theenchanter:
https://tradingeconomics.com/nigeria/indicators

https://tradingeconomics.com/kenya/indicators

The first is Nigeria, the second is Kenya. U can check d manufacturing there n compare, don't forget to check PPP there too.

From your source......

Kenya's GDP from manufacturing = KES 104,146,000,000 = $1 billion - per capita = $22
Nigeria's GDP from manufacturing = ₦ 1,595,564,000,000 = $4 billion - per capita = $21

Really? Is that what you've been boasting over all through?

Remember since 2016 your economy has shrunk by 25% while Kenya's economy has grown by 25% meaning currently our manufacturing is definitely over $1 billion while you'rs is definitely below $4 billion. The more you argue the more you expose yourself.

If you recheck your source you'll also realize Kenyans earn more monthly than Nigerians. Perhaps if you read your source well you'd realize you hit yourself on the foot.

Sorry I distrust anything produced by Yemi Kale - you Statistician General. You shows me production or manufacturing data from MNCS. You have Unilver Nigeria, Nestle, and the likes. Dangote is believable.

theenchanter:
u're already known as someone who feign ignorance when d fact doesn't fit ur narrative, I don't have time for people like u cos it's like pouring water in a basket.

nograv:


In addition to not producing any notable figures from your population (as your post shows)

You don't seem to understand economics either

Kenyan GDP per capita

1,455.36 USD (2016) Source WORLD BANK

Nigerian

2,177.99 USD (2016) Source WORLD BANK

So how on earth can you justify your statements about particular sets of workers being paid 3 times more in Kenya? Based on the crude measure of per capita numbers it is more likely that Nigerian professionals would earn more than their Kenyan equivalents. Heck Lagos alone is one of the largest economies in Africa..


Given I work in Banking and Finance, I assure you Kenya is a financial backwater. You have no presence in the major financial centres like London and New York. Nigerian Banks do...

As I said be quiet, rather than speak up and show yourself to be a fool!! I have nothing against you Kenyans but you aren't even in the same League.

I would allow Ghanaians question us, the Ashanti have much to say for themselves. Currently, you Kenyans do not!!

Technical Knockout!

NairobiWalker:


From your source......

Kenya's GDP from manufacturing = KES 104,146,000,000 = $1 billion - per capita = $22
Nigeria's GDP from manufacturing = ₦ 1,595,564,000,000 = $4 billion - per capita = $21

Really? Is that what you've been boasting over all through?

and u failed to check d value of PPP of both countries, I can't trust u to teach my unborn child.

Try to find out the same case for Nigeria! The supposedly giant of Africa!

kikuyu1:


I had smth similar so this confirms my own findings!

theenchanter:
and u failed to check d value of PPP of both countries, I can't trust u to teach my unborn child.

Were we discussing PPP or manufacturing? Like I said before, you guys are experts at changing goals whenever you're cornered.

Jonraid:
How is the wealth spread in Nigeria.What's the percentage of the poor people?Is it increasing or decreasing? Answer me with facts!

inequality in Kenya is higher than Nigeria.... Kiss d truth

Nigeria is so poor it has not been able to conduct census. Census is critical data - base data - for many things - and Nigeria apparently cannot find Naira to do the basic counting of it's people.

Kenya poverty data is from 2016 household survey - I think next year (2019) when we do census - we will get more insight into the economy, poverty, etc.

Jonraid:
Try to find out the same case for Nigeria! The supposedly giant of Africa!

rvp2018:
WB/IMF/CIA/ name them - DO NOT produce national accounts - that is done for Nigeria by your crooked Stat Office Yemi Kale . For a long time Nigeria had not re-based - but WB/IMF could not just manufacture figures for Nigeria. When Nigeria finally re-based they took in the new figures. What IMF/WB massage is really the USD/PPP - but OFFICIAL NATIONAL ACCOUNTS - are accepted as given.

