They are arguably the most dim-witted people I have interacted with - bar the Tanzanians (who at least hide their ignorance in Swahili & poor English). They are obtuse & proud of it.

Jonraid:
It's hard arguing with people who would dare take a dangerous boat ride to Europe all in the spirit of adventure!

rvp20182:
You have 1M Nigerian indians & Lebanase - why not show-case what they are doing - I guess like everyone - they are running kiosk & selling chinese manufactured goods.

We are proud of Kenyan Indians...and we recognised them as INDIGENOUS. They are doing great in manufacturing...kicking white owned global conglomerate in their butt..and black Africans are learning from them...and spinning their own industries.

Hindu officially is 44th tribe of Kenya.

https://www.nation.co.ke/news/Hindu-officially-becomes-Kenya-s-44th-tribe/1056-4027242-12m5ygj/index.html

wow tell me something, l hope this 44th tribe can also be found in large numbers in Kibera?

Daejoyoung:

Dangote is a black Nigerian man from Kano state. Hindu Kenyans are originally from lndia and they do not have the population of the original black Kenyans in Kenya, yet they own Kenya. lt's as ridiculous as having South Africans telling you whites in their land should always be on top of their business chain because the whites are also South Africans.
This is so simple to understand , l don't know why you don't get it.

How do Indians own Kenya? Because they have big manufacturing businesses?

I think it has been stated here roughly one million times that Indians found themselves in manufacturing due to circumstances. The first govt after Independence knew Indians had a headstart in business, having been treated more fairer than indigenous Kenyans. So they didnt want Indians competing with locals in every business. So they banned them. Indians couldnt even own a hotel! Only a few sectors of the conomy were left open for them and the smart ones ventured into manufacturing. In any case, the govt knew Indigenous Africans didnt have the skills and resources to venture into the capital intensive sector and there is no better way than to allow a section of your population to venture there than to allow foreigners to venture there. So Indians were always a safer bet in that sector. Why? They are patriotic Kenyans, they produce goods and pay taxes here, none of it goes abroad. As opposed to your foreign oil companies that mine your oil and the money they make they repatriate abroad leaving Nigerians staring at empty shells. So indians dominate manufacturing, and we appreciate that. But dont think indigenous Africans dont do manufacturing, its just that the Indians got a headstart and lead in that sector. There are countless manufacturers who are indigenous and they are doing better than 99 % of other African indigenes, and no disrespect to Africans.

when I hear Nigerians say white ppl control and has been brain washed ppl of kenya, Ghana SAS and other countries without Nigeria other countries in Africa are useless. I laugh till my tummy hurts. The iphones, Internet , cars, oil dwelling machines, computer, dangote oil refinery was built by the white folks. Stop using them if ur economy you been bragging about every day can survive a second. illiterate mediocrity hypocritical stupidity ppl. As we talk now with country is most useless in Africa. thank God I'm not a Nigerian and. Africa knows you Nigerians talk big but empty like their empty brains. lol how can so called educated ppl elect an illiterate to be a leader how lol

Kibra - is originally sudanase Nubians - and we also made them indigenous. If Indian-Kenya work hard as they are doing and invest smartly - it very likely they'll never live there.

Nigerians are going to dominate our slums. Already 10-15 nigerians are cramming themselves in very cheap houses in Nairobi - Umoja & Roysambu - rent there is about 100-200 dollars a month - and yet 15 nigerians cramped themselves in - I guess sleeping in turns. Soon it will dawn on Nigerians that it's cheaper for everyone to rent 5-10 dollars in Kibera - and still enjoy 24hrs electricity

Daejoyoung:

wow tell me something, l hope this 44th tribe can also be found in large numbers in Kibera?

rvp20182:
Yeap - now that Ghana have signed - we need to move to Ghana - and prepare all the bleaching products they'll ever need.Although I won't be excited about Nigeria - many companies who've gone there have been disappointed - but kenyan companies know how to sell to the bottom pyramid - Kadogo economy - they'll need very small doses sent to their shops - so they can afford.

