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ashjay001:
Point out, any lie, up there?

It is a half truth.

The president has the power to appoint "any other person"

The NSC has met several times since he has been in office e.g

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/241099-buhari-presides-over-security-council-meeting-with-military-chiefs-police-ig-others.html

https://leadership.ng/2017/08/22/photos-national-security-council-meeting/

aribisala0:
It is a half truth.

The president has the power to appoint "any other person"

The NSC has met several times since he has been in office e.g

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/241099-buhari-presides-over-security-council-meeting-with-military-chiefs-police-ig-others.html

https://leadership.ng/2017/08/22/photos-national-security-council-meeting/

Which is d half truth, in my post?

ashjay001:
Which is d half truth, in my post?

Half truth means incomplete information.


The National Security Council includes all the service chiefs and IG and is not very different from what the OP posted.


You are the one that should show how the OP's list is wrong

aribisala0:
Half truth means incomplete information.


The National Security Council includes all the service chiefs and IG and is not very different from what the OP posted.


You are the one that should show how the OP's list is wrong

Hmm...


So, d chief of defence staff, is not a service chief His name was omitted!

D chief of Naval staff, is not a service chief His name too, was omitted.

D VP's name too, was omitted!

Do u know their names? Their tribe? That op's list, was biased. Even with those names, d list would still have been all shades of wrong! Why did op, then omit them

ashjay001:
Hmm...


So, d chief of defence staff, is not a service chief His name was omitted!

D chief of Naval staff, is not a service chief His name too, was omitted.

D VP's name too, was omitted!

Do u know their names? Their tribe? That op's list, was biased. Even with those names, d list would still have been all shades of wrong! Why did op, then omit them

You are correct the OP is biassed and I am not his advocate but your list was incomplete andthat is why I called it half truth.

The reality is the security council is not balanced. Nigeria is a complex country.


The composition is lopsided do you disagree?

Buhari has always been a tribal bigot. This kind of tribal bigotry in security appointment can never happen in sane countries anywhere in the world. And we wonder why herdsmen are killing Christians with impunity in middle belt.

Let's call it Nothern security conference.. transmission fools

aribisala0:
You are correct the OP is biassed and I am not his advocate but your list was incomplete andthat is why I called it half truth.

The reality is the security council is not balanced. Nigeria is a complex country.


The composition is lopsided do you disagree?

Most pple lose, from winning positions, because of negligible mis-representation.

If op, hadn't made those omissions, he's theory would still be viable.

The composition is wrong, no excuses!

aribisala0:
It does not look much different.
At any rate those in the council who have executive power i.e the authority and control over troops or armed personnel are ALL MORTHERN and almost all if not all Fulani.
If we want to be kind to Buhari we would say he has been thoughtless and insensitive.


In reality I do not think Buhari alone is making these decisions those who are involved appear to be contemptuous of the rest of us.


There are some things we cannot ignore.


The comment that "what do you expect them to do when you block their route"
The comment from Buratai and Mansour that the antii-grazing law should be scrapped
The comment that Governor Ortom is a rowning man from the police.

Nigeria is to,o complex to do stuff like this

But why not simply saying it as it is rather than using inaccuracies to make the issue graphic?

You and i know it's not true that ALL troop commander's are from the North but you keep toeing the line of the mischievous OP. Rather than call out the poor attempt to propagate lies, you do injustice to your observations by writing half truths.

Ovamboland:
But why not simply saying it as it is rather than using inaccuracies to make the issue graphic?

You and i know it's not true that ALL troop commander's are from the North but you keep toeing the line of the mischievous OP. Rather than call out the poor attempt to propagate lies, you do injustice to your observations by writing half truths.

i sincerely do not have time for pointless back and forths. I am not trying to win anything. I am not the OP's lawyer.

If you think the Seurity Council is fair and representative of all Nigerians fine, I do not.

aribisala0:
i sincerely do not have time for pointless back and forths. I am not trying to win anything. I am not the OP's lawyer.

If you think the Seurity Council is fair and representative of all Nigerians fine, I do not.

The Constitution prescribes who and who should be in the security council, which representation rule has been violated?

Modified:
But it's obvious you're shying away from stating your opinion of lack of representation is based on the OP false list or the true position in the Constitution

Ovamboland:
The Constitution prescribes who and who should be in the security council, which representation rule has been violated?