Many MNCS have rushed to invest in Nigeria after buying the cooked Yemi Kale stew but have 1-2yrs lost their shirts - Nigeria style. The latest is VW - who sold about 30 units of VW in NIGERIA the whole of 2017 in a country of 200M with supposedly 500B dollar economy.

Now you're all over. Nigeria are right now dying cross Mediterranean - they are all over the world - because their economy long collapsed. That is not sign of success but failure. Nearly all failed states have huge diaspora. In kenya during the 90s at height of Moi dictatorship - Kenyans move to abroad & certainly were more successfully than Nigerians despite their numbers. We fixed our country and the queues at US embassay long died.

Regarding TECH - Nairobi(Kenya) lead with South Africa - Nigeria only this year "caught" up thanks to 40m dollars for Andela - in other years it either been South Africa or Kenya leading in tech funding. We shall see if Nigeria will repeat it this year - or we are back to the default the last 10yrs - Kenya & South Africa.

Weak.. All countries with large populations export a significant proportion of their population. Please look at the size of Indian and Chinese Diasporas. Would you similarly conclude their economies are near collapse??

In fact Nigeria has a large population reflects the fact that it has been relatively developed for quite sometime. Its the reason why China and Indian also have large populations. Bar Asia and sections of Meso-America, Nigerian regions were unique in Africa for having population densities far in advance of some regions of Europe. For example Yoruba's lived at greater population densities than Slavic groups in Eastern Europe well into the early 20th Century!!!

Also the arguments you are providing are astonishingly pathetic.. Please provide evidence that Nigerian figures are cooked and cite an article from a publicly respected western institution that draws the same conclusion?

Nigerians are savvy, you cannot just go there and expect to pull the wool over their eyes as with other African groups. I recall my uncle telling off a Congolese minister for signing a mining deal with the Chinese, where they invested 10 billion upfront but then received sole mining rights to a mine with up to 80 billion USD of deposits. My uncle made his point very politely, but the Congolese minster either didn't understand or didn't want to..

Our Savviness is the reason why few if any of our rich list positions go to foreigners, we have the intellect and capability to hold our own.. As it stands Kenyans have not shown in any meaningful way the same capacity or prowess..

Beyond questioning Nigerian figures, you havent been able to cite any comparable figures of your own, which speaks volumes. Beyond that your native rich list entrants are from well known corrupt political dynasties.. Moi's and Kenyattas. Give me a break

nograv:


You cant just make up figures

World Bank states GDP at 405.1 billion USD (2016)

IMF states GDP is $492.986 billion (2016)

So please be quiet

AAARRGGHHH! Answer me this,genius:

-why is your UN HDI so low?

-why do we lead you on ALL CONSUMPTION INDICES cars per 1000,sugar/oil/cement per capita?

-why large MNCs burn their fingers targetting your middle class?

-why on average your government pay scales are a third of ours,ours soldiers,cops,teachers and docs get 3x yours?

Its not a quarrel. We covered this earlier with sources. Just explain. Thanks!

NairobiWalker:


Were we discussing PPP or manufacturing? Like I said before, you guys are experts at changing goals whenever you're cornered.

I mentioned PPP cos u chipped in currency conversion. U're already a lost case since u converted without PPP

Prove it.I don't shy away from true stats!

theenchanter:
inequality in Kenya is higher than Nigeria.... Kiss d truth

kikuyu1:


AAARRGGHHH! Answer me this,genius:

-why is your UN HDI so low?

-why do we lead you on ALL CONSUMPTION INDICES cars per 1000,sugar/oil/cement per capita?

-why large MNCs burn their fingers targetting your middle class?

-why on average your government pay scales are a third of ours,ours soldiers,cops,teachers and docs get 3x yours?

Its not a quarrel. We covered this earlier with sources. Just explain. Thanks!

i doubt u lead in all consumption indices, ur UN HDI is even lower with ur population, there's not much diff between Nigeria n Kenya in terms of HDI

Prove that ur government workers receive 3x salaries.