I know for sure that we cant go wrong with bleaching products in Nigeria.

Fair n Lovely. Sadly Kinuthia sold it to Lo'real -

TayserMahiri:

I know for sure that we cant go wrong with bleaching products in Nigeria.

TayserMahiri:


They are waiting for Oyinbo to save them.



And then come to NL to sing how they hate Oyinbo.

Bunch of fvcktards.

Nigerian logic!

TayserMahiri:


How do Indians own Kenya? Because they have big manufacturing businesses?

I think it has been stated here roughly one million times that Indians found themselves in manufacturing due to circumstances. The first govt after Independence knew Indians had a headstart in business, having been treated more fairer than indigenous Kenyans. So they didnt want Indians competing with locals in every businesses. So they banned them. Indians couldnt even own a hotel! Only a few sectors of the conomy were left open for them and the smart ones ventured into manufacturing. In any case, the govt knew Indigenous Africans didnt have the skills and resources to venture into the capital intensive sector and there is no better way than to allow a section of your population to venture there than to allow foreigners to venture there. So Indians were always a safer bet in that sector. Why? They are patriotic Kenyans, they produce goods and pay taxes here, none of it goes abroad. As opposed to your foreign oil companies that mine your oil and the money they make they repatriate abroad leaving Nigerians staring at empty shells. So indians dominate manufacturing, and we appreciate that. But dont think indigenous Africans dont do manufacturing, its just that the Indians got a headstart and lead in that sector. There are countless manufacturers who are indigenous and they are doing probably better than 99 % of other African indigenes, and no disrespect to Africans.

This is why we are telling you it's not reasonable comparing Kenya ( with this kind of history you just narrated now) to Nigeria. indigenous Africans didn't have the skill in manufacturing because they were largely illiterates compared to the lndians and others , but now at least education is almost widespread, the Kenyans should be competitive enough to begin to dominate manufacturing and not leave everything to the lndians. At least you are smart enough to identify the problem, the rvp2018 of a guy would rather mask his shame by claiming the lndians are a so called 44th tribe.

rvp20182:
Some me Nigerian brands that are rivalling Uniliver Nigeria - which of you companies say rivals Uniliver Omo's in detergent. Let start there. Then can a Ghanian name any 10 or so brands from Nigeria? How many are those Nigerian brands in super-market in Nigeria and regionally in ECOWAS - I am told NADA - Shoprite has to import tiger products from South Africa

Zenith bank
Dangote
Globacom(Nigerian Telecom)
Access Banks
GT bank
First Bank
GlaxoSmithKline
Intercontinental Bank
Equity Assurance
Charterhouse

Nigerians are like South Africa in Ghana. We're big investors in Ghana... even their film and music industry is propped by Nigeria

Nigerians no doubt play a big part in the Ghanaian economy; in fact Nigerians are rated third biggest investors on the Ghanaian economy. We must commend them for the work they are doing for Ghana but for Ghanaians this should inspire us, we still have a long way to go in empowering our citizens to greater heights so that we can also become competent just as them.

https://ameyawdebrah.com/revealed-meet-nigerian-tycoons-running-ghanas-economy/

Daejoyoung:

This is why we are telling you that it's not reasonable comparing Kenya with this kind of history to Nigeria. indigenous Africans didn't have the skill in manufacturing because they were largely illiterates compared to the lndians and others , but now at least education is almost widespread, the Kenyans should be competitive enough to begin to dominate manufacturing and not leave everything to the lndians. At least you are smart enough to identify the problem, the rvp2018 of a guy would rather mask his shame by claiming the lndians are a so called 44th tribe.

We arent talking of baby-steps manufacturing. We are talking of manufacturing on a large scale, the sort of which makes a country be said to have serious industries. At independence even Nigerians couldnt manufacture anything of note. You dont have to pretend you were so awesome when we know any industry you had back then was acquired from abroad.

rvp20182:
Interesting question - I would say when their data is taken at it highest & using real usd- exchange rate - their GDP drops to around 320B. https://nairametrics.com/naira-dollar-parallel-market-exchange-rate-daily/

320B - is still larger than South Africa & Egypt (with 100M arabs) - which clearly tells you that GDP is still over-estimated.

