sets of occupiers on the land, the aborigines, usually they own the land, and the immigrants, they rule the land.

Aboriginals may set up a clan or elders council usually no higher than a chiefdom that manages order in the society but they are very seldom complex in structure as is with king-priest administrators.
That doesn’t answer my question.. are the Yorubas immigrants settlers in their present area?
Don’t worry I won’t use your answer to batter you (yet)..
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 2:18am On Jun 12, 2018
Moneywomen17:
There is few people on this thread right now I will comment again once more when people are here. Till then am out
Maybe they are tired of fighting..
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Olu317(m):
Moneywomen17:
u dey mind that liar if they can say omo n oba means the shining white what can’t they say. So ada now mean outside too
That's how some Oviedo act as usual to save face. I just wonder,what could be the reason, they kept revising historic account, just to make them feel important. Well, I am sure, guest (s) readers would definitely acknowledge easily, the liars from the kingdom of Igodomigodo(Udo),that tried bitterly to claim what's not theirs. Anyway, their cunningly opinions have been ridiculed, with evidence of etymology/lexicon that their Oba is from Yorubaland.
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Olu317(m): 7:08am On Jun 12, 2018
BabaRamota1980:
A true Empire, a civilized people know their history throughly and then know the history of their neighbours as well. Why is it Yoruba is teaching Edo its history and that of its neighbors? Because they are uncivilized. Can you believe they had no clue that their palace face mask is in posession of Attah. They were at first arguing until we proved it.

Nupe and Yoruba, Baruba and Yoruba, Kanuri and Yoruba.....even Daura, yes...the Hausa Origin in Daura....hold on let me say this clearly.


There are two sets of people in Nigeria, the Aborigines and the Immigrants.


Ife aborigines (Ugbo), Nupe aborigines, Igala aborigines, Edo aborigenes (Efa), Ijaw aborigines, Ibo aborigines (ngwa), all these people have one root and that is the Niger-Benue basin.....these were descendants of NOK.


The traces of commonality in spoken language of Southern people have its roots in the Niger-Benue clan.


Then there is a band of Nilotic/Semitic settlers that arrived in waves. These ones brought with them king-priest covenants.

They entered here through the Chad water basin and settled there. A band of them remained in Chad. The rest moved down to the Niger-Benue water basin and remained there.

There were two distribution paths.

1. The Chad band spread westward into another water basin in Daura. From here they formed the Habe dynasty. The group that remained in Chad formed the Kanemi dynasty.

2. The Niger-Benue settlers went westward as well. They stopped on the Niger River. From here they broke into three directions.

a. Nupe
b. Baruba
c. Ile Ife

Each had its dynasty.

The Ile Ife party formed Oduduwa dynasty. They are known as Yoruba.

The Ife dynasty further spread out into the East, including Bini. Bini also gave spring to more dynasties.


So all the aborigines now have foreign settlers ruling over them.
How about Ngwa?

A band of Nilotic people had also migrated further away from Chad and down into the Congo basin. This group are nomadic. Some of them settled in Cameroun and others found their way into Nigeria and into the Ngwa land. Strangely, they had no dynasty and did not establish rulership. This due to the fact the settlers were hunters, not Kings or Priests. This set is the Igbo clan. Their King and Priests were left behind in Congo.

Similar movement occurred with Awori, a priest lineage that went and found new settlements on the coast but did not set up dynasty but Bini came afterward and extended its dynasty to rule over them. Bini dynasty also ruled a part of Iboland.
Yeah,you are correct about migration pattern.
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