enilove:


I pity you. Can't you see the end of Ahmed Dedat? He was paralysed and tormented for more than 5 years . Go and watch the video , maybe it will change you.

Go and pray to God to reveal who Muhammad was and who Jesus is to you b4 it gets too late for you.

Did he die like a criminal nailed to the cross? Am asking you?! DO YOU GET MY POINT?! And mind you Ahmed Dedat despite been paralysed he never for one second not say his five daily prayers. He used his eyes to say Salat. If the end of a man is what defines how he lived, then that guy nailed and sweating on the cross fits your perception as to your judgement of Ahmed Dedat. Enilove you dig? Does the shouts from his lips "MY GOD, WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME" not sound like one being tormented and the very reason GOD WAS PRAYING TO HIMSELF an irony after having sweated furiously ?! Even John the Baptist the fore runner of Christ, his head was chopped off that was his end. So, what does it sum up to?! Eyah, una no dey REASON that is una problem.

WORDWORLD:
Did he died like a criminal nail to the cross? Am asking you?!

No. But Jesus was , for you and for me.

enilove:


No. But Jesus was , for you and for me.

I laugh in TONGUES. Have a great day. Am done.

WORDWORLD:

I laugh in TONGUES. Have a great day. Am done.

I wish you the same.

enilove:


The pain and sufferings of Jesus cannot be compared with that of Dedat's . Infact, Dedat did not go through any pain when compared with that of Jesus. He was also physically tormented and abandoned but Dedat was not abandoned , so you are right.

Just want to repeat this , Dedat's death was boasted of by WORLDWORLD and that promoted me to remind him of what he went through. I did not generalised it. And that is clear from what I have posted so far on this issue. There are many wicked souls who died peacefully but their judgements is awaiting them in hell.

Back to death of Jesus , he suffered all that on the cross for you and me . He was made a sinner for us so as not to face the punishment of eternal torments in hell.

Without Jesus , you cannot escape hell, that is the truth.

1 Corinthians 1:18 KJV
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

I was a Muslim and now a christian . I can see or tell the differences and the truth that Islam cannot not save , it is a satanic religion.
This may be hard for you to believe , that is why you need prayers.

Wow , amazing! May the Lord give you the grace to finish the race against all odds and may He cause his countenance to shine upon you and your ways in Jesus name, Amen.

enilove:


No. But Jesus was , for you and for me.

Muslims can never be able to wrap their heads around the mystery of the death and resurrection of Jesus.

They never would be able to understand why such a sinless soul which even their Quran hailed would have the sins of the world imputed upon him.

It would forever remain a mystery to them that are yet in darkness.

Butterflyleo:


Wow , amazing! May the Lord give you the grace to finish the race against all odds and may He cause his countenance to shine upon you and your ways in Jesus name, Amen.

Amen . I wish the same , in Jesus' name.

enilove:


The pain and sufferings of Jesus cannot be compared with that of Dedat's . Infact, Dedat did not go through any pain when compared with that of Jesus. He was also physically tormented and abandoned but Dedat was not abandoned , so you are right.

You switched mouth really quick when your Jesus is involved

Okay, Deedat didn't suffer. Case closed

Maamin:


Lol, Empiree it's been a while, I guess you are on vacation too. Trust me these days I don't engage in long argument because it's futile. I tell it as it is and leave you to ponder on it.

I Hope you find conviction in the light of christ.

Shalom!

Well am always around. How are you?

Empiree:
You switched mouth really quick when your Jesus is involved

Okay, Deedat didn't suffer. Case closed

I don't lie to prove my points , I have the fear of in me.

WHAT I SAID WAS , HE DID NOT SUFFER WHEN COMPARED WITH THE SUFFERINGS OF JESUS.

melody91:
yes ..and I have questions for you as well..how long have you been on nairaland? do you know it wasn't that way right from time? and finally what led to it's creation?

I have to join this thread because of this your comment not about the OP.

Firstly, I noticed that you're just a year older on Nairaland yet you refused to agree with those posts put forth by @butterflyleo which is too bad for a seeker of truth.

Secondly, I've been around since 2012 after being a guest for months when there was no oath on Islamic section and I do have a good discussion with many Muslim friends then.