Now,Nigeria is basically an oil economy - the rest of economy basically collapsed in 1970s thanks to oil & mega corruption & really bad governance -So the nearest model you can find in Africa is better managed Algeria - Angola is a newbie!

If you go by Algeria - that around 160B dollars of GDP ( they sell about the same oil as nigeria +- 1.5-2M barrells) daily - Algeria export goods worth 80B dollars - and import around 50B dollars. Nigeria is doing something close to 50B - for exports - and 30B for imports - so on that account alone it's fairing worse than Algeria.

Algeria has around 40M people. Nigeria has 190B (real population is probably 150M). We also know using kenya & Ethiopia that population or land size doesn't matter - what matters is production.

Nigeria claims their agriculture (yams,cassava, millet, sorghum) is as good as Brazil (25% of 400B GDP is huge)- which is ridiculous - we know it's not even at South Africa level. The Nigerian agricultural ministry cannot count anything - so obviously all the so called agriculture GDP is fake - Nigeria are world leading importers of food (wheat +rice).

Typically the size of gov would give you clue of the size of GDP - because Gov is normally the biggest source of money for private sector, individual and main employer - looking at miniscule federal+state budget - there is nothing to write home about.

That leave us grappling for some decent consumption data - we know Nigeria has very little manufacturing (if they were big in Nigeria - you could have heard of them - like you do hear about their banks) - so majority of Nigeria consumed goods are imported - and yet that import bill is now less than 30B dollars! - I think around 25B dollars compared to Kenya 18-20B dollars!

If you check the tonnage - of goods arriving in their ports [ which is where most of consumer goods would arrive] - it around 1.6M TEUS - against Kenya's 1.1M TEUS - economy size of South Africa or Egypt - you're talking 4M plus TEUS if I am not wrong. Therefore this country that has very little manufacturing going on - it has no agricultural value chain like kenya that would support food processing - it yams & cassave direct to the mouth -- and manufacturing going on you can get figures from their breweries, coca-cola & such few multinationals - who have all been disappointed when they ventured in Nigeria to discover there wasn't any middle class to sell to.

Nigeria inflate their GDP contribution from stuff like ICT - mobile telephony/nollywood - when you can just manually add the revenues from MTN Nigeria & few others - and arrive at figures - about 3-4B dollars. They apply the same vodoo they use in agriculture to declare these sectors such money spinners .Their cement consumption & production the last few yrs was impressive - post Dangote (new phenomenon) arrival in 2000s - but now its down to 18M metric tonnes per annum - just about 3 times kenya. The rest of sectors are about kenya size or slightly higher - including their banking & intermediation etc etc.

Anyway give and take - I would say the very highest their GDP is around 150B (Algeria) - or at best 3 times Kenya GDP (250B) - which is unlikely! The given is around 50B dollars from oil production. The rest is speculation!

Anyway I am going to give a ballpark estimate of 200B dollars.

Kazi baado haujakamilisha kabisa,mzee! Let's end this once and for all-give us their GDP both nominal and PPP and ours. As usual you've killed this thread with logic using purely facts and forensic deduction.

Lagos, Anambra & Aba manufacturing (not chinese goods re-badging) worth 40B dollars - they would be amongst the world centers of industrialization.