The federal character principle

This is the real reason why the government can’t deal with herdsmen

The national security council does not see much wrong in herdsmen destroying other citizens life and property

It is the problem of only one point of view in the National security council

NIGERIAN CONSTITUTION SECTION14(3)


the government of the Federation or any of its agencies and the conduct of its affairs shall be carried out in such a manner as to reflect the federal character of Nigeria and the need to promote national unity and also to command national loyalty, thereby ensuring that there shall be no predominance of persons from a few states or from a few ethnic or other sectional groups in that government or in any of its agencies

From the North

President Katsina
Minister of Defence Zamfara
Chief of Army Staff Borno
Chief of AirStaff Bauchi
Minister of Interior Kano
Director DSS Katsina
National Security Adviser Borno
IG of police Niger


From the South

Vice President
Chief of Defence Staff
Chief ofNaval Staff
Foreign Minister



Every single person from the Nort is from the NW or NE some states have two persons while the entire NE and SE are ignored. ALL NORTHERNERS are Muslim

aribisala0:
From the North

President Katsina
Minister of Defence Zamfara
Chief of Army Staff Borno
Chief of AirStaff Bauchi
Minister of Interior Kano
Director DSS Katsina
National Security Adviser Borno
IG of police Niger


From the South

Vice President
Chief of Defence Staff
Chief ofNaval Staff
Foreign Minister



Every single person from the Nort is from the NW or NE some states have two persons while the entire NE and SE are ignored. ALL NORTHERNERS are Muslim

You still try to sustain the faux pax of the OP, cheif of air staff, naval and army staff, head of DSS are not normally part of the security council.

I will take it that you're misinformed, but cleaning up your list shows there are 5 northers and 3 Southerners on the council. This is a far cry from the shock and awe the OP is trying to promote with his false list.

The issue is when reality dawns the average Nigerian sticks to his bias and lacks the candour to shift position with new knowledge

Ovamboland:
You still try to sustain the faux pax of the OP, cheif of air staff, naval and army staff, head of DSS are not normally part of the security council.

I will take it that you're misinformed, but cleaning up your list shows there are 5 northers and 3 Southerners on the council. This is a far cry from the shock and awe the OP is trying to promote with his false list.

The issue is when reality dawns the average Nigerian sticks to his bias and lacks the candour to shift position with new knowledge

Guy do not take debates personal. You come across as rude and churlish.

I am not the OP so please do not rope us together.


The National security council contains by constitutional provison

A specific list of 8 individuals

presently 5 North :3 South as you pointed out and


Any other person chosen by the president.

Now we have seen Newspaper reports and photographs and( I HAVE ALREADY POSTED LINKS ON THIS THREAD)

of briefings after NCS meetings under Buhari. and these have contained all those people I listed. Check!!

In fact initially the Vice President did not attend this meetings and the goernment was forced to come out to issue a denial that he was being schemed out and marginalized and subsequently we saw photographs of him in attendance.

aribisala0:
Half truth means incomplete information.


The National Security Council includes all the service chiefs and IG and is not very different from what the OP posted.


You are the one that should show how the OP's list is wrong

This is your response in agreement and support of the OP position which has been shown to be largely false.

There's nothing rude or churlish in correcting wrong impression by presenting true and verifiable information.

It won't reduce your stature one bit if you display enough candour and accept your premises for concluding on the lopsidedness of the appointments might be inaccurate afterall.

I enjoy reading your opinion over the years on nairaland even though I post only sparingly. I never believed you'd be in the category of members here who would continue to stick to their guns when shown to be posting inaccuracies.

Ovamboland:
This is your response in agreement and support of the OP position which has been shown to be largely false.

There's nothing rude or churlish in correcting wrong impression by presenting true and verifiable information.

It won't reduce your stature one bit if you display enough candour and accept your premises for concluding on the lopsidedness of the appointments might be inaccurate afterall.

I enjoy reading your opinion over the years on nairaland even though I post only sparingly. I never believed you'd be in the category of members here who would continue to stick to their guns when shown to be posting inaccuracies.

I stand by my response. The NSC includes those people(service chiefs) because Buhari has put them there .

If you want to disagree do so directly . I am not the OPs brother.


What is the wrong information I put out? Please clarify? Are the service chiefs , Director of DSS not part of the current NSC

My position is thaat they are


So what are you correcting


Anyhow I think we are getting over fixated with this NCS because it does not have any authorit over and beyond the president and so the whole point of it being diverse is to givee voice to different interests

You talk but do not listen.