Thirdly, you asked "do you know it wasn't that way right from time? and finally what led to it's creation?"

Yes, you're right! Seun himself has cleared air about this shortly after the oath was put on Islam section (just that I can't do search to get the thread).

It was as a result of life threatening! I could remember vividly then that this made some people left religion section even Nairaland till date.

Lastly, What was the creation?
During normal religion section everybody bashes each other Christians, Atheists, Muslims & Pagans (though this is not about individual but I just used affiliated names). The problem started, when some Muslims begin to complain about how their religion is being abused whereas they also do bash other religions.

Seun gave them a separate section but the funny part of it is that in their own section, they are still creating thread related to Jesus or using science to proof Islam which then forced Christian to go to their section and defend their faith likewise Atheists to proof their scientific argument wrong about Islam.

Moreover, having separate section doesn't prevent some Muslims to come to religion section to air their opinion which sometimes leads to heated argument.

Yet, this doesn't rest well with some Muslims who still think their religion is being bashed and abused. It then leads to various ban by their mod as well as oath sanction.

Even after the oath, some people in Islam section will still create different topic about Christianity which leads some Christians to create another account and use it to accept the oath so that they can comment on their thread. This also applies to Atheists!

Udasto knows this truth but I wonder why he gave an account that Muslims as the only victim of it.

My point is this, everyone in religion section do bash themselves irrespective of argument that rose up BUT only Muslims personalised it to mean ISLAM ONLY.

Emusan:


I have to join this thread because of this your comment not about the OP.

Firstly, I noticed that you're just a year older on Nairaland yet you refused to agree with those posts put forth by @butterflyleo which is too bad for a seeker of truth.

Secondly, I've been around since 2012 after being a guest for months when there was no oath on Islamic section and I do have a good discussion with many Muslim friends then.

Thirdly, you asked "do you know it wasn't that way right from time? and finally what led to it's creation?"

Yes, you're right! Seun himself has cleared air about this shortly after the oath was put on Islam section (just that I can't do search to get the thread).

It was as a result of life threatening! I could remember vividly then that this made some people left religion section even Nairaland till date.

Lastly, What was the creation?
During normal religion section everybody bashes each other Christians, Atheists, Muslims & Pagans (though this is not about individual but I just used affiliated names). The problem started, when some Muslims begin to complain about how their religion is being abused whereas they also do bash other religions.

Seun gave them a separate section but the funny part of it is that in their own section, they are still creating thread related to Jesus or using science to proof Islam which then forced Christian to go to their section and defend their faith likewise Atheists to proof their scientific argument wrong about Islam.

Moreover, having separate section doesn't prevent some Muslims to come to religion section to air their opinion which sometimes leads to heated argument.

Yet, this doesn't rest well with some Muslims who still think their religion is being bashed and abused. It then leads to various ban by their mod as well as oath sanction.

Even after the oath, some people in Islam section will still create different topic about Christianity which leads some Christians to create another account and use it to accept the oath so that they can comment on their thread. This also applies to Atheists!

Udasto knows this truth but I wonder why he gave an account that Muslims as the only victim of it.

My point is this, everyone in religion section do bash themselves irrespective of argument that rose up BUT only Muslims personalised it to mean ISLAM ONLY.

thank you Sir ,I don't have problem with Christians or whoever and I understand some Muslims are guilty as well..my problem with most of the Christians around here is generalizing.
if a Muslim do anything wrong ,they blame all Muslims for it...let's use my thread as an example ,other innocent Muslims are already taking blame for it which is not the same for Christians..
and I've been around since 2007..I have other accounts

Truthsbitter:

. And yet you have the guts to ask a christian on this thread to leave Muslim out of her discussions and to that you added the word hypocrite to her moniker.

what a shame..

don't understand you,are you sure you're not mixing up threads already?

Talking about intolerance.. At least, u don't see us beheading, stoning and in general killing anoda person because someone said something negative about Jesus or the Bible. But on the flip side, u know the rest.

We serve a living God, so we take our battles, fights to HIM. So u don't see us fighting for him.

When Jesus died, he said IT IS FINISHED. Meaning he eliminated the debt, owed by mankind.

I wanted to ask what Prophet Mohammed last words were, but let me leave dat one cos that's not why I quoted you.