Brilliant! Ati, these hectares here iin Anambra,Igboland export billions of dollars of high tech yearly! You know I've realised Dangotelanders live in a parallel universe;they believe things even kids would laugh at:you're right when you said they need national therapy.

wizmikeee:
when I hear Nigerians say white ppl control and has been brain washed ppl of kenya, Ghana SAS and other countries without Nigeria other countries in Africa are useless. I laugh till my tummy hurts. The iphones, Internet , cars, oil dwelling machines, computer, dangote oil refinery was built by the white folks. Stop using them if ur economy you been bragging about every day can survive a second. illiterate mediocrity hypocritical stupidity ppl. As we talk now with country is most useless in Africa. thank God I'm not a Nigerian and. Africa knows you Nigerians talk big but empty like their empty brains. lol how can so called educated ppl elect an illiterate to be a leader how lol

My man, it's always dangerous to think with your anus, every Tom, dick and Harry knows the whites built everything, what we are saying is that they shouldn't also be the leading business men and/or capitalists in your country.

rvp20182:
:LOL: once again - you bring the predictable list of Nigerian "MANUFACTURERS". You guys cannot manufacture even a button. Those guys are just re-badging finished Chinese goods. You cannot manufacture military cars or computers. PLEASE - next you'll manufacture a nuclear sub-marine

If you were to trade with any country - no country would accept NIGERIAN CERTIFICATE OF ORIGIN - what local content is in there - apart from the paint work & the badge

Maybe the cable thing - We got many of those - East Africa Cables -- that have factories all the way down to South Africa - owned by black kenyans.

Once again Kindly manufacture a button, make it your own brand and dominate west Africa - and then come & compare yourself with kenya - if you come and pull that nonsense in functional country like kenya - eti you can manufacture a armoured car when you don't even have a steel industry to manufacture iron sheets - you'll get slapped very punitive taxes,'

I know it an ECOWAS thing - some idiot in Ghana who is also a pastor - alleges to manufacture cars (Kantrara or something) - and therefore you've made huge mess of what manufacturing really out to be - therefore Nigeria CANNOT DEVELOP. If you were to trade with other countries...we will come there and determine the "local content" of the chinese finished goods that you re-badge and re-package & charge you taxes accordingly. More tragically nobody will ever trust a "MADE IN NIGERIA" - Certificate of Origin - so your industries will never develop!!.

West Africa Jungle - Re-badging & re-packing chinese finished goods - KANTANKA

very soon you'll see innoson cars in Kenya... Even Proforce miltary vehicles was used by UN.. THey also export to other african countries.. once Al-shabab rears up in Kenya again, you'll start seeing Proforce vehicles in Kenya...

TayserMahiri:


We arent talking of baby-steps manufacturing. We are talking of manufacturing on a large scale, the sort of which makes a country be said to have serious industries. At independence even Nigerians couldnt manufacture anything of note. You dont have to pretend you were so awesome when we know any industry you had back then was acquired from abroad.

l never claimed we were awesome at independence, infact we were about 90-95% illiterates at independence. Even if at that time the whites begin to dominate our businesses, Nigerians would not just sit idle for so long and allow only foreigners eat the good of the land claiming them as the 44th tribe or such nonsense gibberish, rather Nigerians would struggle to be at the top too by hook or crook, that's the difference.
For example MTN still dominates, but at least we are happy there is indigenous globacom too, at a time Lafrage dominated cement industry in Nigeria, now it's Dangote. We are looking for an alternative to Dstv as well. The top twenty richest men in Nigeria are black Nigerians despite the fact that lndians here are also doing well, etc.

rvp20182:
Now you've ran out of time .You can name one!!

Clearly there is none. I know what you mean by "business men". You mean informal traders operating kiosks and perhaps "manufacturers" re-packing chinese finished goods & selling them in their small pop & mom shops . That is what I know happens in Nigeria. You're not capable of building companies like BIDCO, HACO, INTERCONSUMER, BROOKSIDE - that can rival UNILIVER, PROCTER, NESTLE, JOHNSONS & PZ CUSHONS in the Fast Moving Consumer Goods - in EAST, SOUTHERN & CENTRAL AFRICA --soon West AFRICA.

Of course we know all those concepts are too complex for people who receive one of worst education in the world.

I guess Dangote is just a hoax, Let's hope that he opens a factory in Kenya as he plans... Kenya was even willing to build a power plant just so Dangote could build a factory in Kenya
That's how bad Kenya wanted Dangote

Mr Henry Rotich,Kenya's finance minister just outside the treasury building office in Nairobi .By 14th June,he'll be reading to parliament and the nation Kenya's 2018/2019 budget which will be financed at a tune of 31 billion US dollars.It's my hope that the 46 million Kenyans will feel the impact of this budget!