Jonraid:
Prove it.I don't shy away from true stats!

a simple Wikipedia search will answer that.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_income_equality

kikuyu1:


AAARRGGHHH! Answer me this,genius:

-why is your UN HDI so low?

-why do we lead you on ALL CONSUMPTION INDICES cars per 1000,sugar/oil/cement per capita?

-why large MNCs burn their fingers targetting your middle class?

-why on average your government pay scales are a third of ours,ours soldiers,cops,teachers and docs get 3x yours?

Its not a quarrel. We covered this earlier with sources. Just explain. Thanks!

You and the other poster, have no sources.

I have given you firm hard facts from western institutions and you have simply dismissed them as fake news, which is plain idiotic.

Except for your fellow Kenyan fanboys, you boys are done!!

Only a fool doesn't recognise when he has been beaten!!

theenchanter:
and u failed to check d value of PPP of both countries, I can't trust u to teach my unborn child.

BTW, thank you for giving me that link. It's really exposing you. It's really a summary of how Kenya is better than Nigeria in almost everything.

GDP Growth rate
Kenya = 1.3%
Nigeria = -13.4%

Unemployment rate
Kenya = 11%
Nigeria = 18.6%

Inflation rate
Kenya = 3.94%
Nigeria = 11%

Internet Speed
Kenya = 12160 KBps
Nigeria = 3854 KBps

Do you think this is something to be proud off?? Where the brightest people in your country are building already developed Nations.

It's really sad

nograv:


On British Nigerians

According to the Institute for Public Policy Research, Nigerian pupils are among best performing student groups in the United Kingdom. Taking data for only England, a 2013 IPPR survey reported that the proportion of British Nigerian pupils gaining 5 A*–C grades at GCSE (including Maths and English) in 2010–2011 was 21.8 percentage points higher than the England mean of 59.6 per cent. This average was calculated using student data, where available, from various local authorities in England

IPPR data for England

On Nigerian Americans

According to the 2016 American Community Survey, 62% of Nigerian Americans age 25 and higher hold bachelor's degrees (or higher) and 29% hold graduate or professional degrees. Of 75 national origins listed, only Iranians, Russians, and Bulgarians have a higher share with graduate or professional degrees. Census data reveals that Nigerian Americans are the most educated immigrant group in the US, surpassing even East Asians


United States Census Bureau

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2015-10-13/it-isn-t-just-asian-immigrants-who-excel-in-the-u-s-


Nigerian immigrants are especially educated, with almost two-thirds holding college degrees -- a significantly higher percentage even than Chinese or South Korean immigrants.



I would say that is makes us pretty special. What can we say about Kenyans

NairobiWalker:


BTW, thank you for giving me that link. It's really exposing you. It's really a summary of how Kenya is better than Nigeria in almost everything.

GDP Growth rate
Kenya = 1.3%
Nigeria = -13.4%

Unemployment rate
Kenya = 11%
Nigeria = 18.6%

Inflation rate
Kenya = 3.94%
Nigeria = 11%

Internet Speed
Kenya = 12160 KBps
Nigeria = 3854 KBps

it's easy to spot a die hard twit!! I can as well go there n check where Nigeria beats u hands down without any Ray of hope.

U only lead in d second n third cos Nigeria just exited recession n finding its feet, as u can see the GDP growth rate. U only beat Nigeria in internet speed hands down.

Atleast u can't tell me nonsense about manufacturing again, as u now learn something new, I'm grateful for that.

theenchanter:
I mentioned PPP cos u chipped in currency conversion. U're already a lost case since u conveted without PPP

I asked you to show me the value of Nigeria's manufacturing. You showed me the value in Naira and I used the current conversion rates to convert it into dollars. Interestingly you still mentioned PPP even before I converted. Makes me wonder, do you really understand what you're talking about or you just throwing around BS to respond to an argument? Do you even know what PPP is? Since when does one use PPP to convert one currency to another? Are you mad or just stupid?