NoShitTaker:
@op. Most Nairaland Christians are nothing but stupid hypocrites who fight for Jesus day and night online even they say Jesus shouldn't be fought for.

Their level of intolerance is manifold compare to Muslims. You will know this with their preaching in a public bus while Muslims patiently listen without making troubles. Imagine what would happen if Muslims begin to preach the same way.

Their actions are absolutely contrary to that Jesus. I wonder if jesus would tow their path if he were a Nairalander.

sorextee:
Talking about intolerance.. At least, u don't see us beheading, stoning and in general killing anoda person because someone said something negative about Jesus or the Bible. But on the flip side, u know the rest.

We serve a living God, so we take our battles, fights to HIM. So u don't see us fighting for him.

When Jesus died, he said IT IS FINISHED. Meaning he eliminated the debt, owed by mankind.

I wanted to ask what Prophet Mohammed last words were, but let me leave dat one cos that's not why I quoted you.

Are u @op?

IGNORED

Empiree:
You switched mouth really quick when your Jesus is involved

Okay, Deedat didn't suffer. Case closed

As in 360 degrees �

enilove:


I don't lie to prove my points , I have the fear of in me.

WHAT I SAID WAS , HE DID NOT SUFFER WHEN COMPARED WITH THE SUFFERINGS OF JESUS.

you still perambulate. Your point initially was sheikh Ahmad Deedat (ra) was terribly pained and suffered because Islam he practiced was wrong. Now you are shifting goal post.

You have said he suffered. I don't know how you gonna get out of this mess easily. Next time don't throw stone knowing too well you live in a glass house.

Fact is your Jesus suffered. And according to your initial logic, suffering denotes negativity and Hell.

Empiree:
you still perambulate. Your point initially was sheikh Ahmad Deedat (ra) was terribly pained and suffered because Islam he practiced was wrong. Now you are shifting goal post.

You have said he suffered. I don't know how you gonna get out of this mess easily. Next time don't throw stone knowing too well you live in a glass house.

Fact is your Jesus suffered. And according to your initial logic, suffering denotes negativity and Hell.

Your problem is that you argue blindly.

Did I deny that Ahmad Dedat did not suffer?

You said Jesus suffered which I agreed to , but the suffering of Jesus was greater than that of Dedat 100 times.

Does that now mean Dedat did not suffer ? The degree of suffering differs in life , isn't it ?

Even a 7 years old would understand my point , so stop
posting unless you have a reasonable thing to say.

NoShitTaker:
@op. Most Nairaland Christians are nothing but stupid hypocrites who fight for Jesus day and night online even they say Jesus shouldn't be fought for.

Their level of intolerance is manifold compare to Muslims. You will know this with their preaching in a public bus while Muslims patiently listen without making troubles. Imagine what would happen if Muslims begin to preach the same way.

Their actions are absolutely contrary to that Jesus. I wonder if jesus would tow their path if he were a Nairalander.

If Muslims begin to preach in public vehicles or move from door to door, it would be described as Islamisation.

enilove:


Your problem is that you argue blindly.

Did I deny that Ahmad Dedat did not suffer?

You said Jesus suffered which I agreed to , but the suffering of Jesus was greater than that of Dedat 100 times.

Does that now mean Dedat did not suffer ? The degree of suffering differs in life , isn't it ?

Even a 7 years old would understand my point , so stop
posting unless you have a reasonable thing to say.

you don't get it, do you?. Your initial thought was that suffering of Ahmad Deedat (ra) meant he was wrong.

enilove:


I pity you. Can't you see the end of Ahmed Dedat? He was paralysed and tormented for more than 5 years . Go and watch the video , maybe it will change you.

Go and pray to God to reveal who Muhammad was and who Jesus is to you b4 it gets too late for you.

Now you are trying to say suffering of your Jesus was good thing. You are incredible. Fact remains that if your Jesus suffering is 100 times that of Ahmad Deedat, then, your Jesus is more wrong. Simple.


Then you go on to say:

enilove:

you could see from the video of Dedat on the sick bed that he was GREATLY TROUBLED AND TORMENTED . HE WAS CRYING WITH FEAR ON HIS FACE.