Daejoyoung:

l never claimed we were awesome at independence, infact we were about 90-95% illiterates at independence. Even if at that time the whites begin to dominate our businesses, Nigerians would not just sit idle for so long and allow only foreigners eat the good of the land claiming them as the 44th tribe or such nonsense gibberish rather Nigerians would struggle to be at the top too, that's the difference.

You are just lucky people from more sophisticated parts of the world such as whites and Asians had little interest in your hot pan weather. Its not about sitting back and waiting for foreigners to dominate. Its about them having the means (financial, skills and otherwise) to outdo your baby steps. It seems like simple logic but your types pretend not to understand. Kenyans have actually outdone themselves as regards this matter, from the lows of having to ban indians from ventures just a few decades ago.

Trust me, if whites and Asians had fully settled in Nigeria the way they settled in Kenya you would be singing a different tune. If you knew Kikuyu you'd know they are not the type of people to sit back and wait for foreigners to dominate. Some things are just out of reach momentarily until you catch up with the ones with a headstart.

TayserMahiri:


You are just lucky people from more sophisticated parts of the world such as whites and Asians had little interest in your hot pan weather. Its not about sitting back and waiting for foreigners to dominate. Its about them having the means (financial, skills and otherwise) to outdo your baby steps. It seems like simple logic but your types pretend not to understand. Kenyans have actually outdone themselves as regards this matter, from the lows of having to ban indians from ventures just a few decades ago.

Trust me, if whites and Asians had fully settled in Nigeria the way they settled in Kenya you would be singing a different tune. If you knew Kikuyu you'd know they are not the type of people to sit back and wait for foreigners to dominate. Some things are just out of reach momentarily until you catch up with the ones with a headstart.

You don't have to ban them, smart Kenyans should compete with them and beat some of them to the game. FYI we have always had lndians and Lebanese and they are doing quiet well in Nigeria, many are even employers of labour.

Daejoyoung:

My man, it's always dangerous to think with your anus, every Tom, dick and Harry knows the whites built everything, what we are saying is that they shouldn't also be the leading business men and/or capitalists in your country.

Nigerian logic.

Daejoyoung:

You don't have to ban them, smart Kenyans should compete with them and beat some of them to the game. FYI we have always had lndians and Lebanese and they are doing quiet well in Nigeria, some are even employers of labour.

You are quite foolish. They had a massive headstart. I feel like I should teach you some commerce. Early entrants into any business always earn the highest benefits in terms of market share if only they manage to support their early mover advantage. Its that simple. Indians (and whites) were doing big business for years all the while Africans were in concentration camps. Dont forget we didnt have oil or gold, the sort of things that can create overnight billionaires to venture into highly capital intensive sectors like manufacturing.

I dont know if banning them was good or bad, you can consult your oil economists. The govt of the time felt it had a duty to protect locals until they gained a sound footing, something that has already happened.

rvp20182:
Some me Nigerian brands that are rivalling Uniliver Nigeria - which of you companies say rivals Uniliver Omo's in detergent. Let start there. Then can a Ghanian name any 10 or so brands from Nigeria? How many are those Nigerian brands in super-market in Nigeria and regionally in ECOWAS - I am told NADA - Shoprite has to import tiger products from South Africa

Nigeria's formal retail is not as advanced... you already know this...

But when it comes to banking and manufacturing(cement), you're sure to see many of them in many African countries(including Ecowas)..

Does Kenya even have phone assembly plants?

TayserMahiri:


You are quite foolish. They had a massive headstart. I feel like I should teach you some commerce. Early entrants into any business always earn the highest benefits in terms of market share if only they manage to support their early mover advantage. Its that simple. Indians (and whites) were doing big business for years all the while Africans were in concentration camps. Dont forget we didnt have oil or gold, the sort of things that can create overnight billionaires to venture into highly capital intensive sectors like manufacturing.