What's Nigeria's military budget? What's Kenya's? Whats your education budget? Put population into perspective and see who pays more! Fact is we pay better salaries than Nigeria!

theenchanter:
i doubt u lead in all consumption indices, ur UN HDI is even lower with ur population, there's not much diff between Nigeria n Kenya in terms of HDI

Prove that ur government workers receive 3x salaries.

nograv:


You and the other poster, have no sources.

I have given you firm hard facts from western institutions and you have simply dismissed them as fake news, which is plain idiotic.

Except for your fellow Kenyan fanboys, you boys are done!!

Only a fool doesn't recognise when he has been beaten!!

Ok! You insist so I'll be back. No biggie since its been posted before but I'm busy right now.

theenchanter:
it's easy to spot a die hard twit!! I can as well go there n check where Nigeria beats u hands down without any Ray of hope.

U only lead in d second n third cos Nigeria just exited recession n finding its feet, as u can see the GDP growth rate. U only beat Nigeria in internet speed hands down.

Atleast u can't tell me nonsense about manufacturing again, as u now learn something new, I'm grateful for that.

You Nigerians are a funny lot. Even when you're beaten hands down you still boast as if you won. lol. You just proved yourself your manufacturing is shit and not worth mentioning. At least we Kenyans never brag about manufacturing because we know we are not doing good there. Funny thing I always thought Nigeria was doing better than Kenya in manufacturing - you just opened my eyes. I now realize Kenya manufactures more per capita than Nigeria.

kikuyu1:


Rvp20182 and I provided the proof! At most their GDP is 200 to 250 bn$,which btw is very very generous! Their pop is between 150 mn to 180 mn. Their REAL GDP per capita is between 1300 to 1400$!!
We really can't go over this again. The proof is terms of breakdown of their agriculture/manufacturing/tourism/ICT sectors etc etc was done recently. Basically,they hilariously inflate Nollywood and other hard to quantify sectors like mobile banking to unconsciously camouflage their underdeveloped economy.

the good thing about this thread is that it's filled with assumptions n opinions rather than facts, u're free to make assumptions, if u want facts, u can go check world bank and IMF.

I see you are taking refuge is India & China - which were both poor countries but now very PROGRESSIVE.China has moved many of it's poor to prosperity in one generation.India is also doing great...Nigeria just overtook it to have largest number of absolutely poor people (about 80 million of Nigeria).

The Chinese used to arrive aboard good containers in US shores out of the same desperation sending Nigerians scampering all over the world including Kenya. Poor Nigeria are still arriving in leaky boats or body bags in Europe.

Having a large diaspora consisting purely of ECONOMIC REFUGEES - when you're not in war like Syria or Somalis or some religious or political persecution - is indication that Nigerian economic long COLLAPSED.

Just learn to face the truth. Trying to find refuge in history or romanticize economic refugees like you won't help you.

Nigeria stats are cooked. I wish you could read backward where we've debunked it. You can also use your Bloomerg terminal to read about stories of MNCS that rushed to Nigeria only to find POVERTY/COLLAPSED INFRASTRUCTURE/KIDNAPPING. If you want to call that savvy then you're clearly high on drugs.

nograv:


Weak.. All countries with large populations export a significant proportion of their population. Please look at the size of Indian and Chinese Diasporas. Would you similarly conclude their economies are near collapse??

In fact Nigeria has a large population reflects the fact that it has been relatively developed for quite sometime. Its the reason why China and Indian also have large populations. Bar Asia and sections of Meso-America, Nigerian regions were unique in Africa for having population densities far in advance of some regions of Europe. For example Yoruba's lived at greater population densities than Slavic groups in Eastern Europe well into the early 20th Century!!!

Also the arguments you are providing are astonishingly pathetic.. Please provide evidence that Nigerian figures are cooked and cite an article from a publicly respected western institution that draws the same conclusion?