If however you are now claiming that suffering of Jesus was something positive, then, what's the point of saying Ahmad Deedat (ra) was wrong because he suffered and tormented?.


Bottomline is, suffering and death are test and trial. They don't necessarily denote positive or negative for whatever happens in their next life.

Empiree:
you don't get it, do you?. Your initial thought was that suffering of Ahmad Deedat (ra) meant he was wrong.



Now you are trying to say suffering of your Jesus was good thing. You are incredible. Fact remains that if your Jesus suffering is 100 times that of Ahmad Deedat, then, your Jesus is more wrong. Simple.

Then you go on to say:

If however you are now claiming that suffering of Jesus was something positive, then, what's the point of saying Ahmad Deedat (ra) was wrong because he suffered and tormented?.

Bottomline is, suffering and death are test and trial. They don't necessarily denote positive or negative for whatever happens in their next life.

Since you knew this , why didn't you tell that to @ WORLD WORLD ? Below is part of his statements :

"Udatso, I believe that those missionaries who didn't eventually embrace Islam, who used to make Ahmed Dedat cry furiously by their taunting of ISLAM when he was so young died REGRETING not minding their business as it is on NAIRALAND.
"

It was his above statement that made me to remind him of how Dedat died too.

You should have told him as well that sufferings and death are tests and trials which do not necessarily determines where the person would spend eternity .

enilove:


Since you knew this , why didn't you tell that to @ WORLD WORLD ? Below is part of his statements :

"Udatso, I believe that those missionaries who didn't eventually embrace Islam, who used to make Ahmed Dedat cry furiously by their taunting of ISLAM when he was so young died REGRETING not minding their business as it is on NAIRALAND.
"

It was his above statement that made me to remind him of how Dedat died too.

You should have told him as well that sufferings and death are tests and trials which do not necessarily determines where the person would spend eternity .

first all, you didn't quote him. Second, his statement doesn't relate. What you alleged that he said is backed by Islamic text, that some people will regret rejecting the truth of Islam. This is what Yoruba said in their famous statement: "may we not regret rejecting the truth after death".

Anyways, you should quote him for clarification..

Empiree:
first all, you didn't quote him. Second, his statement doesn't relate. What you alleged that he said is backed by Islamic text, that some people will regret rejecting the truth of Islam. This is what Yoruba said in their famous statement: "may we not regret rejecting the truth after death".

Anyways, you should quote him for clarification..

It was him I quoted and you can find this on page 2 of this thread.

It was not an allegation , it was what he actually posted,as you can see from his post.

You said what WORLDWORLD posted is backed up by Islamic text , so also the Bible says that anyone who refuses to accept Jesus Christ will regret and end in hell.

All the same , let's pray so that the devil will not laugh at us at last.

Thanks.

melody91:
what's this one saying?

I don't expect someone without reasoning to understand my post.

Truthsbitter:

I don't expect someone without reasoning to understand my post.

You don't expect everyone to be vulnerable to stupidity, clearly I'm immune to foolishness why I don't understand the dumb post.

enilove:


It was him I quoted and you can find this on page 2 of this thread.

It was not an allegation , it was what he actually posted,as you can see from his post.

You said what WORLDWORLD posted is backed up by Islamic text , so also the Bible says that anyone who refuses to accept Jesus Christ will regret and end in hell.

All the same , let's pray so that the devil will not laugh at us at last.

Thanks.

quote like this one so that I can click on his moniker. Anyways, it is irrelevant now since you agree your bible claims the same.

Empiree:
Well am always around. How are you?

I'm doing great. Have not been seeing you that's why or it was because of the Ramadan?

Maamin:


I'm doing great. Have not been seeing you that's why or it was because of the Ramadan?

lool, I was around. Maybe bcus i didn't step out of our crib

Hakeem12:
Both of you are actually delusional. Both Christians and Muslims. Both of you people are hypocrites. Each claim his own path is the only way and those that don't subscribe to it are going to hell. And if reverse were the case, if those of you born into Christian homes were born into Muslim homes and those born into Muslim homes were born in Christian homes, you guys would still defend your religion and claim it's the only path to your imaginary heaven.

you are in the wrong thread

Empiree:
lool, I was around. Maybe bcus i didn't step out of our crib

OK! good for you.