I dont know if banning them was good or bad, you can consult your oil economists. The govt of the time felt it had a duty to protect locals until they gained a sound footing, something that has already happened.

That's why l have the example of larfrage in Nigeria, they once dominated too, they had the head start but today it's lbeto to the East and Dangote to a large part of the country. Larfrage is still there but the Nigerians are playing the game in a big way too.This is not about oil money, it's about having people who believe themselves and who want to make it big.

Daejoyoung:

That's why l have the example of larfrage in Nigeria, they once dominated too, they had the head start but today it's lbeto to the East and Dangote to a large part of the country. Larfrage is still there but the Nigerians are playing the game in a big way too.This is not about oil money, it's about having people who believe themselves and who want to make it big.

Dangote as always

We know how he became the owner of Nigeria thanks to endlessly corrupt govts and wheeler dealership.

Boss, what more apart from simple division do you need.200b divided by 150m should give you LDC per capita like TZ or Ethiopia.If you pick any index or indicator that is not denominated by Nigeria cooked GDP..Nigeria sits comfortably in bottom 20 with other LDC.The law of average therefore corroborate our estimation of nigeria GDP and it per capita makes her a Least Developed Country.

kikuyu1:


Kazi baado haujakamilisha kabisa,mzee! Let's end this once and for all-give us their GDP both nominal and PPP and ours. As usual you've killed this thread with logic using purely facts and forensic deduction.
Lagos, Anambra & Aba manufacturing (not chinese goods re-badging) worth 40B dollars - they would be amongst the world centers of industrialization.
Brilliant! Ati, these hectares here iin Anambra,Igboland export billions of dollars of high tech yearly! You know I've realised Dangotelanders live in a parallel universe;they believe things even kids would laugh at:you're right when you said they need national therapy.

TayserMahiri:


Dangote as always

We know how he became the owner of Nigeria thanks to endlessly corrupt govts and wheeler dealership.

MTN had the headstart but globacom is competing fiercely, many Nigerians hate the services of globacom, but Adenuga is always doing his best to keep up with mtn by sometimes bringing in new ideas never imagined at mtn. Sometimes even MTN had to follow suit. That's what I'm talking about.

rvp2018

Just read Samsung cancelled plans to put up an assembly plant in Kenya...

Ghana made soo much effort to attract Nigerian companies including manufaturing to Ghana...
And it partially worked too.. lol

Daejoyoung:

MTN had the headstart but globacom is competing fiercely, many Nigerians hate the services of globacom, but Adenuga is always doing his best to keep up with mtn by sometimes bringing in new ideas never imagined at mtn. Sometimes even MTN had to follow suite. That's what I'm talking about.

MTN and Globacom are not manufacturers!

You actually think you can teach us anything about innovativeness in such sectors?

Our own indigenous banks and phone service providers among other sectors are innovative as hell.

Daejoyoung:

My man, it's always dangerous to think with your anus, every Tom, dick and Harry knows the whites built everything, what we are saying is that they shouldn't also be the leading business men and/or capitalists in your country.

lol my anus I bet you even have head on ur shoulders. lemme tell you something it seems you don't read. If you Nigerians get sense shall won't mess up ur oil industry and the lands remember that's a whites man company too lol

Daejoyoung:

MTN had the headstart but globacom is competing fiercely, many Nigerians hate the services of globacom, but Adenuga is always doing his best to keep up with mtn by sometimes bringing in new ideas never imagined at mtn. Sometimes even MTN had to follow suite. That's what I'm talking about.

Wait o.. Is Safaricom fully Kenyan
like Globacom is fully Nigerian

You have no manufacturing worth talking about.Yes Ethiopia are an emerging industrial giant so kenya has its job cut out

nwoke39:
rvp2018

Just read Samsung cancelled plans to put up an assembly plant in Kenya...

Ghana made soo much effort to attract Nigerian companies including manufaturing to Ghana...
And it partially worked too.. lol