Nigerians are savvy, you cannot just go there and expect to pull the wool over their eyes as with other African groups. I recall my uncle telling off a Congolese minister for signing a mining deal with the Chinese, where they invested 10 billion upfront but then received sole mining rights to a mine with up to 80 billion USD of deposits. My uncle made his point very politely, but the Congolese minster either didn't understand or didn't want to..

Our Savviness is the reason why few if any of our rich list positions go to foreigners, we have the intellect and capability to hold our own.. As it stands Kenyans have not shown in any meaningful way the same capacity or prowess..

Beyond questioning Nigerian figures, you havent been able to cite any comparable figures of your own, which speaks volumes. Beyond that your native rich list entrants are from well known corrupt political dynasties.. Moi's and Kenyattas. Give me a break

NairobiWalker:


You Nigerians are a funny lot. Even when you're beaten hands down you still boast as if you won. lol. You just proved yourself your manufacturing is shit and not worth mentioning. At least we Kenyans never brag about manufacturing because we know we are not doing good there. Funny thing I always thought Nigeria was doing better than Kenya in manufacturing - you just opened my eyes. I now realize Kenya manufactures more per capita than Nigeria.

what d Bleep is manufacturing per capita?? u Kenyans are jokes.

rvp2018:
I see you are taking refuge is India & China - which were both poor countries but now very PROGRESSIVE.China has moved many of it's poor to prosperity in one generation.India is also doing great...Nigeria just overtook it to have largest number of absolutely poor people (about 80 million of Nigeria).

The Chinese used to arrive aboard good containers in US shores out of the same desperation sending Nigerians scampering all over the world including Kenya. Poor Nigeria are still arriving in leaky boats or body bags in Europe.

Having a large diaspora consisting purely of ECONOMIC REFUGEES - when you're not in war like Syria or Somalis or some religious or political persecution - is indication that Nigerian economic long COLLAPSED.

Just learn to face the truth. Trying to find refuge in history or romanticize economic refugees like you won't help you.

Nigeria stats are cooked. I wish you could read backward where we've debunked it. You can also use your Bloomerg terminal to read about stories of MNCS that rushed to Nigeria only to find POVERTY/COLLAPSE INFRASTRUCTURE/KIDNAPPING. If you want to call that savvy then you're clearly high on drugs.

E pain am

theenchanter:
what d Bleep is manufacturing per capita?? u Kenyans are jokes.

Thank you for not continuing with your PPP bullshit. I see you've learnt now.

Manufacturing per capita is simply the value of manufacturing in a country divided by the total population.

BTW, please desist making those boastful manufacturing comments you've been making here. Your manufacturing is useless - just like Kenya's. Sit down and be humble. Real manufacturing giants are laughing at you now.

rvp2018:


Nigeria stats are cooked. I wish you could read backward where we've debunked it. You can also use your Bloomerg terminal to read about stories of MNCS that rushed to Nigeria only to find POVERTY/COLLAPSED INFRASTRUCTURE/KIDNAPPING. If you want to call that savvy then you're clearly high on drugs

Nigeria still lead Africa in diasporan remittance, still one of the leader in FDI, far beyond what Kenyans can comprehend.

theenchanter:
I mentioned PPP cos u chipped in currency conversion. U're already a lost case since u converted without PPP

You're just wasting your time on that dolo i swear.

Our education's budget is 4 billion plus US dollars. Nigeria's education budget stands at a meager 1.6 billion US dollars.


https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2018/04/27/expenditure-on-education-to-hit-a-record-sh-415-billion-report_c1750408


http://petrobarometer.thecable.ng/2018/04/11/budgit-demands-details-n1-4tn-annual-subsidy/



This is so embarrassing for Nigeria!

nograv:


You and the other poster, have no sources.

I have given you firm hard facts from western institutions and you have simply dismissed them as fake news, which is plain idiotic.

Except for your fellow Kenyan fanboys, you boys are done!!

Only a fool doesn't recognise when he has been beaten!!

exactely

theenchanter:
what d Bleep is manufacturing per capita?? u Kenyans are jokes.

Exactely