I posted links for council meeting briefings take a look at them

On March 1 2017 Osinbajo as Acting president presided over the NCS

Go and look at the roll call

Amba555:
When the National Security Council meets, the following will be in attendance:

1. Muhammadu Buhari (President)

2. Mansur Mohammed Dan Alli (Minister of Defence)

3. Abdulrahman Dambazzau (Minister of Internal Affairs)

4. Lawal Daura (DG-SSS)

5. Ibrahim Magu (Chairman, EFCC)

6. Tukur Buratai (Chief of Army Staff)

7. Sadique Abubakar (Chief of Air Staff)

8. Mohammed Saliu Usman-AVM (Chief of Defence Intelligence)

9. Ibrahim Idris (Inspector-General of Police)

10. Abubakar Malami (Attorney-General)

11. Baba Gana Monguno (National Security Adviser)

12. Ahmed Rufai Ababukar DG NIA)

In what language will they communicate, please?

Do they discuss Nigerian security or Northern Security?

An expanded meeting will have:

13. Abdullahi Gana Muhammadu (Civil Defence)

14. Hamid Ali (Controller-General of Customs)

15. Mohammed Babandede (Comptroller-General of Immigration)

16. Ja'afaru Ahmed (Comptroller-General of Prisons)

Notice anything? They are all from the North, mostly Fulanis.

go and register for voters card this is a wake up

Please share this message to others.

More like a northern frat house.

aribisala0:
I stand by my response. The NSC includes those people(service chiefs) because Buhari has put them there .

If you want to disagree do so directly . I am not the OPs brother.


What is the wrong information I put out? Please clarify? Are the service chiefs , Director of DSS not part of the current NSC

My position is thaat they are


So what are you correcting


Anyhow I think we are getting over fixated with this NCS because it does not have any authorit over and beyond the president and so the whole point of it being diverse is to givee voice to different interests

You talk but do not listen.

I posted links for council meeting briefings take a look at them

On March 1 2017 Osinbajo as Acting president presided over the NCS

Go and look at the roll call

If the president has the perogative to invite whomsoever he chooses apart from the members listed in the Constitution what then is the hullabaloo about the Council becoming Fulani preserve or lacking federal character? It has been shown that this is even not the case.

If for any reason the president wants the Dss head to attend or any of the services chiefs or you aribisala to attend, it remains his perogative and privilege. That right must be respected.

Ovamboland:
If the president has the perogative to invite whomsoever he chooses apart from the members listed in the Constitution what then is the hullabaloo about the Council becoming Fulani preserve or lacking federal character? It has been shown that this is even not the case.

If for any reason the president wants the Dss head to attend or any of the services chiefs or you aribisala to attend, it remains his perogative and privilege. That right must be respected.

With respect you are talking nonense.
Like I said to you several posts ago I am not interested in meaningless or fruitless back and forth.
You said you were correcting me I asked you where I wass wrong and instead you have chaanged the subject to rights.

How am I disrespecting the president's rights?

First of all let us agree who is in the NCS before anything else so rather than evading it let one of us accept correction.

Either I was wrong and the the IG police DSS director etc are or are not in the NCS or you were. Which is it?

Once we agree on who is in the list then we are making progress.

I too and the OP who you keep tying me to have rights to opinions.


I have given a list of those who are in the NCS and clearly the vast majority are from the North. All those from the North are Muslim and some states have 2 individuals while the entire SE has 1 person the SW has 2 persons and there is no one from


Taraba ,Benue, Kogi,Kwara, Plateaau or Nassarawa.

My opinion then is based on the question of whether the president in exercising his power( it is not a right but power) isn contravening section 13(4) of the constitution whic I have already posted above.

I believe he is though intelligent people may equally disagree.


The operative points in that provision is the need to foster unity and loyalty from constituent parts

Here is the nub the ONLY peron from the south who is in command of any troops is the chief of Naval Staff. We all know how relevant the Navy is in Nigeria.
The DSS,The Army,The Police, The Airforce, The Customs, The NDLEA ,the Immigration are all under northerners and all under Muslims.

In a country like Nigeria that cannot be right. So when we find ourselves in a situation where the chief of Army staff , the IG of police and even the Minister of Defence are saying grazing laws should be scrapped then we have a serious problem

ashjay001:
Awon propagandists! So d VP, Chief of Defence Staff, chief of Naval Staff are not included ba?


No be una fault sha, I if not for d delay, in tackling d herdsmen carnage, d security apparatus of d nation, would av been beyond reproach!

Shitties- decimated

NDA-harrassed n settled out of d creeks

Kidnappers n armed robbers- d police, have been, unrelenting, in their case

Militants n illegal refineries- harassed relentlessly

Herdsmen*

*jury is out

No propaganda the security of the country is in a mess. They don't talk about Fulani Herdsmen killing, no arrest no python dance anywhere tin the North the evil is real.

Kingspin:
No propaganda the security of the country is in a mess. They don't talk about Fulani Herdsmen killing, no arrest no python dance anywhere tin the North the evil is real.

Every tribe, has a region. Can u tell me, where d Python will have to dance to, to locate d herdsmen A nomadic tribe?

The mess, presently, are d herdsmen(which seems to av abated, somewhat) n ds unending suicide stories

ashjay001:
Every tribe, has a region. Can u tell me, where d Python will have to dance to, to locate d herdsmen A nomadic tribe?

The mess, presently, are d herdsmen(which seems to av abated, somewhat) n ds unending suicide stories

At least start with killings in Benue...daily innocent lives are killed by these herdsmen in Benue yet no python dance, crocodile smile or military headquarters been relocated.

You have conscious at least, don't you?

Amba555:
At least start with killings in Benue...daily innocent lives are killed by these herdsmen in Benue yet no python dance, crocodile smile or military headquarters been relocated.

You have conscious at least, don't you?

conscience ba

Bros, d composition of d security council, is wrong! Big time

PMB, is nepostic!

The herdsmen, have been given, to much leeway!

U gave a fake list of members of d security council!

U're a fraud!

I subscribe to, all of above

ashjay001:
conscience ba

Bros, d composition of d security council, is wrong! Big time

PMB, is nepostic!

The herdsmen, have been given, to much leeway!

U gave a fake list of members of d security council!

U're a fraud!

I subscribe to, all of above

Which one come be fake inside again...that I decided to skip just three names to show you the true colour of our present government...you decided to call it fake

Na you get your mouth, you fit use am chop shit.

I just made my point clear, Buhari's government is not as transparent as we think concerning the security of this country... Take it or leave it.

Amba555:
Which one come be fake inside again...that I decided to skip just three names to show you the true colour of our present government...you decided to call it fake

Na you get your mouth, you fit use am chop shit.

I just made my point clear, Buhari's government is not as transparent as we think concerning the security of this country... Take it or leave it.

U're also not transparent, concerning d list u posted! Take it or leave it! Just get ur hypocritical self, out of my mentions!


U're exactly, what's wrong with our nation! Ur own lack of transparency, can be excused, as a ng as its pointing out PMB's lack of transparency

Sanctimonious b.

ashjay001:
U're also not transparent, concerning d list u posted! Take it or leave it! Just get ur hypocritical self, out of my mentions!


U're exactly, what's wrong with our nation! Ur own lack of transparency, can be excused, as a ng as its pointing out PMB's lack of transparency

Sanctimonious b.

I thank God none of your big grammar adds one kobo to my bank account... If you like speak till thy kingdom comes.

That list was just my opinion... You don't like it? Please sir, remain mute...no one puts a gun on your head to comment.

I still stand by my post...everybody is entitled to his or her own opinion.

You don't really have any superior ideology over anyone here...I have been observing your comments lately just decided to have your time today...lol

Amba555:
I thank God none of your big grammar adds one kobo to my bank account... If you like speak till thy kingdom comes.

That list was just my opinion... You don't like it? Please sir, remain mute...no one puts a gun on your head to comment.

I still stand by my post...everybody is entitled to his or her own opinion.

You don't really have any superior ideology over anyone here...I have been observing your comments lately just decided to have your time today...lol

Just empty words.


If u had anything to stand on, I won't hear d end of it!

Same poo u're doing, is what Saraki, is trying to do. Using corruption, to fight corruption! And, expecting to win.

Live n let live

If u had posted d right list, u won't smell me in ur mentions. We're probably, on d same side, criticising that list, not just from a fraudulent position.

He is not the only interested party.

Fact remains that the list is lopsided in the extreme.

Fixating on irrelevances is just diversionary tactics